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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:14:45 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Ians early xmas

Hi all

I got back to Melbourne this morning at 0545Hrs, and deceided I
needed to do something different, so I gathered some parts I'd
bought before heading for Perth.

Dual CPU M/B, 
2 x Intel 1.2Ghz CPU's, 
384Mb RAM,
2 x IBM LVD SCSI 18.2Gb HD's
LSI Logic 64bit Dual head SCSI-III Card
NVIDIA GeForce3, 32Mb, running at 460Mhz
Intel TP100 Management network Card.

Copied OS/2 from my IBM Netfinity to one of
the new HD's, replaced the UNI files for SMP
files, and reinstalled the SD drivers.

Phhhheeeeeewwwwwww
Talk about speed !

I couldnt help but think of how difficult its become
to transfer a working copy of windows to a new
harddisk, and then try to boot it.

Doom under OS/2 takes on new enjoyment, which
is due to the graphics card.

And the bootup time is just, well, ya !

I installed NT on the other 18Gb IBM disk, no comparison for
server use, this would have to be the ultimate demonstration
of the advantage of threads for both personal and server use.
OS/2 still beats NT and Win2000 for Network throughput on file
servers, and the speed of the WPS is just awe inspiring.

I watch as other people upgrade their PC's to cope with new
versions of Windows, were as we who use OS/2 and eCS
upgrade really for the pleasure of a faster workplace.

I look at the server this list is hosted on, os2 dot org dot au, which
is a PII-450 with 192Mb RAM, and 2 x 4Gb IDE HD's,
compared to another server I'm hosting, a HP Server
with a PIII-1000, and 512Mb RAM, Win2000 Server,
and the os2 dot org dot au server boots up in just under half
the time the Win2000 server boots, and is ready to serve
the net as soon as the WPS is seen.

Umm, no one noticed the server was rebooted did they :-))

Accessing both servers over the internal 100Mb network,
os2 dot org dot au (Apache) is very close to instant using Netscape v4.62,
the other server (will remain nameless), takes 5 seconds
to display the front page using ASP.

Then you can look at www.os2site dot com hosted on an old
IBM VP100 486DX100 with 128Mb RAM and 1 x 4.7Gb
and 2 x 18Gb SCSI disks.

This site takes about 1 second to completely display the front page. 

I cant help but notice that every new version of windows needs
about double the power to make it run like the earlier version.

OS/2, is it any wonder IBM cant seem to kill it completely :-)

Hmmm, better put Windows2000 back on the harddisk before
this guy picks his PC up in the morning :-(


Cheers
Ian B Manners

2=============================================

From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:02:12 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

Graham,
What model Accton cards?  I had problems getting two Acton En1207D cards working 
together, ending up replacing one of them with a new card.  Whatever I did, I just 
couldn't get Warp to recognise both cards.

To cap it off, the card Telstra supplied (SMC 1211) is identical to the Acctons so that 
didn't help either.

Regards,

Paul.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:26:16 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:

>Ed
>
>I am running the Warp 4.5  (convenience pack) and  have installed TWO Acctron 
>PCI 10/100 NIC cards.... 
>
>the system detects both or at least knows that they are 'there'!!  
>
>I have attempted to configure the MPTS  as follows
>
>Accton Card
>0 - TCPIP 
>Accton Card
>1 - NetBuis
>1- TCPIP
>
>with the intention of making the 1st example  the ADSL modem link....
>
>the problem is that with BOTH cards in the PC , there is an error when I start the 
>requester.... it eventually prompts me  saying that it was unable to start the service 
>due to a 'cable error'!!  If I physically remove one NIC card, the requester service  
>starts OK..  (mind you I dont  think I actually need the requester service on this PC?)
>
>the Injoy Firewall will detect BOTH cards on install however and prompts me to 
>nominate the NIC card to use.... lan0 is the one that I choose...
>
>so there is a hiccup so far.... Daryl is aware of it and wondered if it was a problem 
>with the actual NIC card and its NIF file???
>
>
>
>On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:58:25 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>>The basic difference is that WSeb (like Warp Server) supports up to 4
>>network
>>cards. I'm pretty sure that the Client OS can only support 2. That might
>>seem
>>not be be a problem with usage as a firewall, but if TCPBEUI support is
>>required
>>on either of the cards, that is seen as a third card.
>>
>>Let's see what Graham is running and take it from there.
>>
>>Ed.
>>
>>Stan Pallis wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ed,
>>> 
>>> What are the differences, I'm running wseb
>>> 
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Graham,
>>> >  Aha, Ignore my previous reply - you did "trust" me
>>> > re turning off cache etc. That Install procedure always
>>> > had some issues with timing .....
>>> >
>>> > As for installing two cards in the system, it's pretty
>>> > straight forward but I need to know if you're running WSeB
>>> > or Warp Client on the box. Let me know and I point out
>>> > the differences.
>>> >
>>> > I was considering saying, we'll take this off-list but I think
>>> > it may be interesting as more and more people are going to
>>> > Broadband connections.
>>> >
>>> > As the advertising says - once you've used Broadband you
>>> > won't want to go back - and it's true !.
>>> >
>>> > - As you're using ADSL, we'll probably need some input
>>> > from Daryl as well as he runs ADSL (I run cable).
>>> >
>>> > So once more - which type of Warp OS and yes which
>>> > telecom company ?
>>> >
>>> > Cheers/2
>>> >
>>> > Ed.
>>> >
>>> > Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi ed
>>> > >
>>> > > now I am faced with installing the 2 NIC cards and trying to set up the MPTN 
>for the
>>> > > separate PC that will act as the Internet 'gateway' and firewall...
>Graham Norton
>President
>OS2 Users Group SA

3=============================================

Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:31:53 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

OK Graham,
  This is part of the procedure I wanted to document but
you have jumped ahead a bit. So lets sort this problem
and then review all that needs to be done.

 First Question is why do you want to run the requester on 
your firewall PC ??

 A firewall/gateway PC should only need to run TCP/IP on
both cards. If you want to run the requester on the internal
LAN card, this is possible but this suggests to me that you
want to use this PC as a normal workstation, which I would
advise against. I would prefer the gateway/firewall PC run
as a pure network "black box" however if you have to run
it as a workstation as well it is possible.

  You could go into the IBMLAN.INI and change various lines
but the simplest way is to use the install program to do it
for you ....

  Go to \ibmlan\install directory and see if you have laninst.exe
or peerinst.exe there (I suspect it will be the latter - the former 
is normally only on servers). Run this program and take the 
options tht say configure this work station. At some point you
will come to a screen that asks which lan ports/adapters to
use. If the first card (number zero in MPTS) is your connection
to the ADSL modem, you should make sure this is unticked -
you don't want the requester talking to the Internet. The other
connection/card is the internal LAN and this should be ticked
as requiring the requester to run on it. If you are using TCPBEUI
(Netbios over TCPIP - (or Net Buy Off as one user at work called 
it)), then there will be a third port that will also require enabling
for Requester. I'd suggest that we set up this system first of all
as your gateway out to the internet for the PCs on your LAN. 
If you wish to extend this to be a VPN gateway into the LAN
later, this and other settings will need to be changed. exit and 
save changes, reboot - there should now not be an error
dispalyed from the wkstation netbios driver and start the
requester, it should come up and you should be able to log
into your Internal LAN.

Let me know if you get this far without problems.

Cheers/2

Ed.
 


Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
> 
> the problem is that with BOTH cards in the PC , there is an error when I start the
> requester.... it eventually prompts me  saying that it was unable to start the service

4=============================================

Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:39:38 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Ians early xmas

Are any of us who HAVE to work with windoze (doze is relevant here)
surprised at this report ?? I don't think so.

A minor (here comes the Pedantic Ed) change I'd suggest the Intel
processors
were 1.2 GHz, not Gb (or have they a rather *L A R G E*  cache size
now?).

I'd be interested in an OS/2 vs Linux shoot-off on performance - the
earlier
versions of Linux were slimline and quick but it seems that some
versions 
of Linux now set higher requirements for minimum hrdware .....

Perhaps Greg could incorporate comparison reports like this into the
os2 dot org dot au
new site structure ?? Greg please update us on status now that you've
got your
UNI work finished (I hope it went well by the way).

Cheers/2

Ed. 

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I got back to Melbourne this morning at 0545Hrs, and deceided I
> needed to do something different, so I gathered some parts I'd
> bought before heading for Perth.
> 
> Dual CPU M/B,
> 2 x Intel 1.2Gb CPU's,
> 384Mb RAM,
> 2 x IBM LVD SCSI 18.2Gb HD's
> LSI Logic 64bit Dual head SCSI-III Card
> NVIDIA GeForce3, 32Mb, running at 460Mhz
> Intel TP100 Management network Card.
> 
> Copied OS/2 from my IBM Netfinity to one of
> the new HD's, replaced the UNI files for SMP
> files, and reinstalled the SD drivers.
> 
> Phhhheeeeeewwwwwww
> Talk about speed !
> 
> I couldnt help but think of how difficult its become
> to transfer a working copy of windows to a new
> harddisk, and then try to boot it.
> 
> Doom under OS/2 takes on new enjoyment, which
> is due to the graphics card.
> 
> And the bootup time is just, well, ya !
> 
> I installed NT on the other 18Gb IBM disk, no comparison for
> server use, this would have to be the ultimate demonstration
> of the advantage of threads for both personal and server use.
> OS/2 still beats NT and Win2000 for Network throughput on file
> servers, and the speed of the WPS is just awe inspiring.
> 
> I watch as other people upgrade their PC's to cope with new
> versions of Windows, were as we who use OS/2 and eCS
> upgrade really for the pleasure of a faster workplace.
> 
> I look at the server this list is hosted on, os2 dot org dot au, which
> is a PII-450 with 192Mb RAM, and 2 x 4Gb IDE HD's,
> compared to another server I'm hosting, a HP Server
> with a PIII-1000, and 512Mb RAM, Win2000 Server,
> and the os2 dot org dot au server boots up in just under half
> the time the Win2000 server boots, and is ready to serve
> the net as soon as the WPS is seen.
> 
> Umm, no one noticed the server was rebooted did they :-))
> 
> Accessing both servers over the internal 100Mb network,
> os2 dot org dot au (Apache) is very close to instant using Netscape v4.62,
> the other server (will remain nameless), takes 5 seconds
> to display the front page using ASP.
> 
> Then you can look at www.os2site dot com hosted on an old
> IBM VP100 486DX100 with 128Mb RAM and 1 x 4.7Gb
> and 2 x 18Gb SCSI disks.
> 
> This site takes about 1 second to completely display the front page.
> 
> I cant help but notice that every new version of windows needs
> about double the power to make it run like the earlier version.
> 
> OS/2, is it any wonder IBM cant seem to kill it completely :-)
> 
> Hmmm, better put Windows2000 back on the harddisk before
> this guy picks his PC up in the morning :-(
> 
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
> 

5=============================================

Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:21:36 +0000
From: Frank Bendon <frankbenatinternode.on dot net>
Subject: [os2genau] OS2 vs linux

On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:39:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>Perhaps Greg could incorporate comparison reports like this into the
>os2 dot org dot au

Ed   ..etal

re OS2 vs linux

I have both OS2 and RH7.1linux (pretty much standard workstation setup) 
on my (rather old now) P150 Dell laptop - on two separate hard dsks/trays 
- can be easily swapped.  Both get used about 50-50.

Boot up times on it are pretty much the same and StarOffice is just as slow
on both - have not put a stop watch on ot though.  There are no other 
'common' applications that I can make a meaningful comparison.

(SO is runs fine on the main PC - a 2x600M/linux - I dont have the OS2smp 
kernal to cannot make meaningful comparisons on it)

There are plenty of linux-win comparisions around but very few that include
OS2  ......  get a form together an let us fill it in.

Cheers
Frank Bendon

6=============================================

Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:22:53 +0000
From: Frank Bendon <frankbenatinternode.on dot net>
Subject: [os2genau] OS2 vs linux

On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:39:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>Perhaps Greg could incorporate comparison reports like this into the
>os2 dot org dot au

Ed   ..etal

re OS2 vs linux

I have both OS2 and RH7.1linux (pretty much standard workstation setup) 
on my (rather old now) P150 Dell laptop - on two separate hard dsks/trays 
- can be easily swapped.  Both get used about 50-50.

Boot up times on it are pretty much the same and StarOffice is just as slow
on both - have not put a stop watch on ot though.  There are no other 
'common' applications that I can make a meaningful comparison.

(SO is runs fine on the main PC - a 2x600M/linux - I dont have the OS2smp 
kernal to cannot make meaningful comparisons on it)

There are plenty of linux-win comparisions around but very few that include
OS2  ......  get a form together an let us fill it in.

Cheers
Frank Bendon

7=============================================

From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:07:37 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

Paul

I think that you are correct, The cards are Accton Cheetah PCI adaptor cards... 
EN1207D   as you suggest,  I have any number of older 10 Mbps cards but no slot 
on the new PC  in which to insert them!!

So I may need to buy a different NIC card!!

I may call on your professional help!


 to On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:02:12 +1100, Paul Smedley wrote:

>Graham,
>What model Accton cards?  I had problems getting two Acton En1207D cards 
working 
>together, ending up replacing one of them with a new card.  Whatever I did, I just 
>couldn't get Warp to recognise both cards.
>
>To cap it off, the card Telstra supplied (SMC 1211) is identical to the Acctons so 
that 
>didn't help either.
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul.
>
>On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:26:16 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>
>>Ed
>>
>>I am running the Warp 4.5  (convenience pack) and  have installed TWO Acctron 
>>PCI 10/100 NIC cards.... 
>>
>>the system detects both or at least knows that they are 'there'!!  
>>
>>I have attempted to configure the MPTS  as follows
>>
>>Accton Card
>>0 - TCPIP 
>>Accton Card
>>1 - NetBuis
>>1- TCPIP
>>
>>with the intention of making the 1st example  the ADSL modem link....
>>
>>the problem is that with BOTH cards in the PC , there is an error when I start the 
>>requester.... it eventually prompts me  saying that it was unable to start the 
service 
>>due to a 'cable error'!!  If I physically remove one NIC card, the requester service  
>>starts OK..  (mind you I dont  think I actually need the requester service on this 
PC?)
>>
>>the Injoy Firewall will detect BOTH cards on install however and prompts me to 
>>nominate the NIC card to use.... lan0 is the one that I choose...
>>
>>so there is a hiccup so far.... Daryl is aware of it and wondered if it was a problem 
>>with the actual NIC card and its NIF file???
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:58:25 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>>The basic difference is that WSeb (like Warp Server) supports up to 4
>>>network
>>>cards. I'm pretty sure that the Client OS can only support 2. That might
>>>seem
>>>not be be a problem with usage as a firewall, but if TCPBEUI support is
>>>required
>>>on either of the cards, that is seen as a third card.
>>>
>>>Let's see what Graham is running and take it from there.
>>>
>>>Ed.
>>>
>>>Stan Pallis wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ed,
>>>> 
>>>> What are the differences, I'm running wseb
>>>> 
>>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Graham,
>>>> >  Aha, Ignore my previous reply - you did "trust" me
>>>> > re turning off cache etc. That Install procedure always
>>>> > had some issues with timing .....
>>>> >
>>>> > As for installing two cards in the system, it's pretty
>>>> > straight forward but I need to know if you're running WSeB
>>>> > or Warp Client on the box. Let me know and I point out
>>>> > the differences.
>>>> >
>>>> > I was considering saying, we'll take this off-list but I think
>>>> > it may be interesting as more and more people are going to
>>>> > Broadband connections.
>>>> >
>>>> > As the advertising says - once you've used Broadband you
>>>> > won't want to go back - and it's true !.
>>>> >
>>>> > - As you're using ADSL, we'll probably need some input
>>>> > from Daryl as well as he runs ADSL (I run cable).
>>>> >
>>>> > So once more - which type of Warp OS and yes which
>>>> > telecom company ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers/2
>>>> >
>>>> > Ed.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi ed
>>>> > >
>>>> > > now I am faced with installing the 2 NIC cards and trying to set up the 
MPTN 
>>for the
>>>> > > separate PC that will act as the Internet 'gateway' and firewall...
>>>
>>
>>Graham Norton
>>President
>>OS2 Users Group SA
>>
>
>

Graham Norton
President
OS2 Users Group SA

8=============================================

From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:25:05 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

Hi ed

this is where I think I need a lesson on LAN and protocols and TCPIP!!! 

I dont really need to run the requester but I only discovered the problem as the 
install of Warp 4.5 CP automatically installs net start in the startup.cmd and I had, in 
constructing the box  inserted both cards and by a process of trial and error 
discovered that with 2 cards in (or rather two identical NIC cards) , neither theLAN 
protocols and I suspect even the TCPIP  would run as I could not even ping the box 
from my Thinkpad!

so I removed it and the problem went away!

As to the requester service I dont need it unless I want to run say an email server on 
that box, but equally there is no reason why I could not run the email server (and I 
have purchased the Hemon Brothers software)  from the file and print server 
anyway!!!

so I only need to have

LAN card "0"  TCPIP  for the LAN  (intranet)
LAN card "1" TCpIP  for the Modem/internet

my confusion also relates to this internet server PC and its TCPIP configuration.

lets say that I give it the following address

lan0  (LAN) 192.168.1.200

this seems logical as the File Printer server has 192.168.1.100 and the workstations 
are 192.168.1.x  etc.

lan1  (Internet/adsl)   address fixed by ISP  (internode)

I assume that

1	the LAN will "see: the Internet PC by having each WS route via the 
192.168.1.100 server?

2	but equally the Internet PC is a 'second' server in that it needs to route the 
Internet to the others?  in other words 192.168.1.200 is both a local machine and a 
'server/route' for the others to reach the  Internet?

I know that my terminology is muddled but this is my way of seeing it and I really do 
have problems in understanding "routers"!!!!





 Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:31:53 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>OK Graham,
>  This is part of the procedure I wanted to document but
>you have jumped ahead a bit. So lets sort this problem
>and then review all that needs to be done.
>
> First Question is why do you want to run the requester on 
>your firewall PC ??
>
> A firewall/gateway PC should only need to run TCP/IP on
>both cards. If you want to run the requester on the internal
>LAN card, this is possible but this suggests to me that you
>want to use this PC as a normal workstation, which I would
>advise against. I would prefer the gateway/firewall PC run
>as a pure network "black box" however if you have to run
>it as a workstation as well it is possible.
>
>  You could go into the IBMLAN.INI and change various lines
>but the simplest way is to use the install program to do it
>for you ....
>
>  Go to \ibmlan\install directory and see if you have laninst.exe
>or peerinst.exe there (I suspect it will be the latter - the former 
>is normally only on servers). Run this program and take the 
>options tht say configure this work station. At some point you
>will come to a screen that asks which lan ports/adapters to
>use. If the first card (number zero in MPTS) is your connection
>to the ADSL modem, you should make sure this is unticked -
>you don't want the requester talking to the Internet. The other
>connection/card is the internal LAN and this should be ticked
>as requiring the requester to run on it. If you are using TCPBEUI
>(Netbios over TCPIP - (or Net Buy Off as one user at work called 
>it)), then there will be a third port that will also require enabling
>for Requester. I'd suggest that we set up this system first of all
>as your gateway out to the internet for the PCs on your LAN. 
>If you wish to extend this to be a VPN gateway into the LAN
>later, this and other settings will need to be changed. exit and 
>save changes, reboot - there should now not be an error
>dispalyed from the wkstation netbios driver and start the
>requester, it should come up and you should be able to log
>into your Internal LAN.
>
>Let me know if you get this far without problems.
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
> 
>
>
>Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>> 
>> the problem is that with BOTH cards in the PC , there is an error when I start the
>> requester.... it eventually prompts me  saying that it was unable to start the 
service

Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist

Smart Road Specialist Centre
Modbury SA 5092

61 8 8265 4022  (Voice)
61 8 8386 1795 (Fax)
gnatsmart-road dot com dot au

9=============================================

From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:34:46 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

Graham,
I bought a D-Link 10/100 card with a Realtek 8139 chipset.  I know that this combination 
works with Warp 4.  I could probably even find the model number of the D-Link card at a 
stretch, but any Realtek 8139 should work.  I'm out at Greenwith, so if you're really 
stretched getting it to work could assist.

The Accton's work well, just a pity their drivers are broken and two cards together won't 
cooperate with each other :(

Regards,

Paul.

>I think that you are correct, The cards are Accton Cheetah PCI adaptor cards... 
>EN1207D   as you suggest,  I have any number of older 10 Mbps cards but no slot 
>on the new PC  in which to insert them!!
>
>So I may need to buy a different NIC card!!
>
>I may call on your professional help!
>
>
> to On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:02:12 +1100, Paul Smedley wrote:
>
>>Graham,
>>What model Accton cards?  I had problems getting two Acton En1207D cards 
>working 
>>together, ending up replacing one of them with a new card.  Whatever I did, I just 
>>couldn't get Warp to recognise both cards.
>>
>>To cap it off, the card Telstra supplied (SMC 1211) is identical to the Acctons so 
>that 
>>didn't help either.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Paul.
>>
>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:26:16 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>>I am running the Warp 4.5  (convenience pack) and  have installed TWO Acctron 
>>>PCI 10/100 NIC cards.... 
>>>
>>>the system detects both or at least knows that they are 'there'!!  
>>>
>>>I have attempted to configure the MPTS  as follows
>>>
>>>Accton Card
>>>0 - TCPIP 
>>>Accton Card
>>>1 - NetBuis
>>>1- TCPIP
>>>
>>>with the intention of making the 1st example  the ADSL modem link....
>>>
>>>the problem is that with BOTH cards in the PC , there is an error when I start the 
>>>requester.... it eventually prompts me  saying that it was unable to start the 
>service 
>>>due to a 'cable error'!!  If I physically remove one NIC card, the requester service  
>>>starts OK..  (mind you I dont  think I actually need the requester service on this 
>PC?)
>>>
>>>the Injoy Firewall will detect BOTH cards on install however and prompts me to 
>>>nominate the NIC card to use.... lan0 is the one that I choose...
>>>
>>>so there is a hiccup so far.... Daryl is aware of it and wondered if it was a problem 
>>>with the actual NIC card and its NIF file???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:58:25 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>>The basic difference is that WSeb (like Warp Server) supports up to 4
>>>>network
>>>>cards. I'm pretty sure that the Client OS can only support 2. That might
>>>>seem
>>>>not be be a problem with usage as a firewall, but if TCPBEUI support is
>>>>required
>>>>on either of the cards, that is seen as a third card.
>>>>
>>>>Let's see what Graham is running and take it from there.
>>>>
>>>>Ed.
>>>>
>>>>Stan Pallis wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What are the differences, I'm running wseb
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Graham,
>>>>> >  Aha, Ignore my previous reply - you did "trust" me
>>>>> > re turning off cache etc. That Install procedure always
>>>>> > had some issues with timing .....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As for installing two cards in the system, it's pretty
>>>>> > straight forward but I need to know if you're running WSeB
>>>>> > or Warp Client on the box. Let me know and I point out
>>>>> > the differences.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I was considering saying, we'll take this off-list but I think
>>>>> > it may be interesting as more and more people are going to
>>>>> > Broadband connections.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As the advertising says - once you've used Broadband you
>>>>> > won't want to go back - and it's true !.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > - As you're using ADSL, we'll probably need some input
>>>>> > from Daryl as well as he runs ADSL (I run cable).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So once more - which type of Warp OS and yes which
>>>>> > telecom company ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Cheers/2
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Hi ed
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > now I am faced with installing the 2 NIC cards and trying to set up the 
>MPTN 
>>>for the
>>>>> > > separate PC that will act as the Internet 'gateway' and firewall...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Graham Norton
>>>President
>>>OS2 Users Group SA
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Graham Norton
>President
>OS2 Users Group SA
>
>
>

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:43:59 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Ians early xmas

On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:14:45 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:

>
>Umm, no one noticed the server was rebooted did they :-))

Umm, did you reboot, Ian??? :)


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... NT is a great multitasker as long as you don't open 2 applications!

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From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:21:10 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

Graham,

On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:25:05 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>As to the requester service I dont need it unless I want to run say an email server on 
>that box, but equally there is no reason why I could not run the email server (and I 
>have purchased the Hemon Brothers software)  from the file and print server 
>anyway!!!
Requester is only needed if you want to share drives to or from the gateway machine.

>so I only need to have
>LAN card "0"  TCPIP  for the LAN  (intranet)
>LAN card "1" TCpIP  for the Modem/internet
>my confusion also relates to this internet server PC and its TCPIP configuration.
>lets say that I give it the following address
>2	but equally the Internet PC is a 'second' server in that it needs to route the 
>Internet to the others?  in other words 192.168.1.200 is both a local machine and a 
>'server/route' for the others to reach the  Internet?
>
>I know that my terminology is muddled but this is my way of seeing it and I really do 
>have problems in understanding "routers"!!!!

Unless Internode will allow packets from your WS machines, you'll need a product 
such as Injoy Firewall or Safefire Firewall to allows packets from your WS to be routed 
to the Internet.

I have a similar setup here with 2 NICS, 1 to the cable modem the other for the LAN, 
using Injoy Firewall to allow the 2nd PC to use the Internet.

Regards,

Paul.

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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:39:00 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ADSL NIC cards

Hi Paul

it seems that you set up is exactly the same that I intend other than I will be using 
ADSL .

I have also purchased  Injoy Firewall!!  Sorry that I forgot that information....


On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:21:10 +1100, Paul Smedley wrote:

>Graham,
>
>On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:25:05 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>>As to the requester service I dont need it unless I want to run say an email server 
on 
>>that box, but equally there is no reason why I could not run the email server (and I 
>>have purchased the Hemon Brothers software)  from the file and print server 
>>anyway!!!
>Requester is only needed if you want to share drives to or from the gateway 
machine.
>
>>so I only need to have
>>LAN card "0"  TCPIP  for the LAN  (intranet)
>>LAN card "1" TCpIP  for the Modem/internet
>>my confusion also relates to this internet server PC and its TCPIP configuration.
>>lets say that I give it the following address
>>2	but equally the Internet PC is a 'second' server in that it needs to route the 
>>Internet to the others?  in other words 192.168.1.200 is both a local machine and a 
>>'server/route' for the others to reach the  Internet?
>>
>>I know that my terminology is muddled but this is my way of seeing it and I really 
do 
>>have problems in understanding "routers"!!!!
>
>Unless Internode will allow packets from your WS machines, you'll need a 
product 
>such as Injoy Firewall or Safefire Firewall to allows packets from your WS to be 
routed 
>to the Internet.
>
>I have a similar setup here with 2 NICS, 1 to the cable modem the other for the 
LAN, 
>using Injoy Firewall to allow the 2nd PC to use the Internet.
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul.
>
>

Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist

Smart Road Specialist Centre
Modbury SA 5092

61 8 8265 4022  (Voice)
61 8 8386 1795 (Fax)
gnatsmart-road dot com dot au

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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:24:36 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DOSCALL error

Ok, From seeing other postings I believe your conclusion over problems
with the cards is the Accton card and you will replace this.

Now to the Firewall PC (I'll stick with the name Firewall PC for now
although it may start to run other things in the future). 

The default route setting on all your LAN PCs should be set to the .200
address, the TCP/IP path is NOT via your file server. Your file server
expresses its role to the network via Netbeui or TCPBeui. We are talking
Purely TCPIP for your Firewall PC. So take out the Net start Req from 
startup command and any protocol entry apart from TCPIP on both
cards in MPTS.

OK, you've said lan0 (first card) is the LAN side, lan1 (second card) is
the internet side.

You will be running the Internet firewall with NAT and PPPoE support
as the "link" between your LAN and the Internet.

The internet will not be able to see any PCs inside your LAN directly 
and the PCs inside your LAN will only see the Internet by going via
the Firewall PC. Hence the reason why every PC on the LAN will need
a default route defined through TCPCFG2 to point at the firewalls lan0
card (192.168.1.200).

Any applications on the firewall PC are visible from both your LAN PCs
and the Internet. Hence if you want to run an email server, it will need 
to run on the Firewall PC. If you wish to run a web server it will need
to run on the Firewall PC.

The firewall is there to stop anyone "hacking" into your LAN, however
anything on the Firewall PC could be considered in a possibly dangerous
area so NEVER store data on the firewall PC. If you want to host some 
data on the web site, keep the data on your file server and through 
Java programming access this from the firewall PC when required.

IP Addresses. The ISP provided IP address may be a fixed address, 
something like 202.134.7.89 but it is more likely to be a DHCP address
from a group of addresses, say anywhere between 202.134.7.1 and
202.134.7.254.  You don't need to know the address for the firewall
to work. The lan1 card is defined in TCPCFG2 to use a DHCP address
and when it connects or re-connects it is given it's address by the 
ISP's DHCP server.

Now what happens when a PC on the LAN want's to go to and get
a page from a website ? Well a machine (or "host")'s identification
is not just the IP address but actually the IP address plus a 4 digit
port number.  

Lets say PC number 1 on your LAN want's to access a website. The
PC with IP address 192.168.1.1 accesses the firwall PC and the Injoy
software see's this request, if it were simply to pass this through,
the ISP's computer systems wouldn't accept it as it was expecting 
requests only from 202.134.7.89 - so it passes the request across 
but modifies the packet to say it came from 202.134.7.89. In principal
this is OK, but if multiple PCs on the LAN want to access the internet
how does the Injoy software know where to send the reply back to?
It gets a packet that says it came from 202.134.7.89 (the firewall PC)
but Injoy wouldn't know which LAN PC to pass it back to. So on the
way out Injoy actually increments the port number on the request 
and keeps a table of LAN IP addresses and port number increment.
So if LAN PC  number 1 makes a request to IP address 11.10.3.4 and
port 80 the request would be sent out perhaps with a return address of 
202.34.7.89 port 6080. Lan PC number 2 would perhaps be said to have a
return address of 202.34.7.89 port 7080. When the packets are returned
injoy see's one destined for 202.34.7.89 port 6080 and send it on to
192.168.1.1 port 80, simerly the packet labeled for 202.34.7.89 port
7080
is sent to LAN PC 2 at 192.168.1.2 port 80.

If you are running an email server or web server on the firewall PC, 
people can send and receive data from these but only if they know 
the IP address of the PC. Hence GNat202.34.7.89 - which is probably
going to cause some confusion as people are used to email 
addresses that look like GNatsmart-road dot com dot au

This is why if you wish to run a server, be it an email or a web server
there has to be a conversion between 202.34.7.89 and smart-road dot com dot au
somewhere, and this is what a DNS (or Directory Name Server) does.

For your present web and email sites, these are registered with and
hosted
by your ISP, you may chose to get this changed and switch over to your
own computer, however to do this you *MUST* have a fixed IP address -
not one that changes from time to time as can happen if its a DHCP
allocated
address.

There has been set up recently a free service to help with this problem.

An organisation called DYNDNS.ORG (Dynmaic DNS) will allow anyone to 
use their DNS server to have the IP address to name resolution taken
care
of. It also allows for a client (OS/2 supported) on your system to tell
the
DNS when your IP address has changed and so no one will realise that 
it has changed. If you don't have a fixed IP address check out their
site
at WWW.DYNDNS.ORG

See how you go with this.

I guess the next step is going to be how to setup the login to your ISP
via ADSL using PPPoE. Daryl, would you like to pick this up as you're
running this method ?

Cheers/2

Ed.
      


Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
> 
> Hi ed
> 
> this is where I think I need a lesson on LAN and protocols and TCPIP!!!
>

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From: "voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:43:35 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Ians early xmas

On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:39:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I'd be interested in an OS/2 vs Linux shoot-off on performance - the
>earlier
>versions of Linux were slimline and quick but it seems that some
>versions 
>of Linux now set higher requirements for minimum hrdware .....

on every hardware that I have tried, Linux+gui (generally,  COL with KDE);
required significantly more hardware:

that is: hardware than run OS/2 after a defult install, run Linux rather slugishly after default install;

I've tried a variety of machines up to PII 300 with 64MB RAM;

of course, Linux without GUI will run on anyhthing...
