From robinb at ruffnready.co.uk  Tue Aug  6 16:45:04 2002
From: robinb at ruffnready.co.uk (Robin Birch)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:45:04 +0100
Subject: [pups] Message for Steve Schultz
Message-ID: <xNc2+ZCwB3T9EwCM@falstaf.demon.co.uk>

Hi Steve,
Long time no chat.  Can't get through to your email on moe so can you 
amend my email address for patch distributions to 
robinb at ruffnready.co.uk.  Attempting to stem the tide of spam :-(

Cheers

Robin


From lion at apocalypse.org  Thu Aug  8 16:17:20 2002
From: lion at apocalypse.org (Michael)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:17:20 -0400
Subject: [pups] 2.11BSD on non separate I&D systems?
Message-ID: <p05111a03b977bc56fc8c@[192.48.232.56]>

Hi folks,

Forgive me in case this question has been asked before..

Has anyone done anything to try and get 2.11BSD working
on non-separate I&D PDP-11s?

One of the various READMEs I ran across said it might be possible
with some creative memory layouts using overlays.

I briefly searched the PUPS mail archives but turned up
nothing.

Thanks,

-- Michael
lion at apocalypse.org


From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl  Thu Aug  8 18:17:15 2002
From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:17:15 +0200
Subject: [pups] 2.11BSD on non separate I&D systems?
Message-ID: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F7721401FEC8@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>

Hi,

> Has anyone done anything to try and get 2.11BSD working
> on non-separate I&D PDP-11s?
> 
> One of the various READMEs I ran across said it might be possible
> with some creative memory layouts using overlays.
> 
> I briefly searched the PUPS mail archives but turned up
> nothing.
No way.  It already relies heavily on overlays to get things
done.  Even without the networking code (which requires I&D,
*and* Supervisor mode), there is pretty much no way to get it
to fit (even a small system) within a 64K space.

If you really need a UNIX that (slowly ;-) fits in the nonID
space, ytu Ultrix-11.  That fits, although its very slow on such 
machines.

Cheers,
	Fred


From cmcnabb at vt.edu  Wed Aug 14 04:06:07 2002
From: cmcnabb at vt.edu (Christopher McNabb)
Date: 13 Aug 2002 14:06:07 -0400
Subject: [pups] Unix on a PDP-11/24
Message-ID: <1029261967.4542.0.camel@cmlaptop>

I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80.  What are my options
for running Unix?
-- 
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From bill at cs.scranton.edu  Wed Aug 14 04:16:32 2002
From: bill at cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:16:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pups] Unix on a PDP-11/24
In-Reply-To: <1029261967.4542.0.camel@cmlaptop>
Message-ID: <20020813141527.E22691-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>

On 13 Aug 2002, Christopher McNabb wrote:

> I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80.  What are my options
> for running Unix?
>

Ultrix-11 if you can get a 9-track tape drive. :-)

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill at cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>



From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl  Wed Aug 14 05:18:48 2002
From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:18:48 +0200
Subject: [pups] Unix on a PDP-11/24
Message-ID: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F772146822@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>

> I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80.  What are 
> my options for running Unix?
Either a small system like V7, or Ultrix-11.

And no, you don't need a tape drive... as long as you have a PC
around, and the PDP-11 has a serial port, you can use my VTserver
package to install Ultrix over the console port.

Cheers,
	Fred


From iking at microsoft.com  Wed Aug 14 05:27:54 2002
From: iking at microsoft.com (Ian King)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:27:54 -0700
Subject: [pups] Unix on a PDP-11/24
Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C057A234E@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

You could also run Unix v6, if you're of a historical bent; 2.9BSD
should run with no problems; and possibly v7, if you have the 22-bit
address bus and enough RAM.  Keep in mind that if there isn't a
distribution for your machine, you can build one on an emulator, then
create a disk image.  However, with v6 I ran the 11/40 image on an 11/34
and was able to rebuild for my hardware.  

Warren wrote a neat tool to get bits onto a machine over a serial line;
it takes a while (at 9600 baud!), but it works.  Look on the PUPS site
under VTserver; don't worry that there probably isn't an installation
package for a given version or machine, there's a way to run a small
client on a PC that can talk to a bootstrap on the target machine.  --
Ian 

DISCLAIMER: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain - or to my
email address.  These rantings are my personal statements, and not a
product of my employer.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill at cs.scranton.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:17 AM
To: Unix_Preservation_List
Subject: Re: [pups] Unix on a PDP-11/24


On 13 Aug 2002, Christopher McNabb wrote:

> I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80.  What are my 
> options for running Unix?
>

Ultrix-11 if you can get a 9-track tape drive. :-)

bill

-- 
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wolves
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From kevin at ps8.co.uk  Thu Aug 15 21:16:56 2002
From: kevin at ps8.co.uk (Kevin Murrell)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:16:56 +0100
Subject: [pups] Vtserver, BSD2.11 and brain_fatigue
Message-ID: <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAIEAHDDAA.kevin@ps8.co.uk>

Hi all

Firstly, I have done this before, but due to age/stress/tiredness/whatever,
I can't remember what I did!

I am using Warren's/Fred's vtserver program to install BSD2.11 on an 11/53.

I have installed the root.dump file (and all the steps beforehand) and now
my '53 boots into 2.11.  So far so good!

I now need to restore the usr file systems - all the stuff in file6/7/8.tar

How do I do this still using Vtserver.

Someone remind me please!

Regards


Kevin Murrell



From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl  Thu Aug 15 22:22:48 2002
From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:22:48 +0200
Subject: [pups] Vtserver, BSD2.11 and brain_fatigue
In-Reply-To: <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAIEAHDDAA.kevin@ps8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000101c24456$791969a0$c401a8c0@WKSFred>

That's the nasty part of the whole thing.

VTserver support is ONLY present in the SAS part of the BSD and Ultrix
systems I patched.  So, once you're out of the SAS part (read: once you
have your machine booting into Unix by itself), you no longer have a 
link to the VT services.

Two solutions to that:

1.  Use the VTclient program to basically do the same the SAS stuff
    does, but from within the Unix system.  I have added VTclient to
    the base dist (root fs) of Ultrix-11, and that worked.  Ultrix,
    by the way, also installs the /usr file system in the SAS phase,
    so that's not a problem to begin with.  For BSD, we could do the
    same: have an /sbin/vtc and use that to extract the usr fs from
    the VT server using a commandline such as:

		(cd /; umask 0; /sbin/vtc -F 5 | tar xfvp -)

    which extracts tape file #5 (thats the usr fs, if memory serves me
    right) on the VTserver, and runs it through "tar" to extract and 
    install it.  This REQUIRES the console line to be in 8N1 mode,
    obviously, and this is not always the case !!!!

2.  While still in the SAS phase, create a disk, partition or volume,
    and copy the usr fs onto that in raw (tar{.Z}) mode.  Once the
    Unix system boots by itself, mount the extra volume, and unpack
    the tar fs to its proper location.

Icky, huh? :)

--f


> -----Original Message-----
> From: pups-admin at minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:pups-admin at minnie.tuhs.org]On
> Behalf Of Kevin Murrell
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:17 PM
> To: Pups Mailing List
> Subject: [pups] Vtserver, BSD2.11 and brain_fatigue
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Firstly, I have done this before, but due to 
> age/stress/tiredness/whatever,
> I can't remember what I did!
> 
> I am using Warren's/Fred's vtserver program to install 
> BSD2.11 on an 11/53.
> 
> I have installed the root.dump file (and all the steps 
> beforehand) and now
> my '53 boots into 2.11.  So far so good!
> 
> I now need to restore the usr file systems - all the stuff in 
> file6/7/8.tar
> 
> How do I do this still using Vtserver.
> 
> Someone remind me please!
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Kevin Murrell
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PUPS mailing list
> PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups
> 



From langj at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug 16 01:49:23 2002
From: langj at bellsouth.net (joseph c lang)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:49:23 -0400
Subject: [pups] Vtserver, BSD2.11 and brain_fatigue
References: <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAIEAHDDAA.kevin@ps8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D5BCD83.C7E55FA9@bellsouth.net>

I used vtc to transfer the tar files after bsd was running.

http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/vtc.htm

I also had to break the tar files into smaller pieces and delete some
stuff
to fit my limited disk space.

It's slow but it works!

joe lang

Kevin Murrell wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Firstly, I have done this before, but due to age/stress/tiredness/whatever,
> I can't remember what I did!
> 
> I am using Warren's/Fred's vtserver program to install BSD2.11 on an 11/53.
> 
> I have installed the root.dump file (and all the steps beforehand) and now
> my '53 boots into 2.11.  So far so good!
> 
> I now need to restore the usr file systems - all the stuff in file6/7/8.tar
> 
> How do I do this still using Vtserver.
> 
> Someone remind me please!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Kevin Murrell
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PUPS mailing list
> PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups


From lars at fwn.rug.nl  Sun Aug 18 19:43:57 2002
From: lars at fwn.rug.nl (Lars Buitinck)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:43:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pups] PDP-9?
Message-ID: <1029663837.3d5f6c5d30faa@w3.fwn.rug.nl>

we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on the PDP-11/20,
but does anyone know anything about PDP-9 UNIX?  it\'s mentioned in \"The
UNIX Time-Sharing System\" in the V7 manual:

\"The earliest [version of UNIX] (circa 1969-70) ran on the Digital
Equipment Corporation PDP-7 and -9 computers.\"

--
If I travelled to the end of the rainbow
As Dame Fortune did intend
Murphy would be there to tell me
The pot is at the other end

Lars


From bqt at update.uu.se  Mon Aug 19 04:04:41 2002
From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:04:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pups] PDP-9?
In-Reply-To: <1029663837.3d5f6c5d30faa@w3.fwn.rug.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208182002240.5130-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lars Buitinck wrote:

> we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on the PDP-11/20,
> but does anyone know anything about PDP-9 UNIX?  it\'s mentioned in \"The
> UNIX Time-Sharing System\" in the V7 manual:
> 
> \"The earliest [version of UNIX] (circa 1969-70) ran on the Digital
> Equipment Corporation PDP-7 and -9 computers.\"

Hmmm, I cannot exactly answer that, but the PDP-7 and PDP-9 were both
18-bit machines, and somewhat compatible, I believe.
The whole line is (I believe):

PDP-4 -> PDP-7 -> PDP-9 -> PDP-15

So I guess that if you had it running on a PDP-7, you could probably
almost take the code unmodified and run it on the PDP-9.
The PDP-15 have a different bus (Unibus?) I believe, and thus,
peripherials are different from the predecessors.
This obviosuly affects the OS. :-)

	Johnny

Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se           ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol



From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl  Mon Aug 19 07:59:02 2002
From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:59:02 +0200
Subject: [pups] Dilog DQ686, anyone?
Message-ID: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F7721401FF1D@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>

Hey gang,

Does anyone have an online manual or other info for the DQ686
ESDI disk controller from Dilog?  I'm trying to fix a VAX 4,
which as that beastie...

Thanks,
	Fred


From jkunz at maja.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de  Mon Aug 19 19:20:15 2002
From: jkunz at maja.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:20:15 +0200
Subject: [pups] Dilog DQ686, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F7721401FF1D@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>
References: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F7721401FF1D@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>
Message-ID: <20020819092015.GA3347@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>

On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 11:59:02PM +0200, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:

> Does anyone have an online manual or other info for the DQ686
> ESDI disk controller from Dilog?  I'm trying to fix a VAX 4,
> which as that beastie...
I have a DQ686 in my MicroVAX III runing 4.3BSD-Tahoe and a DQ696
in my PDP11/83 runing 2.11BSD. I don't have a manual for them.
All I have is a .txt that describes the DIP switch settings of 
the DQ696 and the commands to invoke the firmware setup of the DQ686:
>>>D/P/L 20088004 80000001 <cr>
>>>D/P/W 20001f40 20 <cr>
>>>D/P/W 2000146a 3FFF <cr>
>>>S 200 <CR> 
[or for GPX version]
>>>S 218 <cr>

If you can get the description of the DIP switch settings of
the DQ686, please part with us. :-) 
-- 



tsch��,
         Jochen

Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/



From cdl at mpl.ucsd.edu  Mon Aug 19 09:58:49 2002
From: cdl at mpl.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:58:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pups] Dilog DQ686, anyone?
Message-ID: <200208182358.QAA02194@opihi.ucsd.edu>

> From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl>
> To: <pups at minnie.tuhs.org>
> Subject: [pups] Dilog DQ686, anyone?
> 
> Hey gang,
> 
> Does anyone have an online manual or other info for the DQ686
> ESDI disk controller from Dilog?  I'm trying to fix a VAX 4,
> which as that beastie...

There is a manual for the DQ696, which is essentially the same thing
except it controls 2 drives not 4.  It was last seen by me at

< http://www.miim.com/documents/dilog/dq696.zip >.

It is zip-compressed MSWord.

    carl
-- 
    carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
                                                 clowenst at ucsd.edu


From dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com  Wed Aug 21 13:55:55 2002
From: dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com (Dennis Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:55:55 -0400
Subject: [pups] re: PDP-9
Message-ID: <8bef78f335e274ebd82d30a31ac9c3d8@plan9.bell-labs.com>

Bilquist said (quoting Buitinck):

 > > we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on the PDP-11/20,
 > > but does anyone know anything about PDP-9 UNIX?  it\'s mentioned in \"The
 > > UNIX Time-Sharing System\" in the V7 manual:
 > > 
 > > \"The earliest [version of UNIX] (circa 1969-70) ran on the Digital
 > > Equipment Corporation PDP-7 and -9 computers.\"

 > Hmmm, I cannot exactly answer that, but the PDP-7 and PDP-9 were both
 > 18-bit machines, and somewhat compatible, I believe.
 > The whole line is (I believe):

 > PDP-4 -> PDP-7 -> PDP-9 -> PDP-15

 > So I guess that if you had it running on a PDP-7, you could probably
 > almost take the code unmodified and run it on the PDP-9.
 > The PDP-15 have a different bus (Unibus?) I believe, and thus,
 > peripherials are different from the predecessors.
 > This obviosuly affects the OS. :-)

The 7, 9, 15 were very compatible.  I think the -15
had some scheme for using an index register, which
the earlier ones didn't have, but it was otherwise
pretty much identical in IS architecture.

There was very little rewriting to try Unix out
on the -9 and -15; perhaps just some tweaks in
the disk device commands.  I don't think the
system actually ran on either for more than a few
hours.  Ken was just playing around.

The -15 may have had an electrically different
bus, but I'm reasonably sure it was not a Unibus.
All of them used IOT instructions, not memory-mapped
IO registers.

Both of the machines we tried were being used by other groups
and we couldn't squat on them as with the PDP-7.
I recall that  the -15's main job was controlling a
step-and-repeat camera that exposed LSI masks.

	Dennis



From IVIE at cc.usu.edu  Wed Aug 21 18:01:07 2002
From: IVIE at cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:01:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pups] Re: PDP-9
Message-ID: <01KLJHDIATV69D4L6T@cc.usu.edu>

Dennis Ritchie said:
> The 7, 9, 15 were very compatible.  I think the -15
> had some scheme for using an index register, which
> the earlier ones didn't have, but it was otherwise
> pretty much identical in IS architecture.

According to Gordon Bell's "Computer Engineering", the primary differences
from the -4 to the -7 were switching from 6-bit to ASCII I/O devices and
the addition of a trap mechanism. The -9 primarily changed the memory
system, going to 2-1/2D core; it was also microcoded. The -15 went to
TTL ICs and added index registers and memory relocation. He says
"The PDP-9 instruction compatibility was acheived with three minor
exceptions about which no complaints were received", although I don't
see an explanation of the exceptions.

http://research.microsoft.com/users/GBell/Computer_Engineering/

-- 
Roger Ivie
ivie at cc.usu.edu


From alsbergt at zoopee.org  Wed Aug 21 19:07:53 2002
From: alsbergt at zoopee.org (Tom Alsberg)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:07:53 +0300
Subject: [pups] Test message
Message-ID: <20020821090753.GA17546@zoopee.org>

This is a test message, please ignore it.

  -- Tom

-- 
  Tom Alsberg - certified insane, complete illiterate.
        e-mail: <alsbergt at softhome.net>
	Homepage: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~alsbergt/
  * An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.


From lars at nocrew.org  Wed Aug 21 19:19:18 2002
From: lars at nocrew.org (Lars Brinkhoff)
Date: 21 Aug 2002 11:19:18 +0200
Subject: [pups] re: PDP-9
In-Reply-To: <8bef78f335e274ebd82d30a31ac9c3d8@plan9.bell-labs.com>
References: <8bef78f335e274ebd82d30a31ac9c3d8@plan9.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <85hehovaax.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>

Dennis Ritchie <dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com> writes:
> The 7, 9, 15 were very compatible.  [...]  There was very little
> rewriting to try Unix out on the -9 and -15; perhaps just some
> tweaks in the disk device commands.  I don't think the system
> actually ran on either for more than a few hours.  Ken was just
> playing around.

No attempts to run on a PDP-4, then?

-- 
Lars Brinkhoff          http://lars.nocrew.org/     Linux, GCC, PDP-10,
Brinkhoff Consulting    http://www.brinkhoff.se/    HTTP programming


From bqt at update.uu.se  Wed Aug 21 19:21:08 2002
From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:21:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pups] re: PDP-9
In-Reply-To: <8bef78f335e274ebd82d30a31ac9c3d8@plan9.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208211114550.23988-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Dennis Ritchie wrote:

> Bilquist said (quoting Buitinck):
> 
>  > So I guess that if you had it running on a PDP-7, you could probably
>  > almost take the code unmodified and run it on the PDP-9.
>  > The PDP-15 have a different bus (Unibus?) I believe, and thus,
>  > peripherials are different from the predecessors.
>  > This obviosuly affects the OS. :-)
> 
> The 7, 9, 15 were very compatible.  I think the -15
> had some scheme for using an index register, which
> the earlier ones didn't have, but it was otherwise
> pretty much identical in IS architecture.
> 
> There was very little rewriting to try Unix out
> on the -9 and -15; perhaps just some tweaks in
> the disk device commands.  I don't think the
> system actually ran on either for more than a few
> hours.  Ken was just playing around.

About as I suspected then.
Interesting to hear that the grade of compatibility was that high. I've
neved had the chance to play with any 18-bitters.

> The -15 may have had an electrically different
> bus, but I'm reasonably sure it was not a Unibus.
> All of them used IOT instructions, not memory-mapped
> IO registers.

The Unibus do not require a memory mapped I/O model, though. And it does
have 18 address and data bits. (Two data bits are used for parity on a
PDP-11.)
The DEC-2020 also used a Unibus.

	Johnny

Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se           ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol



From lars at fwn.rug.nl  Wed Aug 21 19:34:58 2002
From: lars at fwn.rug.nl (Lars Buitinck)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pups] PDP-9
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208211114550.23988-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208211114550.23988-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>
Message-ID: <1029922498.3d635ec2440ee@w3.fwn.rug.nl>

Thus spake Johnny Billquist unto PUPS:
> The DEC-2020 also used a Unibus.

2020?  a PDP-10 model?

--
If I travelled to the end of the rainbow
As Dame Fortune did intend
Murphy would be there to tell me
The pot is at the other end

Lars


From bqt at update.uu.se  Wed Aug 21 19:57:14 2002
From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:57:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pups] PDP-9
In-Reply-To: <1029922498.3d635ec2440ee@w3.fwn.rug.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208211154310.23988-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Lars Buitinck wrote:

> Thus spake Johnny Billquist unto PUPS:
> > The DEC-2020 also used a Unibus.
> 
> 2020?  a PDP-10 model?

Yes. The KS-10. The "small" PDP-10. The last PDP-10. The "modern" PDP-10
without extended addressing.
And yes, it used the Unibus for an I/O bus. Someone else will probably
correct me, but I think it might even have used a variation of the RH-11
for Massbus.

	Johnny

Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se           ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol



From cdl at mpl.ucsd.edu  Thu Aug 22 05:59:42 2002
From: cdl at mpl.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pups] re: PDP-9
Message-ID: <200208211959.MAA04677@opihi.ucsd.edu>

> To: pups at minnie.tuhs.org
> From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com>
> Subject: [pups] re: PDP-9
> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:55:55 -0400
> 
> Bilquist said (quoting Buitinck):
> 
>  > > we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on the PDP-11/20,
>  > > but does anyone know anything about PDP-9 UNIX?  it\'s mentioned in \"The
>  > > UNIX Time-Sharing System\" in the V7 manual:
>  > > 
>  > > \"The earliest [version of UNIX] (circa 1969-70) ran on the Digital
>  > > Equipment Corporation PDP-7 and -9 computers.\"
> 
>  > Hmmm, I cannot exactly answer that, but the PDP-7 and PDP-9 were both
>  > 18-bit machines, and somewhat compatible, I believe.
>  > The whole line is (I believe):
> 
>  > PDP-4 -> PDP-7 -> PDP-9 -> PDP-15
> 
>  > So I guess that if you had it running on a PDP-7, you could probably
>  > almost take the code unmodified and run it on the PDP-9.
>  > The PDP-15 have a different bus (Unibus?) I believe, and thus,
>  > peripherials are different from the predecessors.
>  > This obviosuly affects the OS. :-)
> 
> The 7, 9, 15 were very compatible.  I think the -15
> had some scheme for using an index register, which
> the earlier ones didn't have, but it was otherwise
> pretty much identical in IS architecture.
> 
> There was very little rewriting to try Unix out
> on the -9 and -15; perhaps just some tweaks in
> the disk device commands.  I don't think the
> system actually ran on either for more than a few
> hours.  Ken was just playing around.
> 
> The -15 may have had an electrically different
> bus, but I'm reasonably sure it was not a Unibus.
> All of them used IOT instructions, not memory-mapped
> IO registers.
> 
> 	Dennis

What I remember, as the last gasp of PDP-15 production was a
dual-processor setup, linked with a PDP-11.  The intent was to take
advantage of the lower-cost Unibus peripherals.  I remember the
sales literature, but do not recall ever seeing one.

    carl
-- 
    carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
                                                 clowenst at ucsd.edu


From frank at wortner.com  Thu Aug 22 12:06:38 2002
From: frank at wortner.com (Frank Wortner)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:06:38 -0400
Subject: [pups] re: PDP-9
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208211114550.23988-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>
Message-ID: <B989BF6E.5692%frank@wortner.com>

on 8/21/02 5:21 AM, Johnny Billquist at bqt at update.uu.se wrote:

> About as I suspected then.
> Interesting to hear that the grade of compatibility was that high. I've
> neved had the chance to play with any 18-bitters.

You can indulge in 18-bit nostalgia courtesy of Bob Supnik.  His Computer
History Simulation Project includes simulators for the DEC 18-bit computer
line.  Check out http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ if you are interested.

Unfortunately,  there isn't much surviving software for these machines.  The
site does include a PDP-7 based simulator of the PDP-8(!),  and the
"Advanced Software System" OS for the PDP-15 (which I believe will also run
on the PDP-9).

Bob's wish list includes a plea for DECsys and the First through Fourth
Editions of Unix,  but unless someone unearths a cache somewhere,  these may
be lost to history.  Too bad. :-(

-- 
Frank

"It's snowing still.  *And* freezing.  However,  we haven't had an
earthquake recently."
* Eeyore,  "The House at Pooh Corner"




From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Thu Aug 22 12:47:05 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:47:05 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [pups] Re: Missing 1st to 4th Editions
In-Reply-To: <B989BF6E.5692%frank@wortner.com> from Frank Wortner at "Aug 21,
 2002 10:06:38 pm"
Message-ID: <200208220247.g7M2l5a53585@minnie.tuhs.org>

In article by Frank Wortner:
> Bob's wish list includes a plea for DECsys and the First through Fourth
> Editions of Unix,  but unless someone unearths a cache somewhere,  these may
> be lost to history.  Too bad. :-(
> Frank

A 3rd Edition kernel (ok, nearly 4th Edition) still survives at:
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Dennis_v3/

We don't have any 3rd Edition application. However, the kernel can be
tweaked to understand the 5th Edition filesystem layout, and we have
been able to boot this kernel and run some 5th Edition programs on it.
Of course, the pipe system call is missing :-)

	Warren


From wkb at freebie.xs4all.nl  Thu Aug 22 15:38:07 2002
From: wkb at freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:38:07 +0200
Subject: [pups] some RD54 drives free to takers in .nl
Message-ID: <20020822073807.A6468@freebie.xs4all.nl>

Hi,

I have some RD54 drives (and maybe a RD53 or so) that I want to
part with. Free for a PDP user in the Netherlands who is willing
to pick them up in Arnhem (I won't ship them)

Wilko
-- 
|   / o / /_  _   				wilko at FreeBSD.org
|/|/ / / /(  (_)  Bulte				Arnhem, the Netherlands


From kevin at ps8.co.uk  Thu Aug 22 23:04:05 2002
From: kevin at ps8.co.uk (Kevin Murrell)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:04:05 +0100
Subject: [pups] It all works!!
Message-ID: <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAGEFJDDAA.kevin@ps8.co.uk>

Needed to tell someone, so I thought I would tell all of you!

My PDP11/73 now has BSD2.11 installed and working.  I added a DEQNA card,
rebuilt the kernel and now ping, telnet, ftp et al is working.

The joy of telneting into my '11 from a Windoze machine is beyond words!

Many thanks to Warren, Fred and Joe for all the help and advice.

Regards


Kevin



From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl  Fri Aug 23 20:15:30 2002
From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:15:30 +0200
Subject: [pups] It all works!!
Message-ID: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F7721401FF67@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>

I suggest you now find a multi-port beer card, insert that into
a free slot, add /dev/beer to the kernel, and abuse it lots... :)

(rumor is, that 2.9bsd has much more space available for /dev/beer
buffers, though, so if 2.11 doesn't allow enough of it, just take
the plunge and downgrade to 2.9... ;-)

--f


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Murrell [mailto:kevin at ps8.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: Pups Mailing List
> Subject: [pups] It all works!!
> 
> 
> Needed to tell someone, so I thought I would tell all of you!
> 
> My PDP11/73 now has BSD2.11 installed and working.  I added a 
> DEQNA card,
> rebuilt the kernel and now ping, telnet, ftp et al is working.
> 
> The joy of telneting into my '11 from a Windoze machine is 
> beyond words!
> 
> Many thanks to Warren, Fred and Joe for all the help and advice.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Kevin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PUPS mailing list
> PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups
> 


From robinb at ruffnready.co.uk  Tue Aug 27 21:12:16 2002
From: robinb at ruffnready.co.uk (Robin Birch)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:12:16 +0100
Subject: [pups] It all works!!
In-Reply-To: <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAGEFJDDAA.kevin@ps8.co.uk>
References: <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAGEFJDDAA.kevin@ps8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <mPtTupAQ61a9EwJE@falstaf.demon.co.uk>

Well done Kevin,
I've never tried the route that you have gone down, always having had 
the luxury of distributions on tapes and a working tape drive.

Cheers

Robin
In message <IJECIIPFALOPEJDGENLAGEFJDDAA.kevin at ps8.co.uk>, Kevin Murrell 
<kevin at ps8.co.uk> writes
>Needed to tell someone, so I thought I would tell all of you!
>
>My PDP11/73 now has BSD2.11 installed and working.  I added a DEQNA card,
>rebuilt the kernel and now ping, telnet, ftp et al is working.
>
>The joy of telneting into my '11 from a Windoze machine is beyond words!
>
>Many thanks to Warren, Fred and Joe for all the help and advice.
>
>Regards
>
>
>Kevin
>
>_______________________________________________
>PUPS mailing list
>PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org
>http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups



From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl  Tue Aug 27 21:54:44 2002
From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:54:44 +0200
Subject: [pups] It all works!!
Message-ID: <7AD18F04B62B7440BE22E190A3F7721401FF7E@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>

Ian King wrote:

> > I suggest you now find a multi-port beer card, insert that into a
free
> > slot, add /dev/beer to the kernel, and abuse it lots... :)
> > 
> > (rumor is, that 2.9bsd has much more space available for /dev/beer
> > buffers, though, so if 2.11 doesn't allow enough of it, just take
the
> > plunge and downgrade to 2.9... ;-)
> > Should he implement uubp?  
Well, that's kinda store-and-forward.  A bit dated, innit?  Why
not go the modern way and go straight for the splattering-type
mbdp?  For those who dunno: Multicast Beer Distribution Protocol.

One catch... given the kind of stuff we want distributed, we'd better
not have any (memory and/or session) leaks...

--f


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Wed Aug 28 09:19:21 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:21 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [pups] heavy to ship (fwd)
Message-ID: <200208272319.g7RNJLg10188@minnie.tuhs.org>

----- Forwarded message from Joe Dellea -----

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:35:12 -0600
From: Joe Dellea <jjdellea at chisp.net>
To: wkt at tuhs.org
Subject: heavy to ship

Proffessor Toomey:
    I have an interesting problem for you....

    A friend of mine here in Denver, (Colorado,US) is in posession of a
PDP 11/73 and litterally a ton of peripheral hardware- it was left in
her house by her ex-husband who more than likely dumpster-dived it while
working for the phone company. The Ex is a talented Computer guy, but a
bit of an idiot in his personal life....

Friend wants to find a new home for this machine.
Friend is erratic. Also fairly pissed off.
Could probably use some money, but mainly wants the thing to go away,
rather than calculate actual dollar value or whatever.... Would be happy
if it went to a good home.

What does one do in such a situation?

In my case, I found your web-page near the top of a Google search.....

Regards,
Joe Dellea
jjdellea at chisp.net


----- End of forwarded message from Joe Dellea -----


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Wed Aug 28 09:20:10 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:20:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [pups] Re: heavy to ship
In-Reply-To: <3D6B39C0.3622033A@chisp.net> from Joe Dellea at "Aug 27, 2002 02:35:12
 am"
Message-ID: <200208272320.g7RNKA110211@minnie.tuhs.org>

In article by Joe Dellea:
> What does one do in such a situation?

Hi Joe, I've passed the e-mail on to some mailing lists, and hopefully
you will get some eager mail about it soon!

Good luck,
	Warren



From jjdellea at chisp.net  Wed Aug 28 10:31:17 2002
From: jjdellea at chisp.net (Joe Dellea)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:31:17 -0600
Subject: [pups] Re: heavy to ship
References: <200208272320.g7RNKA110211@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <3D6C19D4.8190C6D5@chisp.net>


Warren Toomey wrote:

> In article by Joe Dellea:
> > What does one do in such a situation?
>
> Hi Joe, I've passed the e-mail on to some mailing lists, and hopefully
> you will get some eager mail about it soon!
>
> Good luck,
>         Warren

Warren:
    Thank you, sir. Much appreciated.... I'd hate to see it go to waste.
    Thanks,
    Joe





From mike at ducky.net  Fri Aug  9 09:16:45 2002
From: mike at ducky.net (Mike Haertel)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TUHS] v7 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <15474.59068.85087.897739@hod.void.org>
Message-ID: <200208082316.g78NGjqs064933@ducky.net>

I'm fairly sure I once saw the MIT 68k port of PCC
on a Usenix tape.  No idea which one, but probably
around 1982 or so.


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Fri Aug  9 09:49:00 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:49:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] v7 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <200208082316.g78NGjqs064933@ducky.net> from Mike Haertel at "Aug
 8, 2002 04:16:45 pm"
Message-ID: <200208082349.g78Nn1r18022@minnie.tuhs.org>

In article by Mike Haertel:
> I'm fairly sure I once saw the MIT 68k port of PCC
> on a Usenix tape.  No idea which one, but probably
> around 1982 or so.

I just looked in the Usenix tapes in the Unix Archive, no luck. The closest
I could find is the directory delaware/cwru.v7/pcc in the file
Applications/Spencer_Tapes/del.tar.gz, but this looks like a PDP-11
version and not a port.

	Warren


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Sat Aug 10 10:09:54 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:09:54 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Re: pcc ports
In-Reply-To: <15474.59068.85087.897739@hod.void.org> from "M E Leypold @ labnet"
 at "Feb 20, 2002 00:58:52 am"
Message-ID: <200208100009.g7A09tT33285@minnie.tuhs.org>

In article by M E Leypold @ labnet:
> Al Kossow writes:
>  > There were ports of PCC to the 8086, Z8000, and 68000 done by
>  > MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science. This might be a more
>  > historically correct place to start.
> I alway wondered, wether the source of these ports is available
> somewhere. I bet it isn't.
> Regards -- Markus

Al has sent in the PCC ports mentioned to the Unix Archive. They are
now available on the primary site at both:

   http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/Portable_CC/
   ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/Applications/Portable_CC/

The mirror sites should pick these up soon.

Thanks Al!
	Warren


From cpg at aladdin.de  Sun Aug 11 05:56:46 2002
From: cpg at aladdin.de (cpg at aladdin.de)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:56:46 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Re: pcc ports
Message-ID: <200208101956.VAA00605@gibbon.cnet.aladdin.de>

On 08/10/2002 10:09:54 AM ZE10 Warren Toomey wrote:
>
>In article by M E Leypold @ labnet:
>> Al Kossow writes:
>>  > There were ports of PCC to the 8086, Z8000, and 68000 done by
>>  > MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science. This might be a more
>>  > historically correct place to start.
>> I alway wondered, wether the source of these ports is available
>> somewhere. I bet it isn't.
>> Regards -- Markus
>
>Al has sent in the PCC ports mentioned to the Unix Archive. They are
>now available on the primary site at both:
>
>   http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/Portable_CC/
>   ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/Applications/Portable_CC/

I see there no version for the Z8000 but for the 16032. Was there
really a Z8000 version?

regards,
chris


From aek at spies.com  Sun Aug 11 09:54:16 2002
From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:54:16 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] Re: pcc ports
Message-ID: <200208102354.g7ANsGfn002033@spies.com>

> I see there no version for the Z8000 but for the 16032. Was there 
> really a Z8000 version? 

http://www.lcs.mit.edu/about/architects.html

"Fortunately for Ward, by 1980 the community of computer researchers had grown from a few labs to a few dozen---and for the most part, the research community was moving in one particular direction: UNIX, the castrated Multics operating system that had been spawned from Bell Labs. UNIX was loved because it was small and portable, which meant that it would be easy for Ward to get the operating system running on the NuMachine. The group got the UNIX source code from Bell Labs and ported the operating system to three different microprocessors: the Zilog Z8000, the Intel 8086, and the Motorola 68000. Although it would not be clear for several years, by building a single-user computer with a bitmapped display, a network interface, and a powerful microprocessor, Ward's group had just created one of the world's first UNIX workstations.
"


From cpg at aladdin.de  Sun Aug 11 10:37:42 2002
From: cpg at aladdin.de (Christian Groessler)
Date: 11 Aug 2002 02:37:42 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Re: pcc ports
Message-ID: <877kiyqlgp.fsf@gibbon.cnet.aladdin.de>

On 08/10/2002 04:54:16 PM MST Al Kossow wrote:
>
>> I see there no version for the Z8000 but for the 16032. Was there
>> really a Z8000 version?
>
>http://www.lcs.mit.edu/about/architects.html
>
>"Fortunately for Ward, by 1980 the community of computer researchers
>had grown from a few labs to a few dozen---and for the most part, the  
>research community was moving in one particular direction: UNIX, the
>castrated Multics operating system that had been spawned from Bell
>Labs. UNIX was loved because it was small and portable, which meant
>that it would be easy for Ward to get the operating system running on
>the NuMachine. The group got the UNIX source code from Bell Labs and
>ported the operating system to three different microprocessors: the
>Zilog Z8000, the Intel 8086, and the Motorola 68000. Although it
>would not be clear for several years, by building a single-user
>computer with a bitmapped display, a network interface, and a
>powerful microprocessor, Ward's group had just created one of the
>world's first UNIX workstations.
>"

Hmm, but where is it? :-)

regards,
chris



From russell283 at attbi.com  Fri Aug 23 06:52:23 2002
From: russell283 at attbi.com (russ)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:52:23 -0600
Subject: [TUHS] RE: Porting Unix v6 to i386
Message-ID: <000801c24a1d$d1b67d60$0400000a@lakwod1.co.home.com>

It seems as though there was considerable interest in Porting Unix v6 to i386 some months ago. This is a project that appeals to me also. I was wondering if anyone has made any headway in the project and would like to share their experience.

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From peter.jeremy at alcatel.com.au  Fri Aug 23 07:23:29 2002
From: peter.jeremy at alcatel.com.au (Peter Jeremy)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:23:29 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] RE: Porting Unix v6 to i386
In-Reply-To: <000801c24a1d$d1b67d60$0400000a@lakwod1.co.home.com>; from russell283@attbi.com on Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 02:52:23PM -0600
References: <000801c24a1d$d1b67d60$0400000a@lakwod1.co.home.com>
Message-ID: <20020823072329.O72938@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>

On 2002-Aug-22 14:52:23 -0600, russ <russell283 at attbi.com> wrote:
>It seems as though there was considerable interest in Porting  Unix v6 to
>i386 some months ago. This is a project that appeals to me also. I  was
>wondering if anyone has made any headway in the project and would like to
>share their experience.

I've been mulling over something like this for some time.  I haven't
actually gotten very far because:
1) I hadn't found an open-source, 16-bit x86 C compiler that could run
   in 64K+64K.  It looks like there may be some suitable candidates now.
2) My planned target system succumbed to old age.  (The HDD failed and
   the bios only provides a choice of specific 80 or 120MB sizes).

Peter


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Fri Aug 23 09:56:03 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:56:03 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] RE: Porting Unix v6 to i386
In-Reply-To: <20020823072329.O72938@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> from Peter Jeremy
 at "Aug 23, 2002 07:23:29 am"
Message-ID: <200208222356.g7MNu3p63094@minnie.tuhs.org>

In article by Peter Jeremy:
> On 2002-Aug-22 14:52:23 -0600, russ <russell283 at attbi.com> wrote:
> >It seems as though there was considerable interest in Porting  Unix v6 to
> >i386 some months ago.

Firstly, see http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Other/V6on286/
for someone who has already done this.

Then see http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/Portable_CC/
for ports of pcc to 8086 and 80286. Note that these are now
covered by Caldera's BSD-style Ancient UNIX license.

> I've been mulling over something like this for some time.  I haven't
> actually gotten very far because:
> 1) I hadn't found an open-source, 16-bit x86 C compiler that could run
>    in 64K+64K.  It looks like there may be some suitable candidates now.

pcc? What about Bruce Evan's bcc? If the planned architecture is a 286,
what about C68?

> 2) My planned target system succumbed to old age.  (The HDD failed and
>    the bios only provides a choice of specific 80 or 120MB sizes).
> Peter

8-)
	Warren


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Wed Aug 28 09:19:21 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:21 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] heavy to ship (fwd)
Message-ID: <200208272319.g7RNJLg10188@minnie.tuhs.org>

----- Forwarded message from Joe Dellea -----

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:35:12 -0600
From: Joe Dellea <jjdellea at chisp.net>
To: wkt at tuhs.org
Subject: heavy to ship

Proffessor Toomey:
    I have an interesting problem for you....

    A friend of mine here in Denver, (Colorado,US) is in posession of a
PDP 11/73 and litterally a ton of peripheral hardware- it was left in
her house by her ex-husband who more than likely dumpster-dived it while
working for the phone company. The Ex is a talented Computer guy, but a
bit of an idiot in his personal life....

Friend wants to find a new home for this machine.
Friend is erratic. Also fairly pissed off.
Could probably use some money, but mainly wants the thing to go away,
rather than calculate actual dollar value or whatever.... Would be happy
if it went to a good home.

What does one do in such a situation?

In my case, I found your web-page near the top of a Google search.....

Regards,
Joe Dellea
jjdellea at chisp.net


----- End of forwarded message from Joe Dellea -----


From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Wed Aug 28 09:20:10 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:20:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Re: heavy to ship
In-Reply-To: <3D6B39C0.3622033A@chisp.net> from Joe Dellea at "Aug 27, 2002 02:35:12
 am"
Message-ID: <200208272320.g7RNKA110211@minnie.tuhs.org>

In article by Joe Dellea:
> What does one do in such a situation?

Hi Joe, I've passed the e-mail on to some mailing lists, and hopefully
you will get some eager mail about it soon!

Good luck,
	Warren



From jjdellea at chisp.net  Wed Aug 28 10:31:17 2002
From: jjdellea at chisp.net (Joe Dellea)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:31:17 -0600
Subject: [TUHS] Re: heavy to ship
References: <200208272320.g7RNKA110211@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <3D6C19D4.8190C6D5@chisp.net>


Warren Toomey wrote:

> In article by Joe Dellea:
> > What does one do in such a situation?
>
> Hi Joe, I've passed the e-mail on to some mailing lists, and hopefully
> you will get some eager mail about it soon!
>
> Good luck,
>         Warren

Warren:
    Thank you, sir. Much appreciated.... I'd hate to see it go to waste.
    Thanks,
    Joe





From bqt at update.uu.se  Thu Aug 29 02:07:17 2002
From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:07:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [TUHS] Ultrix...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208281804110.8219-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>

Hi. I have a small question for you.

I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix
available for porting to NetBSD.
The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP.

Does anyone know of any persons who were involved in the old days when
code was exchanged between BSD and Ultrix? Those people might be a good
starting point for getting code today as well I suspect.

Does anyone else around here have any good clues on this?

Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released?

And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11.

	Johnny

Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se           ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol



From msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG  Thu Aug 29 03:48:12 2002
From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 02 10:48:12 PDT
Subject: [TUHS] Ultrix...
Message-ID: <0208281748.AA00801@ivan.Harhan.ORG>

Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix
> available for porting to NetBSD.

I don't support NetBSD, but Ultrix' MSCP/SCA code is available to everyone.

> The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP.

It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws. Since that is your
personal voluntary choice, it is your problem.

> Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released?
> And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11.

The International Free Computing Task Force has freed the Ultrix-32 V2.00 and
V4.20 sources. They can be found on our FTP site in

ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32

-- 
Michael Sokolov					786 E MISSION AVE APT F
Programletarian Freedom Fighter			ESCONDIDO CA 92025-2154 USA
International Free Computing Task Force		Phone: +1-760-480-4575
						msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA)
Let the Source be with you
Programletarians of the world, unite!


From bqt at update.uu.se  Thu Aug 29 20:27:25 2002
From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:27:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [TUHS] Re: TUHS digest, Vol 1 #71 - 2 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200208290206.g7T26eD19221@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0208291220490.23934-100000@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>

Sokolov wrote:

> Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix
> > available for porting to NetBSD.
> 
> I don't support NetBSD, but Ultrix' MSCP/SCA code is available to everyone.

I know you don't support it. :-)

> > The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP.
> 
> It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws. Since that is your
> personal voluntary choice, it is your problem.

Yes, and it's *that* problem I'm looking for a solution to.

> > Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released?
> > And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11.
> 
> The International Free Computing Task Force has freed the Ultrix-32 V2.00 and
> V4.20 sources. They can be found on our FTP site in

Freed as in "legally freed", or just "made available".

> ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32

harhan.org don't exist from where my dns is looking... :-/
Another machine I have access to managed to resolve ivan.harhan.org to
208.221.139.1, but there is no response at that address.

However, if it is just the sources, and not some legal notes available,
then I don't need to go there.

	Johnny

Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se           ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol



From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Sat Aug 31 17:39:53 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:39:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] computer inventory for hardcore geeks (fwd)
Message-ID: <200208310739.g7V7dr839001@minnie.tuhs.org>

All,
	I just received this e-mail. I have no idea who Wendy is, but
perhaps the things she has stashed away may be of some interest to you.

	Warren
----- Forwarded message from Wendy Murphy -----

>From jendywo at yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 08:22:00 2002
Message-ID: <20020830222155.14119.qmail at web14907.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:21:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wendy Murphy <jendywo at yahoo.com>
Subject: computer inventory for hardcore geeks
To: clintw at colorado.cirrus.com, xds_sigma7 at hotmail.com, eric at brouhaha.com,
   iking at microsoft.com, mcquiggi at sfu.ca, emu at ecubics.com, dworkin at village.org,
   russell283 at attbi.com
Cc: rob at witte-family.net, jjdellea at chisp.net, wkt at tuhs.org
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.01
Content-Length:  3539

In my quest to get the house clean so I can get out, I
decided to inventory the computer stuff.  It's like
inventory by the technologically blind!  I got just so
far before I got frustrated and gave up.  

Pat and Rob took the sillyscope (with the intention of
selling it, I believe) and the RT, I think it was
called (to keep for my ex-).  

Dworkin took the PDP-11/73.  I asked him for $84
because that's what I need to keep Xcel from shutting
off my electricity, but he chose to give me a check
for $500, which I have not cashed and won't until he's
had the stuff long enough to ascertain that it works
and tell me so, or for two weeks, whichever comes
first.

That leaves:
(Note: sizes are eyeballed by someone with a lousy
eye)
IN THE GARAGE:
     various cables, keyboards, mouses, plugs,
cabinets, broken TVs, VCRs, and a Laser disk player,
and miscellaneous hardware
     a box about 1'x1.5'x2' with a 3.5" and a 5.25"
drive, and seven flat buttons with colored lights and
symbols, like turtles, rabbits, and lightning bolts.
     an Alpha Micro 1000E
     Raster Tech monitor
     D-SCAN, an 8"x8"x1" board with 17 female cable
plugs in three rows labeled "In" "Out" and "CH", six
columns labeled "R G B H V C"
     a 3'x3'x2' dec RXO2 and RLO2
     exposure timer & power supply unit
     Sharp electric typewriter, and another electric
typewriter up too high for me to read anything off it.
     a couple of Apple II+s  (Dad wants to keep one as
he has some information on a 5.25" floppy formatted
for that computer)
     SCM152 dry copier
     microfiche reader ?
     Kennedy model 9300 tape drive
     AlphaWrite documentation, and several 3-ring
binders of documentation I just didn't feel like
thumbing through for particulars right now (but can
later, if you like)
     and the infamous 78 2'x2' floor tiles.  (Dworkin
said he's seen them advertised for $9 apiece, new. 
They're not quite in new condition, but that gives a
ballpark for what they ought to be worth)

I didn't check IN THE LOFT, because it's too high for
me to reach or see.

IN THE FURNACE ROOM: I saw
     an Amdex 300A video monitor
     NEC multisync 2A monitor
     Raster Tech monitor
     ADDS (?) monitor
     and at least one other monitor with no words I
could identify
     An okidata printer
     an ALPS ALQ200 printer
     an IBM selectric II typewriter
     a Minolta fax 261
     and a "stack" -- y'know, a computer, with two
3.5" and one 5.25" floppy drives and buttons that said
"turbo" and "reset", but no brand name I could make
out.

IN THE CAVE: there remains
     a Scientific Atlanta receiver
     IBM monitor
     IBM 3.5" floppy drive
     HP LaserJet printer
     Smith-Corona electric typewriter
     Data south DS 150 printer
     Microscience International Corporation thing that
says it has 7 heads and 855 cylinders, but won't tell
me what it uses them for
     digital h3350; I don't know what it is, but it's
the size of a deck of cards
     a couple of EMLock security door thingies
(magnetic)
    various boards (green things with solder and
little batteries and stuff on them)
     a couple of Alpha Micro video cassettes

That's what I had the energy to see.  Can you
enlighten me as to what these things are and what
ought to be done with them?  I can't even get at the
other stuff in the furnace room/garage until some of
it gets moved.

~ Wendy the technologically incorrigible
----- End of forwarded message from Wendy Murphy -----


