From kevin.phair at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 17:55:24 2010
From: kevin.phair at gmail.com (Kevin Phair)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 08:55:24 +0100
Subject: [pups] 2 x PDP-11 MicroVAX II with Terminal and keyboard on offer
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5W9zyXriJ73aaMoSPP1BGqO5gBvCui4kYopZs@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A number of years ago I diverted a couple of PDP-11 systems which were
on their way to a skip. I believe they were in working condition and I
had always intended to clean them up and get them set up and running
again to see what it was all about. This never happened and I no
longer have the space to store them. As a result I'm offering them to
anyone who's willing to pay the shipping. They are located in Dublin,
Ireland.

There is some mild corrosion on some of the metal chassis and the
paint on the VDU casings is peeling off in place but overall I think
they will clean up well.

I think they are the MicroVAX II model and the consist of the PDP-11
chassis unit with a Ramstar T-1500 VDU and keyboard. Each one also has
a power distrubution box and they are configured for 120VAC operation.
There are also power cables (amongst others). I don't know what boards
are installed in them, but they did originally have tape drives
connected and were used to drive an inkjet printing system, so I
expect there is at least a tape controller and serial/parallel
interface in each of them.

Photos of everything are up on
http://sites.google.com/site/kevinphair/old-electronic-equipment/PDP-11
but unfortunately the cabinet units are no longer available.

If anyone is interested in these please get in touch soon as I won't
be able to keep them for much longer. If there's no interest in the
complete units, I'd also be happy to consider donating parts from them
to help with restorations or upgrade projects. I'm also open to
putting them in storage if someone wants to arrange collection at a
later date and is willing to split the storage costs.

-- 
Regards,

Kevin Phair


From carl.lowenstein at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 12:40:57 2010
From: carl.lowenstein at gmail.com (Carl Lowenstein)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:40:57 -0700
Subject: [pups] 2 x PDP-11 MicroVAX II with Terminal and keyboard on
	offer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5W9zyXriJ73aaMoSPP1BGqO5gBvCui4kYopZs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik5W9zyXriJ73aaMoSPP1BGqO5gBvCui4kYopZs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEnUDhZikD9Ddxyf62H4w6M3WIFJkGwYhNxCJK@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Kevin Phair <kevin.phair at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A number of years ago I diverted a couple of PDP-11 systems which were
> on their way to a skip. I believe they were in working condition and I
> had always intended to clean them up and get them set up and running
> again to see what it was all about. This never happened and I no
> longer have the space to store them. As a result I'm offering them to
> anyone who's willing to pay the shipping. They are located in Dublin,
> Ireland.
>
> There is some mild corrosion on some of the metal chassis and the
> paint on the VDU casings is peeling off in place but overall I think
> they will clean up well.
>
> I think they are the MicroVAX II model and the consist of the PDP-11
> chassis unit with a Ramstar T-1500 VDU and keyboard. Each one also has
> a power distrubution box and they are configured for 120VAC operation.
> There are also power cables (amongst others). I don't know what boards
> are installed in them, but they did originally have tape drives
> connected and were used to drive an inkjet printing system, so I
> expect there is at least a tape controller and serial/parallel
> interface in each of them.
>
> Photos of everything are up on
> http://sites.google.com/site/kevinphair/old-electronic-equipment/PDP-11
> but unfortunately the cabinet units are no longer available.

Of course a PDP-11 is not a MicroVAX, and vice versa.

Looking at the pictures, the only thing really worth saving would be
the chassis shown with a keyboard next to it.  One can see a floppy
disk drive, and a hole where a hard disk drive probably was once.  If
there is a nameplate on the front, it is not readable in the picture.
A picture of the rear panel would help in further identification, as
well as a reading of any nameplate data on the rear panel.

    carl
-- 
    carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
                                                 clowenstein at ucsd.edu


From kevin.phair at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 19:41:35 2010
From: kevin.phair at gmail.com (Kevin Phair)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:41:35 +0100
Subject: [pups] PUPS Digest, Vol 40, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1278640801.2218.pups@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <mailman.1.1278640801.2218.pups@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5MjIoWtVHfQBurgTPqdGMAByhXhniorOzvL2O@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A big thanks to all who replied to my request for takers for the old
PDP-11 systems I have. I'm afraid I haven't been able to respond to
everyone yet as there's been a lot going on but I appreciate the
enlightenment on some of the aspects of the machines.

To be honest I really know very little about the PDP-11 and I had
hoped to learn more though these, so my MicroVAX II was a best guess
based on trying to match the hardware up to images on the web.

I will try and get back to all who expressed an interest with more
detailed information on the configuration and better pictures.

> Of course a PDP-11 is not a MicroVAX, and vice versa.
>
> Looking at the pictures, the only thing really worth saving would be
> the chassis shown with a keyboard next to it.  One can see a floppy
> disk drive, and a hole where a hard disk drive probably was once.  If
> there is a nameplate on the front, it is not readable in the picture.
> A picture of the rear panel would help in further identification, as
> well as a reading of any nameplate data on the rear panel.

-- 
Regards,

Kevin Phair


From fred.van.kempen at microwalt.nl  Mon Jul 12 20:05:54 2010
From: fred.van.kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:05:54 +0200
Subject: [pups] [Available NL] Several PDP-11's (really! ;
	-) and VAXen available!
References: <mailman.1.1278640801.2218.pups@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<AANLkTin5MjIoWtVHfQBurgTPqdGMAByhXhniorOzvL2O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D248664197EFB46BFC5B32E04A9D450040987@mw01.mwcorp.lan>

All,

I have to seriousy shrink the collection, and so will be parting
with with at least:

- two 11/34's 
- one 11/94
- one 11/84
- up to 6 RL02's
- up to 20 (Micro)VAXen (3100 series) plus storage units
- up to 10 VAX-4000 series units (yes, DSSI disks included ;-)

Also available is a BIG load of StorageWorks (BA35x series) units,
with disks, a load of DEC network gear, and, if I dive into it, I
should also have some spare DEC boot servers (MOP loaders) ..

Small stuff could be shipped, the heavy stuff wont be, as carriers
usually WILL break em..

Cheers,

Fred


From dgunix at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 23:51:31 2010
From: dgunix at gmail.com (DG UX)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:51:31 +0300
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUuDFmaFxqT9a6BvlfRIAmEXlgrTTq9FMPdFhm@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Got an old PentiumPro AViiON DG/UX machine.
I was just wodering if anyone happens to have an old, unused machine like
that.
If so, please reply with details, as well as geographic location.
All shipping costs will be payed by me.
A cash reward is offered, if you are interested.

Thanks,
A'
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From asbesto at freaknet.org  Sat Jul 10 19:32:11 2010
From: asbesto at freaknet.org (asbesto)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:32:11 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimUuDFmaFxqT9a6BvlfRIAmEXlgrTTq9FMPdFhm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimUuDFmaFxqT9a6BvlfRIAmEXlgrTTq9FMPdFhm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100710093210.GA28765@freaknet.org>

Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 04:51:31PM +0300, DG UX wrote:

> Got an old PentiumPro AViiON DG/UX machine.
> I was just wodering if anyone happens to have an old, unused machine like
> that.
> If so, please reply with details, as well as geographic location.
> All shipping costs will be payed by me.
> A cash reward is offered, if you are interested.

We have a DG Aviion machine but is not working, is part of our
computer museum. Also, our machine is not a PentiumPro but a
very esoteric one, using a motorila 68020 processor (if I
remember well, maybe I'm wrong)

If I understand, can you ship your machine, for example, to our
computer museum? :) 

Ah, no, You want a similar machine! :)

p.s. a copy of the operating system or a dump of the DISK/OS
will be appreciated, is very important to save this kind of
software, very hard to found today.


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From aek at bitsavers.org  Sun Jul 11 10:26:38 2010
From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:26:38 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
In-Reply-To: <20100710093210.GA28765@freaknet.org>
References: <AANLkTimUuDFmaFxqT9a6BvlfRIAmEXlgrTTq9FMPdFhm@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100710093210.GA28765@freaknet.org>
Message-ID: <4C390FBE.1070209@bitsavers.org>

On 7/10/10 2:32 AM, asbesto wrote:
> using a motorila 68020 processor (if I
> remember well, maybe I'm wrong)
>

88100 or 88110, depending on model.



From lm at bitmover.com  Sun Jul 11 12:44:50 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:44:50 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
In-Reply-To: <4C390FBE.1070209@bitsavers.org>
References: <AANLkTimUuDFmaFxqT9a6BvlfRIAmEXlgrTTq9FMPdFhm@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100710093210.GA28765@freaknet.org>
	<4C390FBE.1070209@bitsavers.org>
Message-ID: <20100711024450.GB5588@bitmover.com>

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 05:26:38PM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
> On 7/10/10 2:32 AM, asbesto wrote:
>> using a motorila 68020 processor (if I
>> remember well, maybe I'm wrong)
>>
>
> 88100 or 88110, depending on model.

Wow.  Been a long time since I've thought about that CPU.  Never wrote
any assembler for it but paged through the manuals.   My memories are 
vague but what I remember was sort of feeling like "what's the point?".

Quite a different feeling from when I hit the National 32016 and 32032 
manuals.  That was a chip I so wanted to love (and did, until I used
one, pretty buggy).  But a really sweet chip.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitkeeper.com


From neozeed at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 14:43:17 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:43:17 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
In-Reply-To: <20100711024450.GB5588@bitmover.com>
References: <AANLkTimUuDFmaFxqT9a6BvlfRIAmEXlgrTTq9FMPdFhm@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100710093210.GA28765@freaknet.org>
	<4C390FBE.1070209@bitsavers.org>
	<20100711024450.GB5588@bitmover.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPpBkFeWwAQcQu55mgG5Er1E5FWPo8RYfD-HRZ@mail.gmail.com>

If I'm not mistaken, it's not until recently the OpenBSD people fought
enough bugs in the GCC for the 88100 to actually make it 'usable'....

I guess that falls in the too little too late category.

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Larry McVoy <lm at bitmover.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 05:26:38PM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
> > On 7/10/10 2:32 AM, asbesto wrote:
> >> using a motorila 68020 processor (if I
> >> remember well, maybe I'm wrong)
> >>
> >
> > 88100 or 88110, depending on model.
>
> Wow.  Been a long time since I've thought about that CPU.  Never wrote
> any assembler for it but paged through the manuals.   My memories are
> vague but what I remember was sort of feeling like "what's the point?".
>
> Quite a different feeling from when I hit the National 32016 and 32032
> manuals.  That was a chip I so wanted to love (and did, until I used
> one, pretty buggy).  But a really sweet chip.
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com
> http://www.bitkeeper.com
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From norman at oclsc.org  Sun Jul 11 23:50:34 2010
From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:50:34 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
Message-ID: <1278856249.10186.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org>

asbesto at freaknet.org:

  p.s. a copy of the operating system or a dump of the DISK/OS
  will be appreciated, is very important to save this kind of
  software, very hard to found today.

[...]

  [ *I DELETE* EMAIL > 100K, ATTACHMENTS, HTML, M$-WORD DOC and SPAM ]

=======

I guess if I had a copy it would be unwise to e-mail it to you.

(I dislike using e-mail as a large-file-transfer service myself,
but I communicate with enough non-geeks that I consider the
battle lost.)

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON


From asbesto at freaknet.org  Tue Jul 13 00:51:13 2010
From: asbesto at freaknet.org (asbesto)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:51:13 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
In-Reply-To: <1278856249.10186.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org>
References: <1278856249.10186.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org>
Message-ID: <20100712145113.GC3520@freaknet.org>

Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:50:34AM -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:

>   will be appreciated, is very important to save this kind of
>   software, very hard to found today.
>   [ *I DELETE* EMAIL > 100K, ATTACHMENTS, HTML, M$-WORD DOC and SPAM ]
> I guess if I had a copy it would be unwise to e-mail it to you.
> (I dislike using e-mail as a large-file-transfer service myself,
> but I communicate with enough non-geeks that I consider the
> battle lost.)

:D

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From john_finigan at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 13:37:09 2010
From: john_finigan at yahoo.com (John Finigan)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:37:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
Message-ID: <147967.62317.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Speaking of DG/UX, anybody know where to find this article?

M. H. Kelley.  A look at the DG/UX file system.
Technical Report 3, Data General Corporation, 1990

I have a feeling DG was very early with journaling / crash resistant
filesystem tech but I've seen almost no detailed info, just a couple of 
lines in a brochure.


John Finigan


From lm at bitmover.com  Tue Jul 13 13:51:03 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:51:03 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
In-Reply-To: <147967.62317.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <147967.62317.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100713035103.GB20260@bitmover.com>

I went to school with a guy that went to Data General, I could try
and track him down.

Back in that time I was quite active in file system work for Sun and
I looked at what other people were doing (I was also teaching the 
grad course in operating systems at Stanford so I was twice as
motivated to look).  I don't recall hearing about any significant
FS work at DG but I may have missed it.

Anyway, I probably can track it down if you really want it.  Be happy 
to reconnect with him.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:37:09PM -0700, John Finigan wrote:
> Speaking of DG/UX, anybody know where to find this article?
> 
> M. H. Kelley.  A look at the DG/UX file system.
> Technical Report 3, Data General Corporation, 1990
> 
> I have a feeling DG was very early with journaling / crash resistant
> filesystem tech but I've seen almost no detailed info, just a couple of 
> lines in a brochure.
> 
> 
> John Finigan
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

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From BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu  Tue Jul 13 16:52:41 2010
From: BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu (Benjamin Huntsman)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:52:41 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
References: <147967.62317.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20100713035103.GB20260@bitmover.com>
Message-ID: <621112A569DAE948AD25CCDCF1C07533299969@dolly.ntdom.cupdx>

I'd be interested to see what becomes of all this too.

Anyone here aware of the Progress database (now called OpenEdge)?
I've got a few copies of v6 for DG/UX, on both architectures...


-----Original Message-----
From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org on behalf of Larry McVoy
Sent: Mon 7/12/2010 8:51 PM
To: John Finigan
Cc: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] DG/UX Machine. $$ reward
 
I went to school with a guy that went to Data General, I could try
and track him down.

Back in that time I was quite active in file system work for Sun and
I looked at what other people were doing (I was also teaching the 
grad course in operating systems at Stanford so I was twice as
motivated to look).  I don't recall hearing about any significant
FS work at DG but I may have missed it.

Anyway, I probably can track it down if you really want it.  Be happy 
to reconnect with him.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:37:09PM -0700, John Finigan wrote:
> Speaking of DG/UX, anybody know where to find this article?
> 
> M. H. Kelley.  A look at the DG/UX file system.
> Technical Report 3, Data General Corporation, 1990
> 
> I have a feeling DG was very early with journaling / crash resistant
> filesystem tech but I've seen almost no detailed info, just a couple of 
> lines in a brochure.
> 
> 
> John Finigan
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

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