From meillo at marmaro.de  Mon Jun  1 04:06:03 2015
From: meillo at marmaro.de (markus schnalke)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 20:06:03 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2O5xQigVpck734bopOa7a0hS8mgw=G0gwR064Ywa8PE0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu>
 <CAC20D2O5xQigVpck734bopOa7a0hS8mgw=G0gwR064Ywa8PE0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de>

Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me.

[2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
>
> I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was
> "rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB 2.0.
>   Mashey might remember.   I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, but do
> not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere.  I think Warren has a TAR image
> from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.


This is what I found out so far:

1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c
In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's
the same.

2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/

3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0.

4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I
haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages,
which date November 1979:
ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf
(cut is on PDF page 57)
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much
useful information at all on CB Unix.


Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on.

I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and
CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix.


meillo


From david at kdbarto.org  Mon Jun  1 04:14:17 2015
From: david at kdbarto.org (David Barto)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:14:17 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] So I'm looking through some old SVR3.1 source
Message-ID: <BA8E7D4A-23F4-41AC-8B5E-EC653E9D0830@kdbarto.org>

Just cuz of this list and recent comments about SVRx and I see this comment in ftrap.s

fpreent:			    # this is the point we return to 
				    # when we are executing the n+1th
				    # floating point instruction in a
				    # contiguous sequence of floating
				    # point instructions (floating
				    # pointlessly forever?)


Makes me wonder how many other humorous comments are buried in the code.

	David

Oh, if no one out there has a SVR3.1 distribution (apparently for the 3b2), I’ve got one to send out….



From b4 at gewt.net  Mon Jun  1 04:29:17 2015
From: b4 at gewt.net (Cory Smelosky)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] So I'm looking through some old SVR3.1 source
In-Reply-To: <BA8E7D4A-23F4-41AC-8B5E-EC653E9D0830@kdbarto.org>
References: <BA8E7D4A-23F4-41AC-8B5E-EC653E9D0830@kdbarto.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1505311427180.670@meaghan.gimme-sympathy.org>

On Sun, 31 May 2015, David Barto wrote:

> Just cuz of this list and recent comments about SVRx and I see this comment in ftrap.s
>
> fpreent:			    # this is the point we return to
> 				    # when we are executing the n+1th
> 				    # floating point instruction in a
> 				    # contiguous sequence of floating
> 				    # point instructions (floating
> 				    # pointlessly forever?)
>
>
> Makes me wonder how many other humorous comments are buried in the code.
>

Hmmm. I can't find ftrap.s in mine.

> 	David
>
> Oh, if no one out there has a SVR3.1 distribution (apparently for the 3b2), I?ve got one to send out?.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>

-- 
Cory Smelosky
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From mah at mhorton.net  Mon Jun  1 08:18:12 2015
From: mah at mhorton.net (Mary Ann Horton)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:18:12 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1)
In-Reply-To: <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de>
References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu>
 <CAC20D2O5xQigVpck734bopOa7a0hS8mgw=G0gwR064Ywa8PE0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de>
Message-ID: <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net>

CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2 
had cut/paste.  My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have 
any doc or source to confirm that.

On 05/31/2015 11:06 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
> Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me.
>
> [2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
>> I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was
>> "rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB 2.0.
>>    Mashey might remember.   I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, but do
>> not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere.  I think Warren has a TAR image
>> from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.
>
> This is what I found out so far:
>
> 1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online:
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c
> In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's
> the same.
>
> 2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut:
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
>
> 3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0.
>
> 4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I
> haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages,
> which date November 1979:
> ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf
> (cut is on PDF page 57)
> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much
> useful information at all on CB Unix.
>
>
> Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on.
>
> I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and
> CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix.
>
>
> meillo
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs



From clemc at ccc.com  Tue Jun  2 00:14:53 2015
From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:14:53 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1)
In-Reply-To: <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net>
References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu>
 <CAC20D2O5xQigVpck734bopOa7a0hS8mgw=G0gwR064Ywa8PE0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net>
Message-ID: <CAC20D2N95V=iXNFhK2z4rgcikGaX9fA4XE7W5-hRTUH9Z2+vfQ@mail.gmail.com>

+1

Similarly, I can not find any PWB 2.0 info, but I agree that if CB UNIX had
it, that is a strong indication that it was part of PWB 2.0.

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah at mhorton.net> wrote:

> CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2
> had cut/paste.  My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any
> doc or source to confirm that.
>
>
> On 05/31/2015 11:06 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me.
>>
>> [2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
>>
>>> I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was
>>> "rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in
>>> PWB 2.0.
>>>    Mashey might remember.   I'll check any doc I have at home tonight,
>>> but do
>>> not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere.  I think Warren has a TAR
>>> image
>>> from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.
>>>
>>
>> This is what I found out so far:
>>
>> 1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online:
>> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c
>> In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's
>> the same.
>>
>> 2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut:
>> http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
>>
>> 3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0.
>>
>> 4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I
>> haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages,
>> which date November 1979:
>>
>> ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf
>> (cut is on PDF page 57)
>> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much
>> useful information at all on CB Unix.
>>
>>
>> Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on.
>>
>> I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and
>> CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix.
>>
>>
>> meillo
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUHS mailing list
>> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
>> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>>
>
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From meillo at marmaro.de  Wed Jun  3 03:31:56 2015
From: meillo at marmaro.de (markus schnalke)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 19:31:56 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2N95V=iXNFhK2z4rgcikGaX9fA4XE7W5-hRTUH9Z2+vfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu>
 <CAC20D2O5xQigVpck734bopOa7a0hS8mgw=G0gwR064Ywa8PE0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net>
 <CAC20D2N95V=iXNFhK2z4rgcikGaX9fA4XE7W5-hRTUH9Z2+vfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1Yzq2e-0rq-00@marmaro.de>

[2015-06-01 10:14] Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
>
> +1
> 
> Similarly, I can not find any PWB 2.0 info, but I agree that if CB UNIX had
> it, that is a strong indication that it was part of PWB 2.0.
> 
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah at mhorton.net> wrote:
> 
>> CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2
>> had cut/paste.  My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any
>> doc or source to confirm that.

Thanks to both of you.


meillo


From beebe at math.utah.edu  Sat Jun  6 03:16:59 2015
From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 11:16:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TUHS]  Unix and the PDP-10
Message-ID: <CMM.0.95.0.1433524619.beebe@psi.math.utah.edu>

This new paper may be of interest to list readers:

        Dan Murphy
        TENEX and TOPS-20
	IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 37(1) 75--82 (2015)
        http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/MAHC.2015.15

In particular, the author notes on page 81:

>> ...
>> The fact that UNIX was implemented in a reasonably portable language
>> (at least as compared with 36-bit MACRO) also encouraged its spread to
>> new and less expensive machines.  If I could have done just one thing
>> differently in the history of TENEX and TOPS-20, it would be to have
>> coded it in a higher-level language. With that, it's probable that the
>> system, or at least large parts of it, would have spread to other
>> architectures and ultimately survived the demise of the 36-bit
>> architecture.
>> ...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Nelson H. F. Beebe                    Tel: +1 801 581 5254                  -
- University of Utah                    FAX: +1 801 581 4148                  -
- Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB    Internet e-mail: beebe at math.utah.edu  -
- 155 S 1400 E RM 233                       beebe at acm.org  beebe at computer.org -
- Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA    URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ -
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From arnold at skeeve.com  Thu Jun 11 21:31:44 2015
From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:31:44 +0300
Subject: [TUHS] DMR's web site
Message-ID: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com>

Hello All.

FYI.

Warren - can you mirror?

> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:41:39 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Brian Kernighan <bwk at cs.princeton.edu>
> Subject: dmr web site (fwd)
>
> Finally indeed.  I can't recall who else asked me about
> Dennis's pages, so feel free to pass this on.
> And someone ought to make a mirror.  If I were not far
> away at the moment, I'd do so myself.
>
> Brian
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 16:32:13 -0400
> To: Brian Kernighan <bwk at CS.Princeton.EDU>
> Subject: dmr web site
>
> finally, try this: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/
>
> It's almost a complete copy of Dennis Ritchie's pages, with some
> adaptation needed for the new location.  There are a few broken links,
> but hopefully they're not too annoying.


From 0intro at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 21:40:49 2015
From: 0intro at gmail.com (David du Colombier)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:40:49 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] DMR's web site
In-Reply-To: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com>
References: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com>
Message-ID: <CANUoZoHreJOPRGHnXkFtgL5ZK83xhCqf+rKCT-bCCtFB5bR2yg@mail.gmail.com>

By the way, a full mirror of the former Bell Labs CSRC server is available here:

https://9p.io/

Of course, it includes Dennis Ritchie's pages:

https://9p.io/who/dmr

-- 
David du Colombier


From sdaoden at yandex.com  Thu Jun 11 22:18:05 2015
From: sdaoden at yandex.com (Steffen Nurpmeso)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:18:05 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] DMR's web site
In-Reply-To: <CANUoZoHreJOPRGHnXkFtgL5ZK83xhCqf+rKCT-bCCtFB5bR2yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com>
 <CANUoZoHreJOPRGHnXkFtgL5ZK83xhCqf+rKCT-bCCtFB5bR2yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150611121805.ze9kKhNWMILR%sdaoden@yandex.com>

David du Colombier <0intro at gmail.com> wrote:
 |By the way, a full mirror of the former Bell Labs CSRC server \
 |is available here:
 |
 |https://9p.io/
 |
 |Of course, it includes Dennis Ritchie's pages:
 |
 |https://9p.io/who/dmr

And there the photograph of Dennis Ritchie shows a human being,
not a distorted artifact.

--steffen


From cubexyz at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 04:23:33 2015
From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:23:33 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
Message-ID: <CADxT5N76MBfw9n7ZBdudhqPkZv1rnJu3j89dsbK1bFyutDVm5Q@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed that the assembly source file for blackjack is missing from
the source tree so I tried to recreate it, so far unsuccessfully.

My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix
v5 as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. Also other
assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them.

Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable
itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix.

It's possible that v5 bj.s was printed out somewhere but so far no
luck finding it.

Mark


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jun 13 04:39:36 2015
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
Message-ID: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com>

    > My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix v5
    > as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. Also other
    > assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them.

My first question was going to be 'Maybe try an earlier version of the
source?', but I see there is no earlier version online. Odd. ISTR that some
of the fun things in V6 came without source, maybe blackjack was the same way?

    > Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable
    > itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix.

Where's the binary? I'd like to take a look at it, and see if the source was
assembler, or C (there's a C version in the source tree, too). Then I can
look and see how close it is to that 2.11 source - that may be a
re-implementation, and totally different.

	Noel


From cubexyz at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 05:01:51 2015
From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:01:51 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CADxT5N4M_=DWC86R=JpKuKa+wt5HRb22Y9XVM3SkfvGff6UnAw@mail.gmail.com>

Here it is:

http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-bj-pdp-11-executable

Judging by it's small size I figure the original code was assembly language.

On 6/12/15, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>     > From: Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com>
>
>     > My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix
> v5
>     > as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. Also other
>     > assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them.
>
> My first question was going to be 'Maybe try an earlier version of the
> source?', but I see there is no earlier version online. Odd. ISTR that some
> of the fun things in V6 came without source, maybe blackjack was the same
> way?
>
>     > Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable
>     > itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix.
>
> Where's the binary? I'd like to take a look at it, and see if the source
> was
> assembler, or C (there's a C version in the source tree, too). Then I can
> look and see how close it is to that 2.11 source - that may be a
> re-implementation, and totally different.
>
> 	Noel
>


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jun 13 05:31:23 2015
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:31:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
Message-ID: <20150612193123.F29F418C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com>

    > My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix v5
    > as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors.

I saw that there's a SysIII bj.s, which is almost identical to the 2.11 one;
so the latter is probably descended from the first, which I assume is Bell
source. So I grabbed it and tried to assemble it.

The errors are because bj.s is designed to be assembled along with another
assembler source file, which contains the following routines which are
missing from bj.s:

 mesg
 decml
 nline

Dunno if you're aware of this, but, the line 'as a.s b.s' _doesn't_
separately assemble a.s and b.s, rather it's as if you'd typed
'cat a.s b.s > temp.s ; as temp.s'. (This is used in the demi-enigmatic
"as data.s l.s" in the system generation procedure.)

I looked around in the sources that come with V6, and I didn't see any obvious
such file. I'm going to whip the required routines up really quickly, and see
if the results assemble/run.


I looked to see if I could steal them from the binary of 'bj' on V6, and...
it looks like that binary is totally different from this source. Let me look
into this...


    > Also other assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them.

The V6 assembler groks '.even'.

	Noel


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jun 13 06:00:43 2015
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
Message-ID: <20150612200043.4F65218C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Noel Chiappa

    > another assembler source file, which contains the following routines
    > which are missing from bj.s:

I missed some. It also wants quest1, quest2 and quest5 (and maybe more).
This may present a bit of a problem, as I can't find any trace of them
anywhere, and will have to work out from the source what their arguments,
etc are, what they do, etc.

I wonder how on earth the 2.11 people got this to assemble? (Or maybe they
didn't?)

	Noel


From cubexyz at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 06:16:20 2015
From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:16:20 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <20150612200043.4F65218C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20150612200043.4F65218C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CADxT5N543fP++gdHAWkJRcRYQ3YgZm+LFxjsxig5tNijz6X9bQ@mail.gmail.com>

> I missed some. It also wants quest1, quest2 and quest5 (and maybe more).
> This may present a bit of a problem, as I can't find any trace of them
> anywhere, and will have to work out from the source what their arguments,
> etc are, what they do, etc.
>
> I wonder how on earth the 2.11 people got this to assemble? (Or maybe they
> didn't?)
>
 >       Noel


You gave me a good hint :)

in 2.11bsd:

cd /usr/src/games/pdp
su
make bj

which does:

as -o bj.o etc.s bj.s us.s
ld -o bj bj.o -lc

the executable seems to work OK.

I tried to assemble it in v5 and it actually does assemble but then
gives "Memory fault -- Core dumped" when trying to run it.

I was wrong about .even, the v5 assembler does understand it. It might
just be easier to modify a later version of bj.c so the v5 compiler
could use it.

On 6/12/15, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>     > From: Noel Chiappa
>
>     > another assembler source file, which contains the following routines
>     > which are missing from bj.s:
>
> I missed some. It also wants quest1, quest2 and quest5 (and maybe more).
> This may present a bit of a problem, as I can't find any trace of them
> anywhere, and will have to work out from the source what their arguments,
> etc are, what they do, etc.
>
> I wonder how on earth the 2.11 people got this to assemble? (Or maybe they
> didn't?)
>
> 	Noel
>


From cubexyz at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 06:33:36 2015
From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:33:36 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
Message-ID: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>

OK, success...

in Unix v5:

as bj.s etc.s us.s
ld a.out -lc
mv a.out bj
chmod 0744 bj

It seems to work OK now. Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well.

Mark


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Jun 13 06:51:32 2015
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:51:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
Message-ID: <20150612205132.BE2C718C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com>

    > OK, success...

Yeah, I just got there too, but by a slightly longer route!

(Google wasn't turning up the matches for the routines I needed, which you
found in etc.s, etc - it seems the source archive on Minnie isn't being
indexed by Google. So I wound up cobbling them together with a mix of stuff
from other places, along with stuff I wrote/modified.)

    > Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well.

Does on V6, dunno about V7.

    > It seems to work OK now.

Yes, but this is _not_ the source for the V5/V6 'bj'. (I just checked,
and the V5 and V6 binaries are identical.)

Right at the moment, I've used enough time on this - I may get back to
it later, and disassemble the V5/V6 binary and see what the original
source looks like.

	Noel


From cowan at ccil.org  Sat Jun 13 06:57:30 2015
From: cowan at ccil.org (cowan at ccil.org)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:57:30 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d69d0d25b14df67d255357b897087c2.squirrel@www.ccil.org>

Mark Longridge scripsit:

> OK, success...
>
> in Unix v5:

Excellent!  Why not post a transcript of a game?

-- 
John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan at ccil.org
Pour moi, les villes du Silmarillion ont plus de realite que Babylone.
                --Christopher Tolkien, as interviewed by Le Monde




From ron at ronnatalie.com  Sat Jun 13 07:01:20 2015
From: ron at ronnatalie.com (Ronald Natalie)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:01:20 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <116CD5A1-BA47-4F7D-9DE5-C1AA87A34848@ronnatalie.com>

744?   You want the group and others to be able to read but not execute?

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, success...
> 
> in Unix v5:
> 
> as bj.s etc.s us.s
> ld a.out -lc
> mv a.out bj
> chmod 0744 bj
> 
> It seems to work OK now. Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well.
> 
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs



From cubexyz at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 08:23:18 2015
From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:23:18 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <116CD5A1-BA47-4F7D-9DE5-C1AA87A34848@ronnatalie.com>
References: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <116CD5A1-BA47-4F7D-9DE5-C1AA87A34848@ronnatalie.com>
Message-ID: <CADxT5N5azoGMBj=9N6pdZiv450gLcu-38qF_jFWscCcY0TwY=Q@mail.gmail.com>

> 744?   You want the group and others to be able to read but not execute?

You are right, chmod 0755 would have made more sense.

On 6/12/15, Ronald Natalie <ron at ronnatalie.com> wrote:
> 744?   You want the group and others to be able to read but not execute?
>
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, success...
>>
>> in Unix v5:
>>
>> as bj.s etc.s us.s
>> ld a.out -lc
>> mv a.out bj
>> chmod 0744 bj
>>
>> It seems to work OK now. Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well.
>>
>> Mark
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUHS mailing list
>> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
>> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>
>


From grog at lemis.com  Sat Jun 13 08:46:38 2015
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:46:38 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <CADxT5N4M_=DWC86R=JpKuKa+wt5HRb22Y9XVM3SkfvGff6UnAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
 <CADxT5N4M_=DWC86R=JpKuKa+wt5HRb22Y9XVM3SkfvGff6UnAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150612224638.GE76944@eureka.lemis.com>

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:01:51 -0400, Mark Longridge wrote:
> On 6/12/15, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>> Where's the binary? I'd like to take a look at it, and see if the
>> source was assembler, or C (there's a C version in the source tree,
>> too). Then I can look and see how close it is to that 2.11 source -
>> that may be a re-implementation, and totally different.
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-bj-pdp-11-executable
>
> Judging by it's small size I figure the original code was assembly
> language.

Wouldn't it make sense to disassemble it and create a source file from
that?

Greg
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From dave at horsfall.org  Sun Jun 14 03:48:36 2015
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 03:48:36 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADxT5N5pj38fVwBg9EturdHndYXWStd2Q0GqU9T_qC0MbFFwjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506140346240.67022@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Mark Longridge wrote:

> chmod 0744 bj

That has to be the world's oddest "chmod" command.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)   "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there)


From norman at oclsc.org  Sun Jun 14 11:08:48 2015
From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:08:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
Message-ID: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org>

Mark Longridge:

  chmod 0744 bj

Dave Horsfall:

  That has to be the world's oddest "chmod" command.

======

Not by a long shot.

Recently, for reasons related both to NFS permissions and to
hardware testing, I have occasionally been making directories
with mode 753.

At the place I worked 20 years ago, we wanted a directory
into which anonymous ftp could write, so that people could
send us files; but we didn't want it to become a place for
creeps to stash their creepy files.  I thought about the
problem briefly, then made the directory with mode 0270,
owned by the user used for anonymous ftp and by a group
containing all the staff members allowed to receive files
that way.  That way creeps could deposit files but couldn't
see what was there.

I also told cron to run every ten minutes, changing the
permissions of any file in that directory to 0060.

Oh, and I had already maniacally (and paranoiacally)
excised from ftpd the code allowing ftp to change permissions.

I admit I can't think of a reason to use 744 offhand, since
if you can read the file you can copy it and make the copy
executable.  But UNIX permissions can be used in so many
interesting ways that I'm not willing to claim there is no
such reason just because I can't see what it is.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON


From cowan at mercury.ccil.org  Sun Jun 14 11:41:55 2015
From: cowan at mercury.ccil.org (John Cowan)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:41:55 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org>
References: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org>
Message-ID: <20150614014155.GC20321@mercury.ccil.org>

Norman Wilson scripsit:

> Oh, and I had already maniacally (and paranoiacally)
> excised from ftpd the code allowing ftp to change permissions.

I needed an FTP server some time back to support only *non*-anonymous
logins, where the logins had nothing to do with the underlying system.
I came up with this:

<http://ccil.org/~cowan/publish-ftpd>

I was going to add HTTP support with basic auth, but never got around
to it.

> I admit I can't think of a reason to use 744 offhand, since
> if you can read the file you can copy it and make the copy
> executable.  

But it won't be owned by the original owner, which means any setuid bit
will give it the permissions of the copy-maker.

-- 
John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan at ccil.org
Awk!" sed Grep. "A fscking python is perloining my Ruby; let me bash
    him with a Cshell!  Vi didn't I mount it on a troff?" --Francis Turner


From random832 at fastmail.us  Sun Jun 14 12:50:24 2015
From: random832 at fastmail.us (random832 at fastmail.us)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:50:24 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <20150614014155.GC20321@mercury.ccil.org>
References: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org>
 <20150614014155.GC20321@mercury.ccil.org>
Message-ID: <1434250224.3528778.294918977.25E8E029@webmail.messagingengine.com>



On Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 21:41, John Cowan wrote:
> But it won't be owned by the original owner, which means any setuid bit
> will give it the permissions of the copy-maker.

Right, but 744 doesn't include a setuid bit.


From lars at nocrew.org  Mon Jun 15 15:14:04 2015
From: lars at nocrew.org (Lars Brinkhoff)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:14:04 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5
In-Reply-To: <CADxT5N76MBfw9n7ZBdudhqPkZv1rnJu3j89dsbK1bFyutDVm5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 (Mark Longridge's message of "Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:23:33 -0400")
References: <CADxT5N76MBfw9n7ZBdudhqPkZv1rnJu3j89dsbK1bFyutDVm5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86egldo8o3.fsf@vps34351.public.cloudvps.com>

Mark Longridge <cubexyz at gmail.com> writes:
> Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable
> itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix.

There is a PDP-11 disassembler in GNU binutils.  Maybe you can adapt it
four your needs.


From arnold at skeeve.com  Wed Jun 17 15:29:04 2015
From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:29:04 +0300
Subject: [TUHS] O'Reilly X11 books, take two
Message-ID: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>

Hi All.

As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books
from the early 90s.  

I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing
from Israel.

One person said they were interested but didn't follow up with me, so
I'm again offering to the list.  First one to get back to me wins. :-)

Thanks,

Arnold


From arnold at skeeve.com  Wed Jun 17 15:31:24 2015
From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:31:24 +0300
Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history
Message-ID: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com>

I recently came across this:

	http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~bwk/202

It's been there for a while but I hadn't noticed it. It describes the
trials and tribulations of getting the Mergenthaler 202 up and running
at Bell Labs and is very interesting reading.

I have already requested that they archive their work with TUHS and
gotten a positve response about this from David Brailsford. In the
meantime, it's fun reading!

Enjoy,

Arnold


From gilbertmm at sdf.org  Wed Jun 17 15:47:38 2015
From: gilbertmm at sdf.org (Gilbert Morgan)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:47:38 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] O'Reilly X11 books, take two
In-Reply-To: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
Message-ID: <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>

I'm interested. Count me in.


<quote who="Aharon Robbins">
> Hi All.
>
> As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books
> from the early 90s.
>
> I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing
> from Israel.
>
> One person said they were interested but didn't follow up with me, so
> I'm again offering to the list.  First one to get back to me wins. :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>


-- 
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SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org



From arnold at skeeve.com  Wed Jun 17 16:45:40 2015
From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:45:40 -0600
Subject: [TUHS] X11 books
In-Reply-To: <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
 <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
Message-ID: <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>

OK, you got it. Please send mailing address.

Thanks,

Arnold

"Gilbert Morgan" <gilbertmm at sdf.org> wrote:

> I'm interested. Count me in.
>
>
> <quote who="Aharon Robbins">
> > Hi All.
> >
> > As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books
> > from the early 90s.
> >
> > I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing
> > from Israel.
> >
> > One person said they were interested but didn't follow up with me, so
> > I'm again offering to the list.  First one to get back to me wins. :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Arnold
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUHS mailing list
> > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
>
>
> -- 
> gilbertmm at sdf.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org


From grog at lemis.com  Wed Jun 17 17:50:39 2015
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:50:39 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] X11 books
In-Reply-To: <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
 <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
 <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>
Message-ID: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>

On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at  0:45:40 -0600, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> "Gilbert Morgan" <gilbertmm at sdf.org> wrote:
>> <quote who="Aharon Robbins">
>>> Hi All.
>>>
>>> As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books
>>> from the early 90s.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing
>>> from Israel.
>
>> I'm interested. Count me in.
>
> OK, you got it. Please send mailing address.

If anybody else is interested, I have a set too.  Also the complete
4.4BSD manual set.  Postage would be from Australia this time.

Greg
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From meillo at marmaro.de  Wed Jun 17 18:03:33 2015
From: meillo at marmaro.de (markus schnalke)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:03:33 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] X11 books
In-Reply-To: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
 <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
 <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>
 <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <1Z58Jp-0u6-00@marmaro.de>

[2015-06-17 17:50] Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com>
>
> Also the complete 4.4BSD manual set.

I'm interested in the 4.4BSD manuals.


meillo


From gilbertmm at sdf.org  Wed Jun 17 18:12:03 2015
From: gilbertmm at sdf.org (Gilbert Morgan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:12:03 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] X11 books
In-Reply-To: <1Z58Jp-0u6-00@marmaro.de>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
 <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
 <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>
 <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> <1Z58Jp-0u6-00@marmaro.de>
Message-ID: <f073c56a853e6f25712bee73f2568841.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>

If Markus ends up not getting the 4.4BSD Manuals, I will take them. Just
let me know.

<quote who="markus schnalke">
> [2015-06-17 17:50] Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com>
>>
>> Also the complete 4.4BSD manual set.
>
> I'm interested in the 4.4BSD manuals.
>
>
> meillo
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>


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From vu3rdd at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 19:26:10 2015
From: vu3rdd at gmail.com (Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:56:10 +0530
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
Message-ID: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone got Plan 9 4th edition manuals or Inferno Manuals? I will be
interested to buy them. Vitanuova used to sell them, but their payment
system is down for years now and has been brought up to Charles many
times, but it seem to be still down, so there is no way to buy it from
them.

-- 
  Ramakrishnan


From 0intro at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 19:34:09 2015
From: 0intro at gmail.com (David du Colombier)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:34:09 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Anyone got Plan 9 4th edition manuals or Inferno Manuals? I will be
> interested to buy them. Vitanuova used to sell them, but their payment
> system is down for years now and has been brought up to Charles many
> times, but it seem to be still down, so there is no way to buy it from
> them.

Alternatively, you could still generate the two up-to-date PDF manuals
from /sys/doc and print them on one of the print-on-demand services.
You won't get the nice colorful covers though.

-- 
David du Colombier


From vu3rdd at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 19:39:56 2015
From: vu3rdd at gmail.com (Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:09:56 +0530
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA6Yd9VyFQ9DcSLwHV6U1T6daRO2hVLU5t6jyXLTBqCzuCixoQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, David du Colombier <0intro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone got Plan 9 4th edition manuals or Inferno Manuals? I will be
>> interested to buy them. Vitanuova used to sell them, but their payment
>> system is down for years now and has been brought up to Charles many
>> times, but it seem to be still down, so there is no way to buy it from
>> them.
>
> Alternatively, you could still generate the two up-to-date PDF manuals
> from /sys/doc and print them on one of the print-on-demand services.

yes, I have PDFs of them. I just wanted to know if anyone has original
copies for sale.

-- 
  Ramakrishnan


From milov at cs.uwlax.edu  Wed Jun 17 21:52:38 2015
From: milov at cs.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:52:38 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history
In-Reply-To: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com>
References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com>
Message-ID: <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu>

Oh my! This brings back memories from the 1980s. I worked at a publishing company and had many dealings with a 202. I suspect that our travails were increased by the equipment we used to drive our 202, a DG Eclipse S/130 and a serial connection that used the paper tape reader interface.

 - Milo

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Aharon Robbins <arnold at skeeve.com> wrote:
> 
> I recently came across this:
> 
> 	http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~bwk/202
> 
> It's been there for a while but I hadn't noticed it. It describes the
> trials and tribulations of getting the Mergenthaler 202 up and running
> at Bell Labs and is very interesting reading.
> 
> I have already requested that they archive their work with TUHS and
> gotten a positve response about this from David Brailsford. In the
> meantime, it's fun reading!
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Arnold
> _______________________________________________
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> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs



From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 00:49:24 2015
From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:49:24 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history
In-Reply-To: <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu>
References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com>
 <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu>
Message-ID: <CAC5iaNFVUYLhXWHgRnf3T6f1xw=9LUaB7akPEGgujwC_+MhK3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
On a setup like that?
 I may not know UNIX as much as I want to, as much as all of you, but
I do know my way around a DG Eclipse and a Mergenthaler 202. Do recall
who set things up? Because they did it wrong. That Mergenthaler 202
had a dedicated port for communicating with the host. The tape reader
was only used upon starting the machine when it gets uncrated by the
company rep. The new users need to follow a series of steps to load
the fonts into the machines internal storage. The user needs to use a
special system to write a FST tape to do that.

Now if you were talking about a Mergenthaler VIP then yes you'd need
to go through the tape device, a special contraption was constructed
to translate serial into something the tape device understood.

How do I know this? My father ran a series of phototypesetting shops
each being run by DG hardware, including that fellow. While those
systems didn't run the dedicated OS that DG normally supplied, they
ran one written for the purposes of doing composition.

Incidentally some of the features of UNIX were constructed to do
phototypesetting, and in this case that's how copies of the C
programming book were originally set.

Now I freely admit if someone did indeed succeed in porting UNIX to
that DG, and in fact that's why the two were connected that way, but
for the vast majority of shops during the late 80s and during most of
the 90s who bought the software I've described and also the hardware
that's how it was done.

The one who did not. picked the same hardware, but an APS Mark 5 type
printer......

I'd give one of my favorite character's lives (if possible) to obtain
one of those specialized terminals..... It was similar to the Altair
and ASR33 (with paper tape reader/punch feature enabled) but it used a
VDT.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Milo Velimirovic <milov at cs.uwlax.edu> wrote:
> Oh my! This brings back memories from the 1980s. I worked at a publishing company and had many dealings with a 202. I suspect that our travails were increased by the equipment we used to drive our 202, a DG Eclipse S/130 and a serial connection that used the paper tape reader interface.
>
>  - Milo
>
>> On Jun 17, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Aharon Robbins <arnold at skeeve.com> wrote:
>>
>> I recently came across this:
>>
>>       http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~bwk/202
>>
>> It's been there for a while but I hadn't noticed it. It describes the
>> trials and tribulations of getting the Mergenthaler 202 up and running
>> at Bell Labs and is very interesting reading.
>>
>> I have already requested that they archive their work with TUHS and
>> gotten a positve response about this from David Brailsford. In the
>> meantime, it's fun reading!
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Arnold
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUHS mailing list
>> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
>> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs


From ckeck at texoma.net  Thu Jun 18 00:44:25 2015
From: ckeck at texoma.net (Cornelius Keck)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:44:25 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] X11 books
In-Reply-To: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
 <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
 <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>
 <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <599fa6736330390a8b4211860def5a9e.squirrel@www.texoma.net>

I'll take the X11 set, and the 4.4BSD if nobody else picks them up..


On Wed, June 17, 2015 03:50, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at  0:45:40 -0600, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
>
>> "Gilbert Morgan" <gilbertmm at sdf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> <quote who="Aharon Robbins">
>>>
>>>> Hi All.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11
>>>> books from the early 90s.
>>>>
>>>> I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of
>>>> mailing from Israel.
>>
>>> I'm interested. Count me in.
>>>
>>
>> OK, you got it. Please send mailing address.
>>
>
> If anybody else is interested, I have a set too.  Also the complete
> 4.4BSD manual set.  Postage would be from Australia this time.
>
>
> Greg
> --
> Sent from my desktop computer.
> Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key.
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
> This message is digitally signed.  If your Microsoft MUA reports
> problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua
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>
>




From brantleycoile at me.com  Thu Jun 18 00:55:32 2015
From: brantleycoile at me.com (Brantley Coile)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:55:32 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Anyone have a pdf of the C/A/T manual
Message-ID: <6D611BE2-8FF1-4B61-9263-95BBEC779F0A@me.com>

I remember seeing a manual on the C/A/T typesetter at one point.  I didn’t see it in bitsavers.org. 

Anyone have a pdf of it?

bwc



From cowan at ccil.org  Thu Jun 18 03:09:27 2015
From: cowan at ccil.org (cowan at ccil.org)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:09:27 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history
In-Reply-To: <CAC5iaNFVUYLhXWHgRnf3T6f1xw=9LUaB7akPEGgujwC_+MhK3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com>
 <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu>
 <CAC5iaNFVUYLhXWHgRnf3T6f1xw=9LUaB7akPEGgujwC_+MhK3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3673be10cad03fd03b3f3e2485eeebc1.squirrel@www.ccil.org>

Gregg Levine scripsit:

> Now I freely admit if someone did indeed succeed in porting UNIX to
> that DG, and in fact that's why the two were connected that way, but
> for the vast majority of shops during the late 80s and during most of
> the 90s who bought the software I've described and also the hardware
> that's how it was done.

AFAIK there was no port of any 16-bit Unix to the Eclipse.  The Eclipse
MV (32-bit) had a port of SVR2.

-- 
John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan at ccil.org
Sir, I quite agree with you, but what are we two against so many?
    --George Bernard Shaw,
         to a man booing at the opening of _Arms and the Man_




From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 04:47:18 2015
From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:47:18 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history
In-Reply-To: <3673be10cad03fd03b3f3e2485eeebc1.squirrel@www.ccil.org>
References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com>
 <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu>
 <CAC5iaNFVUYLhXWHgRnf3T6f1xw=9LUaB7akPEGgujwC_+MhK3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <3673be10cad03fd03b3f3e2485eeebc1.squirrel@www.ccil.org>
Message-ID: <CAC5iaNHoo28GCQdyaN440NwADdWAs1oJeuJ37TgWJhQ7MPuDCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
Indeed. I did know about the MV series of machines and in fact that's
the fellow I met during the period that I referenced. I knew that no
such port was constructed for the first generation machines.

And incidentally the DG machines I first met were a NOVA-2 and then a
NOVA-3. Finally one who started out as a NOVA-4 but became an MV
Eclipse design.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:09 PM,  <cowan at ccil.org> wrote:
> Gregg Levine scripsit:
>
>> Now I freely admit if someone did indeed succeed in porting UNIX to
>> that DG, and in fact that's why the two were connected that way, but
>> for the vast majority of shops during the late 80s and during most of
>> the 90s who bought the software I've described and also the hardware
>> that's how it was done.
>
> AFAIK there was no port of any 16-bit Unix to the Eclipse.  The Eclipse
> MV (32-bit) had a port of SVR2.
>
> --
> John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan at ccil.org
> Sir, I quite agree with you, but what are we two against so many?
>     --George Bernard Shaw,
>          to a man booing at the opening of _Arms and the Man_
>
>


From reed at reedmedia.net  Thu Jun 18 05:53:05 2015
From: reed at reedmedia.net (Jeremy C. Reed)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:53:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TUHS] BSD manual set experience
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1506171343420.26100@t1.m.reedmedia.net>

Prompted by another thread, I decided to share about some of my 
experience with providing printed BSD manuals.

I was given a 4.4BSD set with the understanding that I would work on 
preparing new print editions using NetBSD. It was a significant 
undertaking. I ended up just doing Section 8 System. Here is a summary 
of what I did:

- Build the NetBSD distribution (which gets the manual pages generated 
or at least put in place).

- Manual clean up, like remove a link to manual page that wasn't needed 
and remove a duplicated manual (in two sub-sections).

- Learned about permuted index (the long KWIC index cross-reference). 
Generated a list of characters and terms to ignore for building my 
permuted index. Wrote script to generate it, including converting to 
LaTeX using longtable. This resulted in 2937 entries and was 68 pages in 
printed book.

- Create list of all an section 8 pages, pruned for duplicate inodes.

- Also have a list of 40 filenames of other manpages to include in the 
man8 book. These are system maintenance procedures or commands that are 
in wrong section or could be section 8 (or weren't installed). (Examples 
are ipftest, pkg_admin, postsuper.)

- Generate a sorted list of all the manuals.

- Look for any missing manual pages. Script to check for libexec or sbin 
tools not in man8, such as supfilesrv or supscan is really supservers.8 
and missing kdigest.8. Get those files in place as needed. I cannot 
remember now, but I think I may have wrote some missing manuals or got 
others to submit some (officially).

- Script to make sure all man pages are in order. This found some 
duplicate manual pages with different inodes, wrong man macro DT values, 
wrong filename, wrong sections, etc. Some of these were reported 
upstream or fixed.

- Script to create the book as a single huge postscript file, then a 
PDF. Reviewed the possible ROFF related errors and warnings.
(On 2009-10-23, it was 1304 pdf pages from 572 manuals.)

- Script to figure out licenses. This was substantial! It looked for 
copyright patterns in manual source, excluded junk formatting like 
revision control markers, include some extra licenses that weren't 
included in the manpage itself (like GPL2). Then another script to 
generate LaTeX from the copyrights and licenses. It removed duplicate 
license statements and sorted the copyrights.  So some license 
statements had many copyrights using the same license verbiage.

This represented 620 copyrighted files with approximately 683 copyright 
lines and 109 different licenses. Yes 109! That resulted in 
approximately 68 printed pages, pages 1461 through 1529. This didn't 
duplicate any license verbiage. (I just realized that was the same 
length as my permuted index.)

A few things to note:  Some authors chose to use different names for 
different copyright statements. Some authors used their names or 
assigned the copyright to the project. Some licenses included software 
or authors names instead of generic terms. Many BSD style licenses were 
slightly changed with different grammar, etc. Many contributors created 
own license or reworded someone else's existing license text. As an 
example: "If it breaks then you get to keep both pieces." :)

The four most common license statements represented 113 "THE REGENTS AND 
CONTRIBUTORS" manuals, 75 "THE NETBSD FOUNDATION, INC." manuals, and 35 
"IBM" (aka Postfix) manuals, and 30 generic "THE AUTHOR AND 
CONTRIBUTORS" manuals.

I found many were missing licenses. I hunted down original authors, 
looked in CVS history, etc to help resolve some of these. I also 
reported about still missing licenses to the project. We will assume 
they meant it is open source and can be distributed since nobody has 
complained for years (even prior to my printed work) :)

- Generated a list of required advertising acknowledgments in LaTeX to 
import into one printed book (and for webpage).

- Split my long PDF into two volumes. Used LaTeX pdfpages package and 
includepdf to include the generated PDFs. I made sure the page numbers 
continued in the second book from end of previous volume. (After 
printing, I realized a mistake where the second volume had odd numbers 
on left pages, but order is still correct, so I assume nobody else 
noticed.)

Historically, the System Manager's Manual (SMM) also included other 
system installation and administration documentation (in addition to the 
manual pages). My work didn't include that documentation (some of which 
was unmaintained since 4.4BSD in 1993 and covers some software and 
features that are no longer included with NetBSD). That could be another 
project.

I only did the SMM / manual section 8. I realized if I did all manuals, 
my book set would be well over ten thousand printed pages. The amount of 
work and initial printing costs would not be worth it with the little 
money it could bring in. It was certainly a learning experience, plus 
some benefit such as cleanup of some mandoc/roff code, filename renames, 
copyright/license additions, and manual pages added.

  Jeremy C. Reed

echo 'EhZ[h ^jjf0%%h[[Zc[Z_W$d[j%Xeeai%ZW[ced#]dk#f[d]k_d%' | \
  tr            '#-~'            '\-.-{'



From dave at horsfall.org  Fri Jun 19 02:53:58 2015
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 02:53:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] X11 books
In-Reply-To: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>
References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com>
 <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org>
 <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org>
 <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190250120.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:

> If anybody else is interested, I have a set too.  Also the complete
> 4.4BSD manual set.  Postage would be from Australia this time.

Herewith my (belated) interest in the BSD docs...  I'm in .AU land.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)   "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there)


From dave at horsfall.org  Fri Jun 19 03:10:20 2015
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 03:10:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190302530.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, David du Colombier wrote:

> Alternatively, you could still generate the two up-to-date PDF manuals 
> from /sys/doc and print them on one of the print-on-demand services. You 
> won't get the nice colorful covers though.

And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word 
"Copyright"...

Yeah, it's freely redistributable. "But Sir, it's copyright!"

KwikCopy, I'm looking at you.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)   "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there)


From aram.h at mgk.ro  Fri Jun 19 03:27:35 2015
From: aram.h at mgk.ro (=?UTF-8?B?QXJhbSBIxIN2xINybmVhbnU=?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:27:35 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190302530.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190302530.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>
Message-ID: <CAEAzY38SQDtK4t345MU2KLdLOYLho8H2cAJJ4+HnmGh3vvs5nw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word
> "Copyright"...

Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is
quite similar to the MIT license.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu


From random832 at fastmail.us  Fri Jun 19 03:33:27 2015
From: random832 at fastmail.us (random832 at fastmail.us)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:33:27 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <CAEAzY38SQDtK4t345MU2KLdLOYLho8H2cAJJ4+HnmGh3vvs5nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190302530.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>
 <CAEAzY38SQDtK4t345MU2KLdLOYLho8H2cAJJ4+HnmGh3vvs5nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1434648807.4188905.299226985.63F09DDE@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015, at 13:27, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> > And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word
> > "Copyright"...
> 
> Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is
> quite similar to the MIT license.

The point is that a free license doesn't matter if the guy at the print
shop can't read.


From khm at sciops.net  Fri Jun 19 03:32:17 2015
From: khm at sciops.net (Kurt H Maier)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:32:17 +0000
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <CAEAzY38SQDtK4t345MU2KLdLOYLho8H2cAJJ4+HnmGh3vvs5nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190302530.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>
 <CAEAzY38SQDtK4t345MU2KLdLOYLho8H2cAJJ4+HnmGh3vvs5nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150618173217.Horde.2OjN1k4Pd2pKHekoeVCHuxi@ssl.eumx.net>

Quoting Aram Hăvărneanu <aram.h at mgk.ro>:

> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
>> And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word
>> "Copyright"...
>
> Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is
> quite similar to the MIT license.

These subtleties are lost on the people who work the front desk at print
shops.  Anti-litigation practices indicate that anything with any kind of
copyright verbage is verboten.

khm



From cym224 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 05:04:23 2015
From: cym224 at gmail.com (Nemo)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:04:23 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals?
In-Reply-To: <20150618173217.Horde.2OjN1k4Pd2pKHekoeVCHuxi@ssl.eumx.net>
References: <CAA6Yd9W818JDhwGBPEz37t7fxNDMuxiqoWQwAB5e_D6NZT-Lcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUoZoEi1J7mwA=8NWhLxOAgGXXu+N2Do38FPaySp7emj6F8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506190302530.59883@aneurin.horsfall.org>
 <CAEAzY38SQDtK4t345MU2KLdLOYLho8H2cAJJ4+HnmGh3vvs5nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20150618173217.Horde.2OjN1k4Pd2pKHekoeVCHuxi@ssl.eumx.net>
Message-ID: <CAJfiPzwQS_Jnob-ju7a19n8ycvKGn6GHN2U=rMWbN0_xDvdK_w@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 June 2015 at 13:32, Kurt H Maier <khm at sciops.net> wrote:
> Quoting Aram Hăvărneanu <aram.h at mgk.ro>:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word
>>> "Copyright"...
>>
>>
>> Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is
>> quite similar to the MIT license.
>
>
> These subtleties are lost on the people who work the front desk at print
> shops.  Anti-litigation practices indicate that anything with any kind of
> copyright verbage is verboten.

Indeed.  Some years ago, we were hosting a standards meeting and went
out to copy the latest draft.  The first shop would not touch it
because it said copyright -- despite the author being present with
identification.  Kinko's, as it was then, copied it after we signed a
waiver.

N.


From dave at horsfall.org  Mon Jun 22 02:06:54 2015
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 02:06:54 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Anyone else here remember Portapunch?
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506220203320.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Replacing Chad, was: Black tape

On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Jones, Douglas W wrote:

> The flaws in the Votomatic were a bit subtle, but in retrospect, if you 
> read the patents for the IBM Portapunch (the direct predecessor of the 
> Votomatic) and for the Votomatic, you find that the flaw that was its 
> eventual downfall -- at least in the public's mind -- is fully 
> documented in the patents.  Of course IBM's (and later CESI's, after IBM 
> walked away from the Votomatic in the late 1960s) salesmen never 
> mentioned those flaws.

Portapunch?  Arrgghh!

We had to put up with that Satan-spawn in our University days...  Only 40 
columns wide, it had specific encodings for FORTRAN words, and it was just 
as well that FORTRAN ignored white space (I know this for a fact, when I 
fed a deck into a "real" card reader one time).

Being but mere impecunious Uni students and having to actually buy the 
things, we resorted to fixing mis-punches by literally sticky-taping the 
chads back.

For some reason, the computer operators (IBM 360/50) hated us...

I really do hope that the inventor of Portapunch is still having holes 
punched through him with a paper-clip.


From dave at horsfall.org  Mon Jun 29 17:30:16 2015
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:30:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>

Haven't found any more info...

-- 
Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer"
http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's all...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400
From: Dave Farber
To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Lauren Weinstein"
Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM
Subject: Death of Greg Chesson
To: <dave at farber.net>
Cc:


Dave, fyi.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren
Founder:
 - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org
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Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
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Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein
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From clemc at ccc.com  Mon Jun 29 22:44:58 2015
From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:44:58 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
Message-ID: <CAC20D2MqtPfMe_SdkCfFFthF_5Rth8y2Q6U2xm-ZgbkAA0tQZg@mail.gmail.com>

Greg had been sick for a while.   Sad loss.
Clem

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:

> Haven't found any more info...
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer"
> http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's all...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400
> From: Dave Farber
> To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Lauren Weinstein"
> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM
> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson
> To: <dave at farber.net>
> Cc:
>
>
> Dave, fyi.
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG
>
> --Lauren--
> Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren
> Founder:
>  - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org
>  - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info
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> http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info
> Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
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From lm at mcvoy.com  Mon Jun 29 22:52:38 2015
From: lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 05:52:38 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2MqtPfMe_SdkCfFFthF_5Rth8y2Q6U2xm-ZgbkAA0tQZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
 <CAC20D2MqtPfMe_SdkCfFFthF_5Rth8y2Q6U2xm-ZgbkAA0tQZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> Greg had been sick for a while.   Sad loss.
> Clem

Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI.  He came up to
see me a while back, he was sharp as ever.

I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel
better:

http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/

--lm


From lm at mcvoy.com  Mon Jun 29 23:52:22 2015
From: lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:52:22 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
 <CAC20D2MqtPfMe_SdkCfFFthF_5Rth8y2Q6U2xm-ZgbkAA0tQZg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com>
Message-ID: <20150629135222.GC24918@mcvoy.com>


I'm going to be AFK all day but a couple of things:

If anyone wants to come out for the funeral (once I figure out
when/where that is) I can offer up a place to stay.  Looking at you,
Clem, love to meet you in person and talk Masscomp.

When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share
some Greg stories, I have enough of them.  So I'll try and do that.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 05:52:38AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> > Greg had been sick for a while.   Sad loss.
> > Clem
> 
> Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI.  He came up to
> see me a while back, he was sharp as ever.
> 
> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel
> better:
> 
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/
> 
> --lm
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From mah at mhorton.net  Tue Jun 30 03:03:54 2015
From: mah at mhorton.net (Mary Ann Horton)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:03:54 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
Message-ID: <20150629100354.12481zqiuso7z4vu@webmail.mhorton.net>

I'm so sorry to hear of Greg's passing.  I still have the "Reach Out  
And Grep Someone" bumper sticker he gave me on my cubicle at SDG&E.

   Mary Ann

Quoting Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org>:

> Haven't found any more info...
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer"
> http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's all...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400
> From: Dave Farber
> To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Lauren Weinstein"
> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM
> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson
> To: <dave at farber.net>
> Cc:
>
>
> Dave, fyi.
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG
>
> --Lauren--
> Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren
> Founder:
>  - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org
>  - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info
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> http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info
> Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
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From norman at oclsc.org  Tue Jun 30 08:25:47 2015
From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
Message-ID: <20150629222547.E81011DE391@lignose.oclsc.org>

  When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share
  some Greg stories, I have enough of them.  So I'll try and do that.

If anyone wants to do that in person, USENIX ATC is next
week and would be an appropriate venue.  Perhaps a Greg
Chesson Memorial BOF?

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON


From dave at horsfall.org  Tue Jun 30 09:12:46 2015
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:12:46 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506291728540.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>
 <CAC20D2MqtPfMe_SdkCfFFthF_5Rth8y2Q6U2xm-ZgbkAA0tQZg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506300833490.96902@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Larry McVoy wrote:

> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel 
> better:
> 
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/

For some reason, I am reminded of the hayride scene in "The Dish" (yes, 
they do a hayride from time to time).

See the film.

I've been to PKS, and took a few photos; their machine room has lots of 
computers labelled "Unix" :-)

Oh, they're over here somewhere: 

http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/

My favourite is http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0010.jpg .

Ah, here it is: http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0017.jpg .

-- 
Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer"
http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's all...


From rudi.j.blom at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 12:18:38 2015
From: rudi.j.blom at gmail.com (Rudi Blom)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:18:38 +0700
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
Message-ID: <CAMYpm84Dn1vgJ9_-r2pxtC_Oi3pxnGsS9sCGOW0ahsq-sJi7sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Much to my surprise I see there isn't a WIKI page on Greg Chesson yet?

Maybe some of his friends get get together on submit one ?

Cheers,
rudi

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> Haven't found any more info...
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer"
> http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's all...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400
> From: Dave Farber
> To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Lauren Weinstein"
> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM
> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson
> To: <dave at farber.net>
> Cc:
>
>
> Dave, fyi.
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG
>
> --Lauren--
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:44:58 -0500
> From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
> To: Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org>
> Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs at tuhs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
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>
> Greg had been sick for a while.   Sad loss.
> Clem
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
>
>> Haven't found any more info...
>>
>> --
>> Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will
>> suffer"
>> http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's
>> all...
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400
>> From: Dave Farber
>> To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
>> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Lauren Weinstein"
>> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM
>> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson
>> To: <dave at farber.net>
>> Cc:
>>
>>
>> Dave, fyi.
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG
>>
>> --Lauren--
>> Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren
>> Founder:
>>  - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org
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> From: Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com>
> To: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
> Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs at tuhs.org>
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
>> Greg had been sick for a while.   Sad loss.
>> Clem
>
> Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI.  He came up to
> see me a while back, he was sharp as ever.
>
> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel
> better:
>
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/
>
> --lm
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:52:22 -0700
> From: Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com>
> To: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
> Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs at tuhs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
> Message-ID: <20150629135222.GC24918 at mcvoy.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> I'm going to be AFK all day but a couple of things:
>
> If anyone wants to come out for the funeral (once I figure out
> when/where that is) I can offer up a place to stay.  Looking at you,
> Clem, love to meet you in person and talk Masscomp.
>
> When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share
> some Greg stories, I have enough of them.  So I'll try and do that.
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 05:52:38AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
>> > Greg had been sick for a while.   Sad loss.
>> > Clem
>>
>> Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI.  He came up to
>> see me a while back, he was sharp as ever.
>>
>> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel
>> better:
>>
>> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/
>>
>> --lm
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:03:54 -0700
> From: Mary Ann Horton <mah at mhorton.net>
> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
> Message-ID: <20150629100354.12481zqiuso7z4vu at webmail.mhorton.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed"
>
> I'm so sorry to hear of Greg's passing.  I still have the "Reach Out
> And Grep Someone" bumper sticker he gave me on my cubicle at SDG&E.
>
>    Mary Ann
>
> Quoting Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org>:
>
>> Haven't found any more info...
>>
>> --
>> Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will
>> suffer"
>> http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's
>> all...
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400
>> From: Dave Farber
>> To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
>> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Lauren Weinstein"
>> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM
>> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson
>> To: <dave at farber.net>
>> Cc:
>>
>>
>> Dave, fyi.
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG
>>
>> --Lauren--
>> Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren
>> Founder:
>> ?- Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org
>> ?- PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info
>> Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility:
>> http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info
>> Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
>> Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
>> Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
> To: tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
> Message-ID: <20150629222547.E81011DE391 at lignose.oclsc.org>
>
>   When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share
>   some Greg stories, I have enough of them.  So I'll try and do that.
>
> If anyone wants to do that in person, USENIX ATC is next
> week and would be an appropriate venue.  Perhaps a Greg
> Chesson Memorial BOF?
>
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:12:46 +1000 (EST)
> From: Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org>
> To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs at tuhs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1506300833490.96902 at aneurin.horsfall.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Larry McVoy wrote:
>
>> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel
>> better:
>>
>> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/
>
> For some reason, I am reminded of the hayride scene in "The Dish" (yes,
> they do a hayride from time to time).
>
> See the film.
>
> I've been to PKS, and took a few photos; their machine room has lots of
> computers labelled "Unix" :-)
>
> Oh, they're over here somewhere:
>
> http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/
>
> My favourite is http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0010.jpg .
>
> Ah, here it is: http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0017.jpg .
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall  (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer"
> http://www.horsfall.org/  It's just a silly little web site, that's all...
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From lm at mcvoy.com  Tue Jun 30 13:37:18 2015
From: lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 20:37:18 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <20150629222547.E81011DE391@lignose.oclsc.org>
References: <20150629222547.E81011DE391@lignose.oclsc.org>
Message-ID: <20150630033718.GD20453@mcvoy.com>

That's a cool idea.  If that happens I'll show up and blather on about
how much I loved Greg.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 06:25:47PM -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:
>   When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share
>   some Greg stories, I have enough of them.  So I'll try and do that.
> 
> If anyone wants to do that in person, USENIX ATC is next
> week and would be an appropriate venue.  Perhaps a Greg
> Chesson Memorial BOF?
> 
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
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From dds at aueb.gr  Tue Jun 30 18:15:20 2015
From: dds at aueb.gr (Diomidis Spinellis)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:15:20 +0300
Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson
In-Reply-To: <CAMYpm84Dn1vgJ9_-r2pxtC_Oi3pxnGsS9sCGOW0ahsq-sJi7sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMYpm84Dn1vgJ9_-r2pxtC_Oi3pxnGsS9sCGOW0ahsq-sJi7sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55925018.1090501@aueb.gr>

I'd love to document Greg Chesson's contributions in the Unix history
repository [1].  I'm ashamed to say that I seem to have missed them.
Are there particular pieces of code we know he authored?  Just send me a
brief note, or, even better, a GitHub pull request for the author-path
map files [2].  I will summarize to the list.

[1] https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo
[2]
https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-make/tree/master/src/author-path

Many thanks,

Diomidis

On 30/06/2015 05:18, Rudi Blom wrote:
> Much to my surprise I see there isn't a WIKI page on Greg Chesson yet?
> 
> Maybe some of his friends get get together on submit one ?
> 
> Cheers,
> rudi



