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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:23:47 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Bay Area User Group eCS Presentation details

Forwarded from the eCS List.
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Well, Bob,

I can see by your time-stamp you are in England, and you must be an early
riser. :)

I'm also sending this to the Bay Area User Group list; please feel free to
correct and amplify my remarks.

The Bay Area User Group meeting went considerably over time, and so I just got
home. After reassembling the computer, I'm typing at you all.

First, let me point out that we had the largest turnout for a BAUG meeting
since 1998.

Glenn Hudson did an excellent job of presenting  eComStation. He kept us on the
edge of our chairs for  nearly three hours. From the descriptions of the SCSI
boot options on the CSM or preboot screen, to the new program to make floppies,
the group saw the amazing work that has gone into the new installer.

There were dozens of comments about the streamlining of the new installation
process. The whole topic of discussion has now gone from "how do I install eCS"
to "How can my wife, or kids install eCS?"

The new installer may not quite make breakfast for you in the morning, but it
is worlds ahead of the old process. Glenn kept talking about the Killer App. The
OS/2 installer was the app that killed OS/2. Now Serenity has killed the OS/2
installer. (OK, some network parts remain).

One regret that I have is that Glenn is not a salesman. He should have taken
orders right there in the room, I'm sure he could have gotten quite a few.
That's OK, though, because I'll bet those people will buy it soon anyway.

We had to leave before we were really ready; the meeting could have easily gone
for several hours more. The eCS Guides (do I have the name right?) were
particularly well received. They  present all of the applications that come with
eCS as one product. This part came near the end of the meeting, and this is
where the energy of the meeting really peaked.

If Glenn had installed every one of the apps, I am sure the audience would have
stayed to the last progress bar. We all use OS/2 in order to run apps.

Glenn also showed how to use Wise Machine, which is something I have wanted to
see since I receive Preview 1 last fall.

I'm sure I've missed some important stuff, and I hope that others will fill
what I have overlooked. Several attendees were no longer running OS/2, but were
planning to return, now that configuring the machine wasn't such a big deal.

Thanks to all at Serenity Systems for your good work.

Neil


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:15:44 -0000, BStJohnatSerenity-Systems dot com wrote:
> Well .. these meetings *have* to be over, now. I got an email from 
> someone who went to the BAUG .. but it just asked a bunch of 
> questions. All it said about the meeting was "We had a good meeting. 
> Went three hours."
> 
> I want details! I want to know what folks saw and what they thought 
> about what they saw. I want to be titillated.
> 
> Regards,
> Bob St.John

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:45:05 +1000

If only, but it doesn't work that way.

HOWEVER,
There is a lot of discussion about the enforceability of "shrinkwrap
clauses" generally i.e "by opening this package, breathing or blinking you
agree to sell your soul to me".

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ed Durrant [SMTP:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> Sent:	Wednesday, 13 June 2001 20:54
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	Re: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's
> 
> I suppose the next legal question would be if the conditions of sale of 
> a product from Microsoft (or any other manufacturer in that case) are
> flawed in the eyes of the law, does that make the whole agreement
> defunct ??
> 
> Cheers/2
> Ed.
> 
> Ian Manners wrote:
> >   I believe that parts of the Microsoft license are NOT enforcable
> >   in Australia, as local laws overrule select parts anyway.

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:03:17 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Fwd: [eCS] Not really eCS related, but very interesting...

** Reply to note from "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au> Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:09:10 +0900 (EST)

> Steve Gibson is doing us a HUGE favour here.

you mean, OS/2 users ? I'm sure it's purely unintentional, sadly, Steve Gibson was always
vehemently ANTI OS/2 in his editorials.

but SpinRite was a nice app, fwiw,

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:52:43 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] [eCS] Not really eCS related, but very interesting...

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:03:17, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au> Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:09:10 +0900 (EST)
>
>
>> Steve Gibson is doing us a HUGE favour here.
>
>you mean, OS/2 users ? I'm sure it's purely unintentional, sadly, Steve Gibson was always
>vehemently ANTI OS/2 in his editorials.

That's water under the bridge now, Voytek. He wasn't alone, and he
could have been as wrong as a lot of people. But his attitude might
have been no more of a problem than say Edwin Black of OS/2
Prefessional mag... it cuts both ways. 

He has signalled a fundamental security flaw in Win systems which,
so far, MS has declined to fix. 

Surely that is a bonus for any non-MS OS in Internet-land. 

He has a swipe at Unix because it already has what Win2K & Win-XP
are soon to provide, but  the risk is in Win-land because of a) the
default no-security model of Win systems and b) the laziness (?
maybe apathy, inertia to be kind) of Win-operators who don't do
anything about security because they assume that if they are safe
that's all there is to security.

>but SpinRite was a nice app, fwiw,

Yep. And ShieldsUp and PortProbe are just as good in the
Internet-world. I test every so often to make sure I am not a risk
to myself or others while online.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
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