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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:23:21 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

Thanks Bob,
  I am using exactly the same Drive also in my ide/scsi system.

  I already have the revised drivers installed and can access DVD data
disks without problem.

  What I am looking for is something to play the VOB ISO and BUP
files that are there. Ideally this would simply be a CODEC plugin
for MMPM/2 but I guess I'm more likely to find a separate player
application.

  I've tried using some Win32 Apps through ODIN but without success
yet (I think they neeed full Direct-X v6 support). So I'm looking again
for a true OS/2 app.

Cheers/2

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> Hi Ed.
>
> I am using a IDE atapi Pioneer DVD 16x drive in my IDE/SCSI mixed system.
>
> It works as DVD DATA reader under the IBM Client Conv. Pack
> (otherwise known as MCP, Merlin Convenience Pack).
> I have not got around to installing eCS yet, but have no doubt that
> it will work there as well.
>
> I paid $123.00 at a Computer Swap Meet about 3-4 weeks ago.
>
> I have also copied the relevant files and made config.sys changes
> to my Warp4 fixpack 15 partition and have DVD data access there as well.
> Fixpack 14 or higher is needed for this to work.
>
> Details are:-
> Copy UDF.IFS to \OS2\BOOT
> copy UUDF.DLL  to \OS2\DLL
> copy OS2CDROM.DMD to \OS2\BOOT (backup original first of course).
>
> and put the following line at the end of your config.sys
>
> IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\UDF.IFS
> reboot
>
> Regards,
> BobT.
>
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:17:14 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know of a DVD player for OS/2 ??
> >
> > Not a DiVX player, a simple DVD player, so that I can view and
> > hear DVD Disks in my DVD-ROM PC Drive.
> >
> > Cheers/2
> > Ed.
>
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
>

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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

Hi Ed,

Unless there's an OS/2 developer who has the cash to pay the many tens of thousands 
of dollars for the licensing rights, then DVD data is all that OS/2 will get.  I asked this 
very same question in response to an OS/2eZine report on DVD, and the above is the 
short version of what I received back.  Rumour has it that Linux might be in trouble in this 
reguard as well, even though full DVD support on Linux has been well publicized.

Cheers
Gavin

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:23:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Thanks Bob,
>  I am using exactly the same Drive also in my ide/scsi system.
>
>  I already have the revised drivers installed and can access DVD data
>disks without problem.
>
>  What I am looking for is something to play the VOB ISO and BUP
>files that are there. Ideally this would simply be a CODEC plugin
>for MMPM/2 but I guess I'm more likely to find a separate player
>application.
>
>  I've tried using some Win32 Apps through ODIN but without success
>yet (I think they neeed full Direct-X v6 support). So I'm looking again
>for a true OS/2 app.
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.

3==============================================

Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:32:14 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

Hmmm - then how come, if there's licencing issues, are there Win32 freeware
DVD players ????  Are these "illegal" ??

 Guess the only option left is to use a "rip" program, convert to DiVX and watch
the DiVX movie - this is definately in a "grey" area as regards rights though - but
Hey, I've bought the DVD, so I am owner of that property and have paid the publishers
their dollars, so "morally" I guess this is OK.

 what doee everyone think ??

Cheers/2

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Unless there's an OS/2 developer who has the cash to pay the many tens of thousands
> of dollars for the licensing rights, then DVD data is all that OS/2 will get.  I asked this
> very same question in response to an OS/2eZine report on DVD, and the above is the
> short version of what I received back.  Rumour has it that Linux might be in trouble in this
> reguard as well, even though full DVD support on Linux has been well publicized.
>
> Cheers
> Gavin
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:23:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >Thanks Bob,
> >  I am using exactly the same Drive also in my ide/scsi system.
> >
> >  I already have the revised drivers installed and can access DVD data
> >disks without problem.
> >
> >  What I am looking for is something to play the VOB ISO and BUP
> >files that are there. Ideally this would simply be a CODEC plugin
> >for MMPM/2 but I guess I'm more likely to find a separate player
> >application.
> >
> >  I've tried using some Win32 Apps through ODIN but without success
> >yet (I think they neeed full Direct-X v6 support). So I'm looking again
> >for a true OS/2 app.
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >
> >Ed.
>

4==============================================

From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

Micro$oft payed up so they could develop a codec for full DVD.  As far as I know, all a 
software developer has to do is write for that codec, hence the free apps.  One OS/2 
user has developed a crack for one part of the DVD encryptions.  That unfortunatly isn't 
enough to burn and use DVD movies.

Your idea with DiVX might be good though, now that there's WarpMedia.

Cheers
Gavin

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:32:14 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Hmmm - then how come, if there's licencing issues, are there Win32 freeware
>DVD players ????  Are these "illegal" ??
>
> Guess the only option left is to use a "rip" program, convert to DiVX and watch
>the DiVX movie - this is definately in a "grey" area as regards rights though - but
>Hey, I've bought the DVD, so I am owner of that property and have paid the publishers
>their dollars, so "morally" I guess this is OK.
>
> what doee everyone think ??
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Unless there's an OS/2 developer who has the cash to pay the many tens of 
thousands
>> of dollars for the licensing rights, then DVD data is all that OS/2 will get.  I asked this
>> very same question in response to an OS/2eZine report on DVD, and the above is 
the
>> short version of what I received back.  Rumour has it that Linux might be in trouble in 
this
>> reguard as well, even though full DVD support on Linux has been well publicized.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gavin
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:23:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks Bob,
>> >  I am using exactly the same Drive also in my ide/scsi system.
>> >
>> >  I already have the revised drivers installed and can access DVD data
>> >disks without problem.
>> >
>> >  What I am looking for is something to play the VOB ISO and BUP
>> >files that are there. Ideally this would simply be a CODEC plugin
>> >for MMPM/2 but I guess I'm more likely to find a separate player
>> >application.
>> >
>> >  I've tried using some Win32 Apps through ODIN but without success
>> >yet (I think they neeed full Direct-X v6 support). So I'm looking again
>> >for a true OS/2 app.
>> >
>> >Cheers/2
>> >
>> >Ed.
>>

5==============================================

Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:53:19 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

My reading of the situation is that so long as I don't distribute either
for reward or free or broadcast the DiVX that I create, I am not affecting
the artists and publishers rights.

As you say there's warpmedia (which interestingly enough uses Win32 codecs
I think), however development on this has been frozen at the moment as the
coders are busy. I think some minor changes are being made though despite
that. There's also a Russian Native OS/2 DiVX player (is it called Z ? or is that
their MP3 player?) anyway, this plays the video but doesn't seem to play any
audio as yet (it's only beta code - so wait and see).

There's also another group developing a complete replacement for MMOS2 -
or was that a future aim of WarpMedia, I forget. The recent changes from IBM
to the Warp Kernal, seem to signify changes to further improve multimedia
support - so are we about to see something from "Big Blue" as well ??? Perhaps
their just re-acting to customers developers requests ....

I also had a copy of a DOS (yes DOS) DiVX player that might be of some use
- it appeared to run well in a DOS box under OS/2, so I'll take a look at this
again.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Micro$oft payed up so they could develop a codec for full DVD.  As far as I know, all a
> software developer has to do is write for that codec, hence the free apps.

6==============================================

From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:59:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

I wonder now that Serenity have given OS/2 a face lift and some extra tidbits, that IBM 
are seeing some dollars move away from them.  I don't know how much IBM's chunk of 
eCs's capital is, but........ :-)

Cheers
Gavin

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:53:19 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>My reading of the situation is that so long as I don't distribute either
>for reward or free or broadcast the DiVX that I create, I am not affecting
>the artists and publishers rights.
>
>As you say there's warpmedia (which interestingly enough uses Win32 codecs
>I think), however development on this has been frozen at the moment as the
>coders are busy. I think some minor changes are being made though despite
>that. There's also a Russian Native OS/2 DiVX player (is it called Z ? or is that
>their MP3 player?) anyway, this plays the video but doesn't seem to play any
>audio as yet (it's only beta code - so wait and see).
>
>There's also another group developing a complete replacement for MMOS2 -
>or was that a future aim of WarpMedia, I forget. The recent changes from IBM
>to the Warp Kernal, seem to signify changes to further improve multimedia
>support - so are we about to see something from "Big Blue" as well ??? Perhaps
>their just re-acting to customers developers requests ....
>
>I also had a copy of a DOS (yes DOS) DiVX player that might be of some use
>- it appeared to run well in a DOS box under OS/2, so I'll take a look at this
>again.
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>


7==============================================

Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:07:43 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Player for OS/2 ??

Serenity Systems are an IBM Business Partner. Part of a BP role has always been to
"value add" and that's exactly what Serenity Systems are doing.

If you buy eCs from Serenity Systems (or Orion Solutions here in Australia) a part
of that price goes back to IBM.

If Serenity Systems can market more sales of OS/2 in the form of eCs, then IBM
are not going to be unhappy, especially as Serenity Systems become the first level
support point. IMHO It's a win-win for IBM.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> I wonder now that Serenity have given OS/2 a face lift and some extra tidbits, that IBM
> are seeing some dollars move away from them.  I don't know how much IBM's chunk of
> eCs's capital is, but........ :-)
>
> Cheers
> Gavin
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:53:19 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >My reading of the situation is that so long as I don't distribute either
> >for reward or free or broadcast the DiVX that I create, I am not affecting
> >the artists and publishers rights.
> >
> >As you say there's warpmedia (which interestingly enough uses Win32 codecs
> >I think), however development on this has been frozen at the moment as the
> >coders are busy. I think some minor changes are being made though despite
> >that. There's also a Russian Native OS/2 DiVX player (is it called Z ? or is that
> >their MP3 player?) anyway, this plays the video but doesn't seem to play any
> >audio as yet (it's only beta code - so wait and see).
> >
> >There's also another group developing a complete replacement for MMOS2 -
> >or was that a future aim of WarpMedia, I forget. The recent changes from IBM
> >to the Warp Kernal, seem to signify changes to further improve multimedia
> >support - so are we about to see something from "Big Blue" as well ??? Perhaps
> >their just re-acting to customers developers requests ....
> >
> >I also had a copy of a DOS (yes DOS) DiVX player that might be of some use
> >- it appeared to run well in a DOS box under OS/2, so I'll take a look at this
> >again.
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >
> >Ed.
> >
>
