From abel at damimi.org  Sat Dec  9 00:47:45 2006
From: abel at damimi.org (Abel)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:47:45 +0500
Subject: [TUHS] booting vanilla v7 on simh problem
Message-ID: <20061208194745.47519811.abel@damimi.org>


While looking for virgin/vanilla v6 and v7 tapes to boot on simh, I'm kinda stuck.
And since simh mailing list wasn't much help, cuz seems there mostly vax/vms guys,
maybe it's someone here to help me out.
V6.tape from Ken Wellsch was quite easy to boot, by cutting three rk images directly
from it by means of "dd", then booting the root image and mounting source and doc
where it should belong. Also it boots nicely in more traditional way off the
tape by using "ltap" script from "www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os" and then following
the standard install procedure for v6.
The same "ltap" set of commands or it's slightly shorter version like this one:

d 100000 012700
d 100002 172526
d 100004 010040
d 100006 012740
d 100010 060003
d 100012 172522
d 100014 105737
d 100016 172522
d -h 100020 80FD
d 100022 005007
run 100000

boots "catted" in one file Keith Bostic v7 bits of tape, up to the

Boot
:

promt. But when calling mkfs or restor programs by "tm(0,3)" or "tm(0,4)",
the simh just hangs indefinitely. Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong maybe?
 	
	Thank you.

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From Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de  Sat Dec  9 03:01:42 2006
From: Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de (Hellwig Geisse)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:01:42 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] booting vanilla v7 on simh problem
In-Reply-To: <20061208194745.47519811.abel@damimi.org>
References: <20061208194745.47519811.abel@damimi.org>
Message-ID: <1165597302.4954.79.camel@papa>

Hi,

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 19:47 +0500, Abel wrote:
> While looking for virgin/vanilla v6 and v7 tapes to boot on simh, I'm kinda stuck.
> And since simh mailing list wasn't much help, cuz seems there mostly vax/vms guys,
> maybe it's someone here to help me out.

I managed to run v7 on simh from the original tape files
quite a while ago. Because I too had some difficulties to
do that, I recorded all steps in a "HowTo" and packed it up
together with the sources of simh and the tape files. You
might find some helpful information there:
http://homepages.fh-giessen.de/~hg53/pdp11-unix/

Good luck,
Hellwig



From abel at damimi.org  Sat Dec  9 13:19:05 2006
From: abel at damimi.org (Abel)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 03:19:05 +0000
Subject: [TUHS] booting vanilla v7 on simh problem
In-Reply-To: <1165597302.4954.79.camel@papa>
References: <20061208194745.47519811.abel@damimi.org>
	<1165597302.4954.79.camel@papa>
Message-ID: <20061209031905.457881f2.abel@damimi.org>

Thank you so much.  Just the thing i needed.
Curious though why the date is set to 31 dec 1969, and some file timestamps are there as well.
I dlded 7-0 old and made rp04 system with it. Wasn't able to boot it from the disk image though.
Nevertheless it boots nicely from the tape. Will check your 7-4 later.
Again many thanks for ur help.

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From gunnarr at acm.org  Thu Dec 21 02:48:39 2006
From: gunnarr at acm.org (Gunnar Ritter)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:48:39 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] SCCS source code available
Message-ID: <45896967.OuKmTQRjFz7tdCbc%gunnarr@acm.org>

Hi,

Sun has released the source code to the SCCS version
control system:

<http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=79598&tstart=0#79598>

I have created a portable variant of it at
<http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/devtools.html>.

	Gunnar


From cowan at ccil.org  Thu Dec 21 07:19:50 2006
From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:19:50 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] SCCS source code available
In-Reply-To: <45896967.OuKmTQRjFz7tdCbc%gunnarr@acm.org>
References: <45896967.OuKmTQRjFz7tdCbc%gunnarr@acm.org>
Message-ID: <20061220211950.GF29184@ccil.org>

Gunnar Ritter scripsit:

> I have created a portable variant of it at
> <http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/devtools.html>.

Thanks!  This will be very helpful.  I found two portability problems:
"install" on modern systems is not in /usr/ucb (in fact, there is no
/usr/ucb), and the definition of nodenamelength in mpwlib/lockit.c uses
the non-portable constant SYS_NMLN.  I changed this to the constant 257,
which appears to be the usual default value.

-- 
John Cowan  cowan at ccil.org    http://ccil.org/~cowan
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
continent, a part of the main.  If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friends or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for
whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.  --John Donne


From billcu2 at verizon.net  Thu Dec 21 09:36:21 2006
From: billcu2 at verizon.net (Bill Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:36:21 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] V7 prompts
Message-ID: <000201c7248f$a898fbf0$2f01a8c0@YOUR24A567B3D2>

    Hellwig,

It's been a long time since I've been able to play with the simulator. Now I 
can't seem to get into V7. Can you point to me the page online because I 
don't have a .ps viewer that shows the commands again with the tapes and 
disks. tm(0,3) and so on.

Bill



From Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de  Thu Dec 21 18:23:27 2006
From: Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de (Hellwig Geisse)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:23:27 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] V7 prompts
In-Reply-To: <000201c7248f$a898fbf0$2f01a8c0@YOUR24A567B3D2>
References: <000201c7248f$a898fbf0$2f01a8c0@YOUR24A567B3D2>
Message-ID: <1166689407.4946.60.camel@papa>

Hi Bill,

On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 18:36 -0500, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> It's been a long time since I've been able to play with the simulator. Now I 
> can't seem to get into V7. Can you point to me the page online because I 
> don't have a .ps viewer that shows the commands again with the tapes and 
> disks. tm(0,3) and so on.

if you only want to log-in into a system that has
already been generated, you find the instructions
to do this in my package. In case you want to setup
a new system from the tape files, you can find the
complete set of V7 manuals here:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/
with vol2/setup being the document you are looking for.
Formats include PDF, PostScript, and troff source.

Regards,
Hellwig



