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From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:20:02 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Sendmail

Hi,
I'm looking to migrate my POP3 email accounts permanently to somewhere
cheap, small & reliable, (Perhaps os2site dot com!).

I want my ISP to be used only for *Internet* access, no mail, proxies,
nothing.

That way I can swap & change my ISP as I see fit, depending on price,
Quality of Service, (QoS), available technology, bandwidth etc.

Whatever technology I use, it would mean I'm usually connected for long
periods of time, if not permanently. It is unlikely it would be fixed
IP, however.

I'm thinking for outgoing mail I can just use sendmail.
What problems/ limitations would I have doing this?

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:39:11 +0930
From: Andrew Hood <hoodtooatiprimus dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Follow on to Linux install

Greetings again All,

After a couple of days and several reloads I finally have it sorted out, but
what a saga!

My computer  has 2x4 gig IDE drives, a 2 gig SCSI and a 1 gig SCSI.  In OS/2 I
had them set up as 
C:\  4 gig IDE Boot Manager and data with 80 meg maint (logical G:\)
D:\ 4 gig IDE OS/2 programs 
E:\ 2 gig SCSI OS/2
F:\ 1 gig SCSI swap and data

I made the mistake of letting the Linux install prog do a full Gnome
workstation install which put lilo in the MBR of the first drive and that meant
I was stuffed trying to boot to OS/2 as the boot manager was taken out.  booting
to OS/2 install disks didn't help as I still couldn't get rif of lilo.  I ended
up doing this with DOS fdisk using the /mbr switch.

Booted with OS/2 install disks and used fdisk to reinstall the boot manager and
partition the disk to
Boot Manager
80 meg primary  C:\ Maint  HPFS
16 meg primary  /boot 
16 meg logical   /swap 
4 gig  logical   / 

I then booted Linux, made sure I selected <text> and <custom> and very
carefully used the Linux fdisk to change the linux partitions to the appropriate
file types and mount points etc.  The install went fairly easily after that but
as other people have commented, you really have to plan what you are doing.  I
can now boot both OS' without any problem or interference.

My initial impressions of linux (after about an hour of playing around) are
that the desktop/WPS is nowhere near as usable as OS/2.  The whole thing is
bloody confusing actually and the manual pages are as cryptic as the OS/2 ones
can be.  I think I am in for a lot more reading and a bloody steep learning
curve before I get anywhere near as proficient as I am with OS/2.  I also think
using Linux will be for entertainment value for a while, getting work done will
be OS/2

Andrew Hood

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From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:59:37 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sendmail

Hi Graham,
(Daryl already seen another doctor for foot-in-mouth disease).

Often smaller competent operators offer much better service than the
"big-boys" as there is less administration inertia & the small support
team has complete control over their whole system, allowing them to
create a fully integrated system that works well.

The defects & limatation of their system are known & can be managed, to
achieve acceptable reliability levels.

Big corporates have too many departments who don't want to talk to each
other to ensure their complete system works smoothly.

Internode is an excellent example of a smaller competent operator.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:52:35 +1000 (EST), Dr Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist wrote:

>Daryl
>
>I hope you dont regard me a small, cheap and reliable???
>
>
>On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:20:02 +1100 (EDT), Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>I'm looking to migrate my POP3 email accounts permanently to somewhere
>>cheap, small & reliable, (Perhaps os2site dot com!).
>>
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:12:28 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sendmail

Hi Daryl

>I'm looking to migrate my POP3 email accounts permanently to somewhere
>cheap, small & reliable, (Perhaps os2site dot com!).

email, DNS hosting, you name it, I do it :-)

I dont know what the prices are for one off email accounts but I couldnt
see it being more than $10.00 per month, unless you have a lot of
big emails (jpegs etc) going back and forth all the time. I would tend
to think a one off account would be more like $5 per month but as I
said, I'll do some sums.

>I want my ISP to be used only for *Internet* access, no mail, proxies,
>nothing.

This is how I started three years ago, I got tired of having to tell everyone
my new email address every 12-24 months in Kalgoorlie because the
local ISP's would change hands, go bust etc. I'd always had my ibm dot net
account but it was on the 'very' expensive side.

>I'm thinking for outgoing mail I can just use sendmail.
>What problems/ limitations would I have doing this?

You could, though you would also want to make sure that
it is setup correctly, and DO NOT run it as a demon unless
you have made sure the rewrite rules are correct to shutout
relayers/spammers.

I would use Weasel, and just leave the POP part of the server
inactive, its quicker and easier to setup.

Inetmail and ZXMail are overkill for your needs.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Microsoft, the Legacy Software Company.

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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 04:46:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Follow on to Linux install

I installed Linux Red Hat 6.2 only for GIMP (and it came on the APC cd's).  All I can say 
is; IT LOOKS PRETTY.  Gimp is a great graphics tool for sure, but saving images on 
partitions that can be accessed by other OS's sucked big time.  All my Gimp TIF's were 
corrupted in other graphics programs.  I had to use PMView to convert them to jpegs 
before any other program could open them.  So I'm back to using Colorworks v2 for my 
graphics needs.  Gimp has some great effects, but nothing Colorworks can't do with a 
bit of effort.
I also found Linux to be a bit confusing at first, but I eventually got the hang of it.  I always 
logged on as root, because I couldn't get my user permissions to stay on the next boot, 
and you can't do much as a user.

Linux is good but OS/2 is better (but we already knew that, didn't we :-)  )

PS.  Yes I did have a go at Gimp/2 using Xfree86/2 but could never get ICE to work so I 
gave up.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:39:11 +0930, Andrew Hood wrote:

>Greetings again All,
>
>After a couple of days and several reloads I finally have it sorted out, but
>what a saga!
>
>My computer  has 2x4 gig IDE drives, a 2 gig SCSI and a 1 gig SCSI.  In OS/2 I
>had them set up as 
>C:\  4 gig IDE Boot Manager and data with 80 meg maint (logical G:\)
>D:\ 4 gig IDE OS/2 programs 
>E:\ 2 gig SCSI OS/2
>F:\ 1 gig SCSI swap and data
>
>I made the mistake of letting the Linux install prog do a full Gnome
>workstation install which put lilo in the MBR of the first drive and that meant
>I was stuffed trying to boot to OS/2 as the boot manager was taken out.  booting
>to OS/2 install disks didn't help as I still couldn't get rif of lilo.  I ended
>up doing this with DOS fdisk using the /mbr switch.
>
>Booted with OS/2 install disks and used fdisk to reinstall the boot manager and
>partition the disk to
>Boot Manager
>80 meg primary  C:\ Maint  HPFS
>16 meg primary  /boot 
>16 meg logical   /swap 
>4 gig  logical   / 
>
>I then booted Linux, made sure I selected <text> and <custom> and very
>carefully used the Linux fdisk to change the linux partitions to the appropriate
>file types and mount points etc.  The install went fairly easily after that but
>as other people have commented, you really have to plan what you are doing.  I
>can now boot both OS' without any problem or interference.
>
>My initial impressions of linux (after about an hour of playing around) are
>that the desktop/WPS is nowhere near as usable as OS/2.  The whole thing is
>bloody confusing actually and the manual pages are as cryptic as the OS/2 ones
>can be.  I think I am in for a lot more reading and a bloody steep learning
>curve before I get anywhere near as proficient as I am with OS/2.  I also think
>using Linux will be for entertainment value for a while, getting work done will
>be OS/2
>
>Andrew Hood
