Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 23

Date:- 07 April 2001

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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:52:16 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future

I am sure os/2 has a commercial future, I just wonder about non-commercial 
use. I hate battling with things that should work out of the box. I seem to be 
adding more and more to W4 to keep it on the road, bit like keeping an old 
reliable HQ going.
eCS might solve my woes, I will keep an eye on this. If SWC results in a big 
push for Warp I might take this up too.

On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:22:45 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>But what about people having to begin fron scratch on? What about grannie 
looking for a new
>present for the grandchildren?

One point exactly. If the rellies want to give cd's to the kids I say no, no.  
Its hard enough getting win games to work on win, any games (or eduware) for 
the kids I try to ensure its win/mac. 
At least they thought of other os's.

I will be needing 1-2 pc's for the family in the next yr or 2 so might just 
keep the mac in mind as well.

>>If OS/2 was ever dropped by IBM then that would only mean less updates I
>> have to apply to my systems

Yes, you almost need an update manager now and an update list compiler. Some 
updates break others so update route depends on end requirements. Much 
hardware support is lacking and its a challenge not a breeze.

>Quite right if it was only for you. But we have to deal with the other part 
>of the real world

I thought staroffice was going to solve this, but I will have to stick to 
lotus and its limitations for now.

>>I have used UNIX enough to know that I don't have the energy to teach
>>myself Linux.

I thought this too, install & setup is easy. Linux is a wonderful thing 
inside, logical and orderly security and file systems, more like solaris than 
AIX. Updates and packages are good, hardware support is good and it doesn't 
seem to break. Just hope they don't try to emulate the featureless win desktop 
with gnome. Be great if the os/2 WPS could be put on top. Anyone seen the 
linux with the SGI gui.
Shows what could happen if Warp was opensourced.
Be interesting to see if apples osx has these insides with a friendly face.

steve
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:04:14 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] Timezone variable TZ

Greetings from the Coat-Hanger City.

I'm now working across 2 national & 3 international time zones. I'm
using email date/time stamps as a method of version control, so it is
important my TZ variable is set correctly.

This list is going more international every day so I'd humbly suggest
all & sundry set their TZ variable in their config.sys correctly. This
variable is used by your mail program to correctly timestamp your
emails.

SA:
SET TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,10800,3600

NSW:
SET TZ=EST-10EST,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,10800,3600

VIC:
SET TZ=EST-10EST,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,10800,3600

If you really want to know what the above means look at the on-line OS/2
Command Reference, search for TZ.

See also Margaret's excellent page about Australia:
http://www.dstc.qut.edu.au/DST/marg/daylight.html#cutoffs

Just my 0:03 +10:00 EST worth of time.

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Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:20:29 +1000



> Actually, as no shop sells any Dos/Windy3.11 program anymore,
> the only way we have for now is the way of "illigal" copying.
> Imho that's a big problem.

Don't forget web sites that archive old and current shareware, plus online
secondhand auctions, plus secondhand computer stores.

It almost makes me cry when I see some of the good DOS software, that some
programmer put hours of effort into, which is fast and compact, good
graphics and sound, and still works perfectly ok, which is now considered
'dead' because it doesn't run under winnt/2000.  I reject the ridiculous
notion that software has an expiry date.

Craig

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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:41:37 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future

True,
The kids love dos doom, jill,etc., etc, and I still use ms quickbasic 4.5
compiler and environment. Got to say tho' that performance comparisons between
compiled qb45 aps and a java app put java ahead on os/2.

steve

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:20:29 +1000, Craig Brookes wrote:

>It almost makes me cry when I see some of the good DOS software, that some
>programmer put hours of effort into, which is fast and compact, good
>graphics and sound, and still works perfectly ok, which is now considered
>'dead' because it doesn't run under winnt/2000.  I reject the ridiculous
>notion that software has an expiry date.
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:01:17 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: New Kernals

From: Scott E. Garfinkle as posted on comp.os.os2.bugs

[Moderator note:  Please note that anything on testcase is not supported

by IBM unless IBM tells you to use it.  Please backup any files before
replacing them.  if you experience any problems after trying these new
files, please report the problems on the Usenet group comp.os.os2.bugs.]

The latest build is out. There is a report which, so far, I cannot
reproduce, of a hang exiting an OS/2  fullscreen session.  As always,
Get
the kernels on the internet at
ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm dot com/ps/fromibm/os2   DFxxx is the dump
formatter stuff for this build. xxxD.zip  are the debug kernels. Don't
use
them unless you know how to use the kernel debugger.
        w4 kernels are for Warp 4/MCP
        uni/smp kernels are for WSeB/ACP uni and smp installations


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From: <djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:18:48 -1000


On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:30:54 +1000, Peter Godbold wrote:

I thought there was a client(Personal) version available for free.
There was a CD offer, I know cos I got it.
Also I'm sure it is available for a free download
The URL to order the free CD is
"
You can get a free trial CD from IBM at:

  http://www6.software.ibm dot com/dl/db2v7cd/db2v7cd-p 

You only need to register at IBM to get the CD.
"
But this came out in Nov 2000. don't know if it's still current.

I seem to have lost the url for the download
But if you search the IBM site for the products you will find reference 
to it and find where to go to download it.
It's rather large for a download though.

Regards Dennis.
 

>John,
>
>Yes, I did realise that DBM had evolved to DB/2 UDB, but I can't afford
>the bikkies to get it on my home machine at the moment :-(  
>
>I have some old family genealogical data on diskette that was saved in
>'95 as *.IXF format files, and thought I might try to scrounge a copy of
>DBM to resurrect it, . . . if someone had run DBM under Warp4.  
>
>Which leads to my next question . . . has anyone either a DBM diskette
>set (at one stage I remember it was on a separate set of diskettes), or
>know where I might get my hands on a set?  Documentation would be
>appreciated, too, if that's not pushing the bounds of probability too
>far!!!
>
>Peter Godbold
>
>John Angelico wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone understand that this is now called DB2/2 UDB? :)
>> 
>> In our business, we used DBM v1.3 on our Warp 4 system while awaiting
>> the upgrade to UDB v5. The implication is that yes it is possible.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> John Angelico
>

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:03:12 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautatvillage.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future


Craig Brookes schreef:

> > Actually, as no shop sells any Dos/Windy3.11 program anymore,
> > the only way we have for now is the way of "illigal" copying.
> > Imho that's a big problem.
>
> Don't forget web sites that archive old and current shareware, plus online
> secondhand auctions, plus secondhand computer stores.
>

I know, but these things are mostly shareware being crippled in one way of another. And
auctions of second hand  soft is almost non existant here in our partof the EEC.


>
> 'dead' because it doesn't run under winnt/2000.  I reject the ridiculous
> notion that software has an expiry date.

So do I:


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:33:44 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM

Err...
Don't tell anyone, but I think I have access to a copy of DBM v1.3, gee,
I didn't even know what it was, its so *OLD*. Could even be on 5 1/4"
mini-floppies. I've actually got a production DB2 v2.1 server in
operation which has migration tools to v2.1.

From there you could migrate the data to v6 & then the current version.

Do you actually want to *run* 1.3 or do you need the data converted, in
preparation for install on the v7 Personal Edition?

If its the later, easier just to zip-up the *.ixf files email them to me
& I'll convert them to whatever version you like.

djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:30:54 +1000, Peter Godbold wrote:
> 
> I thought there was a client(Personal) version available for free.
> There was a CD offer, I know cos I got it.
> Also I'm sure it is available for a free download
> The URL to order the free CD is
> "
> You can get a free trial CD from IBM at:
> 
>   http://www6.software.ibm dot com/dl/db2v7cd/db2v7cd-p
> 
> You only need to register at IBM to get the CD.
> "
> But this came out in Nov 2000. don't know if it's still current.
> 
> I seem to have lost the url for the download
> But if you search the IBM site for the products you will find reference
> to it and find where to go to download it.
> It's rather large for a download though.
> 
> Regards Dennis.
> 
> 
> >John,
> >
> >Yes, I did realise that DBM had evolved to DB/2 UDB, but I can't afford
> >the bikkies to get it on my home machine at the moment :-(
> >
> >I have some old family genealogical data on diskette that was saved in
> >'95 as *.IXF format files, and thought I might try to scrounge a copy of
> >DBM to resurrect it, . . . if someone had run DBM under Warp4.
> >
> >Which leads to my next question . . . has anyone either a DBM diskette
> >set (at one stage I remember it was on a separate set of diskettes), or
> >know where I might get my hands on a set?  Documentation would be
> >appreciated, too, if that's not pushing the bounds of probability too
> >far!!!
> >
> >Peter Godbold
> >
> >John Angelico wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone understand that this is now called DB2/2 UDB? :)
> >>
> >> In our business, we used DBM v1.3 on our Warp 4 system while awaiting
> >> the upgrade to UDB v5. The implication is that yes it is possible.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> John Angelico
> >
> 
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:22:15 +1000
From: Peter <pedrosatsub dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] OS/2 at the 1998 Winter & Sydney Olympics...

Hi all...

I must have deleted the posting which says OS/2 was used at the 1998
Winter & Sydney Olympics.

Can anyone please send me a copy of that posting.

I want to prove to someone that OS/2 isnt...as he puts it..."an archaic
os".

Thanks
Peter.

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:49:10 -0400
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] OS/2 at the 1998 Winter & Sydney Olympics...

Unfortuneately the IBM run Olympics sites are now shut down - 
It was a condition of the contract however I've found the following 
references that at least mention OS/2 in connection with Nagano and 
Sydney games.

In fact ALL PCs and Intel based servers ran OS/2 at Nagano, in Sydney
only the Commentator Information System (about 15% of the PCs installed)
and the PC installation system (ie where every PC and Intel based server
was installed from) ran OS/2.

http://www-4.ibm dot com/software/ad/casestudies/csnagano.html

http://booksrv2.raleigh.ibm dot com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/bookmgr.exe/NOFRAMES/OLYIBM/2.9

Ed Durrant

(ex IBM Olympic Project Office - Sydney 2000 Olympics)

Peter wrote:
> 
> Hi all...
> 
> I must have deleted the posting which says OS/2 was used at the 1998
> Winter & Sydney Olympics.
> 
> Can anyone please send me a copy of that posting.
> 
> I want to prove to someone that OS/2 isnt...as he puts it..."an archaic
> os".
> 
> Thanks
> Peter.
> 
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:08:00 +1000
From: Peter Godbold <spgatgil dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM

Daryl,

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Err...
> Don't tell anyone, but I think I have access to a copy of DBM v1.3, gee,
> I didn't even know what it was, its so *OLD*. Could even be on 5 1/4"
> mini-floppies. 

Boy, that is going back a way!  The dawn of the PC era ;-)

>From there you could migrate the data to v6 & then the current version. 
> Do you actually want to *run* 1.3 or do you need the data converted, in
> preparation for install on the v7 Personal Edition?

Wouldn't mind getting hold of DBM and using it to sort out what is in
these tables.  I had a lot of stored SQL procedures for things like
displaying ancestors and descendants by generation.
  
> If its the later, easier just to zip-up the *.ixf files email them to me
> & I'll convert them to whatever version you like.

As I said, I can't see me getting hold of UDB V7 for a while, and I
doubt I could reproduce the required recursive analyses under Approach! 

Regards,
Peter

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:09:42 -0400
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] TZ settings

Daryl,
  Shouldn't it be TZ=EST-10EDT  (not EST again) ? And what are
all the extra parameters you added ? They aren't mentioned in the
Online comand reference.

 Also what about Perth WA, Darwin NT, Brisbane QLD ???

Ed.

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Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:18:50 +1000

> > > Actually, as no shop sells any Dos/Windy3.11 program anymore,
> > > the only way we have for now is the way of "illigal" copying.
> > > Imho that's a big problem.
> >
> > Don't forget web sites that archive old and current shareware, plus
online
> > secondhand auctions, plus secondhand computer stores.
> >
>
> I know, but these things are mostly shareware being crippled in one way
of another. And
> auctions of second hand  soft is almost non existant here in our partof
the EEC.

It would be great if all shareware authors who were going to abandon their
old software and not provide registration services anymore, would put out a
key for anyone to use, or an unlocked version, as some authors or companies
have done.


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:39:21 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings

Hi Ed,
Gee, you're absolutely right, I must be a heretic.

The info can be found in the help files for World Clock from:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

The parameters are from the link:
"What are the abbreviations for Australian Time Zones?"

Note EDT was made-up by some-one.

WA, NT, QLD, hell, they can work it out themselves based on the URL
given, I just put the ones in that I use.

Isn't QLD UTC +10:00 -50years?...

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> Daryl,
>   Shouldn't it be TZ=EST-10EDT  (not EST again) ? And what are
> all the extra parameters you added ? They aren't mentioned in the
> Online comand reference.
> 
>  Also what about Perth WA, Darwin NT, Brisbane QLD ???
> 
> Ed.

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:18:14 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> BTW, Internet Banking from the following Banks has been tested with NS 4.61 for OS/2:
> Adelaide Bank
> ANZ Bank:
> St George Bank
> NAB:
> Commonwealth Bank

Hi Daryl,

Who gives a rats about banks anymore?? Yonks ago I was with the Adelaide Permanent B.S.
They then were gobbled up by the Hindmarsh B.S. to became the Hindmarsh Adelaide B.S. who
in turn combined with the Co-operative B.S. and later great fuss and propaganda !! We are
going to become a bank - all the usual marketing buzz-words about stability/growth/services
blah, blah, blah and yakkity-yak. Out of the ashes of these Building Societies and glossy
brochures arose the Adelaide Bank. I wasn't with them long after discovering that one of
the kid's accounts had been closed by them after fees deducted had left zero balance. I
note that they are now like any other bank and busily closing branches. [Disclaimer: if any
one remembers things differently, all I can say is that I haven't thought about this in a
long while, so I might have a few scrambled clusters. Any suggestions how to chkdsk head:
/f:3?]

I also had an account with "Which bank?" mob but some ten years ago severed any
relationship with banks after I realized that the fees for looking after my petty cash were
greater than the interest.

But, then again, Daryl isn't married with teenage kids, so banks are probably quite keen on
him.

The Powerstate Credit Union in Adelaide has an OS/2 friendly interface. John Angelico can
probably tell you all about it by now. Whilst CU's are not heavenly, white angels either -
at least they are the merest poofteen in front of banks.

Cheers,
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:34:13 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Timezone variable TZ

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> SA: SET TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,10800,3600

Done - at least after the next reboot
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:54:17 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banks, was Java 2 and Browser/2

Hi Leigh,
Fair call, I've had ANZ shut-down an account without notice.
Unfortunately I run a business that needs:
1)
To pay people nationally
(Internet 3rd party payments, BPay)
2)
Needs to purchase things internationally
(VISA)
3)
To be paid
Bpay, cheques, direct credit, international Telegraphic Transfers.
4)
Overdraft facilities
5)
3rd party accounting.
(rent payments directly into a back account do not require receipts,
under NSW law)

I need Bank's services, they cost me money, *sigh*.

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> 
SNIP
>
> Hi Daryl,
> 
> Who gives a rats about banks anymore?? Yonks ago I was with the Adelaide Permanent B.S.
> They then were gobbled up by the Hindmarsh B.S. to became the Hindmarsh Adelaide B.S. who
> in turn combined with the Co-operative B.S. and later great fuss and propaganda !! We are
> going to become a bank - all the usual marketing buzz-words about stability/growth/services
> blah, blah, blah and yakkity-yak. Out of the ashes of these Building Societies and glossy
> brochures arose the Adelaide Bank. I wasn't with them long after discovering that one of
> the kid's accounts had been closed by them after fees deducted had left zero balance. I
> note that they are now like any other bank and busily closing branches. [Disclaimer: if any
> one remembers things differently, all I can say is that I haven't thought about this in a
> long while, so I might have a few scrambled clusters. Any suggestions how to chkdsk head:
> /f:3?]
> 
> I also had an account with "Which bank?" mob but some ten years ago severed any
> relationship with banks after I realized that the fees for looking after my petty cash were
> greater than the interest.
> 
> But, then again, Daryl isn't married with teenage kids, so banks are probably quite keen on
> him.
> 
> The Powerstate Credit Union in Adelaide has an OS/2 friendly interface. John Angelico can
> probably tell you all about it by now. Whilst CU's are not heavenly, white angels either -
> at least they are the merest poofteen in front of banks.
> 
> Cheers,
> Leigh Bunting
> Colonel Light Gardens
> South Australia
> Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
> http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/
> 
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
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