From agrier at poofygoof.com  Tue May 14 16:11:31 2013
From: agrier at poofygoof.com (Aaron J. Grier)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 23:11:31 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] curmudgeon credit
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References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304280724220.36897@aneurin.horsfall.org>
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On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 05:08:28PM +1000, Nick Downing wrote:
> Well, I don't like wasted silicon

obviously not speaking for my employer here, but my understanding is
that you can't power up all the existing real-estate on modern silicon
and still meet power envelopes.  the extra silicon isn't wasted: it
merely functions as a heat-sink when it's not being utilized.  :)

are there any synthesizable (hardware description language) versions of
PDP or VAX available?  seems like hybrid FPGA / SW emulation platforms
would be an interesting experimentation space.

-- 
  Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | agrier at poofygoof.com


From emu at e-bbes.com  Tue May 14 16:52:19 2013
From: emu at e-bbes.com (emu at e-bbes.com)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:52:19 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] curmudgeon credit
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 <201304280534.r3S5YrSu002857@skeeve.com>
 <CAH1jEzYGQQXgosVu56x=Btoucim1-cWDNJ0By5JTdF5oVNumHw@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier at poofygoof.com>:

> are there any synthesizable (hardware description language) versions of
> PDP or VAX available?  seems like hybrid FPGA / SW emulation platforms
> would be an interesting experimentation space.

Few PDP11s (VHDL?) are out there, no VAX in the wild as far as I know ...



From dfevans at sekrit.eu  Tue May 14 17:51:36 2013
From: dfevans at sekrit.eu (David Evans)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:51:36 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] curmudgeon credit
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 <CAH1jEzYGQQXgosVu56x=Btoucim1-cWDNJ0By5JTdF5oVNumHw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 14 May 2013, at 07:52, emu at e-bbes.com wrote:

> Quoting "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier at poofygoof.com>:
> 
>> are there any synthesizable (hardware description language) versions of
>> PDP or VAX available?  seems like hybrid FPGA / SW emulation platforms
>> would be an interesting experimentation space.
> 
> Few PDP11s (VHDL?) are out there, no VAX in the wild as far as I know …
> 

Yes; I've run 7th Edition on

http://pdp2011.sytse.net/wordpress/

Was too lazy to get 2.11BSD working and I see that it has progressed a lot in the year since I tried it. I think I played with

http://opencores.org/project,w11

too but I can't remember what I did.

I've spent most time with an -8 and there are a couple of -10s out there but then that's not Unix...




From clemc at ccc.com  Fri May 24 22:58:21 2013
From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:58:21 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People,
	Computers in a Wired World
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I fear a sad part of this slide show is that many of us remember and were
part of it all.   Some of us  programmed these machines (I admit that I
still have some of these pieces in my basement).  I was disappointed they
did not show a "stinger tap." The picture of the Alto shows the first mouse
– the Hawley Labs mechanical mouse (which I miss for its feel).   Check out
the picture of the first Cisco router using Intel Multibus (with a Motorola
68k in it) looking so awkward.

http://www.eweek.com/networking/slideshows/ethernet-marks-40-years-linking-people-computers-in-a-wired-world/?kc=EWKNLEDP05242013A&dni=60148934&rni=24249067
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From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com  Fri May 24 23:58:47 2013
From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:58:47 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People,
 Computers in a Wired World
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> I fear a sad part of this slide show is that many of us remember and were
> part of it all.   Some of us  programmed these machines (I admit that I
> still have some of these pieces in my basement).  I was disappointed they
> did not show a "stinger tap." The picture of the Alto shows the first mouse
> – the Hawley Labs mechanical mouse (which I miss for its feel).   Check out
> the picture of the first Cisco router using Intel Multibus (with a Motorola
> 68k in it) looking so awkward.
>
> http://www.eweek.com/networking/slideshows/ethernet-marks-40-years-linking-people-computers-in-a-wired-world/?kc=EWKNLEDP05242013A&dni=60148934&rni=24249067

Hello!
Then you did not notice the one which attempts to describe the widget
attached to the yellow cable. It was a tap who used the stinger
design. It was an interesting slide show, but it did not go into
complete detail.

Charles Spurgeon wrote an excellent book on Ethernet which as it
happens to explain practically everything about the entire ideas
behind it.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."


From lm at bitmover.com  Sat May 25 03:02:48 2013
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:02:48 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People,
 Computers in a Wired World
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Surprised nobody linked this ask me anything by Bob Metcalfe:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1erq51/youre_probably_connecting_to_reddit_through_a/

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:58:21AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> I fear a sad part of this slide show is that many of us remember and were
> part of it all.   Some of us  programmed these machines (I admit that I
> still have some of these pieces in my basement).  I was disappointed they
> did not show a "stinger tap." The picture of the Alto shows the first mouse
> ? the Hawley Labs mechanical mouse (which I miss for its feel).   Check out
> the picture of the first Cisco router using Intel Multibus (with a Motorola
> 68k in it) looking so awkward.
> 
> http://www.eweek.com/networking/slideshows/ethernet-marks-40-years-linking-people-computers-in-a-wired-world/?kc=EWKNLEDP05242013A&dni=60148934&rni=24249067

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