From macbiesz at optonline.net  Tue Jun  1 02:58:54 2004
From: macbiesz at optonline.net (Maciek Bieszczad)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:58:54 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Sprite
In-Reply-To: <200405301319.i4UDJdOf004920@skeeve.com>
Message-ID: <000001c44730$8e896db0$02fea8c0@DELL>

It's possible that Sprite could run on the mips64emul DECstation
emulator (Ultrix runs well enough to start DECwindows):

http://www.mdstud.chalmers.se/~md1gavan/mips64emul/index.html

> > There where several ports: Sun3, Sun4 / SPARC, DECstation, SPUR,
Sequent
> > Symmetry at least. Even mixed architecture clusters where supported.
See
> > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/projects/sprite/retrospective.html


From dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu  Fri Jun  4 01:47:20 2004
From: dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu (dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:47:20 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Multiple system call sets
Message-ID: <wqz1xkwiqyf.wl@hurt.theclones.net>


Folks,

I am interested in the use of multiple system call sets in Unix systems.
I recollect that Pyramid Technology machines in the 80's allowed users
and/or processes to select whether to use BSD or SYSV system call
semantics.  Also, FreeBSD supports Linux system calls and SYSV in
emulation.

Does anyone know a good location (book, article, website) that discusses
this.

thanks
dayton

 Dayton Clark
 CIS Department                 dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu
 Brooklyn College/CUNY          718.951.4811
 Brooklyn, New York  11210      718.951.4842 (fax)




From kiers at original.xs4all.nl  Fri Jun  4 02:13:36 2004
From: kiers at original.xs4all.nl (Bert Kiers)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:13:36 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Multiple system call sets
In-Reply-To: <wqz1xkwiqyf.wl@hurt.theclones.net>
References: <wqz1xkwiqyf.wl@hurt.theclones.net>
Message-ID: <20040603161336.GF9509@janeway.boppelans.net>

On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:47:20AM -0400, dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu wrote:

> I recollect that Pyramid Technology machines in the 80's allowed users
> and/or processes to select whether to use BSD or SYSV system call
> semantics.  Also, FreeBSD supports Linux system calls and SYSV in
> emulation.
> 
> Does anyone know a good location (book, article, website) that discusses
> this.

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/08/irix.html is a serie of eight
articles about how NetBSD supports Irix system calls.

-- 
Bert Kiers, !MCSE && 0xFF, frique d'ordinateur

From tuhs at superglobalmegacorp.com  Wed Jun  9 00:35:54 2004
From: tuhs at superglobalmegacorp.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:35:54 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8
Message-ID: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com>

Hi, I have one question about 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8... If I'm right the reason that they were 'pulled' was because of infringing AT&T code.  However didn't you need a 32v license to get access to 4.X BSD?  So in that case since 32v is now public wouldn't that allow these early self hosting BSD's to be 'free' again???


Just wondering...

Jason
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Wed Jun  9 11:09:28 2004
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:09:28 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8
In-Reply-To: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com>
References: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com>
Message-ID: <20040609010928.GA95596@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:35:54AM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
> Hi, I have one question about 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8... If I'm right the reason that they were 'pulled' was because of infringing AT&T code.  However didn't you need a 32v license to get access to 4.X BSD?  So in that case since 32v is now public wouldn't that allow these early self hosting BSD's to be 'free' again???

See ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/BSD which has Net/2, 386BSD 0.0 and 0.1.

	Warren

From grog at lemis.com  Sat Jun 12 15:37:19 2004
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:07:19 +0930
Subject: [TUHS] 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8
In-Reply-To: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com>
References: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com>
Message-ID: <20040612053719.GC28581@wantadilla.lemis.com>

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On Tuesday,  8 June 2004 at 10:35:54 -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
> Hi, I have one question about 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8... If I'm right
> the reason that they were 'pulled' was because of infringing AT&T
> code.  However didn't you need a 32v license to get access to 4.X
> BSD?  So in that case since 32v is now public wouldn't that allow
> these early self hosting BSD's to be 'free' again???

Yes, assuming SCO don't decide that they never released the software.

Greg
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From macbiesz at optonline.net  Wed Jun 16 05:35:44 2004
From: macbiesz at optonline.net (Maciek Bieszczad)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:35:44 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code
Message-ID: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net>

Hi,

What version, exactly, of 6th Edition source code is contained in the Lions' commentary booklets? I took a look at the version available for download at [http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf], but it does not seem to match the source code in the TUHS archives.

If the source code was in fact modified by Lions, are there any machine-readable versions available?

Regards,

Maciek.

From jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es  Wed Jun 16 17:42:14 2004
From: jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= R. Valverde)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:42:14 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code
In-Reply-To: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net>
References: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040616094214.6bd07887.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:35:44 -0400
Maciek Bieszczad <macbiesz at optonline.net> wrote:
> v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf

In the first page:

THIS VERSION WAS PRODUCED BY REVERTING THE SEVENTH
EDITION KERNEL SOURCE CODE AND A PROGRAM WRITTEN TO
GENERATE THE INDEX AND CROSS REFERENCE
BY BRIAN S. WALDEN	WH 3A-327	AUGUST 1998
                                               ^^^^

Note two details:
	This is not the original Lion's text (1998)
and the code is not the original v6 code, but rather
a reversion of v7 to v6 done by BSW.

	See the main page 

	v6.cuzuco.com/

where he clearly states it is a "superset" of actual v6
and the TUHS April archives of the mailing list for more
details.

				j

-- 
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			    José R. Valverde

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From helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE  Wed Jun 16 17:37:32 2004
From: helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE (Wolfgang Helbig)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:37:32 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code
Message-ID: <200406160743.i5G7htF00267@bsd.korb>

Hi
>If the source code was in fact modified by Lions, are there any 
machine-readable versions available?

The source is not modified by Lions, aside some layout and commentary changes.
You can find it at
	
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Ken_Wellsch_v6/

By the way, the V6 documentation can be viewed at

http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/doc/index.html

Have fun,
Wolfgang


From wkt at tuhs.org  Wed Jun 16 18:41:18 2004
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:41:18 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code
In-Reply-To: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net>
References: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040616084118.GA7096@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 03:35:44PM -0400, Maciek Bieszczad wrote:
> Hi,
> What version, exactly, of 6th Edition source code is contained in the Lions' commentary booklets? I took a look at the version available for download at [http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf], but it does not seem to match the source code in the TUHS archives.
> 
> If the source code was in fact modified by Lions, are there any machine-readable versions available?

Here is what the Lions' Commentary actually says:

This is a specially edited selection of code from the Level Six
version of UNIX, as received by us in December, 1975. ... The
principal editorial changes to the sourcecode are as follows:

 +  the order of presentation of files has been changed;
 +  the order of material within several files has been changed;
 +  to a very limited extent, code has been transferred between
    files (with hindsight a lot more of this would have been desirable);
 +  about 5% of the lines have been shortened in various ways to
    less than 66 characters (by elimination of blanks, rearrangement
    of comments, splitting into two lines, etc .);
 +  a number of comments consisting of a line of underscore characters
    have been introduced, particularly at the end of procedures;
 +  the size of each file has been adjusted to an exact multiple
    of 50 lines by padding with blank lines;

The source code has been printed in double column format with fifty
lines per column, giving one hundred lines per sheet (or page).
Thus there is a convenient relationship between line numbers and
sheet numbers.

Cheers,
	Warren

From macbiesz at optonline.net  Thu Jun 17 03:48:34 2004
From: macbiesz at optonline.net (Maciek Bieszczad)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:34 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code
In-Reply-To: <20040616094214.6bd07887.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
References: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net>
 <20040616094214.6bd07887.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
Message-ID: <20040616134834.1c548210.macbiesz@optonline.net>

I agree that it is not exactly the source code which appears in the printed editions; however, it appears to come very close to it.

For example, the unix/param.h file in the PDF edition macthes neither V6 or V7 code (the code itself is the same, but the comments are formatted differently, and the code is shuffled around quite a bit.) Most importantly, when I go through the commentary, the line numbers match the code exactly.

My question really was how close does BSW's reproduction of the source code listing come to the originals, and is that superset available in machine-readable form?

Maciek.

From shoppa at trailing-edge.com  Thu Jun 24 20:59:36 2004
From: shoppa at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:36 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] History of "sno" Snobol interpreter (V4, Sys V?)
Message-ID: <40DAB418.nailKRX11RMPN@mini-me.trailing-edge.com>

Can anyone comment about the history of the "sno" Snobol
interpreter that seems to exist in V4 (man page in the
archives gives 2/7/93 as the date) and some later
Unix versions (Sys V, V6, etc.)?  In the TUHS archives
we have the V6 sources but they are remarkably comment-
free.

Was "sno" ever part of the build chain of any interesting
utilities etc?

I'm just generally curious about awk predecessors, if
anyone wants to chime in with their favorite pre-awk
string processing tools.

Tim.

From dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com  Fri Jun 25 14:11:04 2004
From: dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com (dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:11:04 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Re: History of "sno" Snobol interpreter (V4, Sys V?)
Message-ID: <9c44615d537f0b04b27b457bc1d38c82@plan9.bell-labs.com>

Shoppa wondered,

  Can anyone comment about the history of the "sno" Snobol
  interpreter that seems to exist in V4 (man page in the
  archives gives 2/7/93 as the date) and some later
  Unix versions (Sys V, V6, etc.)?  In the TUHS archives
  we have the V6 sources but they are remarkably comment-
  free.

  Was "sno" ever part of the build chain of any interesting
  utilities etc?

Not that I know of; I think writing it was just a quick entertainment
for Ken.  The "application" that has survived is a
1-page program that solves the Soma (or Instant Insanity)
puzzle.

	Dennis

From corey at phix.com  Sat Jun 26 02:16:56 2004
From: corey at phix.com (Corey)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:16:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] media: Unix's Founding Fathers
Message-ID: <E1BdtNo-00043e-Vs@phix.com>


Good article in the June 10th issue of the Economist
that may be of interest to TUHS members (I would have
caught it sooner, but I'm a little behind in my
reading).

  Unix's founding fathers
  Jun 10th 2004 
  From The Economist print edition

  Dennis Ritchie invented C and was one of the key members of the team
  behind Unix - two developments that underpin much modern software

  http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=S%27%2980%2EQQ7%27%23%40%23D%0A

Subscription or "pay-per-view" required. I'd share the
full article, but I am afraid of their lawyers.

---corey



From dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com  Sat Jun 26 11:54:50 2004
From: dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com (dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:54:50 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] re: media: Unix's Founding Fathers
Message-ID: <adb0df76c576468bbb41be4bb8fb9457@plan9.bell-labs.com>

At this instant, there is an accessible
link at

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2724348

though it has some popups.  A very nice story
indeed.  I talked to the author (Konstantin Kakaes)
for a couple of hours in March. He really did want
to know mostly about the kind of things the article
talks about, and though the PR guy had probably told
him that I wouldn't get into things like SCO, in fact
that wasn't what he was interested in.

	Dennis

From kwall at kurtwerks.com  Sat Jun 26 14:02:04 2004
From: kwall at kurtwerks.com (Kurt Wall)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:02:04 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] re: media: Unix's Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <adb0df76c576468bbb41be4bb8fb9457@plan9.bell-labs.com>
References: <adb0df76c576468bbb41be4bb8fb9457@plan9.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <20040626040204.GC828@kurtwerks.com>

In a 0.6K blaze of typing glory, dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> At this instant, there is an accessible
> link at
> 
> http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2724348
> 
> though it has some popups.  A very nice story
> indeed.  I talked to the author (Konstantin Kakaes)
> for a couple of hours in March. He really did want
> to know mostly about the kind of things the article
> talks about, and though the PR guy had probably told
> him that I wouldn't get into things like SCO, in fact
> that wasn't what he was interested in.

A very nice piece, indeed. It is refreshingly free from breathless
adoration of technology. Although such an article must note the UNIX
wars of the 80s and also the legal intriques, Kakaes manages to steer
clear of moribund, tired prose on the subject. Nicely done.

Kurt
-- 
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something child-like."
		-- Forbes Burkowski, Computer Science 454

From wes.parish at paradise.net.nz  Mon Jun 28 12:00:37 2004
From: wes.parish at paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:00:37 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [TUHS] re: media: Unix's Founding Fathers
In-Reply-To: <adb0df76c576468bbb41be4bb8fb9457@plan9.bell-labs.com>
References: <adb0df76c576468bbb41be4bb8fb9457@plan9.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <1088388037.40df7bc54b31c@www.paradise.net.nz>

I'm impressed at how successful the writer is at getting to the point.

A frightening number of scribblers in that neck of the woods - "economics/etc" -
need something frightfully close to "open-cranium mining" to get even simple
technical concepts.

Wesley Parish

Quoting "dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com" <dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com>:

> At this instant, there is an accessible
> link at
> 
> http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2724348
> 
> though it has some popups. A very nice story
> indeed. I talked to the author (Konstantin Kakaes)
> for a couple of hours in March. He really did want
> to know mostly about the kind of things the article
> talks about, and though the PR guy had probably told
> him that I wouldn't get into things like SCO, in fact
> that wasn't what he was interested in.
> 
> 	Dennis
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