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Thursday 15 August 2002
 Number  423
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
5  [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : <djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
8  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
12  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : ve" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : ve" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:17:35 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN)

Are you certain that RESOLV is for PPP links, not for DOS TCPIP usage ??

Cheers/2

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi All,
> Can people confirm that some MPTS levels, WR08610?, have a nasty bug
> where if the PPP link is up, resolv2, (LAN), is still used for DNS
> resolution?
>
> I suspect this is what is happening with a laptop I've configured with
> In-Joy 2.3.
> I've got a line in startup.cmd to delete resolv if it wasn't deleted
> when the PPP link was terminated but I've seen the situation where if
> resolv2 exists resolv isn't read, even though it exists & the PPP link
> is up.
>
> I've written the script below to solve this problem. It runs at
> condition: "start at host connect" in In-Joy. People's comments please.
>
> /* *** ppp_prep.cmd
> ****************************************************** */
> /* Purpose:
>    */
> /* Cleanup LAN interface(s) ready for a PPP interface
>    */
> /*
>    */
> /* Daryl Pilkington
>    */
> /* darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au, +61-425-251-300
>    */
> /* version 20020814
>    */
> /*
> ***********************************************************************
> */
>
> /* Flush all network & host routing entries */
> "route -fh"
>
> /* Flush all address translation entries */
> "arp -f"
>
> /* Delete resolv2, (LAN), DNS resolv file. */
> /* Some MPTS levels will use resolv2, (LAN), even if resolv, (PPP),
> exists. */
> "if exist d:\mptn\etc\resolv2 del d:\mptn\etc\resolv2"
>
> "exit"
>
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
>

>  


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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:19:31 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator

Yes, I did all that. As Ian suggested, I'll try the two step approach as I also found in
the inf file a comment saying that although Audio-CD is ready to do direct copying, while
CDRDAO's is flakey, it won't neccessarily work.

Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:

> Ed,
> Have you setup pages two and three of the DAO setup in the Audio CD Creator?  I
> believe that these settings are used for the 1:1 CD Copy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul.
>
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:35:51 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >OK I'll try the two step rather than one step method and see how I go.
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >
> >Ed.
> >
> >Ian Manners wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Ed
> >>
> >> >Has anyone else on this list successfully used this part of the program
> >> >??
> >>
> >> Yes but only with real SCSI CDR's.
> >> Make sure you have set the parameters in "CD-Creator Settings"
> >> The other thing, I wrote the raw image first before writing to
> >> a fresh CD, as I did 101 copys (no spelling mistake :)
> >>
> >> >As for Gavin's choice of SONY CD-RW, that particular model is not listed
> >> >in the documentation but a general comment is that any SCSI-3/MMC
> >> >complaint writer (which Gavin's Sony model is), should work OK.
> >>
> >> Compliant ;-)
> >> Hope its not a complaining writer.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Ian B Manners
> >>
> >> Explore the galaxy--meet new alien races--blow them away!
> >
> >>  
> >
> >

> > 

> >
>

>  


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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:20:07 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator

About 25GB free - that should be enough ....

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi Paul, Ed, et-al,
>
> The 1:1 CD copy function is only a pseudo on-the-fly copy.
> It still needs to create a temporary CD image file, so if you are short
> on HDD space, you are out of luck :)
>
> As previously mentioned, I use Tonigy.
> I'm using a 8MB RAM buffer for CD-Creator settings.
> I think my TraxData 4260 CD-RW has a 1MB buffer.
>
> ****************************************************************
> For CD->CD copying use CDRECORD with CD-Creator as a front-end &
> Tonigy.
>
> Tonigy, an installable file system, makes CDs appear as an ISO image on
> a virtual drive letter & CDRECORD works with ISO CD images.
>
> So mount a Tonigy drive, tell CDRECORD/2 where the ISO is & burn:- I
> can burn from a quad CD-ROM to my quad CD-RW on-the-fly no worries.
> ****************************************************************
>
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:09:55 -0400 (EDT), Paul Smedley wrote:
>
> >Ed,
> >Have you setup pages two and three of the DAO setup in the Audio CD Creator?  I
> >believe that these settings are used for the 1:1 CD Copy.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Paul.
> >
> SNIP
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
>

>  


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Date:  Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:04:40 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN)

Hi Ed,
Yes.


On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:17:35 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Are you certain that RESOLV is for PPP links, not for DOS TCPIP usage ??
>
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such
option ?

(I suspect, debug:g c800 doesn't work these days....)




Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:18:15 -1000
From:  <djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 , Voytek Eymont wrote:

>how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such
>option ?
>
>(I suspect, debug:g c800 doesn't work these days....)
>
>
>
>
>Voytek Eymont
>SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
>phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

> 

>
>
I don't think you can on the newer IDE drives, I heard that the disk 
surface for the tracking etc only has read capabilities.
But what I do is repartition the disk to a different, smaller size, and 
then back to the correct size again.
Regards
Dennis.


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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:00:09 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN)

Hi Daryl

>>Are you certain that RESOLV is for PPP links, not for DOS TCPIP usage ??

My understanding is that RESOLV is a DOS thing, or not used at all with
modern TCP/IP. InJoy dialer dynamically places DNS information in its
memory space, so you need to ensure that the DNS(s) are entered into
the relavant place in InJoy's config.  I havent followed all this thread so
I could be off on a tangent here.

If nothing is entered in InJoys config, then DNS will default to system
DNS which uses resolv2.

Cheers
Ian B Manners


Chairman Bill's favorite Windows excuse: "It's better odds than Las Vegas."
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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:25:41 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

If low level formatting is possible, it will probably be manufacturer specific for EIDE
drives. I suggest you check out the manufactuers website. If it's possible, that's
where you'll get the diskette image from.

Cheers/2

Ed.

djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 , Voytek Eymont wrote:
>
> >how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such
> >option ?
> >
> >(I suspect, debug:g c800 doesn't work these days....)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Voytek Eymont
> >SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> >phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

> > 

> >
> >
> I don't think you can on the newer IDE drives, I heard that the disk
> surface for the tracking etc only has read capabilities.
> But what I do is repartition the disk to a different, smaller size, and
> then back to the correct size again.
> Regards
> Dennis.
>

>  


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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:01:55 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

Excuse my ignorance but........What is Low level formatting?

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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:24:35 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

A low-level format is one performed directly on the disk, usually by the disk
controller itself. This is different to a format that you would do from the operating
system in that it actually works at a bit-level right down on the disk surface and
erases everything, no just data within partitions ut the partition table and master
boot records themselves. A low-level format takes a LONG time. It is not unusual to
have to leave one overnight to complete. Like the high-level format the action
formating the drive finds and disables and faulty areas on the disk surface.

After a low level format is complete, you will have to re-partition and high-level
format a drive before it can be used. It's like getting a brand new, never used drive.

People will often low level format a drive to ensure confidential data is removed
permanently from the drive.


Cheers/2

Ed.


Gavin Miller wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance but........What is Low level formatting?
>

>  


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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:15:13 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

Hi All,

This might not be entirely relevant if the topic of discussion
is restricted to IDE only drives, but SCSI drives have long had 
the ability to be Low-level formatted.  This utility actually 
is built into the SCSI controller card itself.

My old Adaptec 2940 UW card has this ability and I have had to use 
this option on occasion.  It always worked but took a VERY long time.

My newer Adaptec 29160N Ultra 160 SCSI card also has this function 
built in and I used it to low-level format an old drive that had been 
used on a different SCSI controller card successfully.

I should also mention that the low-level format was followed by a 
VERIFY function which mapped out any bad sectors and enabled
the appearance of a "perfect" hard disk.

When I finished I then partitioned and reformatted and finally,
copied all the data back to the "refreshed" SCSI drive.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT)
   15 August 2002




On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:25:41 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> If low level formatting is possible, it will probably be manufacturer specific for EIDE
> drives. I suggest you check out the manufactuers website. If it's possible, that's
> where you'll get the diskette image from.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

> djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 , Voytek Eymont wrote:
> > >how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such
> > >option ?


   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:14:22 +1000
From:  "ve" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:01:55 +1100 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote:

>Excuse my ignorance but........What is Low level formatting?

bfore a hd can be used, it needs: low level formatting, then, partitioning (fdisk), then, op sys format




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Date:  Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:20:09 +1000
From:  "ve" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ?

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:15:13 +1000, Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:

>This might not be entirely relevant if the topic of discussion
>is restricted to IDE only drives, but SCSI drives have long had 
>the ability to be Low-level formatted.  This utility actually 
>is built into the SCSI controller card itself.

that's how non-scsi drives were, there was a hd format utility on the controller card;
generally at C800. if there was no utility, debug would invoke the format function from controller


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