Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 33

Date:- 17 April 2001

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:45:44 +0900 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Multiple-Fwd: eCS NewsCast: Looks like a replacement for Warpcast

Looks like we have a replacement for the lost Warpcast folks!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
____________________________________________

List Admin note, John has just discovered ecomcast, which is
mainly a mirror of the Voice List, I have removed all the ecomcast's
that John included for the past week......

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:47:34 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] Email/News clients

Hi,
I'm sick of getting out a can of fly spray when I use Nutscrape Messenger.
I wish Netscape would just stick to Navigator:- Messenger is the most
buggy & slow piece of software on my computer.

I need an email & off-line news reader that:
*******************************************************************
Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts.

Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc).

Template facilities.

Has download recovery if the link hiccups.

Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate
TAX INVOICE emailing).

Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP
or LDAP server.

Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :)

Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential.
*******************************************************************
Experiences & suggestions please.

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:04:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients

Hi Daryl

>I need an email & off-line news reader that:
>Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts.
>Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc).
>Has download recovery if the link hiccups.
>Template facilities.

PMMail   http://www.pmmail2000 dot com/
Has all of the above, and is worth it to register.

>Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate
>TAX INVOICE emailing).

You can add rexx hooks, or hooks to other programs.

>Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP
>or LDAP server.

Dont know about this but it should be possible via the "Run Program"
on "Exit", or "Entry"

>Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :)

It can with an external archive program.

>Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential.

There is a windows version, and a push for a Linux version.
It also has excellent filtering etc.

There is always postroad/jstreet you will need to check the
files at http://www.os2site dot com/sw/java/internet/mail/ for the
URL's.

And then there is

http://www.polarbar dot net/

>Experiences & suggestions please.

I only use PMMail myself, does everything I need.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:34:35 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients

Daryl,

I think your choices are PMMail (PMMail/2 for OS/2 or PMMail2000 for
Windows).  And the Polarbar Mailer.

Polarbar is a Java client which quite a few OS/2 people swear by.  I
haven't used it.

I use PMMail so I've put answers to your questions below.

>
>I need an email & off-line news reader that:
>*******************************************************************
>Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts.

As many as you want.  I've had three at the most, but I've heard of
people with a lot more.

>
>Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc).

Each account has separate settings for signatures.  You can choose
others as you need to.

>
>Template facilities.

I think the Canned Replies will do what you want.  I haven't had need
for them.

>
>Has download recovery if the link hiccups.

This is one place I think they could improve things.

>
>Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate
>TAX INVOICE emailing).

You can run REXX filters, and the Canned Replies can do some things. 
There is an external PMMSend program that will add an e-mail to the
outbox.  I've used this to send my IP address to my work id when my
system connects.

>
>Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP
>or LDAP server.

Unfortunately not.  IMAP is on the wish list, but they won't say when.

>
>Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :)

No inbuilt archiving.  There are some tools to do it, but personally, I
just delete old mail.

>
>Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential.

OS/2 and Windows versions.  I use both on my laptop with the mail in
shared FAT32 partition.  We also have it on separate OS/2 and Win95
desktops.  These share the mail via a networked drive.  But we have to
make sure they aren't opened at the same time.   I think they have said
they are doing a Linux version.


Other things:

- It is actively being developed.
- The developers try to keep OS/2 and Windows version in synch.  The
main difference I can think of is that the Windows version supports
HTML mail better.  Though some people seem to think this is a minus.
- See www.pmmail2000 dot com for more details.

--
David Forrester
davidforatterrigal dot net dot au
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:08:50 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter

Hi,
I've got a clone of a production Warp 4 box at FixPak 12 with LAN server
5.00 Advanced, (incl. 386HPFS) & DB2 v2.12 installed on it.

Doing some DB2 testing on it, I maxed-out DB2, (probably if I had let it
finish the query, things would have been OK). The result was I maxed-out
the OS on the server as well.

Upon reboot I lost the WarpCenter & I suspect the icons on my WPS.

Whilst I've got an archive from March last year, (it will be fine, not
much has changed), I suspect that whilst maxed-out, issuing a setboot
command didn't get os2.ini & os2sys.ini written to the HDD.

Because I've got everything in startup.cmd, the box is fully serving LAN
server & DB2, but the WPS just isn't responsive, I've got the
background, but that's it.

I'm wondering if changing the priority, timeslice etc would stop this
problem happening, forcing other applications, (like the WPS), to regain
processor attention & stop the write failure of the *.ini files.

I'm assuming the above is what happened, suggestions, comments welcome.

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:25:05 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter

Hi Daryl

Maybe a little late now but check to see if you have
os2sys.### and os2.### in your os2 directory, they maybe
hidden. If these are there, and they have a file size, backup
your other os2 ini files and rename these.

You will of cause have to boot to the prompt.

Times like these you wish you used unimaint or checkini more :-)


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:07:42 +1000
From: Michael Peters <mpetersatnetspace dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter

Daryl,
   Get that nice little archiver on Dennis Bareis' site. The
price is right , the footprint small .

   Mike

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi,
> I've got a clone of a production Warp 4 box at FixPak 12 with LAN server
> 5.00 Advanced, (incl. 386HPFS) & DB2 v2.12 installed on it.
>
> Doing some DB2 testing on it, I maxed-out DB2, (probably if I had let it
> finish the query, things would have been OK). The result was I maxed-out
> the OS on the server as well.
>
> Upon reboot I lost the WarpCenter & I suspect the icons on my WPS.
>
> Whilst I've got an archive from March last year, (it will be fine, not
> much has changed), I suspect that whilst maxed-out, issuing a setboot
> command didn't get os2.ini & os2sys.ini written to the HDD.
>
> Because I've got everything in startup.cmd, the box is fully serving LAN
> server & DB2, but the WPS just isn't responsive, I've got the
> background, but that's it.
>
> I'm wondering if changing the priority, timeslice etc would stop this
> problem happening, forcing other applications, (like the WPS), to regain
> processor attention & stop the write failure of the *.ini files.
>
> I'm assuming the above is what happened, suggestions, comments welcome.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300
>           Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
>       Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
>                (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:45:15 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter

Hi Ian, Michael,

Archiving, restoring the WPS isn't an issue, I want to make it a bit
more robust.
Any comments on my suggestions?

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:29:03 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Multiple-Fwd: eCS NewsCast: Looks like a replacement for Warpcast

Although this appears to be from the ecomstation listserv,
they're actually all posts on the Voice listserve from the last week.

Ed.

John Angelico wrote:
> 
> Looks like we have a replacement for the lost Warpcast folks!
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:07:03 +1000
From: Michael Peters <mpetersatnetspace dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter

Daryl,

PRIORITY=DYNAMIC
MAXWAIT=1  ( FOR SERVER BUT GENERALLY =2 )
TIMESLICE  is dynamic anyhow and is said to get choppy
if you set it.
THREADS= defaults to 62 so watch this. I think Ed said get
it up to circa 4095.
Is warpcentre still in your config or back in the startup folder?
Have you altered MEMMAN after all the swapper discussion?
Did you run Hank Kelder's makeini on those suss files?

Mike


Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi,
> I've got a clone of a production Warp 4 box at FixPak 12 with LAN server
> 5.00 Advanced, (incl. 386HPFS) & DB2 v2.12 installed on it.
>
> Doing some DB2 testing on it, I maxed-out DB2, (probably if I had let it
> finish the query, things would have been OK). The result was I maxed-out
> the OS on the server as well.
>
> Upon reboot I lost the WarpCenter & I suspect the icons on my WPS.
>
> Whilst I've got an archive from March last year, (it will be fine, not
> much has changed), I suspect that whilst maxed-out, issuing a setboot
> command didn't get os2.ini & os2sys.ini written to the HDD.
>
> Because I've got everything in startup.cmd, the box is fully serving LAN
> server & DB2, but the WPS just isn't responsive, I've got the
> background, but that's it.
>
> I'm wondering if changing the priority, timeslice etc would stop this
> problem happening, forcing other applications, (like the WPS), to regain
> processor attention & stop the write failure of the *.ini files.
>
> I'm assuming the above is what happened, suggestions, comments welcome.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300
>           Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
>       Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
>                (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:11:35 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Multiple-Fwd: eCS NewsCast: Looks like a replacement for Warpcast

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:29:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Although this appears to be from the ecomstation listserv,
>they're actually all posts on the Voice listserve from the last week.
>
>Ed.
>
>John Angelico wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like we have a replacement for the lost Warpcast folks!

Oh no! I've just encouraged plagiarism! My name will shortly be mud in all of Academia! <GD&R>

OK folks. I will see about getting this feed direct from Voice.



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------


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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:31:37 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:47:34 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

Hi Daryl

Adding my support for PMMail/2 here. I have seen a few replies so some of this is "me-too" but hopefully my comments are still 
useful.

>I need an email & off-line news reader that:
>*******************************************************************

Not sure about OL News. Do you mean Newsgroups? If so PMINews/2 is the companion to PMM/2. If you mean email list type 
news that's all in PMMail of course.  

>Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts.

Yes. I have had 4 accounts but have since arranged to forward all mail through one account. Now my main problem is that my 
storage folders are all over the place and it's fiddly filing the mail. Filtering is excellent - even the "simple" mode is powerful. 

I have automated action/replies for some things (eg HTML email gets a standard response <g>)

>Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc).

Yes, but... I can have heaps of sigs, canned replies etc but I can't assign a particular sig to a particular collection of mail (eg SIG sig 
to SIG mail)  

>Template facilities.

Yep. Canned replies. Both whole replies and instantly paste-able boilerplate for anything your are doing.

>Has download recovery if the link hiccups.

Not easy but there is a Remote Control facility. If you have it on a permanent connection the problem rarely occurs, though... 

>Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate
>TAX INVOICE emailing).

REXX no probs. Most files (sigs, replies) are plain text. If you learn the structure of the files and folders, you can copy stuff into 
various places instead of laboriously making multiple sets of things.

>Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP
>or LDAP server.

Don't know. You would need to roll your own code there I think. PMMail has some simple hooks to receive stuff, but not much 
else. No IMAP (whatever that is - but gee it raises a blizzard of mail to the developers...)

I would describe PMMail as fairly "passive" rather than "active" as a data source. If you want it, it's there but don't expect PMM 
to push it towards you. It says "Do your own fishin', mate!"

>Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :)

Another roll your own job. There are third party archivers but they are minimal - usually put the messages out of reach when you 
want them.

>Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential.
Answered already as Win and OS/2



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------


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.... Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:28:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients

Hi everyone

A bit more on PMMail

>>Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts.

I have 7 current accounts in PMMail but have had 12 in the
past.

>>Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc).

One main folder for each account, that you can setup for different
ISP's services etc.

>>Template facilities.
>
>Yep. Canned replies. Both whole replies and instantly paste-able boilerplate for anything 
your are doing.

You can also keep "form" emails in the draft folder, and copy to a new
email.

>>Has download recovery if the link hiccups.

>Not easy but there is a Remote Control facility. If you have it on a permanent connection 
the problem rarely occurs, though... 

Hmm, this is a function of both server, but more of client.
PMMail does not delete email from the server until it has downloaded
all the email for the GET command, so if you are in the middle
of getting your email, and say the power goes out, then next time
you connect you should start the download of email, including the
ones you already managed to download, all again.
ie, you have 5 emails on the server, you download 4 and lose
power, then all 5 emails remain on the server. When you next
download, all 5 emails, plus any news ones should be downloaded.

You can check by using "Remote Control" as well, just incase
PMMail thinks its already retrieved all mail but has left some
on the server, my experience is that this doesnt happen
except for packages like Netscape Mail.

>REXX no probs. Most files (sigs, replies) are plain text. If you learn the structure of the 
files and folders, you can copy stuff into 
>various places instead of laboriously making multiple sets of things.

Yes, create a mail text template file, dump them all in the outbox
of the relevent account. I tend to do this but dump it in the
forward directory on the relevant server.

>>Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP
>>or LDAP server.

You can retrieve mail using a ported IMAP server, and have getmail
dump it in your PMMail inbox, you can also just set the account in
PMMail to not delete email on the server.

>>Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :)

I do an xcopy to my E drive, then put the lot on CDROM, then
zap, or cleanup the various folders, normally at the end of every
six months. I have been told there are archivers that work
well but I can run pmmail on cdrom to just view old emails if
need be, and I leave the lst 6 months on E drive for easier
access.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:35:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter

>THREADS= defaults to 62 so watch this. I think Ed said get

I think threads defaults to 1025 on a clean warp install, best
to monitor thread usage, see what you use normally, then
double that figure and set threads = in your config.sys.

I use 512 on my normal PC, and 1024 on servers, I've never
been able to use more than 314 threads on my own PC or any
of my non-websphere servers but with DB2, I'd start at 2048.

Re your warpcenter problem, sounds like os2sys.ini and os2.ini
were being written to disk when this happened, when that happens
theres not much you can do, corrupt is corrupt. You could run
a cron job to back them up every 24 hours. The other thing that
has worked for me, especially since about FixPack 11, is I have
never had a complete freeze, I've always been able to reboot
by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del, this forces the closure of ini files, and
any program that is WPS aware before rebooting, one one
occasion, it did take a server about 10 minutes to reboot but
I waited.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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