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From: "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:56:07 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

PM stand for "Presentation Manager".  It's the interface that (most)
GUI apps use under OS/2.  All the push buttons, check boxes, radio
buttons, entry fields etc. you see are defined as parts of the PM
interface.  There are also more complicated parts like the file dialog.

Now, the Workplace Shell (WPS or Desktop) is a PM application.  It's
extremely complex and the best thing since sliced bread, but it is just
another PM application.  You don't have to use it.  If you want to you
can replace it with another "program launcher".  There used to be one
called something like "tinyshell" and one of the popular desktop
enhancers could also be run by itself in place of the desktop (I've
forgotten which but PC/2 comes to mind).  You can also boot to a just
an OS/2 window.  I don't mean the command line you see when using
ALT-F1 then F2, but a command prompt window sitting over a blank
background.  Or you can boot directly to your favourite application.

The interface under 1.1 - 1.3 was much simpler than the WPS.  It was
much closer to being a simple program launcher.  Again it used PM for
all the display and the applications used PM as well.  I remember in
2.0 there was a way to get back to using this inteface.  But I never
did it (I've been using OS/2 since 1.2).  I don't know if it's still
there in 4.0.  I think it's something to do with makeini and an RC
file.  

The way to use a shell other than the WPS, is to change the following
line in the CONFIG.SYS:

	SET RUNWORKPLACE=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE

If you change this to another PM application, this will be started in
place of the WPS.  If you change it to 

	SET RUNWORKPLACE=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE

you will see the command prompt over a blank background I mention
above.  From here you can run any PM application.  I've actually just
done this and started PMMail from the command prompt to finish this and
EPM to fix the CONFIG.SYS so that I can reboot to the WPS again.  Also,
you can manually start the WPS by running PMSHELL.EXE from the command
prompt.  This is commonly done by people writing WPS enhancers.   

OK, I think that's enough for now.  Hopefully I haven't bored anyone
too much.  And hopefully there aren't any glaring errors I'm going to
see as soon as I send this.  Though of course, any errors are
deliberate to give everyone something to discuss :)

David Forrester


On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:07:42 +1100, mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:

>Hi Ed,
>         It must be my fascination with history that makes me want know
>about about such archaic topics, but having never seen any of the early
>versions of OS/2, would mind explain what the PM inteface is/was. 
>        You say we could use it on Warp, but would that be instead of
>using the Workplace shell? How would one go about doing it? (just out
>morbid curiousity) And would I be correct in thinking of it in the same
>context as win3.1?
>      
>    Thanks 
>
>Mark
>       In <3B39B08E.71282EADatbigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/27/01 
>   at 08:08 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:
>
>>Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT the PM
>>interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface can be used on
>>Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3
>
>>Ed.
>
>>mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:
>>> 
>>> g'day again,
>>>         Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne
>>> <http://www.pr.uoguelph.ca/cpayne/planet.htm> and was wondering if what he
>>> has written is correct.
>>> 
>>> Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
>>> of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
>>> owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS).
>>> 
>>> If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
>>> better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
>>> is actually owned by them.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
--
David Forrester
davidforatterrigal dot net dot au
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

2=============================================

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:03:32 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

The PMShell as it is known is the command processor set in the OS2Shell
variable in config.sys, gives you the usual windows and icons that
you are used to, but the whole WPS is not there, That means limited 
drag and drop etc. The main thing is that it is not "Object orientated"
- you don't have classes and objects as you do in WPS. There's also
no "launchpad" or "warpcentre" everything is started from Icons within
folders where the desktop itself is also a folder.

The "up-side" of using PMShell over WPS is that it is a lot less
resource
hungry and you can therefore run OS/2 on less powerful machines. If you
perhaps only run one or two applications and don't need any of the
"fancy"
features of the WPS, the PMShell is very efficient. The "down-side" is
that
most new OS/2 applications expect you to be running the WPS and rely
on the ability to be able to start object classes.

I guess it's still a case of horses for courses.

 
Cheers/2

Ed.

mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
>          It must be my fascination with history that makes me want know
> about about such archaic topics, but having never seen any of the early
> versions of OS/2, would mind explain what the PM inteface is/was.
>         You say we could use it on Warp, but would that be instead of
> using the Workplace shell? How would one go about doing it? (just out
> morbid curiousity) And would I be correct in thinking of it in the same
> context as win3.1?
> 
>     Thanks
> 
> Mark
>        In <3B39B08E.71282EADatbigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/27/01
>    at 08:08 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:
> 
> >Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT the PM
> >interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface can be used on
> >Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3
> 
> >Ed.
> 
> >mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:
> >>
> >> g'day again,
> >>         Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne
> >> <http://www.pr.uoguelph.ca/cpayne/planet.htm> and was wondering if what he
> >> has written is correct.
> >>
> >> Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
> >> of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
> >> owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS).
> >>
> >> If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
> >> better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
> >> is actually owned by them.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
> >> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM
> >> -----------
> >> "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
> >> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
> >> of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
> >> Mark Farnham
> >> Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 11:07 PM
> -----------
> "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
> of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
> Mark Farnham
> Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
3=============================================

From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisgatwarpspeed dot com dot au>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:58:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISO images & RSJ 2.84

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:37:07 +1000 (EST), Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:

Thanks for the info Robert,
	Looks to me that RSJ is still not ready for prime time (to me at
least).

-Chris

>Hi Daryl,
>
>Do you want to CREATE an ISO image or do you want to burn a CD, FROM
>a ISO image.?
>
>To burn a CD, first rename the ISO to "track01.trk" and put it in the "TRACKS"
>sub directory that RSJ's CD View uses.  Then use CD View as normal to copy from
>the Hard Drive to the CD Recorder.
>
>
>However, to CREATE an ISO is a little bit different.
>Use CD View to copy a CD to the hard disk. 
>
>NOW you have to use a utility to remove the first 40 bytes from the beginning 
>of the file, otherwise RSJ MIGHT be the ONLY program able to read the file.!
>
>I got the utility from http://vv.os2.dhs dot org at:-
>http://vv.os2.dhs dot org/prog/myprogs/trk2iso.rar
>
>I should also state that I have NEVER used this utility and have NEVER
>had the need to create an ISO image.  I have burnt CD's from linux
>ISO images though.
>
>Hope this helps.
>BobT.
>
>
>On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:29:12 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>Will RSJ 2.84 do ISO images?
>>-- 
>>Regards, 
>>
>>Daryl  Pilkington 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
> /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
> \_,--.x/ 
>
>
>

-Chris

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4=============================================

From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisgatwarpspeed dot com dot au>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:00:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:08:14 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

Not quite right. The WPS does not do any rendering, PM does... IE, the WPS
still uses PM...

>Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT
>the PM interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface
>can be used on Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on
>OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3
>
>Ed.
>
>mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:
>> 
>> g'day again,
>>         Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne
>> <http://www.pr.uoguelph.ca/cpayne/planet.htm> and was wondering if what he
>> has written is correct.
>> 
>> Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
>> of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
>> owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS).
>> 
>> If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
>> better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
>> is actually owned by them.
>> 
>> Mark
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
>> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM
>> -----------
>> "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
>> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
>> of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
>> Mark Farnham
>> Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
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