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Tuesday 04 March 2008
 Number  1616
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
2   FireFox : Andrew Hood" <andrew.hood2 at bigpond dot com>
3  Re:  FireFox : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
4   optus cable broadband? : Chris Neeson" <neeson.cj.oz at gmail dot com>
5  Re:  optus cable broadband? : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
6  Re:  optus cable broadband? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7  Re:  FireFox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
8  Re:  optus cable broadband? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
9  Re:  FireFox : Peter L Allen" <allenpl at tastelfibre dot com dot au>
10  Re:  FireFox : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
11  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
13  Re:  FireFox : Andrew Hood" <andrew.hood2 at bigpond dot com>
14  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
15   New Topic: Open Office Databases : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
16  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
17  Re:  Time setting was Capturing flash video from browsers : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:17:50 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers

John Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:32:47 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>>  I've just come across an extension for Firefox (that works in the OS/2 
>> build) - to download the flash (flv) files for later viewing it's here:
>>
>> http://www.downloadhelper dot net/
>>
>>     
>
> Hmm, odd behaviour here.
>
> I can't see the YouTube stuff that matters:
> " String Fever (Bolero)
> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's
> Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player (link)."
>
> I have a lot of extensions, so if anyone knows which one/s are
> useful/useless for this Flash/Javascript issue please tell me :-)
>
> I am on Firefox 2.0.0.11 with 
> DownloadHelper enabled (default Preferences)
> Flashblock disabledNoScript enabled Whitelist includes ytimg (YouTube) but
> ads.doubleclick dot net is blocked
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ________________________
>
>
> PS: String Fever is a fabulous classical Aus group - if you are into
> anything classical they are a amazing with "Typewriter" "The History of
> Music" and so
> skilled in "Dueling Banjos" and "Bolero" 
>
> And don't miss "The Mom Song" aka William Tell Overture
>

>  

>
>   
Hi John,

  This add-in does not display flash - it only downloads the files. You 
need a working flash plugin as before to view the videos.

I have installed this on FF/2 v 2.011 (where I do not have a working 
flash plug-in) and on FF 3.03(beta) where I do - in both cases, rmb on 
the list of small pictures gives an option to download the file - and it 
works on both versions.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:58:16 +1100
From:  "Andrew Hood" <andrew.hood2 at bigpond dot com>
Subject:   FireFox

Greetings all,

I decided to try firefox again after a long time.  Previous experience is that it will only open the properties window and I've never been able to get it past that.  I downloaded the latest version from the OS2site and unzipped/installed as per instructions, guess what, doublclick on the icon and it opens the properties window.

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or missing the point of here?

TIA

Andrew
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:37:41 +1030
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  FireFox

Hi Andrew,

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:58:16 +1100
  "Andrew Hood" <andrew.hood2 at bigpond dot com> wrote:
> I decided to try firefox again after a long time. 
> Previous experience is that it will only open the 
>properties window and I've never been able to get it past 
>that.  I downloaded the latest version from the OS2site 
>and unzipped/installed as per instructions, guess what, 
>doublclick on the icon and it opens the properties 
>window.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or missing the 
>point of here?

Try it from a command line - I'll bet you're missing a 
required DLL.

Do you have libc063.dll in your libpath?

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:24:13 +1100
From:  "Chris Neeson" <neeson.cj.oz at gmail dot com>
Subject:   optus cable broadband?

I've been visited by the dreaded
door to door salesman, about using
Optus Broadband Cable
( or cable broadband - they're upgrading
  the cable strung along our street
  and he reckons it's different to the
  broadband currently available ).

He reckons that the installing tech
can & will do all the config needed
for the cable modem, even for OS/2.

Given the inability of most techs
to start anything other than WinSomething,
I'd like to hear the user group's
experience & wisdom on the usefulness
of gettting a physical broadband cable
modem.


Regards
Chris

[attachments have been removed]
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:35:18 +1100
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  optus cable broadband?

Hi Chris,

You have been lied to.!
Optus from my own experience DEMAND windows.
The techs do not know anything else.

Put in a temporary hard drive, install windows XP, let the tech set it up
and make sure it works, then rip it out after the tech leaves.  Put back os/2.

The only main thing you should do is insist that they do NOT try and use 
a USB connection for the modem to the computer. It must be ethernet.
Make sure your computer has a working network card that works in 
windows and os/2.

I don't believe you would have much problems if you do as above.

Luck.
Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
4 March 2008   14:34


On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:24:13 +1100, Chris Neeson wrote:
> I've been visited by the dreaded door to door salesman, about using
> Optus Broadband Cable ( or cable broadband - they're upgrading
> the cable strung along our street   and he reckons it's different to the
> broadband currently available ).
> 
> He reckons that the installing tech can & will do all the config needed
> for the cable modem, even for OS/2.
> 
> Given the inability of most techs to start anything other than WinSomething,
> I'd like to hear the user group's experience & wisdom on the usefulness
> of gettting a physical broad> 
> 
> Regards
> Chris


   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \   email    rtraynor.removeme at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 


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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:01:55 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  optus cable broadband?

if it's got an ethernet connection, anything should work with it


<quote who="Chris Neeson">
> I've been visited by the dreaded
> door to door salesman, about using Optus Broadband Cable
> ( or cable broadband - they're upgrading
> the cable strung along our street and he reckons it's different to the
> broadband currently available ).
>
> He reckons that the installing tech
> can & will do all the config needed for the cable modem, even for OS/2.
>
> Given the inability of most techs
> to start anything other than WinSomething, I'd like to hear the user
> group's experience & wisdom on the usefulness of gettting a physical
> broadband cable modem.
>
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
>
> [attachments have been removed]
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> 

>
>


-- 
Voytek

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:13:28 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  FireFox

Andrew Hood wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I decided to try firefox again after a long time.  Previous experience is that it will only open the properties window and I've never been able to get it past that.  I downloaded the latest version from the OS2site and unzipped/installed as per instructions, guess what, doublclick on the icon and it opens the properties window.
>
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or missing the point of here?
>
> TIA
>
> Andrew

>  

>
>   
You need to have the Libc DLL set installed in the path somewhere.

Cheers/2

Ed.


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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:29:25 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  optus cable broadband?

Chris Neeson wrote:
> I've been visited by the dreaded
> door to door salesman, about using
> Optus Broadband Cable
> ( or cable broadband - they're upgrading
>   the cable strung along our street
>   and he reckons it's different to the
>   broadband currently available ).
>
> He reckons that the installing tech
> can & will do all the config needed
> for the cable modem, even for OS/2.
>
> Given the inability of most techs
> to start anything other than WinSomething,
> I'd like to hear the user group's
> experience & wisdom on the usefulness
> of gettting a physical broadband cable
> modem.
>
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
> [attachments have been removed]

>  

>
>   
Cable systems, whether it is Optus or Telstra now use standard DOCSIS 
modems and do not need a special login client (as Bigpond used to, but 
Optus never did). All the configuration takes place in the modem and 
somehoe the MAC address of the device is recorded as being you so that 
you get the bill for its usage. The modem is in fact a gateway and DHCP 
server to your network.

So simply have the tech install the system - plus the cat6 UTP cable 
from the modem into a lan switch and connect all your network devices to 
the switch as well - set them all to configure as DHCP and restart them, 
they will search for a DHCP server - the modem will respond giving them 
each a separate IP address (most likely 192.168.1.something or 
192.168.100.something) it will also tell the devices to use itself as 
the default gateway and give them DNS addresses, except if it also acts 
as a DNS cache in which case it will give them its address for DNS as well.

You should have NO problems !!

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:50:03 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Peter L Allen" <allenpl at tastelfibre dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  FireFox

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:13:28 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Andrew Hood wrote:
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I decided to try firefox again after a long time.  Previous experience is that it will only 
open the properties window and I've never been able to get it past that.  I downloaded 
the latest version from the OS2site and unzipped/installed as per instructions, guess 
what, doublclick on the icon and it opens the properties window.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or missing the point of here?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Andrew
>
>>  
>
>>
>>   
>You need to have the Libc DLL set installed in the path somewhere.
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
According to the poster, he has only ever seen the properties page!
In my experience it bleats if the dll is unaccessable.
If FF has never been run - don't you have to set up a profile?
firefox /p or something.
Once running, move the profile data so it does'nt get overwritten during updates.
Current version installs may do this?
					Regards,
							allenpl



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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:18:53 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  FireFox

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:50:03 +1100 (EDT), Peter L Allen wrote:

>>You need to have the Libc DLL set installed in the path somewhere.
>>
>>Cheers/2
>>
>>Ed.
>>
>According to the poster, he has only ever seen the properties page!
>In my experience it bleats if the dll is unaccessable.
>If FF has never been run - don't you have to set up a profile?
>firefox /p or something.
>Once running, move the profile data so it does'nt get overwritten during updates.
>Current version installs may do this?

This kind of error could be an associations problem... meaning something
went wrong with the install.

The most common install problem is to install over the top of a previous
one.

I would recommend two things:
a) view the archive with something like the eCS Archive Viewer to see if
everything is in the package
If not, download again.
b) unzip the archive to a fresh folder, where it will create a few
sub-folders.
c) check for latest LIBC DLL as others have posted
d) check in the docs for advice on CONFIG settings for
MOZ_PROFILES
and
MOZ_HOME

Start the exe from that folder, and see if it runs.

First run should create  a default profile in the path set for the
Moz_Profiles


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:33:04 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:17:50 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Hi John,
>
>  This add-in does not display flash - it only downloads the files. You 
>need a working flash plugin as before to view the videos.
>
>I have installed this on FF/2 v 2.011 (where I do not have a working 
>flash plug-in) and on FF 3.03(beta) where I do - in both cases, rmb on 
>the list of small pictures gives an option to download the file - and it 
>works on both versions.

Hi Ed. Thanks for the pointers. 

With the help of the DownloadHelper Help, I figured it out eventually.

There is a DLH icon next to the address bar, which activates when the page
has files available to download. Then a small triangle shows so you can
drop down the list and save as you wish.

Once I have FLV files in my system, I can play them in MPlayer - much
bigger screen space than within the browser.

All I did was add *.FLV to my Associations page of MPlayer and we were
away.

No sound yet but we think that's a hardware problem. 


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:48:14 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers

John Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:17:50 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi John,
>>
>>  This add-in does not display flash - it only downloads the files. You 
>> need a working flash plugin as before to view the videos.
>>
>> I have installed this on FF/2 v 2.011 (where I do not have a working 
>> flash plug-in) and on FF 3.03(beta) where I do - in both cases, rmb on 
>> the list of small pictures gives an option to download the file - and it 
>> works on both versions.
>>     
>
> Hi Ed. Thanks for the pointers. 
>
> With the help of the DownloadHelper Help, I figured it out eventually.
>
> There is a DLH icon next to the address bar, which activates when the page
> has files available to download. Then a small triangle shows so you can
> drop down the list and save as you wish.
>
> Once I have FLV files in my system, I can play them in MPlayer - much
> bigger screen space than within the browser.
>
> All I did was add *.FLV to my Associations page of MPlayer and we were
> away.
>
> No sound yet but we think that's a hardware problem. 
>
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________

>  

>
>   
OK - The FLV files do have audio on them as I have dowloaded several and 
transferred them to my EeePC and played them there.

By the way is your clock 1 hour out ? the e-mail from you says sent 
21:33 and it's only 20:45 now. - perhaps its my settings (again) ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:41:14 +1100
From:  "Andrew Hood" <andrew.hood2 at bigpond dot com>
Subject:  Re:  FireFox

Thankyou for all the replies.

It was in fact my problem, had libc063 installed but the directory was not in the PATH statment.  Moved it to \os2\dll and it fired up and worked OK (after a restart anyway).  Now to start looking around for all the plugins I've been reading about to see if I can get them to work too.

Thanks again

Andrew
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:27:36 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:48:14 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>OK - The FLV files do have audio on them as I have dowloaded several and 
>transferred them to my EeePC and played them there.
>
>By the way is your clock 1 hour out ? the e-mail from you says sent 
>21:33 and it's only 20:45 now. - perhaps its my settings (again) ?

Timestamp in my Sent folder shows as 
Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:33:04 +1000 (AEST)

Weasel shows current time as 24hr 22:xx at the time last email went out

Hmm, Microsoft answer I think: the problem's at your end - it's leaving
here fine :-)


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:37:17 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   New Topic: Open Office Databases

Hi all.

Anyone used OO to create or read databases?

I keep getting really stoopid errors "General Input/Output Error" when I
try to create one. I mean that's taking MS compatibility just a little too
far!

All the docs look terrific - import from CSV and all but I can't get the
blameed thing to start.

So far, I reckon dear old dBExpert walks over this thing.


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:51:20 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Capturing flash video from browsers

On 04/03/08 23:27, John Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:48:14 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>> By the way is your clock 1 hour out ? the e-mail from you says sent
>>  21:33 and it's only 20:45 now. - perhaps its my settings (again) ?
>> 
> 
> Timestamp in my Sent folder shows as Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:33:04 +1000
> (AEST)

It's that +1000 that's the problem. It should be +1100. You haven't
switched to summer time (or you've switched away from it prematurely).
Strange, I thought that eCSclock handled daylight saving very well.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                       http://www.pmoylan dot org
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**= Email   17 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:01:42 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Time setting was Capturing flash video from browsers

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:51:20 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:

Hi Peter.

>On 04/03/08 23:27, John Angelico wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:48:14 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>>> By the way is your clock 1 hour out ? the e-mail from you says sent
>>>  21:33 and it's only 20:45 now. - perhaps its my settings (again) ?
>>> 
>> 
>> Timestamp in my Sent folder shows as Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:33:04 +1000
>> (AEST)
>
>It's that +1000 that's the problem. It should be +1100. You haven't
>switched to summer time (or you've switched away from it prematurely).
>Strange, I thought that eCSclock handled daylight saving very well.

My cities file shows all eastern time zone cities as Zone K, UTC+10
DLS dates look OK March 30th 2008 to revert to AEST from AEDT, and next
start is Oct 29th 2008. 

But I see what you mean - timestamp says AEST.

Config shows:
REM *** The TZ string is maintained by eCS Clock. Do not change manually!
Please refer to the clock's manual. ***
SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600


Puzzle for no 2 son when he returns later this evening. :-)




Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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