From: "Digest" <newsatos2site dot com>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:00:00 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 237
Reply-To: <deadmail>

Date:- 22 December 2001

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From: "Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:24:59 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] The perils of web hosting.

Hi Gavin

>Doesn't Helvetica come with just about every OS that uses ATM ( or TT ) fonts???

Yes, except Linux.
IBM, Microsoft, and others pay a licence fee to LinoType for
the use of those fonts, and the use of those font names by default.

Now, the politically correct piece ;-)

If you use the word 'Helvetica' (Helvetica is a registered TM of
 Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (Linotype)) You must include
the TradeMark information with the word.

Linotype OWNs the word Helvetica.

So my friend, you have just broken the TradeMark laws
by not including the Trademark information in your email.
Watch out, the font police might get you :-|

Wonder what sort of mess the world is going to be in when
the International Trademark laws come into effect !

Still curious as to why they started with me, and not the
bigger sites hosting the fonts.

If the story progress's, I'll be creating a webpage with
the information on it during the next week. Also including
links to the stories of others.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

"Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing."
	-- Wernher von Braun

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From: "Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:57:06 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Flora

Hmm :-))

The word 'Flora'  (Flora is a registered TM of 
Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (Linotype)) is also
trademarked to Linotype.
Hmm, Flora Margarine :-)
Flora and Fauna :-)
Hmmm :-)

I can see Linotype thinking in a warped fashion that
they can sue the dictonaries, governments, and just
about everyone else in the world.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

The C Programming Language: combines the flexibility of assembly language
with the power of assembly language.

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:13:47 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] The perils of web hosting.

and what about the HELV font is this a font from a different company
or simply another name for Helvetica (trademark HD AG). Sorry got to
go, just decided to trademark the letter E as used in my name Edward
 ....
 

Cheers/2
E(patent pending, TM pending)d.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Gavin
> 
> >Doesn't Helvetica come with just about every OS that uses ATM ( or TT ) fonts???
> 
> Yes, except Linux.
> IBM, Microsoft, and others pay a licence fee to LinoType for
> the use of those fonts, and the use of those font names by default.
> 
> Now, the politically correct piece ;-)
> 
> If you use the word 'Helvetica' (Helvetica is a registered TM of
>  Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (Linotype)) You must include
> the TradeMark information with the word.
> 
> Linotype OWNs the word Helvetica.
> 
> So my friend, you have just broken the TradeMark laws
> by not including the Trademark information in your email.
> Watch out, the font police might get you :-|
> 
> Wonder what sort of mess the world is going to be in when
> the International Trademark laws come into effect !
> 
> Still curious as to why they started with me, and not the
> bigger sites hosting the fonts.
> 
> If the story progress's, I'll be creating a webpage with
> the information on it during the next week. Also including
> links to the stories of others.
> 
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
> 
> "Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing."
>         -- Wernher von Braun

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:10:28 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Real Networks install requirement for IE5  blocks OS/2  operation

I have now sent an email to the REAL people and at 
their request entered an "official" problem report,
outlining the problem when trying to install the 
RealOne Player via ODIN.

I'll let you all know if/what I get back from them.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] And so it begins....
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:12:57 +1100

Patches for security holes in Win XP already.

http://www.zdnet dot com/feeds/cgi/framer4/hud00224A0/www.zdnet dot com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100941,00.html
<http://www.zdnet dot com/feeds/cgi/framer4/hud00224A0/www.zdnet dot com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100941,00.html> 

Geez - why don't they charge extra for that?

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:59:30 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] The perils of web hosting.

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:24:59 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Gavin
>
>>Doesn't Helvetica come with just about every OS that uses ATM ( or TT ) fonts???
>
>Yes, except Linux.
>IBM, Microsoft, and others pay a licence fee to LinoType for
>the use of those fonts, and the use of those font names by default.
>
>Now, the politically correct piece ;-)
>
>If you use the word 'Helvetica' (Helvetica is a registered TM of
> Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (Linotype)) You must include
>the TradeMark information with the word.
>
>Linotype OWNs the word Helvetica.

[Henry Crun] Oh dear! Oh dear, oh dear!

This is bad news indeed for Goscinny & Uderzo, Asterix, Obelix and
all, not to mention Julius Caesar, the Roman Empire and the longest
existing democracy in the world aka Switzerland!

LinoType must be VERY smart to have outsmarted the Swiss.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Computer programmers never die, they just get lost in the processing.

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:03:16 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Flora

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:57:06 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hmm :-))
>
>The word 'Flora'  (Flora is a registered TM of 
>Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (Linotype)) is also
>trademarked to Linotype.
>Hmm, Flora Margarine :-)
>Flora and Fauna :-)
>Hmmm :-)
>
>I can see Linotype thinking in a warped fashion that
>they can sue the dictonaries, governments, and just
>about everyone else in the world.

Could they possibly have managed ownership of Gates as a typeface
name? [Could we suggest that to them?]

Imagine a battle royal of lawyers from Gates and lawyers from
Linotype...Ah, to dream!!



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Who invented copper-wire? Two lawyers found a cent!

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:56:53 +1030
From: Gregory Hicks <ghicksatihug dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Flora

at least we'd have something else to talk about

John Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:57:06 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:
>
> >Hmm :-))
> >
> >The word 'Flora'  (Flora is a registered TM of
> >Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (Linotype)) is also
> >trademarked to Linotype.
> >Hmm, Flora Margarine :-)
> >Flora and Fauna :-)
> >Hmmm :-)
> >
> >I can see Linotype thinking in a warped fashion that
> >they can sue the dictonaries, governments, and just
> >about everyone else in the world.
>
> Could they possibly have managed ownership of Gates as a typeface
> name? [Could we suggest that to them?]
>
> Imagine a battle royal of lawyers from Gates and lawyers from
> Linotype...Ah, to dream!!
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
> --------------------------------------------
>
> PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
> ... Who invented copper-wire? Two lawyers found a cent!
>

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From: "Gavin Miller" <digitaldreamsatdingoblue dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:51:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] And so it begins....

Sorry Trevor, I know you have the whole Slater & Gordon disclaimer thing happening, 
but I quit studying law since it was apparent to me that the law was slowly but surely 
dissapearing up it's own clacker.  This whole name registration and trademark fiasco is 
just one example; a humourous one I grant you; but an example it is :-)

Cheers guys
Gavin

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From: "Gavin Miller" <digitaldreamsatdingoblue dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:00:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] The perils of web hosting.

Hi Ian,

The little fish are easier to turn into fish paste.  This is another example of what the legal 
system is like (see reply to Trev's "and so it begins" ).  That's why they have targeted 
your small site rather than attack larger organisations that might have greater access to 
legal experts.  Of coarse this is just MY opinion; I don't have any facts to support this, but 
it makes sense to me.  As I said (in reply to Trev) I quit studying law.  :-)

Cheers
Gavin
