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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:08:55 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warpcentre File Backup

Peter,

It is probably best to stick with what you know works.

I like Deskbak because it backs everything up into a compressed zip
file on another partition or drive.
It generates a rexx cmd file that when run deletes the files
it is to replace first.  Thereby ensuring that all EAs are replaced
with the files in the backup.

Its main problem is that as it was created at a time when hard drives
were very small, it has a problem with very large partitions where
it backs up to, but not run from.
I overcome this by saving the backup files to a small maintenance
partition on a logical drive, which also gives me the means to
access the backup and run it.

The backup makes incremental backups and you can set the number of
incremental backups and/or set the amount of disk space to fill to.
Each backup contains all the crucial files required by os2.
Ie. Os2*.ini, config.sys, autoexec.bat, and the complete desktop.
To that I have added the dock* files and others like the winos2
*.ini files and the networking related *.ini files.
It is very customizable.

I first started using Deskbak around the time of Os2 2.11 or so.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
9 July 2001   7:03


On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:59:05 +1000, Peter Godbold wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> 
> > Peter,
> > 
> >  . . . . . . . .
> > 
> > As John would know, I use "Deskbak" to backup the whole os/2
> > desktop and all crucial files.  It is a pity that the author,
> > Andrew Keil, lost his source code years ago.  It is a very
> > good backup system even with the few known problems it has
> > and I far prefer it to Unimaint's backup system.
> > 
> > Deskbak is available to all members of MelbPc Os2 SIG group
> > on a donation basis, courtesy of Andrew Keil, past Co-ordinator.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > 6 July 2001   18:06
> > 
> 
> I've been running Unimaint for a couple of years, and it has saved my
> skin on at least one occasion. Normally I am not even conscious of it,
> as I start Uniwatch minimised in the background with every system
> reboot.  Would you think Deskbak to be a better option than using
> Unimaint's "Supplementary Backup" process, with Uniwatch doing the
> desktop backups?
> 
> Peter





   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 


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From: "VanEps, Brad" <BVanEpsatracq dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:16:35 +1000 

G'Day!

> From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> Hi Brad,
>   Did you say Optus only gives you 128k on the uplink ?

This is correct.  Then again, that's FULL ISDN speed for upload, which isn't
too bad!  The reason for this is that OptusatHome is for home use only, not
business use, so they don't allow any servers to be run from your end (FTP,
HTTP etc).  The only time I ever notice the lower uplink speed is when I'm
sending rediculously large e-mail attachments, which may take a couple of
minutes.


>   Telstra/Foxtels unlimited bandwidth option is supposed
>  to be in both directions. The maximum I've achieved is
>  "only" 2MB/s that only once so far (the speed restrictions
>  are often "further down the line")

Having a look at Telstra's broadband offerrings on their website, it seems
that their unlimited bandwidth offerings (aimed at business) have a
500Mb/month transfer limit!  Their home offerings (slower speed) have the
new 3Gb cap as well.


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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 Information Services
 Royal Automobile Club of Queensland
 2649 Logan Rd, Eight Mile Plains, QLD 4113
 Ph: (07)3361 2876       Fax: (07)3841 1048
 E-mail: bvanepsatracq dot com dot au

 OS/2 WARPed for REAL Power!
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from electronic viruses, faults or defects.


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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:30:04 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warpcentre File Backup

Hi Bob

>It is probably best to stick with what you know works.

I'd agree with this.

>I like Deskbak because it backs everything up into a compressed zip
>file on another partition or drive.
>It generates a rexx cmd file that when run deletes the files

Sounds like this would be easy to run than UniMaint, same thing
happens.

>Its main problem is that as it was created at a time when hard drives
>were very small, it has a problem with very large partitions where
>it backs up to, but not run from.

Bummer

>> > As John would know, I use "Deskbak" to backup the whole os/2
>> > desktop and all crucial files.  It is a pity that the author,
>> > Andrew Keil, lost his source code years ago.  It is a very

Bigger Bummer

>> > good backup system even with the few known problems it has
>> > and I far prefer it to Unimaint's backup system.

Less mouse clicks :-)

>> > Deskbak is available to all members of MelbPc Os2 SIG group
>> > on a donation basis, courtesy of Andrew Keil, past Co-ordinator.

Hi John :-)  How do I get a copy ?
 

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

From the Department of Redundancy Dept.

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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:19:27 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

I run the unlimited Bandwidth (Business) option and I peak at 350 MB
download a month, so no problems there (as yet). I run a web server
for training, that's why I went for this option.

Cheers/2
Ed.

"VanEps, Brad" wrote:
> 
> G'Day!
> 
> > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> > Hi Brad,
> >   Did you say Optus only gives you 128k on the uplink ?
> 
> This is correct.  Then again, that's FULL ISDN speed for upload, which isn't
> too bad!  The reason for this is that OptusatHome is for home use only, not
> business use, so they don't allow any servers to be run from your end (FTP,
> HTTP etc).  The only time I ever notice the lower uplink speed is when I'm
> sending rediculously large e-mail attachments, which may take a couple of
> minutes.
> 
> >   Telstra/Foxtels unlimited bandwidth option is supposed
> >  to be in both directions. The maximum I've achieved is
> >  "only" 2MB/s that only once so far (the speed restrictions
> >  are often "further down the line")
> 
> Having a look at Telstra's broadband offerrings on their website, it seems
> that their unlimited bandwidth offerings (aimed at business) have a
> 500Mb/month transfer limit!  Their home offerings (slower speed) have the
> new 3Gb cap as well.
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>  Brad van Eps, B.Eng     Systems/Database Administrator
>  Information Services
>  Royal Automobile Club of Queensland
>  2649 Logan Rd, Eight Mile Plains, QLD 4113
>  Ph: (07)3361 2876       Fax: (07)3841 1048
>  E-mail: bvanepsatracq dot com dot au
> 
>  OS/2 WARPed for REAL Power!
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> Please Note:
> 
> This communication has been sent on behalf of The Royal Automobile Club of
> Queensland Limited (RACQ).  The information contained in this communication
> may be privileged and confidential.  If you are not the intended recipient,
> any use, disclosure or copying of this communication is expressly
> prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please delete
> it immediately.  RACQ and its associated entities do not warrant or
> represent that this communication (including any enclosed files) is free
> from electronic viruses, faults or defects.
 
5==============================================

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:09:41 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:19:27 +1000


> I run the unlimited Bandwidth (Business) option and I peak at 350 MB 
> download a month, so no problems there (as yet). I run a web server 
> for training, that's why I went for this option.

Ed,

so, are on on Telstra ?
what router ?
how long it takes to get service estabilished ?



Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:32:57 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Yes I'm on Telstra (/Foxtel)
 I already had one connection installed (for the TV). I had them add 
an additional outlet in my office and the supplied Cable Modem is the
one supplied by Telstra (Actually a Nortel box). That's connected 
to my Firewall PC running FX Comunications software and NAT out 
to two PCs (The wife's and mine).

Peak download speed is 2 MB/s - upload should be the same in theory.

It took about a week to get confirmation that I could have a connection
(Their records of who already has Foxtel cable, seem a little shakey).
The installation took place about three weeks later nd was done by
two sub-contractors. One to run the cable and put the extra socket in,
another to deliver and install the cable modem. By the way you HAVE
to have a Win98 PC for them to install, set up and enable the link on.

If the PC already has an ethernet card in it, they will simply hand you
their ethernet card (presuming you selected the Ethernet, not the USB
option) with it's driver disk.

The first guy probably took about 2 hours, but this will depend on where
you want the cable running to. The second guy took about an hour.
The second only came once he got a call from the first to say the site
was ready.

If you don't already have cable you'll need to add a delay (and cost) in
for this. You don't have to have Foxtel TV to be able to use the cable
for Internet connection (I didn't to start with).

I'm pretty impressed with the service, especially since the monthly 
charges went down just after I signed up and my payments were
correctly adjusted without me having to do anything !

Cheers/2

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> so, are on on Telstra ?
> what router ?
> how long it takes to get service estabilished ?
>

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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:07:56 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:32:57 +1000


> Yes I'm on Telstra (/Foxtel) 
>  I already had one connection installed (for the TV)

oops, I thought you were on ADSL...

thanks, anyhow

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

8==============================================

Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:05:21 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Before I moved to my present house, I applied to get ADSL
from Telstra. First of all they said they didn't know if I could
get it. Then they said Yes, subject to a test. Before they could
do this test a builder dig up the phone cable meaning it had to
be repaired and while being repaired, the cabling channel carrying
the cables filled with water due to a torrential storm. End result
more repairs and when they finally tested fot ADSL usage the
signal strength wasn't high enough (surprise, surprise !).

From everyone I've talked to and from what I've seen, ADSL
is in it's early stages and is still having problems, if Cable is
an alternative option, go with it. It's techology that's tried 
and tested and doesn't rely on 50 year old copper cables.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:32:57 +1000
> 
> > Yes I'm on Telstra (/Foxtel)
> >  I already had one connection installed (for the TV)
> 
> oops, I thought you were on ADSL...
> 
> thanks, anyhow
> 
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118
