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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:33:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Power Failure

Yep, 

Murphys Law.......

First the UPS goes last night, then tonight we have a power
failure for more than an hour. 

Yep.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Did the lights go out?

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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:04:59 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released

** Reply to note from "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au> Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:41:21 +1000 (EST)


> >Imho last builds od Odin are worth a try. 
>  
> you can also run RealPlayer 8 and Star Office5.2 for 
> windows with Odin too and almost install Quicktime 5!

sorry, as I do not use Win apps, I've never really followed the Odin development
so, is Odin an 'up-to-date Win-OS2' ?

a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off
simply installing windoze under BM ?




Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:19:02 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DIVE problems fixed!!

Hi Gavin,
I'm guessing, but I suspect full-hardware detection was done upon
installing the sound-card.

There is stuff in the WPS regarding PnP & of course Video:- it is not
all in the config.sys!

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My DIVE problem was fixed when I decided to install a sound card.  That's right... a sound card, a SB16 PnP
> to be exact.  A quick selective install and  reboot later... success!
> 
> Cheers
> Gavin
> 
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
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     IBM Certified Systems Expert

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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:47:29 -0400
From: Chris Neeson <Chris_Neesonatcompuserve dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] 5 1/4" mini-floppies

Hi Daryl.

I keep 5 1/4" floppies on hand for similar reasons
eg old hardware support executables which expect
     5 1/4" drives when the unbundler executes,
     or being able to read something somebody put onto
     5 1/4" floppies years ago and never got around to
     moving onto 3 1/2" floppies or a hard disk

Unfortunately, I'm in Melbourne.

But, if you still need some next time you come through
give me a call.


Regards
Chris

-------------------- Daryl emailed -----------------------

>Hi,
>Don't laugh, but I've just put a 5 1/4" mini-floppy drive in my IBM 310
>Server, occasionally I need to transfer data from that format to
>something a bit more modern like CD-R, :)
>
>Problem is, I've got no floppies to test it with!
>
>Anybody got any 1.2MB 5 1/4" mini-floppy disks, that still work, that I
>could test with in Sydney?
>
>-- =

>Regards, =

>
>Daryl  Pilkington =

>
>//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
>O<O  AUSTRALIA

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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:12:41 -0400
From: Chris Neeson <Chris_Neesonatcompuserve dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI

Hi Steve.

A couple of comments:

IF you install a new OS2 onto a drive F:

THEN its config.sys will be full of references to F:
           ( as the installed boot drive )

           as will the Extended Attributes file, AND
           the ini files OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI

IF       you then copy that drive to some other drive,

AND  that new drive has a different drive letter to F:
         ( at boot )

THEN your CONFIG.SYS and Extended Attributes
                   and OS2*.INI files won't make sense
                   ( neither will a whole heap of product
                     INI files )

( YES, I have done this! )

Solutions:

- use another method, or

- you might be able to use LVM to set the same drive 'name'
  on your target partition as the one you installed OS2 onto, or

- I used Norton's DOS DISKEDIT to change
  ( yes, by hand! ) each and every drive reference
  in the Extended Attribute file and INI files when
  I did this, which got me out of trouble
  ( this method would be an answer AFTER you find out
    that you've charged up the creek without a drive letter,
    NOT something you'd plan on doing ), or

- anybody with other/better suggestions?


Regarding SCSI or IDE,

- I prefer SCSI as a protocol/data mover

- but, I tend to use IDE for boot partitions
  ( partly by sentiment,
    partly because you can always shove a
    basic IDE card which doesn't even have a BIOS,
    and uses jumpers for all settings,
    into a slot to get a boot from a IDE drive;
    for those times when your motherboard or
    controller EEPROM/NVRAM settings don't
    make sense, and you need a boot to run a
    diagnostic to see what the settings are
    compared to what you want )

Regards
Chris.

---------------- steve emailed --------------------

>Hi.
>I will be migrating my warpserver onto some new hardware.
>I am considering moving from IDE to SCSI and would apprciate some
>recommendations to ease the move.
>
>I have partitions c: thru h:, warpserver on c:, another bootable
>install on f:.
>My thoughts are =

>1. to partition and format the new drive. =

>2. Install a working copy of OS/2 on f:
>3. copy via network data on C:, d:, e:, g: & H:.
>4. Patch the original (now copied) warpserver config.sys and add scsi
>support from working f:
>5. Boot to warpserver on c:.
>6. Copy f: across.
>
>Please point out the pitfalls, is the move to scsi warranted, I am
>using 10000 rpm ibm drives with 5 yr warranty in another server and
>they seem good.
>
>steve

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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:11:57 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released


Voytek Eymont schreef:

> ** Reply to note from "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au> Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:41:21 +1000 (EST)
>
> > >Imho last builds od Odin are worth a try.
> >
> > you can also run RealPlayer 8 and Star Office5.2 for
> > windows with Odin too and almost install Quicktime 5!
>
> sorry, as I do not use Win apps, I've never really followed the Odin development
> so, is Odin an 'up-to-date Win-OS2' ?
>

It's a system to have Win32 native executables run in OS/2. It's still in stage alpha, but last few
months there have been some good results.



>
> a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off
> simply installing windoze under BM ?

Yes, if you would want to do so. On the other hand, you really don't want it (same for me).

So Odin is a nice alternative to have a look at the dark side without sacrifying OS/2 nor anything.

BTW: the Opera/2 executive is an OS/2 executive. But it uses the Odin DLL as API.

As I told already, it's worth a try.


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris


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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:52:39 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl> Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:11:57 +0200


> It's a system to have Win32 native executables run in OS/2. It's still in 

thanks

> > a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off 
> > simply installing windoze under BM ? 
>  
> Yes, if you would want to do so. On the other hand, you really don't want it 
> (same for me).

well, I didn't want to that, say, 5 years ago.
now, I really don't care. I reinstalled original w95 preload on TP, and, added some
wincrap apps, and, well, whilst I can't say I'm exstatic... I don't mind some of the
win stuff.

I perversely love it when win crap GPFs, of course, as it reminds me why I don't use
it.

so, basically, if I want win-something, I guess, I'll just install win (rtaher than
Odin), basically. cause it's easier: recovery CD, come back, done


> So Odin is a nice alternative to have a look at the dark side without 
> sacrifying OS/2 nor anything. 
>  
> BTW: the Opera/2 executive is an OS/2 executive. But it uses the Odin DLL as API. 
>  
> As I told already, it's worth a try.

I'm sure it is, if I only had time.... there is too many things I'd rather, first,
before I can try Odin.

then again, *perhaps*..... depending on, maybe, Opera/2 feedback.... it just might make
an Odin install move up in priority.... who knows.



Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:44:45 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI

Thanks Chris.
I will only be copying c: to c: etc up to h: to h: so that should be
ok.
I should only need to patch the disk drivers on c: to access scsi from
the ide setup copied from the old drive.

I note the comment regarding

>   partly because you can always shove a
    basic IDE card which doesn't even have a BIOS,
    and uses jumpers for all settings,
    into a slot to get a boot from a IDE drive;
    for those times when your motherboard

And this is so true for drive/disaster recovery

steve 


On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:12:41 -0400, Chris Neeson wrote:

>A couple of comments:
>
>IF you install a new OS2 onto a drive F:
>
>THEN its config.sys will be full of references to F:
>           ( as the installed boot drive )
>
>           as will the Extended Attributes file, AND
>           the ini files OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI
>
>IF       you then copy that drive to some other drive,
>
>AND  that new drive has a different drive letter to F:
>         ( at boot )
>
>THEN your CONFIG.SYS and Extended Attributes
>                   and OS2*.INI files won't make sense
>                   ( neither will a whole heap of product
>                     INI files )
>
>( YES, I have done this! )

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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:43:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released

On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:04:59, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au> Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:41:21 +1000 (EST)
>
>
>> >Imho last builds od Odin are worth a try. 
>>  
>> you can also run RealPlayer 8 and Star Office5.2 for 
>> windows with Odin too and almost install Quicktime 5!
>
>sorry, as I do not use Win apps, I've never really followed the Odin development
>so, is Odin an 'up-to-date Win-OS2' ?
>
>a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off
>simply installing windoze under BM ?

sure that is an option. But if you have a need for real
player you can run the windows version as a native OS/2 app
without rebooting if that takes your fancy. I don't use
windows either - these are installed and run from OS/2.
>
>
>
>
>Voytek Eymont
>SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
>phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:06:59 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI



Chris Neeson schreef:

>
> - anybody with other/better suggestions?
>

Yep. Just move the files/directories bij means of the drives object. *.ini and EA and
WPS will be updated automagically.
You need alter the config.sys file manually though. And copy the hidden/system files
from the one root to the other:

xcopy x:\ f:\ /h /o /t /e /r /v


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris


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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:36:49 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released

I think the one area where Odin and Opera/2 together really make sense is Browser
plugins. Without Odin, how are you going to play Realplay audio streams from the web?

And more and more plugins are only Win32. The Opera/2 (which can use OS/2 or Win32
applications because of ODIN) browser becomes a way to stayon the web and on OS/2.

I guess it depends how important these features are to you.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> now, I really don't care. I reinstalled original w95 preload on TP, and, added some
> wincrap apps, and, well, whilst I can't say I'm exstatic... I don't mind some of the
> win stuff.
>
> I perversely love it when win crap GPFs, of course, as it reminds me why I don't use
> it.
>
> so, basically, if I want win-something, I guess, I'll just install win (rtaher than
> Odin), basically. cause it's easier: recovery CD, come back, done

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:17:27 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI

Hi Kris

>xcopy x:\ f:\ /h /o /t /e /r /v

You forgot the /s  as in HOTSERV  /h/o/t/s/e/r/v  ;-)


Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

On a clear disk you can seek forever
