From kstailey at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 22 00:21:11 2005
From: kstailey at yahoo.com (Kenneth Stailey)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:21:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TUHS] A BSD Question
Message-ID: <20050121142112.23409.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>

Who was the great Yang of Cardiff-by-the-Sea?

From hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jan 24 14:21:21 2005
From: hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net (Gregg C Levine)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:21:21 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Question for the List Manager/Owner
Message-ID: <001d01c501cc$2f554240$6401a8c0@who5>

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Question: Will the list server drop subscribers, if they have not
posted anything to the list? Or are other reasons taken into
circumstances?

Consider this, for any number of reasons, two of my e-mail addresses
for this ISP are subscribed to this list, some time ago a posting
arrived at Address #2, but Address #1 didn't receive it.

Repeated queries to the list server's management site, didn't provide
me with my password, nor did entering what I thought it was when I
first subscribed to it, succeed. However my first clew that something
was up, happened when it accepted my requests to rejoin it.

So when you have the time to look into the matter, can you
investigate. FYI, the address in doubt is this one.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi



From wkt at tuhs.org  Mon Jan 24 16:16:32 2005
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:16:32 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] Question for the List Manager/Owner
In-Reply-To: <001d01c501cc$2f554240$6401a8c0@who5>
References: <001d01c501cc$2f554240$6401a8c0@who5>
Message-ID: <20050124061632.GA48398@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 11:21:21PM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Question: Will the list server drop subscribers, if they have not
> posted anything to the list? Or are other reasons taken into
> circumstances?
> 
> Consider this, for any number of reasons, two of my e-mail addresses
> for this ISP are subscribed to this list, some time ago a posting
> arrived at Address #2, but Address #1 didn't receive it.

Mailman drops people from a list if repeated attempts to deliver e-mail
to that address fail. There is no other reason that an address would
get dropped.

> So when you have the time to look into the matter, can you
> investigate. FYI, the address in doubt is this one.
> -------------------
> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
> ------------------------------------------------------------

Both of these addresses are registered, none are marked as unsubscribed
or removed. The maillog records show delivery to both addresses:

Jan 24 14:30:40 minnie postfix/smtp[45359]: BE16A3E0: to=<hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net>, relay=gateway1.worldnet.att.net[204.127.134.23], delay=179, status=sent (250 ok ; id=200501240430370110071un2e)
Jan 24 16:14:49 minnie postfix/smtp[48575]: 883E03A1: to=<hansolofalcon at att.net>, relay=gateway2.att.net[12.102.240.23], delay=16, status=sent (250 ok ; id=20050124061445018007mtjme)

Cheers,
	Warren

From hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jan 24 16:28:43 2005
From: hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net (Gregg C Levine)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:28:43 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Question for the List Manager/Owner
In-Reply-To: <20050124061632.GA48398@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <000001c501dd$f7927d20$6401a8c0@who5>

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Warren that makes sense. Can you send me, off list of course, the
dates when the delivery failed for just this address? 

Here's the really strange part: I know reasonably close to certain,
that practically nothing went wrong with my ISP's mail services during
the time period covering this month, the previous three weeks. I
believe nothing went wrong at all during the entire month of December.

Oh, and I'm not doubting your talents, or your system's efforts, its
for my ISP so they can properly convince their network management
people, e-mail, and other stuff regarding things going wrong, or not.

Incidentally two of the lists that I subscribe to, are configured to
send out messages that invite people to confirm a numerical string
that activates their subscription, which was disabled do to bounces.
(However, typically nothing of a sort has happened. The Owner is
having problems managing those two lists, and has no idea of what else
to do.)
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt at tuhs.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:17 AM
> To: Gregg C Levine
> Cc: The Unix Heritage Society
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Question for the List Manager/Owner
> 
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 11:21:21PM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Question: Will the list server drop subscribers, if they have not
> > posted anything to the list? Or are other reasons taken into
> > circumstances?
> >
> > Consider this, for any number of reasons, two of my e-mail
addresses
> > for this ISP are subscribed to this list, some time ago a posting
> > arrived at Address #2, but Address #1 didn't receive it.
> 
> Mailman drops people from a list if repeated attempts to deliver
e-mail
> to that address fail. There is no other reason that an address would
> get dropped.
> 
> > So when you have the time to look into the matter, can you
> > investigate. FYI, the address in doubt is this one.
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Both of these addresses are registered, none are marked as
unsubscribed
> or removed. The maillog records show delivery to both addresses:
> <<Registration references deleted for privacy reasons.>>
> Cheers,
> 	Warren


From arnold at skeeve.com  Thu Jan 27 00:19:04 2005
From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:19:04 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] original SCCS code?
Message-ID: <200501261419.j0QEJ4cK001907@skeeve.com>

Is the original code for SCCS under the Caldera license?  In particular,
is there a URL where it's available?  Or should someone wishing to work
with SCCS files use GNU CSSC?

Thanks,

Arnold

From txomsy at yahoo.es  Thu Jan 27 06:46:01 2005
From: txomsy at yahoo.es (Jose R. Valverde)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:46:01 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] original SCCS code?
In-Reply-To: <200501261419.j0QEJ4cK001907@skeeve.com>
References: <200501261419.j0QEJ4cK001907@skeeve.com>
Message-ID: <20050126214601.461cb04d.txomsy@yahoo.es>

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:19:04 +0200
Aharon Robbins <arnold at skeeve.com> wrote:
> Is the original code for SCCS under the Caldera license?  In particular,
> is there a URL where it's available?  Or should someone wishing to work
> with SCCS files use GNU CSSC?
> 
Sure, it's all in the archive. I'm now locked at home by the snow and can't
access the DVD I had created with the expanded sources of TUHS, but it is
certainly there.

I would look into either Ultrix, SystemIII or any PWB release.

Quick check: look into

	.../PDP11/Distributions/dec/Ultrix-3.1-src/ultrix11-src.tar.gz
	.../VAX/Distributions/Ultrix-32M/old-ultrix-32.tar.gz

				j
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From asbesto at freaknet.org  Fri Jan 28 01:15:32 2005
From: asbesto at freaknet.org (asbesto)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:15:32 +0000
Subject: [martin@freaknet.org: Re: [tg@66h.42h.de: [TUHS] licence of
	ditroff?]]
Message-ID: <20050127151532.GA5387@freaknet.org>

----- Forwarded message from Martin Guy <martin at freaknet.org> -----

From: Martin Guy <martin at freaknet.org>
To: asbesto <asbesto at freaknet.org>
Subject: Re: [tg at 66h.42h.de: [TUHS] licence of ditroff?]

Ta! 
  I already dealt with this in november - same person.
Is this an old message?
  The outcome was: it's in the public domain because they
published the original sources with no copyright notice at the
top... so they are going to create a new free troff from the
sources on my tape, more free than groff!

Yes!

     M

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, asbesto wrote:

[snip]
> ----- Forwarded message from Thorsten Glaser <tg at 66h.42h.de> -----
> 
> I would like to know which licence the files at
> http://medialab.dyndns.org/~martin/tape/stuff/ditroff/
> are under.
[snip]
> ----- End forwarded message -----

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From imp at bsdimp.com  Fri Jan 28 01:32:27 2005
From: imp at bsdimp.com (M. Warner Losh)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [martin@freaknet.org: Re: [tg@66h.42h.de: [TUHS] licence of
 ditroff?]]
In-Reply-To: <20050127151532.GA5387@freaknet.org>
References: <20050127151532.GA5387@freaknet.org>
Message-ID: <20050127.083227.35017922.imp@bsdimp.com>

In message: <20050127151532.GA5387 at freaknet.org>
            asbesto <asbesto at freaknet.org> writes:
:   I already dealt with this in november - same person.
: Is this an old message?
:   The outcome was: it's in the public domain because they
: published the original sources with no copyright notice at the
: top... so they are going to create a new free troff from the
: sources on my tape, more free than groff!
: 
: Yes!

It is believed to be in the public domain.  This is the heart of why
AT&T's case against UCB fell apart (and AT&T's failure to comply with
the BSD license).  However, there's never been a final ruling to this
effect and the law in the area is complicated.

Warner

From arnold at skeeve.com  Mon Jan 31 19:39:37 2005
From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:39:37 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] licence of ditroff?
Message-ID: <200501310939.j0V9dbJF027523@skeeve.com>

Instead of starting with 27 year old code, you'd be better
off taking the troff from http://www.swtch.com/plan9port.

This is a port of many Plan 9 utilities to Unix.  The troff there
(a) has an explicit license that will probably do for the BSD people
(b) already knows how to produce PostScript
(c) can handle UTF-8 and 16-bit Unicode

Arnold

> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:39:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Thorsten Glaser <tg at 66h.42h.de>
> Subject: [TUHS] licence of ditroff?
> To: martinwguy at yahoo.it
> Cc: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org, miros-discuss at 66h.42h.de
>
> Hi!
>
> I would like to know which licence the files at
> http://medialab.dyndns.org/~martin/tape/stuff/ditroff/
> are under.
>
> If it's http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf
> that would be nice, if not, is there any way to find
> out whose (c) is on the files, and how to contact them?
>
> Reason: I'm developer of a BSD offspring and already
> integrated 4.4BSD-Alpha nroff, neqn, tbl etc. under the
> Caldera licence above into our operating system in order
> to get rid of the less free, written in C++, GNU groff.
> With success. Now I'm lacking postscript output.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> //mirabile
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