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Tuesday 21 June 2005
 Number  1127
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
2  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
5  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
6  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
7  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  USB Webcam operational. : Ian Manners" <deadmail>

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Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:26:07 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

As submitted to the list on 30/3/05 and sent out shortly afterwards....

Whilst poking around the Netlabs FTP site, I stumbled across what appears
to be a package to support USB Webcams under OS/2.

Package can be found at:
ftp://ftp dot netlabs dot org/pub/wvgui/samples/wcamdemo.zip

Included in the same directory at the netlabs FTP server is a file
wcamlist.txt that states the following:
As of this moment, the following cameras are supported:
  * Philips PCA645
  * Philips PCA646
  * Philips PCVC675
  * Philips PCVC680
  * Philips PCVC690
  * Philips PCVC720/40
  * Philips PCVC730
  * Philips PCVC740
  * Philips PCVC750
  * Askey VC010
  * Creative Labs Webcam 5
  * Creative Labs Webcam Pro Ex
  * Logitech QuickCam 3000 Pro
  * Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro
  * Logitech QuickCam Notebook Pro
  * Logitech QuickCam Zoom
  * Logitech QuickCam Orbit
  * Logitech QuickCam Sphere
  * Samsung MPC-C10
  * Samsung MPC-C30
  * Sotec Afina Eye
  * AME CU-001
  * Visionite VCS-UM100
  * Visionite VCS-UC300

Note that I haven't tried this - but thought people might be interested.

Cheers,

Paul.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul Smedley schreef:
> 
>> Geez Kris - enough of the conspiracy theories...... I posted to the 
>> Voice list some months ago about this......
>>
> Really? A search at http://www.os2voice dot org/ for webcam gives me:
> 
> *Searching TITLEs of HTML documents for: *webcam /No matches...
> 
> 
> /
> 
>> Also - there's now usb webcam support in the latest wvgui..
>>
> This latest togheter with the "latest" uniaud crashes my entire system. 
> Had to revert to jan 2005 files to regain a working system.
> 
> And I still don't understand why a Netlabs project can't be found at 
> Netlabs ... unless you are speaking about a non-Netlabs project of course.
> 
>> You do subscribe to the Voice news list don't you?
>>
> Even worse, I am member and I'm paying duly the annual fee.
> 
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:04:52 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
>> package to support USB Webcams under OS/2.
>>    Package can be found at:
>>    ftp://ftp dot netlabs dot org/pub/wvgui/samples/wcamdemo.zip
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>>  
>> Since that time, WarpVision has been updated and includes, I believe 
>> the same  of possibly a more advanced version of this code.
>>
> Latest WV + lastest Uniaud triggered a crash not only at mine but a 
> severall systems. So, dunno whether it works or not.

I use the latest WVGUI with Uniaud however because I needed a feature to 
work (can't remember now what it was, I think it was playing windows 
media files), I had to install and register Warp Overlay (I had already 
registered Warp Vision), perhaps the latest versions of WVGUI assume you 
have these registered components installed and fail if they're not 
there. Actually it also needed Doodle screen saver installed as well 
before it would work correctly as it wanted to disble this while it was 
playing video and re-enable it afterwards. Do you have doodle screen 
saver installed ?

>
>> USB webcams, however until there is an application to use the output 
>> of the webcam other than on the local screen, the use of the driver 
>> is limited.
>
>
> Better than nothing at all of course.
>
>>   There have been OS/2 webcam programs however in the majority of cases,
>
>
> Have been is very past tense, isn't it?
>
>> these have only taken snapshots and not streamed the video and audio.
>>
> Wouldn't know where to find one.
>
I've collected them over time, they may be on Hobbes however they're 
designed to work with specific boards and analogue cameras or parrallel 
port cameras and like it or not, we need a program that will 
inter-operate with "the darkside" i.e. users with Windows systems. So I 
think there's still some work to be done here.

It's some progress at least, it shows that people are still developing 
for OS/2.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:13:26 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
>> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Durrant schreef:
>>>
>>>> I know Paul  and some others will be interested to hear, that the  
>>>> Netlabs USB Webcam capturing software appears to work !
>>>>
>>> I can't find anything like that on www dot netlabs dot org. Yet another 
>>> secret acts project?
>>>
>> Hi Kris - no, no smoking mirrors:
>>
>> This was announced as "found" on the netlabs FTP server a while ago:
>>
>> package to support USB Webcams under OS/2.
>>    Package can be found at:
>>    ftp://ftp dot netlabs dot org/pub/wvgui/samples/wcamdemo.zip
>
>
> Now my next question:
>
> I've installed the files. Can I now purchase one cam mentioned on the 
> list and assume it will work just like that?
>
In this world, you cannot assume anything ! All I can say is that I 
bought a second hand logitech Quickcam pro 3000 and indeed I plugged it 
in ran wcamshow and it loaded a dive window and I could see myself - so 
in my case yes. Can we assume that every one of the cameras on the list 
will work so easily - I don't know. There is a risk. I would buy an 
expensive, new camera with such a risk.

As I said befire, the DIVE  sample window, only gives a screenshot when 
you click on it - it does not give moving video as Warp Vision does. If 
you can't run the latest warp vision that has webcam support, you may be 
stuck with only the single shot dive sample program, which is pretty 
limited.  I think it'd be good to try to sort out the WVGUI problems 
first since this is really the only OS/2 program that can support the 
usb webcams output at the moment.

cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:52:43 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.



Ed Durrant schreef:

> Actually it also needed Doodle screen saver installed as well before 
> it would work correctly as it wanted to disble this while it was 
> playing video and re-enable it afterwards. Do you have doodle screen 
> saver installed ?
>
Sorry, but if Warpvision can't work properly by itself I've no intension 
to loose my free time on it any further.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:58:17 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.



Ed Durrant schreef:

> eras on the list will work so easily - I don't know. There is a risk. 
> I would buy an expensive, new camera with such a risk.
>
Personally I would not.

> As I said befire, the DIVE  sample window, only gives a screenshot 
> when you click on it - it does not give moving video as Warp Vision 
> does. If you can't run the latest warp vision that has webcam support, 
> you may be stuck with only the single shot dive sample program, which 
> is pretty limited.  I think it'd be good to try to sort out the WVGUI 
> problems first since this is 

The problem is the new libcx(whatever).dll  requierement for the 
"latest". Triggers a crash on quite a few systems. (-:

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:42:15 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
>> There is a risk. I would buy an expensive, new camera with such a risk.
>
> Personally I would not. 


Kris, [Ed],

I think Ed just didn't proof-read what he wrote -  I'm pretty sure he 
meant to say he wouldn't buy an expensive, new camera with such a risk. 
In other words get some
cheap camera to check it out.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:14:14 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ed Durrant schreef:
>>
>>> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed Durrant schreef:
>>>>
>>>>> I know Paul  and some others will be interested to hear, that the  
>>>>> Netlabs USB Webcam capturing software appears to work !
>>>>>
>>>> I can't find anything like that on www dot netlabs dot org. Yet another 
>>>> secret acts project?
>>>>
>>> Hi Kris - no, no smoking mirrors:
>>>
>>> This was announced as "found" on the netlabs FTP server a while ago:
>>>
>>> package to support USB Webcams under OS/2.
>>>    Package can be found at:
>>>    ftp://ftp dot netlabs dot org/pub/wvgui/samples/wcamdemo.zip
>>
>>
>>
>> Now my next question:
>>
>> I've installed the files. Can I now purchase one cam mentioned on the 
>> list and assume it will work just like that?
>>
> In this world, you cannot assume anything ! All I can say is that I 
> bought a second hand logitech Quickcam pro 3000 and indeed I plugged 
> it in ran wcamshow and it loaded a dive window and I could see myself 
> - so in my case yes. Can we assume that every one of the cameras on 
> the list will work so easily - I don't know. There is a risk. I would 
> buy an expensive, new camera with such a risk.
>
  That should read wouldn't not would !!

> As I said before, the DIVE  sample window, only gives a screenshot 
> when you click on it - it does not give moving video as Warp Vision 
> does. If you can't run the latest warp vision that has webcam support, 
> you may be stuck with only the single shot dive sample program, which 
> is pretty limited.  I think it'd be good to try to sort out the WVGUI 
> problems first since this is really the only OS/2 program that can 
> support the usb webcams output at the moment.
>
> cheers/2
>
> Ed.
 
>
> 

>

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:02:00 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.



Ed Durrant schreef:

>>>
>>> I've installed the files. Can I now purchase one cam mentioned on 
>>> the list and assume it will work just like that?
>>>
>> window and I could see myself - so in my case yes. Can we assume that 
>> every one of the cameras on the list will work so easily - I don't 
>> know. There is a risk. I would buy an expensive, new camera with such 
>> a risk.
>>
>  That should read wouldn't not would !!
>
Right.

Taking the opprtunity to ask the obvious question I forgot to ask:

You told Warpvision does better a job than the netlabs file. So, the 
obvious question is: what are your experiences with your webcam and 
warpvision?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:27:51 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
>>>>
>>>> I've installed the files. Can I now purchase one cam mentioned on 
>>>> the list and assume it will work just like that?
>>>>
>>> window and I could see myself - so in my case yes. Can we assume 
>>> that every one of the cameras on the list will work so easily - I 
>>> don't know. There is a risk. I would buy an expensive, new camera 
>>> with such a risk.
>>>
>>  That should read wouldn't not would !!
>>
> Right.
>
> Taking the opprtunity to ask the obvious question I forgot to ask:
>
> You told Warpvision does better a job than the netlabs file. So, the 
> obvious question is: what are your experiences with your webcam and 
> warpvision?
>
One important point is that I think the Netlabs files have been created 
by the same person who maintains warpvision as they are in a WVGUI 
samples directory on the FTP server.

I was actaully amazed how well and simply the Logitech Quickcam 3000 Pro 
worked with WVGUI. Simply plugged into a USB port on my card in the home 
tower PC, no drivers  to install, no configuration to do, simply select 
webcam from the RMB menu of wvgui and a window appeared show the video 
from the webcam. I could expand it to fullscreen without any loss of 
motion (I'd guess its about 25 frames per second). Picture was a bit 
grainy in fullscreen but that's the webcam rather than the software.

That's all WVGUI does though, there's no way to save the incoming video 
stream to a file.

So what it does it does well.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:12:08 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  USB Webcam operational.

Hi Ed

> worked with WVGUI. Simply plugged into a USB port on my card in the home 
> tower PC, no drivers  to install, no configuration to do, simply select 

USB Drivers ?
what are you using and what switches, if I can ask


Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

On a clear disk you can seek forever
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