From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au  Wed Mar  3 10:08:47 1999
From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:08:47 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <199903022242.OAA12660@harker.harker.com> from "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" at "Mar 2, 1999  2:42:27 pm"
Message-ID: <199903030008.LAA02692@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>

In article by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432:
> I just joined the pups-digest mailing list which seemed to be PDP-11
> oriented.  Is there a different mailing list for the The Unix Heritage
> Society?
> 
> And yes, I do have the original SunOS 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x software
> (and maybe 1.x also). As I tell friends, "There is a Sun 100u in the
> Smithsonian, but mine is older"
> 
> Thanks in advance
> RLH

Hi Robert, the name is a legacy thing, feel free to talk about old Suns.
If you have the old software, and we can clear things with Sun, then
we could get it added into the archive here.

There was a German web site which had Sun's assent to put some old SunOS
versions up on the web. My email from Robert D. Keys
<rdkeys at seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> says:

  Try the http://doener.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/  site, and it is explained
  there.  The guy actually got Sun to OK it, as far as I know, but
  I have no idea of the exact legalese involved, but memory tells
  me it was Sun Germany that gave the go-ahead on it.

  The site may have moved to http://sun3arc.krupp.net, since I was
  thinking a move was in progress a couple of months back.
  I think I got to it via a link from www.sunhelp.com or www.sunfreeware.com.

Hope this helps,

	Warren

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From rdkeys at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar  4 01:56:18 1999
From: rdkeys at unity.ncsu.edu (rdkeys at unity.ncsu.edu)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:56:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <199903030008.LAA02692@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> from "Warren Toomey" at Mar 3, 99 11:08:47 am
Message-ID: <199903031556.KAA19008@cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu>

> In article by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432:
> > I just joined the pups-digest mailing list which seemed to be PDP-11
> > oriented.  Is there a different mailing list for the The Unix Heritage
> > Society?
> > 
> > And yes, I do have the original SunOS 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x software
> > (and maybe 1.x also). As I tell friends, "There is a Sun 100u in the
> > Smithsonian, but mine is older"

Gee, I have been looking all over the place for some of those bits for
my dinosaur VME crates (sun3/sun4).  Most refreshing to know that they
have not totally vaporized.

> Hi Robert, the name is a legacy thing, feel free to talk about old Suns.
> If you have the old software, and we can clear things with Sun, then
> we could get it added into the archive here.

I heartily agree with Warren on the legacy dinosaurs.  Sadly, there is
not enough PDP-11ish iron to feed the multitudes.  The ancient VAXen
and SUNtoyz are still a good way to play old time historical unix.

> There was a German web site which had Sun's assent to put some old SunOS
> versions up on the web. My email from Robert D. Keys
> <rdkeys at seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> says:
> 
>   Try the http://doener.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/  site, and it is explained
>   there.  The guy actually got Sun to OK it, as far as I know, but
>   I have no idea of the exact legalese involved, but memory tells
>   me it was Sun Germany that gave the go-ahead on it.
> 
>   The site may have moved to http://sun3arc.krupp.net, since I was
>   thinking a move was in progress a couple of months back.
>   I think I got to it via a link from www.sunhelp.com or www.sunfreeware.com.

Sun3arc.krupp.net is the current site.  Since Sun Germany gave the go
to put things up there, I wonder if Warren could look into mirroring
that or Sun's allowing us to archive the early 68xxx material, too,
especially if members have the bits available in their personal archives.

> Hope this helps,
> 
> 	Warren

Just thinking out loud, but so much is going into the dumpster, that
we need to be thinking in the UHS about the preservation of other
legacy bits, too.  Five or ten more years down the road, and all those
ancient such machines will be historically important unobtainium, too.

Bob Keys



From beast at allitnil.df.lth.se  Sun Mar  7 15:46:48 1999
From: beast at allitnil.df.lth.se (Beastly Wolf)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:46:48 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <199903031556.KAA19008@cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.990307064427.10637A-100000@allitnil.df.lth.se>

About old sun software.
I work for Sun PS as regional manager and I have secured a stunningly 
large cardboard box with Sun software.
It is all on tape and there is a bundle of it.
If you guys can sort out the legal thing I could go through the box and 
send you all the non duplicate things.
Would that be fun?
/Lars



From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au  Mon Mar  8 12:39:47 1999
From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:39:47 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.990307064427.10637A-100000@allitnil.df.lth.se> from Beastly Wolf at "Mar 7, 1999  6:46:48 am"
Message-ID: <199903080239.NAA09367@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>

In article by Beastly Wolf:
> About old sun software.
> I work for Sun PS as regional manager and I have secured a stunningly 
> large cardboard box with Sun software.
> It is all on tape and there is a bundle of it.
> If you guys can sort out the legal thing I could go through the box and 
> send you all the non duplicate things.
> Would that be fun?
> /Lars

I've asked Billy Stivers (at Sun) to bring us up to date on his efforts
to get a response from them.

	Warren


From mjcrehan at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 20 16:47:28 1999
From: mjcrehan at earthlink.net (Martin Crehan)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:47:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Early Unix history online article
Message-ID: <199903200647.WAA15044@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

An interesting article on the early versions of Unix can be found online at:
   http://www.daemonnews.org/199903/history.html
The arrtcle, which is an slightly updated version originally published in
Microsystems in 1984, is titled:
   A History of UNIX Before Berkeley: UNIX® Evolution, 1975-1984
   by Ian F. Darwin and Geoffrey Collyer

Martin Crehan



From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au  Sun Mar 21 11:01:37 1999
From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:01:37 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Early Unix history online article
In-Reply-To: <199903200647.WAA15044@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> from Martin Crehan at "Mar 19, 1999 10:47:28 pm"
Message-ID: <199903210101.MAA21348@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>

In article by Martin Crehan:
> An interesting article on the early versions of Unix can be found online at:
>    http://www.daemonnews.org/199903/history.html
> The arrtcle, which is an slightly updated version originally published in
> Microsystems in 1984, is titled:
>    A History of UNIX Before Berkeley: UNIX® Evolution, 1975-1984
>    by Ian F. Darwin and Geoffrey Collyer
> 
> Martin Crehan

Thanks Martin, I've spoken to Ian and have permission to add a link to
it from the PUPS/TUHS web pages.

	Warren


From pasha at kali.com  Thu Mar 25 10:29:29 1999
From: pasha at kali.com (Robert J. Kelley)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:29:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FWD: PDP-11/83 looking for good home
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9903241627200.18691-100000@generic.yamato.com>


I hope someone can put this machine to good use.

I'd pursue it myself but I live in Portland, OR.

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We have a PDP-11/83 system (BA123 worldbox, 2 DHQ11, RD54, TK50, LA120, 
LA324) that is looking for a home. It's running MicroRSTS and is working.
We are located in northeast Ohio. Call or email me.

Thanks,

-- 
Joe Matuscak
Rohrer Corporation
717 Seville Road
Wadsworth, Ohio 44281
(330)335-1541
matuscak at rohrer.com




From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au  Wed Mar  3 10:08:47 1999
From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:08:47 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <199903022242.OAA12660@harker.harker.com> from "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" at "Mar 2, 1999  2:42:27 pm"
Message-ID: <199903030008.LAA02692@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>

In article by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432:
> I just joined the pups-digest mailing list which seemed to be PDP-11
> oriented.  Is there a different mailing list for the The Unix Heritage
> Society?
> 
> And yes, I do have the original SunOS 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x software
> (and maybe 1.x also). As I tell friends, "There is a Sun 100u in the
> Smithsonian, but mine is older"
> 
> Thanks in advance
> RLH

Hi Robert, the name is a legacy thing, feel free to talk about old Suns.
If you have the old software, and we can clear things with Sun, then
we could get it added into the archive here.

There was a German web site which had Sun's assent to put some old SunOS
versions up on the web. My email from Robert D. Keys
<rdkeys at seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> says:

  Try the http://doener.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/  site, and it is explained
  there.  The guy actually got Sun to OK it, as far as I know, but
  I have no idea of the exact legalese involved, but memory tells
  me it was Sun Germany that gave the go-ahead on it.

  The site may have moved to http://sun3arc.krupp.net, since I was
  thinking a move was in progress a couple of months back.
  I think I got to it via a link from www.sunhelp.com or www.sunfreeware.com.

Hope this helps,

	Warren

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From rdkeys at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar  4 01:56:18 1999
From: rdkeys at unity.ncsu.edu (rdkeys at unity.ncsu.edu)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:56:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <199903030008.LAA02692@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> from "Warren Toomey" at Mar 3, 99 11:08:47 am
Message-ID: <199903031556.KAA19008@cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu>

> In article by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432:
> > I just joined the pups-digest mailing list which seemed to be PDP-11
> > oriented.  Is there a different mailing list for the The Unix Heritage
> > Society?
> > 
> > And yes, I do have the original SunOS 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x software
> > (and maybe 1.x also). As I tell friends, "There is a Sun 100u in the
> > Smithsonian, but mine is older"

Gee, I have been looking all over the place for some of those bits for
my dinosaur VME crates (sun3/sun4).  Most refreshing to know that they
have not totally vaporized.

> Hi Robert, the name is a legacy thing, feel free to talk about old Suns.
> If you have the old software, and we can clear things with Sun, then
> we could get it added into the archive here.

I heartily agree with Warren on the legacy dinosaurs.  Sadly, there is
not enough PDP-11ish iron to feed the multitudes.  The ancient VAXen
and SUNtoyz are still a good way to play old time historical unix.

> There was a German web site which had Sun's assent to put some old SunOS
> versions up on the web. My email from Robert D. Keys
> <rdkeys at seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> says:
> 
>   Try the http://doener.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/  site, and it is explained
>   there.  The guy actually got Sun to OK it, as far as I know, but
>   I have no idea of the exact legalese involved, but memory tells
>   me it was Sun Germany that gave the go-ahead on it.
> 
>   The site may have moved to http://sun3arc.krupp.net, since I was
>   thinking a move was in progress a couple of months back.
>   I think I got to it via a link from www.sunhelp.com or www.sunfreeware.com.

Sun3arc.krupp.net is the current site.  Since Sun Germany gave the go
to put things up there, I wonder if Warren could look into mirroring
that or Sun's allowing us to archive the early 68xxx material, too,
especially if members have the bits available in their personal archives.

> Hope this helps,
> 
> 	Warren

Just thinking out loud, but so much is going into the dumpster, that
we need to be thinking in the UHS about the preservation of other
legacy bits, too.  Five or ten more years down the road, and all those
ancient such machines will be historically important unobtainium, too.

Bob Keys



From beast at allitnil.df.lth.se  Sun Mar  7 15:46:48 1999
From: beast at allitnil.df.lth.se (Beastly Wolf)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:46:48 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <199903031556.KAA19008@cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.990307064427.10637A-100000@allitnil.df.lth.se>

About old sun software.
I work for Sun PS as regional manager and I have secured a stunningly 
large cardboard box with Sun software.
It is all on tape and there is a bundle of it.
If you guys can sort out the legal thing I could go through the box and 
send you all the non duplicate things.
Would that be fun?
/Lars



From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au  Mon Mar  8 12:39:47 1999
From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:39:47 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Old SunOS Software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.990307064427.10637A-100000@allitnil.df.lth.se> from Beastly Wolf at "Mar 7, 1999  6:46:48 am"
Message-ID: <199903080239.NAA09367@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>

In article by Beastly Wolf:
> About old sun software.
> I work for Sun PS as regional manager and I have secured a stunningly 
> large cardboard box with Sun software.
> It is all on tape and there is a bundle of it.
> If you guys can sort out the legal thing I could go through the box and 
> send you all the non duplicate things.
> Would that be fun?
> /Lars

I've asked Billy Stivers (at Sun) to bring us up to date on his efforts
to get a response from them.

	Warren


From mjcrehan at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 20 16:47:28 1999
From: mjcrehan at earthlink.net (Martin Crehan)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:47:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Early Unix history online article
Message-ID: <199903200647.WAA15044@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

An interesting article on the early versions of Unix can be found online at:
   http://www.daemonnews.org/199903/history.html
The arrtcle, which is an slightly updated version originally published in
Microsystems in 1984, is titled:
   A History of UNIX Before Berkeley: UNIX® Evolution, 1975-1984
   by Ian F. Darwin and Geoffrey Collyer

Martin Crehan



From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au  Sun Mar 21 11:01:37 1999
From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:01:37 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Early Unix history online article
In-Reply-To: <199903200647.WAA15044@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> from Martin Crehan at "Mar 19, 1999 10:47:28 pm"
Message-ID: <199903210101.MAA21348@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>

In article by Martin Crehan:
> An interesting article on the early versions of Unix can be found online at:
>    http://www.daemonnews.org/199903/history.html
> The arrtcle, which is an slightly updated version originally published in
> Microsystems in 1984, is titled:
>    A History of UNIX Before Berkeley: UNIX® Evolution, 1975-1984
>    by Ian F. Darwin and Geoffrey Collyer
> 
> Martin Crehan

Thanks Martin, I've spoken to Ian and have permission to add a link to
it from the PUPS/TUHS web pages.

	Warren


From pasha at kali.com  Thu Mar 25 10:29:29 1999
From: pasha at kali.com (Robert J. Kelley)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:29:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FWD: PDP-11/83 looking for good home
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9903241627200.18691-100000@generic.yamato.com>


I hope someone can put this machine to good use.

I'd pursue it myself but I live in Portland, OR.

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We have a PDP-11/83 system (BA123 worldbox, 2 DHQ11, RD54, TK50, LA120, 
LA324) that is looking for a home. It's running MicroRSTS and is working.
We are located in northeast Ohio. Call or email me.

Thanks,

-- 
Joe Matuscak
Rohrer Corporation
717 Seville Road
Wadsworth, Ohio 44281
(330)335-1541
matuscak at rohrer.com




