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Tuesday 06 January 2004
 Number  770
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  PMfax Pro : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
4   *.scr : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
6  Re:  *.scr : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
8  Re:  *.scr : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
10  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
11   OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
12  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
13  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
14  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
15  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
16  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
17  Re:  Timestamps- help? : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 07:47:58 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  PMfax Pro

Actually my conclusion is the webpage isn't very well designed - no insult meant to yourself, lots of people have
missed this, so it obviously is not very clearly displayed. By the way, since I subscribe to several newslists, I see
the total number of people asking this same question.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Alan Duval wrote:

>
> Thanks Ed.  I obviously didn't see these codes on the web page.  Eyes not what they used to be.
>
> Alan
>

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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:18:34 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet?

Gavin Miller wrote:

>Whoohoo!!! (Homer style) :)
>
>I'm also grabbing a copy of thunderbird as I write this.
>
>
>Cheers
>G
>

> 

>
>.
>
>  
>
I've judt given Thunderbird & Firebird the chop.

Firstly the new build of Firebird wouldn't start, and then the previous 
version became tempremental and finaly stopped, dead.

But the main problem was there was no way to have them work together.

That is

Click  a  url in firebird and have thunderbird fire up to the url

I've just now installed Mpzilla Build 2003120914.

I'll see how this goes.

Regards

Dennis.



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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:28:00 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet?

I have gone back to Mozilla 1.4.1 w/ installer.  I could not get 
Thunderbird or Firebird working together even with cmd scripts.  I did 
try going back to Firebird 0.6; again same problem.  I found 0.6 a bit 
unstable.  Now I know I have mismatched memory in my machine so any 
crashes are inevitable, but 0.6 was quite bad for dropping out.

Cheers
G

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> Whoohoo!!! (Homer style) :)
>>
>> I'm also grabbing a copy of thunderbird as I write this.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> G
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>> .
>>
>>  
>>
> I've judt given Thunderbird & Firebird the chop.
>
> Firstly the new build of Firebird wouldn't start, and then the 
> previous version became tempremental and finaly stopped, dead.
>
> But the main problem was there was no way to have them work together.
>
> That is
>
> Click  a  url in firebird and have thunderbird fire up to the url
>
> I've just now installed Mpzilla Build 2003120914.
>
> I'll see how this goes.
>
> Regards
>
> Dennis.
>
>
>
 
>
> 

>
>

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:02:10 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:   *.scr

I keep getting messages with *.scr attachments.

Can anybody tell me what thay are, and what I need to be able to see them.

I assume thay are some kind of image file

Regards

Dennis.


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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:20:29 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet?

Hi Gavin,
I'm running FireBird 0.7 & Thunderbird 0.3 for weeks now on W2k, love it.
I've got 0.3 running on an OS/2 box, but haven't tried installing 0.7 
with it.

Is anyone running 0.3 & 0.7 together on OS/2?


Gavin Miller wrote:
> I have gone back to Mozilla 1.4.1 w/ installer.  I could not get 
> Thunderbird or Firebird working together even with cmd scripts.  I did 
> try going back to Firebird 0.6; again same problem.  I found 0.6 a bit 
> unstable.  Now I know I have mismatched memory in my machine so any 
> crashes are inevitable, but 0.6 was quite bad for dropping out.
>

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:34:06 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  *.scr

Hi Dennis,

Someone is infected with a windows virus.

*.SCR files are usually screen saver files and in windows they
can be made to run automatically.  So virus writers started 
using the SCR extension as yet another means of installing
viruses and creating mayhem.

Just delete the damn things, don't even try to look at them.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
6 January 2004   10:33


On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:02:10 +1100, Dennis Nolan wrote:

> I keep getting messages with *.scr attachments.
> 
> Can anybody tell me what thay are, and what I need to be able to see them.
> 
> I assume thay are some kind of image file
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dennis.


   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 


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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:40:57 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me (recent 
posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am)  Daz yours came in right 
assuming you posted at 10:20am.  Tell me it's not my settings :-(
I'm not using PMmail anymore.  It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1

Cheers
G

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:10:24 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  *.scr



Dennis Nolan schreef:

> I keep getting messages with *.scr attachments.
>
Worms, virusses.. anything bad you can think of.

> Can anybody tell me what thay are, and what I need to be able to see 
> them.
>
>
Bottom line: you don't need to see them, you don't need them at all. :-)

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:11:04 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- Is it fixed yet?



Daryl Pilkington schreef:

> Hi Gavin,
> I'm running FireBird 0.7 & Thunderbird 0.3 for weeks now on W2k, love it.
> I've got 0.3 running on an OS/2 box, but haven't tried installing 0.7 
> with it.
>
> Is anyone running 0.3 & 0.7 together on OS/2?
>
Yep.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:16:21 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get.
Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real Time 
Clock on their PC?

Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states 
participating in Daylight Saving are:

set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me (recent 
> posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am)  Daz yours came in right 
> assuming you posted at 10:20am.  Tell me it's not my settings :-(
> I'm not using PMmail anymore.  It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1
>

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:34:19 +1030
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:   OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS

For those that haven't seen this yet, OpenOffice v1.1 Beta 1 is now 
available for OS/2 & eCS from 
http://www.innotek.de/products/openofficeos2/beta/

 From that page:
A joint effort between Serenity Systems and InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH

OpenOffice for OS/2 is a port of the well known product to the 
eComStation and OS/2 Warp platforms with special support for InnoTek's 
font engine for OS/2.

To try out the beta, you have to download and install three products:

     * InnoTek Font Engine for OS/2 Version 2.10 Preview 2
     * InnoTek Runtime for OS/2 Preview 1
     * OpenOffice 1.1 for OS/2 Beta 1

Please download and install the order given above. Refer to the 
documentation of each component for installation instructions and 
additional information.

OpenOffice 1.1 for OS/2 Readme.

For support and more information, please refer to the InnoTek Online 
Support Forums.
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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:45:17 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get.
> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real Time 
> Clock on their PC?
>
> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states 
> participating in Daylight Saving are:
>
> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
>
> Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me 
>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am)  Daz yours came 
>> in right assuming you posted at 10:20am.  Tell me it's not my 
>> settings :-(
>> I'm not using PMmail anymore.  It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1
>>
>
 
>
> 

>
> .
>
Don't know what's going on

My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm

The clock in the System setup shows

The toime as 17:39:nn

Country is set to Australia
The City is set to Melbourne
The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic

Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39

Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have to 
have a look at my settings.

Regards

Dennis.


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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:50:29 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Thanks Dennis,
What is your TZ variable in config.sys

Are you using any timezone software like Dstswitch?


Dennis Nolan wrote:
SNIP
> Don't know what's going on
> 
> My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm
> 
> The clock in the System setup shows
> 
> The toime as 17:39:nn
> 
> Country is set to Australia
> The City is set to Melbourne
> The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic
> 
> Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39
> 
> Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have to 
> have a look at my settings.

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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:52:58 +1100
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
>> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get.
>> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real 
>> Time Clock on their PC?
>>
>> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states 
>> participating in Daylight Saving are:
>>
>> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
>>
>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me 
>>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am)  Daz yours 
>>> came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am.  Tell me it's not my 
>>> settings :-(
>>> I'm not using PMmail anymore.  It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1
>>>
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>> .
>>
> Don't know what's going on
>
> My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm
>
> The clock in the System setup shows
>
> The toime as 17:39:nn
>
> Country is set to Australia
> The City is set to Melbourne
> The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic
>
> Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39
>
> Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have 
> to have a look at my settings.
>
> Regards
>
> Dennis.
>
>
 
>
> 

>
>
Dennis

You email has shown up as 18:45 in my mozilla email.

regards
Ken

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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:58:52 +1100
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Ken Laurie wrote:

> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>>
>>> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get.
>>> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real 
>>> Time Clock on their PC?
>>>
>>> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states 
>>> participating in Daylight Saving are:
>>>
>>> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
>>>
>>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me 
>>>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am)  Daz yours 
>>>> came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am.  Tell me it's not my 
>>>> settings :-(
>>>> I'm not using PMmail anymore.  It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1
>>>>
>>>
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>>> .
>>>
>> Don't know what's going on
>>
>> My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm
>>
>> The clock in the System setup shows
>>
>> The toime as 17:39:nn
>>
>> Country is set to Australia
>> The City is set to Melbourne
>> The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic
>>
>> Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39
>>
>> Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have 
>> to have a look at my settings.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dennis.
>>
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>>
> Dennis
>
> You email has shown up as 18:45 in my mozilla email.
>
> regards
> Ken
>
 
>
> 

>
>
Dennis

It looks like my time is wrong as well. I just noted that my email 
showed up as 18:52. My tz setting is:
SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

regards
Ken


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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:11:21 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Ken Laurie wrote:

> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>>
>>> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get.
>>> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real 
>>> Time Clock on their PC?
>>>
>>> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states 
>>> participating in Daylight Saving are:
>>>
>>> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
>>>
>>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me 
>>>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am)  Daz yours 
>>>> came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am.  Tell me it's not my 
>>>> settings :-(
>>>> I'm not using PMmail anymore.  It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1
>>>>
>>>
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>>> .
>>>
>> Don't know what's going on
>>
>> My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm
>>
>> The clock in the System setup shows
>>
>> The toime as 17:39:nn
>>
>> Country is set to Australia
>> The City is set to Melbourne
>> The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic
>>
>> Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39
>>
>> Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have 
>> to have a look at my settings.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dennis.
>>
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>>
> Dennis
>
> You email has shown up as 18:45 in my mozilla email.
>
> regards
> Ken
>
 
>
> 

>
> .
>
As I see it eCS Clock adjusts the clock for summer time. It also looks 
after the Config.sys

REM *** The TZ string is maintained by eCS Clock. Do not change 
manually! Please refer to the clock's manual. ***
SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

Copied from Config.sys

Then we have Mozilla - Looks at the Config.sys TZ environment variable 
and uses it to set the time One Hour ahead of the correct time.

I guess ther's a good argument for setting the computer system clock to 
GMT or UTC, and then using the TZ to decide what time to display. All 
time stamps in UTC, end of confusion and a strike for conformity and 
simplicity.

Too sensible I supose

Or has some idiot patented that idea.

Regards

Dennis.
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**= Email   17 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:24:40 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Timestamps- help?

Sounds like eCS Clock is doing something screwy.
Or Mozilla is doing something screwy.
Post a message to the eCS clock & mozilla newsgroups, (sorry don't know 
the URL).


Guys, can you configure your email clients to quote at the end of the 
message rather than the beginning, its a PITA to scroll down to get to 
the real info.

Dennis Nolan wrote:
SNIP
> As I see it eCS Clock adjusts the clock for summer time. It also looks 
> after the Config.sys
> 
> REM *** The TZ string is maintained by eCS Clock. Do not change 
> manually! Please refer to the clock's manual. ***
> SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
> 
> Copied from Config.sys
> 
> Then we have Mozilla - Looks at the Config.sys TZ environment variable 
> and uses it to set the time One Hour ahead of the correct time.
> 
> I guess ther's a good argument for setting the computer system clock to 
> GMT or UTC, and then using the TZ to decide what time to display. All 
> time stamps in UTC, end of confusion and a strike for conformity and 
> simplicity.
> 
> Too sensible I supose
> 
> Or has some idiot patented that idea.
>

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