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Friday 27 September 2002
 Number  456
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Subjects for today
 
1  [os2genau] RC5 is over. : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
3  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] Networking using parallel port : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
9  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re: [os2genau] Networking using parallel port : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:11:39 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  [os2genau] RC5 is over.

Hi all

Yes, its true, RC5 is over :-(, or :-), depending on your point of view ;-)

http://n0cgi.distributed dot net/cgi/dnet-finger.cgi?user=bovine

If you dont know what I'm talking about, thats ok, skip over it.

Cheers
Ian B Manners


I smashed a Window and saw... Linux.
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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:56:47 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

Hi Ed and Paul,

I got rid of the ctrlZ in the avision.conf file and now the system doesn't trap.  The scanner 
doesn't produce an image, but at least it's not trapping.

Another thing I've noticed, is that unless the scanner is on when I boot the machine, 
aspirout.sys can't get an SCSIMGR$ enrty point, doesn't load and asks to check if 
OS2ASPI.DMD is loaded.

This doesn't happen at all on my regular machine (all atapi cd - cdr/w).  Has it got 
something to do with the scsi card on the scanning machine?

Cheers
G

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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:21:45 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

All external devices (especially SCSI ones) should be connected and turned on before the PC is
turned on.

If you watch the messages from Config.sys, you'll see that it will report that it can't load the
AIC driver. If that's not loaded OS2ASPI and Sane have no chance of working.

It sounds to me like you now need to look at the other possible settings on the command line to
get the scanner to actually run. When you execute scanner.exe does the scanner do a reset (ie
does it move its scanning bar back to the start ?) You''ll hear it if it does. If it dooes that,
things are looking good, if not, there may still be some problems.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Hi Ed and Paul,
>
> I got rid of the ctrlZ in the avision.conf file and now the system doesn't trap.  The scanner
> doesn't produce an image, but at least it's not trapping.
>
> Another thing I've noticed, is that unless the scanner is on when I boot the machine,
> aspirout.sys can't get an SCSIMGR$ enrty point, doesn't load and asks to check if
> OS2ASPI.DMD is loaded.
>
> This doesn't happen at all on my regular machine (all atapi cd - cdr/w).  Has it got
> something to do with the scsi card on the scanning machine?
>
> Cheers
> G
>

>  


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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:37:14 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

Ed,

Yep the scanner does reset.  It does scan a little, but the images have no content.  I use 
PMView to have a look at the image and often there is an error in opening the image 
file.  I've also noticed that it doesn't scan the whole area though.  How do you force A4 
scan area?

Thanks for the info on external devices.  I was unaware that that was the case, having 
never had an external device before ( other than a printer ).

Cheers
G

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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:03:28 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

Back in the "bad old days" of OS/2 1.1, the same problem often happened with printers. It's
simply "best practice" to turn on external devices first.

The status as the moment definately sounds positive !!  Are you using a "front-end" program of
any kind ? Some people use PMSANE, some prefer X-SANE (which allows the scanner to be shared
over the network but needs you to install X-Windows support (XFREE86)), my choice is TAME. It
allows you change scanned area format of output etc. etc.  I really think you now only have to
set the correct command line switches (either simply after scanner.exe on the command line or
through one of the front-end programs) and you should be working. What I did initially was to
define EVERY parameter to force what I wanted as, some that said they had a default setting
that I wanted, actually didn't. i then went back removing parameters until it stopped working
or didn't work as I wanted (wrong resolution etc) and then put that parameter back. A bit
long-winded but it works !

As I said early on, once its all configured and working, you wont need to cahnge anything, it
just become a device you have there and use as and when you need it.

SANE should have come with documentation listing all the parameter switches you can use
perhaps it lists them if you type scanimage /?   .....

TAME comes with a VERY good INF file describing how everything should be set up.

I have some test CMD files that I used when experimenting with my Canon scanner, I can e-mail
them off-list to you if you wish.

Oh yes don't forget the files default to PNM format (I think TIFF is supported but I could
never get it to work, so I use PNM and convert afterwards). PMVIEW2000 can view PNM files,
I've just checked by opening an image I recently scanned.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Ed,
>
> Yep the scanner does reset.  It does scan a little, but the images have no content.  I use
> PMView to have a look at the image and often there is an error in opening the image
> file.  I've also noticed that it doesn't scan the whole area though.  How do you force A4
> scan area?
>
> Thanks for the info on external devices.  I was unaware that that was the case, having
> never had an external device before ( other than a printer ).
>
> Cheers
> G
>

>  


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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:20:15 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

Ed,

I have TAME ver 0.94 so have been trying that as well as command line.  Some of the 
option changes such as gamma causes a Trap D, as well as the -T option to fully test 
the backend.

I created a TXT file using the --help option in scanimage to see what the scanner 
reports.  It doesn't seem any different to the default in TAME.  I am using the AV630 
settings in TAME as there is no AV6240.

The error message I get with PMView2000 is "Unexpected end of file"

I have to say, I'm sick of all this stuffing around we have to do every time we want to use 
a device; any device.  We have to hunt for drivers, then download THIS package so 
the drivers work, but you also need THIS so the PACKAGE can run properly.  Then 
once we have everything we need, we have to try and piece it all together.  I am 
seriously aggravated by this.  No offence to all the talented people who create ways for 
us to use these devices.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging away at it.  See what happens.

Cheers
G

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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:33:19 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

OK

I've had a good look at what the things are doing together, and it's not much.  Sane tells 
the scanner to move, but no data is being collected, hence all images are BLACK.  
Sane finishes gathering well before the scanner has finished scanning.  The scanner 
resests itself after a while.

Hey the latest effort sane finished before the scanner started.

Cheers
G

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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:24:34 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Networking using parallel port

Cross-Over parallel cables are no problems.

If push comes to shove, could just use laplink for file transfer.
Cross-over USB leads do exist but I've seen no OS/2 support.

Don't really want to use ethernet cable as it means unplugging the
existing cable, but it would work quite well with no fuss.


On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:50:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I know the driver you are referring to, and as far as I know there is no compatible
>Win32 driver. You may be able to use a dos based software package though if you have
>of course the correct cross-over (aka laplink) parrallel port cable.
>
>I don't think you can get cross-over USB leads.
>
>Wouldn't a cross over ethernet cable be the simplest method ?
>
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:15:51 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

If we can sort out what parameters are relevant to your scanner I can create the neccessary
changes in TAME, so that it is listed as one of the options. there are a couple of files that
contain the data and I changed these with a hex editor to add my Canon, sent them off to the
author who thanked me for them and then sent me an editor he wrote to make these changes as
simple as anything !

I know what you mean about drivers and things. It's the same with CD-Burners, but as I keep
saying once it's sorted EVERYTHING WILL run reliability. The up side is that the software is
free. You may say the software that came with the scanner was also free but of course its cost
is actually factored into the original purchase price.

Actually the documentation that comes with TAME is one of the most helpful I've seen. Not only
does it document how to use TAME it also explains SANE and tells you exactly what other
components are needed and wher to get them from.

Paul is far more skilled than I am, in this area and he helped me to get my scanner working.
There was a set of runs we made that showed us where the problem setting was, it seems to me
that if PMVIEW is reporting invalid end of file, SANE is failing before completion.

Let me take a look at the files that I have and send them across to you off-list.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Ed,
>
> I have TAME ver 0.94 so have been trying that as well as command line.  Some of the
> option changes such as gamma causes a Trap D, as well as the -T option to fully test
> the backend.
>
> I created a TXT file using the --help option in scanimage to see what the scanner
> reports.  It doesn't seem any different to the default in TAME.  I am using the AV630
> settings in TAME as there is no AV6240.
>
> The error message I get with PMView2000 is "Unexpected end of file"
>
> I have to say, I'm sick of all this stuffing around we have to do every time we want to use
> a device; any device.  We have to hunt for drivers, then download THIS package so
> the drivers work, but you also need THIS so the PACKAGE can run properly.  Then
> once we have everything we need, we have to try and piece it all together.  I am
> seriously aggravated by this.  No offence to all the talented people who create ways for
> us to use these devices.
>
> Anyway, I'll keep plugging away at it.  See what happens.
>
> Cheers
> G
>

>  


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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:17:30 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Avision Scanner & Sane

Does the Aver scanner have any sort or SCSI termination switch and is it turned on ? (it
should be, being the only device on the SCSI chain).

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> OK
>
> I've had a good look at what the things are doing together, and it's not much.  Sane tells
> the scanner to move, but no data is being collected, hence all images are BLACK.
> Sane finishes gathering well before the scanner has finished scanning.  The scanner
> resests itself after a while.
>
> Hey the latest effort sane finished before the scanner started.
>
> Cheers
> G
>

>  


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Date:  Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:20:11 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Networking using parallel port

There was a program that came with MS-Dos 5 - interlink ?? or something like that. I know
I ran this from an OS/2 DOS session to a real DOS machine once. I don't know if it will
work in a Windoze DOS session though. Guess it's worth a try if you can find a copy.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Cross-Over parallel cables are no problems.
>
> If push comes to shove, could just use laplink for file transfer.
> Cross-over USB leads do exist but I've seen no OS/2 support.
>
> Don't really want to use ethernet cable as it means unplugging the
> existing cable, but it would work quite well with no fuss.
>
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:50:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >I know the driver you are referring to, and as far as I know there is no compatible
> >Win32 driver. You may be able to use a dos based software package though if you have
> >of course the correct cross-over (aka laplink) parrallel port cable.
> >
> >I don't think you can get cross-over USB leads.
> >
> >Wouldn't a cross over ethernet cable be the simplest method ?
> >
> SNIP
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
>

>  


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