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Sunday 20 February 2005
 Number  1056
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
2  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : nickl at pacific dot net dot au
3  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7   Things we do : Bruce <os2box at niclan.homeip dot net>
8  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
10  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
11  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
14  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
15  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Bruce <os2box at niclan.homeip dot net>
16  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:27:43 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Gavin

Gavin Miller wrote:

> I've downloaded the demo and am having a play.  Quite good.  I may 
> invest in the whole shamoo.  It seems that 1:1 copy works, which is 
> something I could never get ADC and CDrecord to do.  I did have to put 
> some switches in config ala Mikes's post a wee bit past.  RSJ did 
> disable my "S:" drive.  Even though I could see it, I could not access it.

I'm still at a loss to explain this, as it never has for me, and I'm 
sure I do nothing special.  Perhaps JJSCDROM.DMD is what makes the 
difference.  Try using that along with DANI's drivers and see what 
happens.  I don't have a /RSJ switch on my DANI driver.  If you don't 
have JJSCDROM.DMD let me know and I'll attach it off-list.

What version of ecs or OS/2 are you using?

Cheers
Kev
-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:32:17 +0800
From:  nickl at pacific dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi All.

*I* am the shadowy "other list member". Actually Kev and I live about 10km
from each other, but both under the Darling Range, here in Perth. It is
likely we may have bumped into each other in the early nineties, as we
both knew the mythical Colin Wheat, of OS/2 fame in Perth.

I did see the system, and it works very nicely without hiding Drive
Letters. He doesn't use what I have done, but does use JJCDROM, which I
have never used, as i don't have anything DVD at this time.

Regards

NICK

In <421761FF.2020004 at tpg dot com dot au>, on 02/19/2005 
   at 03:57 PM, Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au> said:

>Hi Gavin

>Gavin Miller wrote:
>> Hi all RSJ users,
>> 
>> Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive system.  
>> I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or using CD 
>> view with only one drive?

>You must use a 2 step process.  One of the options in CD View is a 
>"Tracks" directory on your hard drive.  You copy from S: to the hard 
>drive, then from the hard drive to Z:.  This (or some form of this) is 
>how any system with only 1 drive makes a copy of a CD.  In the later old 
>floppy disk days (in a system with only 1 FDD) most systems had enough 
>RAM to be able to hold 1.44meg in memory to do this, otherwise there was 
>a lot of disk swapping to complete a "Diskcopy".  The day is coming soon 
>when most systems will be able to do the same for a 700meg "diskcopy" 
>(CDcopy), but 700meg CDs will soon be obsolete.
>		<http://www.gizmag dot com dot au/go/3661>
>Tonigy can also be very versatile for these types of operations.


>   My reasoning is, if you have to mount a
>> burner to Z: then S: (the cdrom drive) is gone, thus you can't start a 
>> source session of CD view.

>Yep you're right.  That's at least 1 good reason why the way RSJ works 
>for me is great.  If my only CD drive is my burner also, I can do it in 
>a flash.  The way others seem to have it working would be a right royal 
>pta.  Even with CDrecord, with only 1 drive, there must be an 
>intermediate step to get a copy of a CD.

>I hope that doesn't spark too much more controversy.  Btw, another list 
>member (who can identify himself if he so wishes) has been around to my 
>house and witnessed all that I wrote about.  Mine *does* work as I 
>explained.

>Cheers
>Kev
=========================
>Kev Downes
>kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
>Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO! I
>use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
>"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
>He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
>nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

> 


-----------------------------------------------------------
nickl at pacific dot net dot au
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:56:19 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Kev,

I'm using ecs 1.1, but I'm not using jjscdrom, however after reading a 
VOICE article, I've changed my setup from what Mike has and rem'd out 
LOCKCDR.FLT as well as putting my CD-RW's details into RSJ's driver inf 
file (cddrv.inf).  AFAIK every thing seems normal.  As for using RSJ, 
it's sounds confusing when reading about it, but is soooo easy.  Yep; 
it's a keeper.

Cheers
G

nickl at pacific dot net dot au wrote:

>Hi All.
>
>*I* am the shadowy "other list member". Actually Kev and I live about 10km
>from each other, but both under the Darling Range, here in Perth. It is
>likely we may have bumped into each other in the early nineties, as we
>both knew the mythical Colin Wheat, of OS/2 fame in Perth.
>
>I did see the system, and it works very nicely without hiding Drive
>Letters. He doesn't use what I have done, but does use JJCDROM, which I
>have never used, as i don't have anything DVD at this time.
>
>Regards
>
>NICK
>
>In <421761FF.2020004 at tpg dot com dot au>, on 02/19/2005 
>   at 03:57 PM, Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au> said:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Gavin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Gavin Miller wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hi all RSJ users,
>>>
>>>Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive system.  
>>>I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or using CD 
>>>view with only one drive?
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>You must use a 2 step process.  One of the options in CD View is a 
>>"Tracks" directory on your hard drive.  You copy from S: to the hard 
>>drive, then from the hard drive to Z:.  This (or some form of this) is 
>>how any system with only 1 drive makes a copy of a CD.  In the later old 
>>floppy disk days (in a system with only 1 FDD) most systems had enough 
>>RAM to be able to hold 1.44meg in memory to do this, otherwise there was 
>>a lot of disk swapping to complete a "Diskcopy".  The day is coming soon 
>>when most systems will be able to do the same for a 700meg "diskcopy" 
>>(CDcopy), but 700meg CDs will soon be obsolete.
>>		<http://www.gizmag dot com dot au/go/3661>
>>Tonigy can also be very versatile for these types of operations.
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>  My reasoning is, if you have to mount a
>>    
>>
>>>burner to Z: then S: (the cdrom drive) is gone, thus you can't start a 
>>>source session of CD view.
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>Yep you're right.  That's at least 1 good reason why the way RSJ works 
>>for me is great.  If my only CD drive is my burner also, I can do it in 
>>a flash.  The way others seem to have it working would be a right royal 
>>pta.  Even with CDrecord, with only 1 drive, there must be an 
>>intermediate step to get a copy of a CD.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I hope that doesn't spark too much more controversy.  Btw, another list 
>>member (who can identify himself if he so wishes) has been around to my 
>>house and witnessed all that I wrote about.  Mine *does* work as I 
>>explained.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Cheers
>>Kev
=========================
>>Kev Downes
>>kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
>>Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO! I
>>use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
>>"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
>>He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
>>nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

>>

>>    
>>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>nickl at pacific dot net dot au
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>

> 

>
>  
>
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:28:41 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Actually all was not so normal after all.  The device description that 
goes into cddrv.inf wasn't working, so I've gone back to what I had 
before /daniatap.flt /A:1 /U:0 /RSJ/, simply because I like the way my 
drives are set out.  Tell me Kev, do you have the /W switch after JJS.  
I tried that and it works but for me it swapped my drive lettering 
around.  I like my CD-ROM to be *S: *and USB CD-ROM to be *T:* (aren't I 
pedantic ;-)  )

Cheers
G

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Hi Kev,
>
> I'm using ecs 1.1, but I'm not using jjscdrom, however after reading a 
> VOICE article, I've changed my setup from what Mike has and rem'd out 
> LOCKCDR.FLT as well as putting my CD-RW's details into RSJ's driver 
> inf file (cddrv.inf).  AFAIK every thing seems normal.  As for using 
> RSJ, it's sounds confusing when reading about it, but is soooo easy.  
> Yep; it's a keeper.
>
> Cheers
> G
>
>

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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:59:43 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW


Gavin Miller said:
> Hi all RSJ users,
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive system.
> I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or using CD
> view with only one drive?

not unlike our forefathers copied floppy diskettes:

for those with dual 5 1/4, oops, 8 inch floppy drives, the job was
somewhat easier than for those with a single floppy drive...

but, luckily, thanks to the advent of them hard files, one no longer has
to engage in multiple 'remove source, inser target' exchanges



-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:01:24 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW


Mike O'Connor said:
> Gavin Miller wrote:

> Couldn't be simpler - just like doing a diskcopy with only one floppy
> drive!

less the 'remove source, insert target' shuffle.....


-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:34:12 +0800
From:  Bruce <os2box at niclan.homeip dot net>
Subject:   Things we do

Hi there, I have been on this 'list' for some time and only just saw 
here  at  os2 dot org a list of users and their locations both here in Oz and 
overseas.  Well, I am of course another OS/2 user and you could add me 
to the bit where it says "Some of the people on this list"

Bruce Dudley, Perth, Western Australia..

FWIW, I am just a keen OS/2 user of no importance. I cannot write 
software, though, I have written some REXX stuff. I use Weasel, Changi, 
Apache, Squid, Cron, FTPD, MySQL, PHP & Bind + other stuff on my 1gig 
Duron box. I am just a dabbler and spend too much time [so my wife says] 
playing.. I have a web page up and it's lousy too but it's at 
www.niclan.homeip dot net if anyone curious but I would not waste my time 
looking actually, :-[  

I wonder who else is here and what your setups are and what use OS/2 is 
to everyone.  I remember watching, about 17 years ago, a program  on ABC 
TV about LASER technology and what is may be good for. One quote was 
"They [lasers] are the solution to a problem without knowing what the 
problem is!" I see my OS/2 box a bit like that, I have all this 'latest' 
technology and software at my fingertips but what am I going to do with 
it now! :-)

  Cheers..... Bruce.. 

os2box at niclan.homeip dot net

 





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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:14:13 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Gavin

Gavin Miller wrote:
> Actually all was not so normal after all.  The device description that 
> goes into cddrv.inf wasn't working, so I've gone back to what I had 
> before /daniatap.flt /A:1 /U:0 /RSJ/, simply because I like the way my 
> drives are set out.  Tell me Kev, do you have the /W switch after JJS.  
> I tried that and it works but for me it swapped my drive lettering 
> around.

Here are the relevant lines from my CONFIG.SYS ...

IFS=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\CDWFS.IFS /S
DEVICE=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\RSJSCSI.SYS /S
RUN=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\CDWFSD.EXE -p "G:/var/temp" -c200000 -b20480 -t2
                                                                -i3 -s0
BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD
BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT
BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT /Q /D
BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
BASEDEV=OS2LVM.DMD
BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL /SHARE
DEVICE=G:\ECS\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD

I think that's all the relevant stuff.  In fact I'll attach the whole 
thing off-list - you'll see who's pedantic then!

> I like my CD-ROM to be *S: *and USB CD-ROM to be *T:*  (aren't I  pedantic ;-)  )

No, not really.  You should see the silly things I do to have just what 
I want.

Cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:44:47 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>Mike O'Connor said:
>  
>
>>Couldn't be simpler - just like doing a diskcopy with only one floppy
>>drive!
>>    
>>
>less the 'remove source, insert target' shuffle.....
>
Hi Voytek,

I always used the Digital Research DOS editions to do diskcopy for 
floppies - [with 4MB RAM in late 80's] it always read the entire disk 
into memory [like OS/2], unlike M$ versions and had the advantage too 
that it was an *exact* diskcopy == serial number duplicated, not 
recomputed from datestamp!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
--------------------
[ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments]
[Please use zipped versions of above]

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:55:17 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Mike, Voytek

Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
> I always used the Digital Research DOS editions to do diskcopy for 
> floppies - [with 4MB RAM in late 80's] it always read the entire disk 
> into memory [like OS/2], unlike M$ versions and had the advantage too 
> that it was an *exact* diskcopy == serial number duplicated, not 
> recomputed from datestamp!

I agree with him.  The last M$ I owned was M$-DOS 3.3.  From DR-DOS 5.0 
onwards I left M$ behind.  I had to work with Window$ of course, but 
I've never bought it (except as Win-OS/2).  In fact, 1 of my multi-boot 
options is still DR-DOS 7.03, for those couple of favourite games.  Btw, 
single pass diskcopy was reality with only 2mb of RAM in DR-DOS - that's 
what I had.

Cheers all
Kev
-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:21:17 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:

> Mike, Voytek
>
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>> I always used the Digital Research DOS editions to do diskcopy for 
>> floppies - [with 4MB RAM in late 80's] it always read the entire disk 
>> into memory [like OS/2], unlike M$ versions and had the advantage too 
>> that it was an *exact* diskcopy == serial number duplicated, not 
>> recomputed from datestamp!
>
> I agree with him.  The last M$ I owned was M$-DOS 3.3.  From DR-DOS 
> 5.0 onwards I left M$ behind.  I had to work with Window$ of course, 
> but I've never bought it (except as Win-OS/2).  In fact, 1 of my 
> multi-boot options is still DR-DOS 7.03, for those couple of favourite 
> games.  Btw, single pass diskcopy was reality with only 2mb of RAM in 
> DR-DOS - that's what I had. 

Hi Kev,

I realised I didn't need 4MB to do that but I went directly to the 80286 
machine from a Japanese [Panafacom - DUET16] *8086* machine with superb 
graphics for the day, that used three colour planes - separate boards - 
[640x400x16+inverse] and could overlay the graphics with the B800-BFFF 
text plane [scroll over]! Unlike the existing IBM graphics, it cleared 
all graphics planes when changing modes - never the "garbage" residue 
seen on IBM compatibles on mode-changes!

Everyone said to me when I asked for 4MB RAM with my first 80286 -- 
"what do you need 4MB for??"!!
Same as they said "why do you want a 68MB NEC HDD, no-one else has more 
than 40MB"!
Ditto for using Disk Management Services [DMS] - "why would you want to 
have up to 16 partitions for, and be able to make some of those hidden 
to all OSes or Read-Only?"

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
--------------------
[ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments]
[Please use zipped versions of above]

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:57:04 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW


Mike O'Connor said:
> Kev wrote:
>> Mike, Voytek
>> Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Everyone said to me when I asked for 4MB RAM with my first 80286 --
> "what do you need 4MB for??"!!
> Same as they said "why do you want a 68MB NEC HDD, no-one else has more
> than 40MB"!

68MB HD ? wow, the first drive I recall was 5 MB, full height 5 1/4, and,
it cost almost $5000


-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:27:20 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW



Voytek Eymont wrote:
> Mike O'Connor said:

>>Everyone said to me when I asked for 4MB RAM with my first 80286 --
>>"what do you need 4MB for??"!!
>>Same as they said "why do you want a 68MB NEC HDD, no-one else has more
>>than 40MB"!
> 
> 
> 68MB HD ? wow, the first drive I recall was 5 MB, full height 5 1/4, and,
> it cost almost $5000

My first PC (as in IBM compatible) was a 386 SX-16, with 2mb RAM and 2 x 
40mb HDDs.  Prior to that I had a Kapro Model IV, CP/M Z80 based thingy, 
with 2 x 360kb FDDs and I think it had 512kb RAM.  It was the first 
"luggable" computer.

Cheers
Kev
-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:52:30 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW


Kev said:

> 40mb HDDs.  Prior to that I had a Kapro Model IV, CP/M Z80 based thingy,

kaYpro

Kaypro 10 had a 10mb hard drive

also, Kaypro had a modem on the mainboard, disabled on Oz market

but, for about $2.50 one could buy a chip from an electronics store, plug
it it, and, enjoy a built in modem

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:19:12 +0800
From:  Bruce <os2box at niclan.homeip dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

OK I'm on this as were talking about these things...

MY first computer was a ZX80 then a VZ200, then VZ300, Amstrad CPC6128, 
PC AT 286 wopping 4meg RAM, 2 meg onboard + 2meg on a Intel ISA Above 
Board., 20meg HD and a "EGA" display. From there a 386, skipped all 
486's [in hisight I am glad I did]  then onto a Pentium 100mhz and 
carried on upto the latest stuff.

It was the Amstrad that I began to learn about computers. I had added 
another 2 floppy disk interfaces [hardware] to the already 2 FDC and 
wrote the software and patched the BIOS on the Amstrad in both native 
Mullard BASIC BIOS and the CPM/3+ code all in Z80 assembler. Gezz if 
only I had the time and the patience to do that sort of stuff now.

Bruce


Kev wrote:

>
>
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>
>> Mike O'Connor said:
>
>
>>> Everyone said to me when I asked for 4MB RAM with my first 80286 --
>>> "what do you need 4MB for??"!!
>>> Same as they said "why do you want a 68MB NEC HDD, no-one else has more
>>> than 40MB"!
>>
>>
>>
>> 68MB HD ? wow, the first drive I recall was 5 MB, full height 5 1/4, 
>> and,
>> it cost almost $5000
>
>
> My first PC (as in IBM compatible) was a 386 SX-16, with 2mb RAM and 2 
> x 40mb HDDs.  Prior to that I had a Kapro Model IV, CP/M Z80 based 
> thingy, with 2 x 360kb FDDs and I think it had 512kb RAM.  It was the 
> first "luggable" computer.
>
> Cheers
> Kev

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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:27:09 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>Mike O'Connor said:
>  
>
>>Everyone said to me when I asked for 4MB RAM with my first 80286 --
>>"what do you need 4MB for??"!!
>>Same as they said "why do you want a 68MB NEC HDD, no-one else has more
>>than 40MB"!
>>    
>>
>
>68MB HD ? wow, the first drive I recall was 5 MB, full height 5 1/4, and,
>it cost almost $5000
>
Hi Voytek,
That was my own recollection too, a Micropolis, in 1980, and the reason 
I didn't buy one of those for my CP/M system!

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Regards,
Mike

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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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