Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 44

Date:- 29 April 2001

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:41:34 +1000
From: Michael Peters <mpetersatnetspace dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] [os2genau_digest] Citrix ICA Client for OS/2 6.01 install  problem

Simon,
     What server OS are you running your client from?

   Michael Peters

Digest Resend wrote:

> >From "Simon Davis" <skiwiatparadise dot net.nz>
>
> Has anyone tried to install the OS/2 6.01 Citrix ICA client.
> I get the following message at about 90% of the way thru the install
> (see also attachment).
> EPFIE187: A product-specific installation error occurred while executing the
> 'EXEC' exit routine.
> The return code is 0x0002.
> I'm running Warp 4 fixpack 5 on a 486 with 32 MB memory and 56MB free on the
> disk I'm trying to install it to (and  60MB on my operating system disk).
>
> <<Attatchement Removed>>

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:44:32 +1000
From: Michael Peters <mpetersatnetspace dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Ed,
  What do you do  for fax and BBS/telnet connections if
you have cable installed.

  Mike

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Alway read the small print Leigh !
>
>  These "all you can eat" deals, often give you a different number
> to call and there, the ratio of users to lines is higher than the
> lines for people paying full price, they lo often drop connections
> "to give the others a fair chance".
>
>  I know it's more expensive but have you considered taking this
> opportunity to switch from dial-up to broadband ?  I am really
> happy with my cable internet connection and now Daryl has got
> his phone line "de-rusted" I think he's happy aswell.
>
> You're looking at between $50 and $70 dollars a month (plus
> a one time installation cost) for a 24x7 hi-speed, hi-quality,
> reliable (at lest so far) service. Once you try it you certainly
> WONT want to go back to dial-up. If you compare this with
> the cost of another phone line to be able to get  constant
> connection to the net without shutting everyone off the
> phone, it's probably not that much more expensive.
>
> Ed.
>
> P.S. my download speed often tips 50k/second - it's another world !
>
> Leigh Bunting wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
> > disappear come June 1st and that I should sign up with Ozemail and they
> > suggest their OzEshout plan of unlimited hours for $25/month. When their
> > 20hrs/month plan is $27/month, I seem to smell a rat here.

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:22:03 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

I don't use telnet/bbs or fax. The "Home Phone" is an Orange One 
CDMA phone which senses when in its "home zone" and charges
home phone rates and when outside the home zone it works the
same as every other mobile phone. So far I reckon it costs me a
half of what the previous (Telstra) phone did.

By the way - if you go ADSL rather than Cable, the phone line is
still usable as a normal phone line at the same time as the 
broadband connection - down the same wires. This is what Daryl
has.

Ed. 

PS using the Foxtel or Optus cable for broadband internet also
doesn't affect its use to receive Cable TV channels.
 
Michael Peters wrote:
> 
> Ed,
>   What do you do  for fax and BBS/telnet connections if
> you have cable installed.

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From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:35:07 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Also,
Telstra now has some kind of net options line rental at $14.50/mo with 19 cent local 
calls.  Only gotcha is the $3 std special doesn't apply.  Of course if you have Telstra for 
your home line and have bigpond you get 5% off both services.  This is what I have at 
home - not that I bbs anymore but I do send/receive faxes occasionally.  I used to have 
two lines back in my modem days..

Regards,

Paul.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:22:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I don't use telnet/bbs or fax. The "Home Phone" is an Orange One 
>CDMA phone which senses when in its "home zone" and charges
>home phone rates and when outside the home zone it works the
>same as every other mobile phone. So far I reckon it costs me a
>half of what the previous (Telstra) phone did.
>
>By the way - if you go ADSL rather than Cable, the phone line is
>still usable as a normal phone line at the same time as the 
>broadband connection - down the same wires. This is what Daryl
>has.

>PS using the Foxtel or Optus cable for broadband internet also
>doesn't affect its use to receive Cable TV channels.
> 
>Michael Peters wrote:
>> 
>> Ed,
>>   What do you do  for fax and BBS/telnet connections if
>> you have cable installed.

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:56:52 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Yes fair comment, I also heard about the lower local rental for an
"internet only"
Telstra phone line but as I understood it, the local call cahrges are
higher than 
on a "normal" line. I think the 5% discount is only if you use big pond
dial-up,
not cable or ADSL. (ie bigpond dot com nor bigpond dot net).

Ed.

P.S.  Anyone got any bright ideas why a Sound blaster PNP 16 works under
W98 but not OS/2 Warp (in the same machine). It used to work - it has to
be something silly !

Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> Also,
> Telstra now has some kind of net options line rental at $14.50/mo with 19 cent local
> calls.  Only gotcha is the $3 std special doesn't apply.  Of course if you have Telstra for
> your home line and have bigpond you get 5% off both services.  This is what I have at
> home - not that I bbs anymore but I do send/receive faxes occasionally.  I used to have
> two lines back in my modem days..
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:22:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >I don't use telnet/bbs or fax. The "Home Phone" is an Orange One
> >CDMA phone which senses when in its "home zone" and charges
> >home phone rates and when outside the home zone it works the
> >same as every other mobile phone. So far I reckon it costs me a
> >half of what the previous (Telstra) phone did.
> >
> >By the way - if you go ADSL rather than Cable, the phone line is
> >still usable as a normal phone line at the same time as the
> >broadband connection - down the same wires. This is what Daryl
> >has.
> 
> >PS using the Foxtel or Optus cable for broadband internet also
> >doesn't affect its use to receive Cable TV channels.
> >
> >Michael Peters wrote:
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >>   What do you do  for fax and BBS/telnet connections if
> >> you have cable installed.

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From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:16:01 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's + Sb16 PnP

G'day Ed,
Well when I was talking to Telstra about cable - they specifically asked whether I was a 
Telstra customer and told me about the discount if I came back.  It'll be interesting to 
see my first bill.  I also specifically asked about the discount when I rang to switch back.

As I mention - the local call rates are 19 cents each - which is pretty competitive.  The 
major downfall is the lack of a capped STD call, but I don't call interstate very often.

With regard to the SB16 PnP - have you grabbed the latest SB16 driver pack from 
hobbes?  I vaguely remember there being a switch on the SB16 driver line for PnP 
cards? /P ???  Been a long while since I've used a SB16 PnP!!!

From the readme.txt of sb16-32-64-v12.zip from Hobbes

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Paul.

   Plug n'Play Support
   -------------------

   These drivers include support for Plug n'Play cards.  The drivers
   will detect these cards and automatically initialize them.

   To enable automatic configuration of Plug n'Play cards, omit all
   hardware related parameters in the CONFIG.SYS DEVICE= line.  These
   are /A, /I, /M, /D and /H for base address, IRQ, MPU port address,
   8-bit DMA and 16-bit DMA respectively.

   If any of these parameters are specified, the driver will
   initialize the hardware with the parameter value specified taking
   default values for the parameters omitted.

   Plug n'Play BIOS
   ----------------

   On systems with Plug n'Play BIOS, the driver will not initialize
   the hardware unless otherwise requested.  The BIOS initializes the
   sound board and the driver just reads the settings.

   But again, if any of the hardware parameters are specified in the
   DEVICE= line, the driver will initialize the card with the
   specified parameters.  This feature comes handy when having to
   configure a system with PnP BIOS and with legacy cards that cannot
   be configured.  Such legacy cards might have resource conflicts
   with standard Sound Blaster configuration.  In this case you can
   ask the driver to override the default configuration with the one
   you specified in CONFIG.SYS.

   On some systems, the driver's Plug n'Play BIOS interface in the
   driver causes it to crash during initialization. This is due to
   incompatibility between different PnP BIOS implementations. If
   you get the problem, try /P option with the driver. This tells
   the driver to ingnore the PnP BIOS forcing it not to access the
   PnP BIOS functions even if one is present.

   *** NOTE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN ALMOST EVERYWHERE! ON THE END OF
   THE INSTALL I ADDED A NOTE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ALMOST NO ONE 
   READS THE README ***

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:56:52 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Yes fair comment, I also heard about the lower local rental for an
>"internet only"
>Telstra phone line but as I understood it, the local call cahrges are
>higher than 
>on a "normal" line. I think the 5% discount is only if you use big pond
>dial-up,
>not cable or ADSL. (ie bigpond dot com nor bigpond dot net).
>
>Ed.
>
>P.S.  Anyone got any bright ideas why a Sound blaster PNP 16 works under
>W98 but not OS/2 Warp (in the same machine). It used to work - it has to
>be something silly !
>
>Paul Smedley wrote:
>> 
>> Also,
>> Telstra now has some kind of net options line rental at $14.50/mo with 19 cent local
>> calls.  Only gotcha is the $3 std special doesn't apply.  Of course if you have Telstra 
for
>> your home line and have bigpond you get 5% off both services.  This is what I have 
at
>> home - not that I bbs anymore but I do send/receive faxes occasionally.  I used to 
have
>> two lines back in my modem days..
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:22:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>> 
>> >I don't use telnet/bbs or fax. The "Home Phone" is an Orange One
>> >CDMA phone which senses when in its "home zone" and charges
>> >home phone rates and when outside the home zone it works the
>> >same as every other mobile phone. So far I reckon it costs me a
>> >half of what the previous (Telstra) phone did.
>> >
>> >By the way - if you go ADSL rather than Cable, the phone line is
>> >still usable as a normal phone line at the same time as the
>> >broadband connection - down the same wires. This is what Daryl
>> >has.
>> 
>> >PS using the Foxtel or Optus cable for broadband internet also
>> >doesn't affect its use to receive Cable TV channels.
>> >
>> >Michael Peters wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ed,
>> >>   What do you do  for fax and BBS/telnet connections if
>> >> you have cable installed.

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:28:38 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's + Sb16 PnP

Thanks for the Telstra info.

Well I'm getting a bit further with the Soundblaster. I've now got it
making
noises (I say noises because they're truncated or clipped). I think the
issue
is that somewhere in the system configuration, I think the system is
trying
to use the (now disabled) on-board audio, even though I have remmed out
the driver in config.sys.

I'll try again with no hardware settings and see if PnP now works with
the card.

Cheers,

Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> G'day Ed,
> Well when I was talking to Telstra about cable - they specifically asked whether I was a
> Telstra customer and told me about the discount if I came back.  It'll be interesting to
> see my first bill.  I also specifically asked about the discount when I rang to switch back.
> 
> As I mention - the local call rates are 19 cents each - which is pretty competitive.  The
> major downfall is the lack of a capped STD call, but I don't call interstate very often.
> 
> With regard to the SB16 PnP - have you grabbed the latest SB16 driver pack from
> hobbes?  I vaguely remember there being a switch on the SB16 driver line for PnP
> cards? /P ???  Been a long while since I've used a SB16 PnP!!!
> 
> >From the readme.txt of sb16-32-64-v12.zip from Hobbes
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul.
> 
>    Plug n'Play Support
>    -------------------
> 
>    These drivers include support for Plug n'Play cards.  The drivers
>    will detect these cards and automatically initialize them.
> 
>    To enable automatic configuration of Plug n'Play cards, omit all
>    hardware related parameters in the CONFIG.SYS DEVICE= line.  These
>    are /A, /I, /M, /D and /H for base address, IRQ, MPU port address,
>    8-bit DMA and 16-bit DMA respectively.
> 
>    If any of these parameters are specified, the driver will
>    initialize the hardware with the parameter value specified taking
>    default values for the parameters omitted.
> 
>    Plug n'Play BIOS
>    ----------------
> 
>    On systems with Plug n'Play BIOS, the driver will not initialize
>    the hardware unless otherwise requested.  The BIOS initializes the
>    sound board and the driver just reads the settings.
> 
>    But again, if any of the hardware parameters are specified in the
>    DEVICE= line, the driver will initialize the card with the
>    specified parameters.  This feature comes handy when having to
>    configure a system with PnP BIOS and with legacy cards that cannot
>    be configured.  Such legacy cards might have resource conflicts
>    with standard Sound Blaster configuration.  In this case you can
>    ask the driver to override the default configuration with the one
>    you specified in CONFIG.SYS.
> 
>    On some systems, the driver's Plug n'Play BIOS interface in the
>    driver causes it to crash during initialization. This is due to
>    incompatibility between different PnP BIOS implementations. If
>    you get the problem, try /P option with the driver. This tells
>    the driver to ingnore the PnP BIOS forcing it not to access the
>    PnP BIOS functions even if one is present.
> 
>    *** NOTE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN ALMOST EVERYWHERE! ON THE END OF
>    THE INSTALL I ADDED A NOTE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ALMOST NO ONE
>    READS THE README ***
> 
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:56:52 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >Yes fair comment, I also heard about the lower local rental for an
> >"internet only"
> >Telstra phone line but as I understood it, the local call cahrges are
> >higher than
> >on a "normal" line. I think the 5% discount is only if you use big pond
> >dial-up,
> >not cable or ADSL. (ie bigpond dot com nor bigpond dot net).
> >
> >Ed.
> >
> >P.S.  Anyone got any bright ideas why a Sound blaster PNP 16 works under
> >W98 but not OS/2 Warp (in the same machine). It used to work - it has to
> >be something silly !
> >
> >Paul Smedley wrote:
> >>
> >> Also,
> >> Telstra now has some kind of net options line rental at $14.50/mo with 19 cent local
> >> calls.  Only gotcha is the $3 std special doesn't apply.  Of course if you have Telstra
> for
> >> your home line and have bigpond you get 5% off both services.  This is what I have
> at
> >> home - not that I bbs anymore but I do send/receive faxes occasionally.  I used to
> have
> >> two lines back in my modem days..
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Paul.
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:22:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> >>
> >> >I don't use telnet/bbs or fax. The "Home Phone" is an Orange One
> >> >CDMA phone which senses when in its "home zone" and charges
> >> >home phone rates and when outside the home zone it works the
> >> >same as every other mobile phone. So far I reckon it costs me a
> >> >half of what the previous (Telstra) phone did.
> >> >
> >> >By the way - if you go ADSL rather than Cable, the phone line is
> >> >still usable as a normal phone line at the same time as the
> >> >broadband connection - down the same wires. This is what Daryl
> >> >has.
> >>
> >> >PS using the Foxtel or Optus cable for broadband internet also
> >> >doesn't affect its use to receive Cable TV channels.
> >> >
> >> >Michael Peters wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed,
> >> >>   What do you do  for fax and BBS/telnet connections if
> >> >> you have cable installed.

8================================================

From: <djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Last night's meeting & Lotus Notes
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:15:58 -1000

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:37:18 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:57:01 +1000, David Halprin wrote:
>
>Hi David - answering on teh list for the benefit of everyone else.
>
>>John
>>Re last night's meeting.
>> I believe Antony Shepherd gave a very good demonstration and his ideas
>>were very sound.
>
>On Antony's behalf, thanks!
>
>> If I understood him from his reply to my question:-
>>
>> You could use Lotus Notes, even if we members had yet to decide whether
>>we would have it or not.  You could use it, instead of your usual mail
>>client, to send out all the e-mails via the group list-server and we
>>recipients would have no awareness of the change.
>
>Correct, I could use Notes Mail as my email program on my machine and no-one would ever know the difference unless they looked in the 
>detailed headers. 
>
>> BUT, you would have all the received mail under the control of Lotus
>>Notes and it could be categorised and sorted as you deemed fit.
>
>Yes.
>
>>Eventually members, who decided to have their own work-station with
>>Lotus Notes on board, would be able to tap into your server and extract
>>any relevant information, that interested them.
>
>Not quite. There are two stages which may have become confused. 
>a) My own computer remains my private territory and my Notes Mail messages remain there inaccessible to anyone (unless I set it up to 
>serve out the messages)
>but
>b) IF the list server machine had a way of archiving all the messages into a central Notes database, and then serving these out,  anyone 
>who could tap into it (with their own version of Notes or with any Web browser in fact) could trawl the archives whenever they connected.
>
>> It would be a slow build up of users of Lotus Notes up by the members,
>>but your `subtle' references to it in the ensuing e-mails will encourage
>>us all to splurge.
>
>Subtle as a brick, perhaps? <g> But yes that would be possible.
>
>
>
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>OS/2 SIG
>talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
>--------------------------------------------
>
>
>PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
>... Microsoft Lie #4.- You'll never use DOS again...
>
Hi John
My understanding of how Notes works is somewhat different.

To be able to use the notes client, you need to have a server to react 
to.
The server is where your notes id and password are registered/issued 
from.
When you are registered with the server, a mail database is created for 
your email. You are normaly the only user that has access and can 
retrieve the documents(email) in this database.
An email icon will be in your Notes workspace. When double clicked this 
database is opened and updated by the server. There is an option to 
immediatly open the mail database when starting the client.
Your incomming mail is collected by the Notes Server, So when you start
& log on to the Notes client, the client contacts the server and your 
inbox is updated. You compose & send outgoing mail while still logged 
onto the client which forwards the mail to the server.

Now all the OS/2 info would be entered into a database. This would be 
created on the server and any client using the server could subscribe to
the database and it would then appear as an icon in their Notes 
workspace.

To summerise, email is normaly one database per client, and other 
databases are available to whoever the controller of the database 
decides should have access to it. Even if you are allowed access, you 
may still need to subscribe.

There are so many options and ways to configure it that it's hard to 
explain all the various inderpendincies and configurations.

Regards
Dennis Nolan.

9================================================

From: <djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Discovered a fun little trick ...
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:29:11 -1000

Hi all
I found this lottle gem in the Newsgroup "comp.os.os2.misc"

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From: hameiatXXXpacbell dot net
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Discovered a fun little trick ...
Organization: Roly Poly Fish Heads, Inc.
Lines: 19
Sender: hameiathamei.pacbell dot net
Message-ID: <c1.2b5.2b94sM$0xRathamei.pacbell dot net>
Reply-To: hameiatpacbell dot net
X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0
X-Trace: MTkgTm9BdXRoVXNlciBXZXN0LVJlZ2lvbi1Qb3N0ZXJzIDYzLjIwNC4xMzUuNDUg=
IFRoniwgMjYg!QXByIDIwMDHLMjE6NDY6NTIgUERU
X-Complaints-To: abuseatpacbell dot net
X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint prope=
rly
X-Complaints-To: abuseatpacbell dot net
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:46:52 PDT
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 04:46:47 GMT
Path: nap-ns1 dot netconnect dot net dot au!uunet!sac.uu dot net!ash.uu dot net!dca.uu dot net!fe=
ed2.onemain dot com!feed1.onemain dot com!cyclone-sf.pbi dot net!209.233.201.34!open-=
news.pacbell dot net.POSTED!hamei!not-for-mail
Xref: nap-ns1 dot netconnect dot net dot au comp.os.os2.misc:358718

begin  helpme!helpme!said_the_fly.exe.vbs

Us OS/2 users would nerver do such an evil thing, but I
just discovered that if you place 'begin' followed by two
spaces and then some filename, preferably with a .vbs=20
extension, right after the headers in a news message,
Microsoft Outlook Express users think they've received
some dastardly attachment  :-)

(per sample above)

Don't know if it works in their email as well, but it's
real fun to do in a group with a lot of Windowsers.
So far I've seen five or six people rushing off to have
Symantec check their "attachments" out, hee hee !

--=20
h=E4rad =E6ngravv=E5d

Regards
Dennis Nolan

10================================================

From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:42:02 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's + Sb16 PnP

Ed,
Have you removed the references for the on-board audio from x:\mmos2\mmpm2.ini?? 
It can cause problems if these are still present.

Could also be that the pnp settings are conflicting with some other hardware.

Regards,

Paul.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:28:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Well I'm getting a bit further with the Soundblaster. I've now got it
>making
>noises (I say noises because they're truncated or clipped). I think the
>issue
>is that somewhere in the system configuration, I think the system is
>trying
>to use the (now disabled) on-board audio, even though I have remmed out
>the driver in config.sys.

11================================================

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:35:11 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

I've never used my PSTN line for telephony, I've got FaxWorks Pro-LAN
hanging off it.

I've got 2 Orange-one CDMA phones for telephony:-
One for my individual use that I pay for.
Another for the other house-holders, which is on my account, but they
pay for.

Once-off Charges:
   PSTN Connection: $50.00
        CDMA phone: $49.50
(Orange subsidised)
             TOTAL: $99.50

My Monthly charges:
              PSTN: $17.50
Orange One service: $11.00
             TOTAL: $28.50

Not bad outlay for having a home/mobile phone with voicemail & a fax
service!
One of few advantages of living in Australia's most expensive city...

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
SNIP
> 
> By the way - if you go ADSL rather than Cable, the phone line is
> still usable as a normal phone line at the same time as the
> broadband connection - down the same wires. This is what Daryl
> has.
> 
> Ed.
>
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
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     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
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               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

12================================================

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:44:01 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Hi Leigh,
To do a full analysis you'll have to create a typical usuage pattern &
create a spreadsheet to put it all into & do "what-if" analysis to
determine Total Cost of Ownership, (TCO).

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> 
> Thanks for everyone's help, I've got some homework to do. Mark's suggestion of Dingoblue
> sounds good if you tie it in with long distance phone calls, but trying to work out the
> best value is not always that easy.
> 
> Cheers,
> Leigh Bunting
>
-- 
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:43:21 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's + Sb16 PnP

Thanks Paul,
   When I installed the SB Drivers OS/2 sets the "normal" 
 settings (IRQ 5, DMA1 &3 etc) on the device driver line
 in config.sys, however, removing these and letting Plug
 & Play do it's stuff worked - the card is working now.

  Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> Have you removed the references for the on-board audio from x:\mmos2\mmpm2.ini??
> It can cause problems if these are still present.
> 
> Could also be that the pnp settings are conflicting with some other hardware.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:28:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >Well I'm getting a bit further with the Soundblaster. I've now got it
> >making
> >noises (I say noises because they're truncated or clipped). I think the
> >issue
> >is that somewhere in the system configuration, I think the system is
> >trying
> >to use the (now disabled) on-board audio, even though I have remmed out
> >the driver in config.sys.
 
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