From jfoust at threedee.com  Tue Aug 15 23:54:53 2006
From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:54:53 -0500
Subject: [pups] bitsavers document
In-Reply-To: <9EF0B27C-44E4-41D4-91B0-D58090D393D7@uwlax.edu>
References: <mailman.5.1150336800.85819.pups@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<9EF0B27C-44E4-41D4-91B0-D58090D393D7@uwlax.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060815085046.04c36b98@mail>

At 08:35 AM 6/15/2006, Milo Velimirovic wrote:
>No, not Lions. The author is listed on the first page as one T. R.  
>Bashkow.

A quick googling shows a "T.R. Bashkow" writing computing- and
electronic-related papers from 1958 to 1990 or so...  

- John



From hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 10 00:50:57 2006
From: hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net (Gregg C Levine)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:50:57 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Porting UNIX from a DEC PDP-11 family member to a DG (Data
	General) Eclipse family member
Message-ID: <00d901c6bbc3$42949b50$6401a8c0@who8>

Hello!
I have here a Doctor Who book which takes place during the early part of the
computer revolution, about the time the whole of what's discussed here
happened. The people concerned in the book have machines running UNIX. Some
of these are indeed PDP-11s and there are also a few DG Eclipses.

Now the question: How difficult would it to port UNIX V7 from the usual
machine, probably a PDP-11/43 (But I might be wrong about the model!) to a
DG Eclipse? Naturally since I don't have physical hardware here, the
intended target would be a SIMH DG virtual Eclipse (Or even a Nova 4) and
the one doing all the work would be a SIMH PDP-11.
--
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
 



From billcu1 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 11 06:29:30 2006
From: billcu1 at verizon.net (Bill Cunningham)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:29:30 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Porting UNIX...
Message-ID: <000501c6bcbb$af5f4340$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

    Actually  what I meant Gregg was Jon Pertwee was the Doctor back in the
'60s which is the time period you were referring to, and Troughton too I
guess. That reminds me of an episode called "The time..." something or other
with Roger Delgado. They were trying to do something with some type of
computer obviously an old mini of some type and some anciet artifact. There
were toggle switches and lights. Otherwise it certainly didn't look like and
PDP that I've ever seen in pictures. Just to get close to one of those old
things would be breathtaking. Before my time though.

Bill



From hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug 11 07:50:35 2006
From: hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net (Gregg C Levine)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:50:35 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Porting UNIX...
In-Reply-To: <000501c6bcbb$af5f4340$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <00c501c6bcc7$0dd3dca0$6401a8c0@who8>

Hello!
Understood. This is one of the novels that BBC Press is presenting to the
many fans. It takes place during the 1980s, which is when the PDP-11 design
was king, and the DG Nova-4 and Eclipse (MVIII I think) was trying to unseat
it.

 It's also an interesting exploration into the hacking community that was
just beginning to emerge and still exists today, with the crackers taking
over from the hackers, and hackers doing what they do best; spend all day
and sometimes all night working on a problem. Now if anyone actually wants
the title and year it came out, please ask off list.

As I said before, it features the Sixth Doctor. I think I know which one you
mean, I do know there was a mini involved in "Inferno" which did feature Jon
Pertwee. Which naturally isn't the one you're thinking of.

And now back to our regularly scheduled discussions and arguments.
--
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org]
On Behalf
> Of Bill Cunningham
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: [TUHS] Porting UNIX...
> 
>     Actually  what I meant Gregg was Jon Pertwee was the Doctor back in
the
> '60s which is the time period you were referring to, and Troughton too I
> guess. That reminds me of an episode called "The time..." something or
other
> with Roger Delgado. They were trying to do something with some type of
> computer obviously an old mini of some type and some anciet artifact.
There
> were toggle switches and lights. Otherwise it certainly didn't look like
and
> PDP that I've ever seen in pictures. Just to get close to one of those old
> things would be breathtaking. Before my time though.
> 
> Bill
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs



From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 07:49:46 2006
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Madcrow Maxwell)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:49:46 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Building a tape IMAGE of Fred's Ultrix-11 3.1
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0608101449h4c493f98x26e7f7888d8ddb00@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded the tape building kit of Fred's enhanced Ultrix 3.1 and
set about trying to build an image file suitable for use with SIMH. As
simply modifying the included script to write to a normal file instead
of a (non-existant) tape device failed, I tried doing things by hand,
running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file. While this
produced a file that looked about the right size, it didn't work with
SIMH as mounting it to the emulated TK50 device and booting produced:

HALT instruction, PC: 016300 (CLR R3)

Any help on how to get a working image available so that my nerdy
history project can proceed?

Mike "Madcrow" K.


From aek at bitsavers.org  Fri Aug 11 12:12:23 2006
From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:12:23 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1155261602.66367.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>




>  I tried doing things by hand,
> running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
> the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file.

You need to put file marks between everything logically 'dd'-ed

In the .tap format, file marks are four bytes of 0.
End of tape should have two sets of file marks (eight bytes of 0)

FWIW, I sent warren a .tap image of Ultrix 2.0. Never heard anything from
him about it.






From wkt at tuhs.org  Fri Aug 11 13:12:07 2006
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:12:07 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
References: <mailman.3.1155261602.66367.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
Message-ID: <20060811031207.GA94820@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
> FWIW, I sent warren a .tap image of Ultrix 2.0. Never heard anything from
> him about it.

Sorry Al, it's been on the pile of things to do :-(
What's the copyright/release status of Ultrix 2.0?

	Warren


From jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es  Fri Aug 11 18:26:37 2006
From: jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es (Jose R. Valverde)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:26:37 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Building a tape IMAGE of Fred's Ultrix-11 3.1
In-Reply-To: <8dd2d95c0608101449h4c493f98x26e7f7888d8ddb00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8dd2d95c0608101449h4c493f98x26e7f7888d8ddb00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060811102637.4608e8b0.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>

I made (some time ago) a copy of many of the images I've been using
on my FTP. Among them a working image of ultrix-3.1:

	ftp://ftp.es.embnet.org/pub/misc/emul/images/SIMH

I now see I've run out of disk space, so I'll have to move a lot of
things to a new disk any time soon now which might cause momentary 
lapses in accessibility. Other than that, once the space problem is
fixed, I'll post as well a  modification to the tape-to-file program
I made for my own use which works like a charm.

				j

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:49:46 -0400
"Madcrow Maxwell" <madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I downloaded the tape building kit of Fred's enhanced Ultrix 3.1 and
> set about trying to build an image file suitable for use with SIMH. As
> simply modifying the included script to write to a normal file instead
> of a (non-existant) tape device failed, I tried doing things by hand,
> running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
> the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file. While this
> produced a file that looked about the right size, it didn't work with
> SIMH as mounting it to the emulated TK50 device and booting produced:
> 
> HALT instruction, PC: 016300 (CLR R3)
> 
> Any help on how to get a working image available so that my nerdy
> history project can proceed?
> 
> Mike "Madcrow" K.
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
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From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 22:44:04 2006
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Madcrow Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:44:04 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
References: <mailman.3.1155261602.66367.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0608110544h3475e39ax932210ec3010c283@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, I could create that file by "dd if=/dev/zero of=filesep bs=1
count=4" and then insert one copy of filesep between every tape file
and put two at the end. If it works, I'll post the script in
gratitude. Thanks.

Mike "Madcrow" K.

On 8/10/06, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> >  I tried doing things by hand,
> > running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
> > the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file.
>
> You need to put file marks between everything logically 'dd'-ed
>
> In the .tap format, file marks are four bytes of 0.
> End of tape should have two sets of file marks (eight bytes of 0)
>
> FWIW, I sent warren a .tap image of Ultrix 2.0. Never heard anything from
> him about it.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>


From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 22:35:52 2006
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Madcrow Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:35:52 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Building a tape IMAGE of Fred's Ultrix-11 3.1
In-Reply-To: <20060811102637.4608e8b0.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
References: <8dd2d95c0608101449h4c493f98x26e7f7888d8ddb00@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060811102637.4608e8b0.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0608110535s3445a6c0ye14b44d3df69a2ff@mail.gmail.com>

That's a good archive. One suggestion I would would be to compress the
images. That might save enough disk space so that you don't have to go
and buy a new hard drive. It would also make life easier for us poor
shlubs stuck on 56K dialup ;)

Mike "Madcrow" K.

On 8/11/06, Jose R. Valverde <jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es> wrote:
> I made (some time ago) a copy of many of the images I've been using
> on my FTP. Among them a working image of ultrix-3.1:
>
>         ftp://ftp.es.embnet.org/pub/misc/emul/images/SIMH
>
> I now see I've run out of disk space, so I'll have to move a lot of
> things to a new disk any time soon now which might cause momentary
> lapses in accessibility. Other than that, once the space problem is
> fixed, I'll post as well a  modification to the tape-to-file program
> I made for my own use which works like a charm.
>
>                                 j
>
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:49:46 -0400
> "Madcrow Maxwell" <madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I downloaded the tape building kit of Fred's enhanced Ultrix 3.1 and
> > set about trying to build an image file suitable for use with SIMH. As
> > simply modifying the included script to write to a normal file instead
> > of a (non-existant) tape device failed, I tried doing things by hand,
> > running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
> > the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file. While this
> > produced a file that looked about the right size, it didn't work with
> > SIMH as mounting it to the emulated TK50 device and booting produced:
> >
> > HALT instruction, PC: 016300 (CLR R3)
> >
> > Any help on how to get a working image available so that my nerdy
> > history project can proceed?
> >
> > Mike "Madcrow" K.
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUHS mailing list
> > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>
>
>
>


From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 23:25:07 2006
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Madcrow Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:25:07 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <8dd2d95c0608110544h3475e39ax932210ec3010c283@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1155261602.66367.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
	<8dd2d95c0608110544h3475e39ax932210ec3010c283@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0608110625u88f0b5arbfabb557c87c1a11@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, it doesn't seem to work. I run the following script:

# This shell script builds a full ULTRIX-11 V3.1 master
# distribution tape on a TK50 boot tape image. It
# is based on a tape dump provided by Wilko Bulte, and
# maintains all original files.
#
# Author: Fred N. van Kempen <fred at microwalt.nl>
#         ... with the support of many, now and in the past.
# Modified by: Michael "Madcrow" Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com>
#
#
# Several of the included tools were either developed by
# others trying to read or create tapes, or come from the
# ULTRIX-11 source distribution kit.

TAPE=./ultrix-3.1.tk50

  echo Creating ULTRIX-11 V3.1 Master Distribution on TK50.
  echo "----------------------------------------------------"
  echo ""

  if [ ! -f ./maketape ]; then
        echo Compiling MAKETAPE tool...
        gcc -o ./maketape src/maketape.c
  fi

  if [ ! -f ./tdtk50.bv ]; then
        echo 'Generating the Tape Definition file (for TK50)...'
        cp src/tdtk50.bv ./tdtk50.bv
  fi

  if [ ! -f ./filesep ]; then
        echo 'Generating the Tape File Seperator...'
        dd if=/dev/zero of=./filesep bs=1 count=4
  fi

  # Create the first tape file with uboot, boot and /sas.
  echo Creating boot record on tape...
  ./maketape ./step1 ./tdtk50.bv

  # Add the rest of the tape stuff and create the final image
  echo Generating tape image
  cat ./step1 ./filesep fs/md-sas.dsk ./filesep data/file14 ./filesep
data/file15 ./filesep data/file16 ./filesep data/file17 ./filesep
data/file18 ./filesep data/file19 ./filesep data/file20 ./filesep
data/file21 ./filesep data/file22 ./filesep data/file23 ./filesep
data/file24 ./filesep data/file25 ./filesep data/file26 ./filesep
data/file27 ./filesep data/file28 ./filesep data/file29 ./filesep
data/file30 ./filesep data/file31 ./filesep data/file32 ./filesep
data/file33 ./filesep data/file34 ./filesep data/file35 ./filesep
./filesep > $TAPE




  echo ""
  echo "---------------------------------------"
  echo All done !

and get a file of 37939812 bytes, but when I try to boot it in SIMH I
get the same error as before. Could the tape header and initial
records as generated by "maketape" be faulty? The step1 file generated
by maketape is only 45568 bytes and I get the following warnings from
gcc (version 4.1.0) during the maketape compile:

src/maketape.c: In function 'main':
src/maketape.c:28: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of
built-in function 'exit'
src/maketape.c:32: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of
built-in function 'exit'
src/maketape.c:36: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of
built-in function 'exit'
src/maketape.c:43: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of
built-in function 'exit'
src/maketape.c:73: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type

Any help would be much appreciated.

Mike "Madcrow" K.


From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 01:15:45 2006
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Madcrow Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:15:45 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <44DC89E4.8020608@e-bbes.com>
References: <mailman.3.1155261602.66367.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
	<8dd2d95c0608110544h3475e39ax932210ec3010c283@mail.gmail.com>
	<44DC89E4.8020608@e-bbes.com>
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0608110815l6cf84e20m3f8fcfb68b651392@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using SuSE Linux 10.1 to build the tape image.

On 8/11/06, e.stiebler <emu at e-bbes.com> wrote:
> what system are you using to write the tape ?
>
> Madcrow Maxwell wrote:
> > Hmm, I could create that file by "dd if=/dev/zero of=filesep bs=1
> > count=4" and then insert one copy of filesep between every tape file
> > and put two at the end. If it works, I'll post the script in
> > gratitude. Thanks.
> >
> > Mike "Madcrow" K.
> >
> > On 8/10/06, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>  I tried doing things by hand,
> >>> running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
> >>> the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file.
> >> You need to put file marks between everything logically 'dd'-ed
> >>
> >> In the .tap format, file marks are four bytes of 0.
> >> End of tape should have two sets of file marks (eight bytes of 0)
> >>
> >> FWIW, I sent warren a .tap image of Ultrix 2.0. Never heard anything from
> >> him about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TUHS mailing list
> >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUHS mailing list
> > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
> >
>


From billcu1 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 12 06:38:39 2006
From: billcu1 at verizon.net (Bill Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:38:39 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] games and UNIX V7
Message-ID: <000501c6bd86$210857a0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

    Does anyone know if those games available on simh's site called
"Adventure" and "Dungeon" will run on the V7 ?

Bill



From billcu1 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 15 06:23:31 2006
From: billcu1 at verizon.net (Bill Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:23:31 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] games and UNIX V7
References: <000501c6bd86$210857a0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<44E0DA2E.40000@acm.org>
Message-ID: <002e01c6bfdf$863880e0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Barron" <patbarron at acm.org>
To: "Bill Cunningham" <billcu1 at verizon.net>
Cc: <tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TUHS] games and UNIX V7

> At least for "dungeon", those sources have been tweaked for VMS.  It 
> might be possible to un-tweak them to get the V7 f77 compiler to build 
> it, but I've never tried.
> 
> You might have better luck just taking the /usr/games/lib/dungeon binary 
> from 4.2BSD (which is actually a PDP-11 executable that is run in 
> compatibility mode), and seeing if it'll just run on V7.
> 
> --Pat.
> 
    Ok that's the BSD in the tuhs archive right? Just want to make sure.

Bill




From billcu1 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 15 06:31:49 2006
From: billcu1 at verizon.net (Bill Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:31:49 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] games
Message-ID: <000701c6bfe0$abeaa920$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

    You know Pat I looked under PDP and BSD 4.2 directories and I don't
think I'm finding the distro you are meaning. I looked under the VAX
directory to and I'm not finding the system you mentioned.

Bill




From emu at e-bbes.com  Fri Aug 11 23:45:08 2006
From: emu at e-bbes.com (e.stiebler)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:45:08 -0600
Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <8dd2d95c0608110544h3475e39ax932210ec3010c283@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1155261602.66367.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>	<C1013597.275F%aek@bitsavers.org>
	<8dd2d95c0608110544h3475e39ax932210ec3010c283@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44DC89E4.8020608@e-bbes.com>

what system are you using to write the tape ?

Madcrow Maxwell wrote:
> Hmm, I could create that file by "dd if=/dev/zero of=filesep bs=1
> count=4" and then insert one copy of filesep between every tape file
> and put two at the end. If it works, I'll post the script in
> gratitude. Thanks.
> 
> Mike "Madcrow" K.
> 
> On 8/10/06, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>  I tried doing things by hand,
>>> running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
>>> the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file.
>> You need to put file marks between everything logically 'dd'-ed
>>
>> In the .tap format, file marks are four bytes of 0.
>> End of tape should have two sets of file marks (eight bytes of 0)
>>
>> FWIW, I sent warren a .tap image of Ultrix 2.0. Never heard anything from
>> him about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TUHS mailing list
>> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
>> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> 
> 


From patbarron at acm.org  Tue Aug 15 06:16:46 2006
From: patbarron at acm.org (Pat Barron)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:16:46 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] games and UNIX V7
In-Reply-To: <000501c6bd86$210857a0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000501c6bd86$210857a0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <44E0DA2E.40000@acm.org>

Bill Cunningham wrote:
>     Does anyone know if those games available on simh's site called
> "Adventure" and "Dungeon" will run on the V7 ?
>
> Bill
>
> _______________________________________________
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At least for "dungeon", those sources have been tweaked for VMS.  It 
might be possible to un-tweak them to get the V7 f77 compiler to build 
it, but I've never tried.

You might have better luck just taking the /usr/games/lib/dungeon binary 
from 4.2BSD (which is actually a PDP-11 executable that is run in 
compatibility mode), and seeing if it'll just run on V7.

--Pat.




From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 13:28:32 2006
From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:28:32 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Building a tape IMAGE of Fred's Ultrix-11 3.1
In-Reply-To: <20060811102637.4608e8b0.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
References: <8dd2d95c0608101449h4c493f98x26e7f7888d8ddb00@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060811102637.4608e8b0.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
Message-ID: <18d205ed0608142028r6ae0d79eve1665884f063fa69@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
I have to admit that these are nice images. However what's the default
or root password for the NetBSD image? There are somethings I want to
try using it, and as it happens without that I can not get in. It also
requires that I change things inside it to match my network, but
that's of secondary importance as it happens.

Also you should actually compress each image using either the gzip or
bzip2 programs. Of the two I suggest the bzip2 one.
-- 
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature was once found posting rude
 messages in English in the Moscow subway."

On 8/11/06, Jose R. Valverde <jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es> wrote:
> I made (some time ago) a copy of many of the images I've been using
> on my FTP. Among them a working image of ultrix-3.1:
>
>         ftp://ftp.es.embnet.org/pub/misc/emul/images/SIMH
>
> I now see I've run out of disk space, so I'll have to move a lot of
> things to a new disk any time soon now which might cause momentary
> lapses in accessibility. Other than that, once the space problem is
> fixed, I'll post as well a  modification to the tape-to-file program
> I made for my own use which works like a charm.
>
>                                 j
>
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:49:46 -0400
> "Madcrow Maxwell" <madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I downloaded the tape building kit of Fred's enhanced Ultrix 3.1 and
> > set about trying to build an image file suitable for use with SIMH. As
> > simply modifying the included script to write to a normal file instead
> > of a (non-existant) tape device failed, I tried doing things by hand,
> > running maketape and then "cat"ing the file it created along with all
> > the other  files "dd"ed by the script into a single file. While this
> > produced a file that looked about the right size, it didn't work with
> > SIMH as mounting it to the emulated TK50 device and booting produced:
> >
> > HALT instruction, PC: 016300 (CLR R3)
> >
> > Any help on how to get a working image available so that my nerdy
> > history project can proceed?
> >
> > Mike "Madcrow" K.
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From vasco at icpnet.pl  Tue Aug 15 21:21:19 2006
From: vasco at icpnet.pl (Andrzej Popielewicz)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:21:19 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Building a tape IMAGE of Fred's Ultrix-11 3.1
In-Reply-To: <18d205ed0608142028r6ae0d79eve1665884f063fa69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8dd2d95c0608101449h4c493f98x26e7f7888d8ddb00@mail.gmail.com>	<20060811102637.4608e8b0.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es>
	<18d205ed0608142028r6ae0d79eve1665884f063fa69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E1AE2F.8040409@icpnet.pl>

Użytkownik Gregg Levine napisał:

>Hello!
>I have to admit that these are nice images. However what's the default
>or root password for the NetBSD image? 
>  
>

At least for Ultrix 11 3.x I was able to change the root password using 
passwd command in single user mode.

Check
http://main2.amu.edu.pl/~apopiele/pdp11.html

Andrzej


From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 03:44:50 2006
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Madcrow Maxwell)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:44:50 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Still no luck building an Ultrix-11 image for SIMH
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0608151044q384f1ad2l9eb98779f48bd259@mail.gmail.com>

I've already posted all sorts of information previously, but the
thread seems to have gotten caught in some downtime over the weekend.
Anyway, does anybody have any idea what I might be doing wrong?

Prior posts are in the web archive.

Michael "Madcrow" K.


From patbarron at acm.org  Fri Aug 18 07:05:54 2006
From: patbarron at acm.org (Pat Barron)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:05:54 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] games
In-Reply-To: <000701c6bfe0$abeaa920$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000701c6bfe0$abeaa920$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <44E4DA32.1020609@acm.org>

Bill Cunningham wrote:
>     You know Pat I looked under PDP and BSD 4.2 directories and I don't
> think I'm finding the distro you are meaning. I looked under the VAX
> directory to and I'm not finding the system you mentioned.
>
> Bill
>
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Hi - Sorry for the delayed response.  It is here:

http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/4.2BSD/

You will need to download the "usr.tar.gz" archive, and extract these 
files from it:

games/lib/dungeon
games/lib/doverlay
games/lib/dtext.dat
games/lib/dindex.dat

The file "games/lib/compat" is the compatibility mode "stub", that can 
run a binary in PDP-11 compatibility mode, does system call emulation 
(it looks like, at one time, it even supported running RT-11 binaries), 
and stuff like that.  It actually uses the PDP-11 compatibility mode of 
the VAX (i.e., it is not a PDP-11 emulator), so it only works on VAXen 
that have compatibility mode.

Anyway, I suspect that if you take the binaries I've mentioned above, 
and drop them into your V7 filesystem under /usr (so that the files end 
up in /usr/games/lib), it may simply run.

Good luck!

--Pat.



