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Tuesday 03 February 2004
 Number  794
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  How much? : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
3  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
4  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
5  Re:  Office suites for OS/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
7  Re:  Office suites for OS/2 : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
8  Re:  Office suites for OS/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  How much? : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  How much? : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
11  Re:  Office suites for OS/2 : voytek at sbt dot net dot au

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Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:41:04 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Hi Daryl

> >>I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale.

> Say $40 for the 5p & $60 for the 4c.
> Delivery should be around $15 each by Aussie Post in Australia, maybe less.
 
I'd really like the 5p at least if still available, if no other takers for the 4c, then
I'll be more than happy to take both.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I like having a machine called 'elvis' on the network because that way, I can say 'ping elvis' and have it come back with 'elvis is alive'."
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Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:02:55 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  How much?

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> David Forrester wrote:
> 
SNIP
>>
>> 1.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - started at $10 and went for $178.00!
>> <http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782946821&category=1247&rd=1> 
>>
>>
>> So, who out there urgently needed a copy 1.0?
>>  
 >
Probably some ancient legacy business or manufacturing system that still 
runs on v1.0.

I find this with computing, whilst SCSI, microchannel, VESA LB are all 
but long & gone for most applications, but if you have to repair some 
old proprietary system that simply can't be upgraded, you have to use 
these technologies.

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Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:07:58 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi Daryl
>
SNIP
>  
> I'd really like the 5p at least if still available, if no other takers for the 4c, then
> I'll be more than happy to take both.
>
Great Ian, email me a delivery address & I'll arrange Aussie Post to 
Melbourne? If you take both, I should be able to do better on the postage.

These are lovely scanners, but I'd like to reclaim my desk with a 
smaller, more modern, USB model.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:16:07 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C



Daryl Pilkington schreef:

>
> These are lovely scanners,

Absolutely!

> but I'd like to reclaim my desk with a smaller, more modern, USB model.

Believe me, it's your mistake. :-)


-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:42:14 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Office suites for OS/2



HTRAVIS wrote:

> Ed:
> Glad to see your current article on Subject in OS/2 Voice.
>
> In case you missed the announcement, Papyrus is available for OS/2. I
> really enjoyed the demo a few years ago, but couldn't justify the
> price, what with SS about to come out bundled with eCS.
>
> http://www.rom-logicware dot com/e_start.htm
>
> HPT
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> htravis at attglobal dot net
> DemostiX
> -----------------------------------------------------------

Hi Travis,

    Yes I saw the new release of Papyrus, however the article I wrote for
the voice newsletter was submitted to them a month ago, and written,
translated and corrected earlier than that. The new release of Papyrus
only came out a couple of weeks ago, so it was not included in the
article.

   I am considering a follow-up article - if they are interested. This
would cover the beta or even GA version of open office dot org /2 rather than
the alpha version. EIOffice again, once I hopefully can fix the MS Word
document opening issue, it appears to be a component missing in my OS/2
implementation rather than a problem in the EIOffice code, at the moment.
If there's a demo version of Papyrus, I could include that in the review
as well. I'll try to improve on the graphics and perhaps do some
comparision timings and feature lists between all 4 packages (the forth
being Smartsuite 1.7.2) as well.

  First of all I think I will need to build a "clean room" system. ie One
with the base OS and fixpacks and only ONE version of JAVA installed and
one Browser version, so that I don't get the issues of not knowing what
iscausing a particular problem in an installation. I may use a
virtualised session for each package or take a separate system and
completely erase and re-install it between tests. This is the only way to
give true and fair results.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:43:59 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> 
> Daryl Pilkington schreef:
> 
>> These are lovely scanners,
> 
> Absolutely!
> 
>> but I'd like to reclaim my desk with a smaller, more modern, USB model.
> 
> 
> Believe me, it's your mistake. :-)
>
I don't think so, the 4c doesn't do 600x1200 optical, 32bit colour or 
USB. The 4c was a good scanner:- years ago.

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Date:  Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:54:57 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  Office suites for OS/2

Ed,

thanks for the review,

couple of Q:

- were there any updates of value to Blotus SS (since the version of 1 or
2 years ago, that I have, but, never use, hence, don't know the version
number... 1.7 ?)

- what are the minimum hardware requirements (or, how much hardware do I
need to throw at it to make it run comparable to DeScribe on a 486....)

- to run Innotek's Office, do I need Odin, or, that comes with it
'built-in' ?





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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:26:04 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Office suites for OS/2

Here's your answers:

1.  SmartSuite versions 1.71 and 1.72 were updates to v 1.7 that has to be installed
first. The changes were improvments to import and export filters including those to MS
file formats, not much more than that from what I can see.

2. As I don't have the requirements for Describe in front of me and I once installed
it but never could work out how to properly use it, I cannot say how efficiently it
used the system. What I can say, is that of the three Office packages I reviewed,
SmartSuite requires the least "grunt" to be able to run, Open Office is second and
EIOffice needs the fastest system.

3. Innotek's Open Office/2 consists of "odinised" executables and DLLs. That means
they have been converted from Windows format to OS/2 format and any required
sub-routines included by using ODIN. You do not need to have ODIN installed on your
system - that is only needed if you wanted to run unchanged Win32 applications.

Cheers/2

Ed.

voytek at sbt dot net dot au wrote:

> Ed,
>
> thanks for the review,
>
> couple of Q:
>
> - were there any updates of value to Blotus SS (since the version of 1 or
> 2 years ago, that I have, but, never use, hence, don't know the version
> number... 1.7 ?)
>
> - what are the minimum hardware requirements (or, how much hardware do I
> need to throw at it to make it run comparable to DeScribe on a 486....)
>
> - to run Innotek's Office, do I need Odin, or, that comes with it
> 'built-in' ?
>

>  
> ===========================================

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:15:51 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  How much?

Isn't it a function of the relative scarcity of OS/2 1.00 vs versions 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0?  I am sure if someone 
posted a copy of Windows 1.0, still with thr box and manuals that would also be a collectors item, that would 
be worth something?



On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:23:01 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:

>David Forrester wrote:
>
>>I have an eBay search for OS/2 that sends a notification when something turns up.  Last week, someone 
put up four packages, copies of: 1.0, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0.  I noticed today that they had all finished, and I was 
>>surprised at the results (with links to the auctions if anyone is interested):
>>
>>2.1 - had a starting price of $1 and didn't sell.
>><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782975340&category=1247&rd=1>
>>
>>2.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - sold for $1.00
>><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782959632&category=1247&rd=1>
>>
>>3.0 Connect on CD- went for $13.49
>><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782976985&category=1247&rd=1>
>>
>>But, the surprise package was:
>>
>>1.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - started at $10 and went for $178.00!
>><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782946821&category=1247&rd=1>
>>
>>So, who out there urgently needed a copy 1.0?
>>  
>>
>
>Hi David,
>
>They'll probably auction it in 2025 for about the then equivalent of 
>today's $1 million! :-)
>Honest it wasn't me!
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>Failed the exam for
>--------------------
>MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
>--------------------
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>[Please use zipped versions of above]
>
>

> 



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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:03:34 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  How much?

> Isn't it a function of the relative scarcity of OS/2 1.00 vs versions 2..0,
> 2.1 and 3.0?  I am sure if someone
> posted a copy of Windows 1.0, still with thr box and manuals that would
> also be a collectors item, that would
> be worth something?

actually, just days earlier, someone did
and, some imbecile paid about A$60 for it

probably one of the morons who queued up at middnight to buy win95 on it's
release
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:19:47 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  Office suites for OS/2

> Here's your answers:
>
> 1.  SmartSuite versions 1.71 and 1.72 were updates to v 1.7 that has to be

where/how big are the updates ?

I have Word Slow O97.1944.0, the rest doesn't seem to divulge their versions

> 2. As I don't have the requirements for Describe in front of me and I once
> installed

it runs on a smell of an oily rag, CPU and RAM - same as for the op. sys.,
HD: 3 to 11MB

> used the system. What I can say, is that of the three Office packages I
> reviewed,
> SmartSuite requires the least "grunt" to be able to run, Open Office is
> second and
> EIOffice needs the fastest system.

what h/w did you review it on ?

thanks for the reviews, expect more soon
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