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Wednesday 19 February 2003
 Number  547
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Subjects for today
 
1  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ? : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
2  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
4  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
5  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
6  Test-List: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2 SIG 25th Feb 2003 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
7  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Accounting Software : Trevor Jacobs <trevor at melbpc dot org dot au>
8  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
9  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2 SIG 25th Feb 2003 : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
10  Test-List: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : bob <bob at fots dot org dot au>
12  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] free OS/2 stuff to good homes : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
14  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
15  Test-List: [os2genau] warp server auction : peter" <peterp at tac dot com dot au>
16  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
17  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Accounting Software : Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
18  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
19  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ? : Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
20  Test-List: [os2genau] Accounting Software : Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
21  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ? : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
22  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
23  Test-List: [os2genau] Fw: Accounting Software : Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
24  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
25  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Wiping HD's : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
26  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the Internet slow ... : Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
27  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] free OS/2 stuff to good homes : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
28  Test-List: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ? : tsq at chariot dot net dot au
29  Test-List: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
30  Test-List: [os2genau] Wiping HD's : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
31  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Wiping HD's : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
32  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
33  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : John Wildgoose <johnwild at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
34  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au
35  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] free OS/2 stuff to good homes : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
36  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ? : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
37  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
38  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Reg Headlines Thursday February 13 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
39  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
40  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
41  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Wiping HD's : Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
42  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
43  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem : brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ?

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"Super highway" - defined as a wide band of something more traffic can jam up in

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:18:50 -0500, Wayne wrote:

>from Wayne Kircher
>
>Had the same thing here so I gave up for a while.  It became fast
>again about 4am.  Possibly heavy traffic on the Superhighway?
>
>Cheers
>Wayne
>
>>Hi guys,
>
>>My download times here on chariot are in the bytes, not Kbytes !
>>The ping results to my isp are 110/10238/30130 with a 6% packet loss.
>>I'm unable to even d/l their homepage to see if there's any news.
>
><snip>
>
>>Tell me this is happening to other people today !?!
>>Glenn.

> 

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:

IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*

The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full checkdisk on particular drives each
time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's "chkdsk" (ie it checks the
transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is redundant.


Cheers/2

Ed.

Gregory Hicks wrote:

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> Hi,
>
> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
>
> with the (partial) command line set to:
>
> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
>
> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
>
> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
> followed by the video BIOS message.....
> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to rebooting...
>
> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
>
> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
> resource or driver conflict happening.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> regards
>
> Greg
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

Hi Ed

>I'm having problems when I use Netscape composer to create web pages
>with JPG pictures.

Remove the extended attributes from the jpg's.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/


If you said what you thought, you'd be speechless.
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

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Hi Ian,

no, didn't "jag it".  i used a maint partition (OS/2 of course) and removed the +.....
this was implied in the first e-mail...  boot not going past the nic driver.. no pm gets up...

you need to picture the problem...

power on
Video BIOS
BIOS Mem Test 
BIOS Messages (found hd1 etc)
Looking for boot in CD.. floppy... HD1
Boot Manager Drive C/Drive D C is my main one and the default
	(i usually wonder off and get a drink for this)
Loads up first OS/2 splash screen
goes to text mode...
gets through 8 phases on JFS tests, two partitions E and F
(something else here.. not important)
loads NIC says cable is there..
re-boot
will do this till i get sick of it..
(it went round once when I thought it was taking a bit long and a third time by the time I knew I had a 
problem).

I was on a new installation and had to install the maintenance partition before I could fix the problem.

The ONLY difference between 6 am when I shut down and the next start up at 5pm (yep the machine 
ran all night) was the presence of the 1.3 million files for the CD database.

After installing D and getting into C:\config.sys did the rebooting stop.  I deleted files from the 
command line (gosh Ian, do you remember the Heathkit 6800 trainer??) and that still took about 25 
minutes per sub-directory.....  and still pushed the CPU graph flat on the roof.

Today when I did all the deletion then CPU load rose to 100%  flat as and stayed there for 
nearly thrirty minites AFTER all the deletes were done, there was no other activity.  So why is the CPU 
straining?

Now back to the + in config.sys.. put it in - reboot, take it out OK...  JFS seems to be the problem when 
asked to map the entire drive activity out in memory and make comparisons for consistency.  I have 
finished the removal of all the files except the 1.35MB monster and will reboot at the end of this 
sentence.

Well, it just went through to booting everything including PM Manager.. the network is also back on line.

I can't explain it either, but with the monster file contents unfurled the machine would not boot with +E+F.  
Any better ideas from this description?




On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:47:21 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Greg
>
>>Its interesting to note we have slipped on one item in this thread...
>
>Not really, just didnt mention it :-)
>
>>how come the machine reboots just after the nic and well and truely before the PM (and not little 
johnny) 
>>is brought up?
>
>Its a combination of the + in your command line, and the PM will
>possibly be unstable on a fall over or reboot, as it records what
>files are being deleted, and these were not closed when the
>PC fell over. If you did it several times it may have jagged it and
>come up cleanly. Its more complecated than that but I'm losing
>steam, this new job I have at iPrimus is taking its toll today.
>
>Cheers
>Ian B Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>Windows: The CP/M of the future!

> 

>





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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

Hi Daryl

>I'd be blowed, now what is the best way to do this?
>Open up DOS box & copy the file, which will destroy the EAs.

Hadnt thought of that but then I dont have DOS loaded.
I use UniMaint but there are also other EA stripper programs
around, best to look on hobbes or os2site.

Transfering files via FTP also automatically strips EA's from
files.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/


4.  I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2 SIG 25th Feb 2003

Hello all!

A short note to say that the Melbourne Victoria (as distinct from Melbourne
Florida<g>) OS/2 SIG will be meeting next Tuesday Feb 25th in the usual
venue (map available at www./melbpc/) from 6:30pm

Topics of intense interest will include:- 

	News/Views: latest developments in the world of PC computing and
eCS-OS/2

	DTOC: a demonstration of the current release of Desktop on Call for
OS/2, using a local server and client - right before your very eyes

	OS/2 Usefuls: a collection of software, manuals etc for OS/2 which
has been donated to SIG members

Whilst I can't be there due to a double-booking, Bob and Ian will host the
evening in their inimitable style ;-) and I hope to catch up with the March
meeting



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Trevor Jacobs <trevor at melbpc dot org dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Accounting Software

Greetings Alan,

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:33:25 +1000, you wrote:

>To all those at the Melbourne OS/2 Sig who saw my demonstration of the
>accounting software, I am pleased to be able to let you know current
>progress.
<much cut>

I am a MelbPC member, but OS/2 SIG meetings are not convenient for me,
so I didn't see your demo.
Nonetheless, this seems of interest, so a couple of questions :

Is this a "business" app only or is it a realistic replacement for
(domestic)  Quicken ?    (Yes, I know one can use a full business
system for home accounts, but .......)

Potential for use as recorder of investment transactions, and in
particular share transactions ?

Is saved data accessible ?    (So that, for example, the shares
transactions data can reprocessed for other purposes)



Look forward to hearing from you, at a time which is convenient to
you.



tj

-- some quotes perceptive, some pedestrian, none mine :-)

	
	"Most conversations are simply monologues delivered in the presence 
of a witness." (Margaret Millar)
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

Hi Greg and Ed

The problem is in the WPS in relation to the number of files. And
deleting them through the WPS is asking for trouble :-)

This isnt a JFS limitation as far as I'm aware.

If you use PMMail, and have over 500 emails in one folder
and try to delete all of them, you will notice the same thing,
though you want lose the WPS, you might as well go and
watch TV for 20-30 mins, or longer.

As Ed suggested, use something from the command line, its
a lot faster. I use deltree, available on hobbes and os2site
in the util's section.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Windows NT: From the makers of Windows 3.0!
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2 SIG 25th Feb 2003

** Reply to note from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:57:49 +1100 (EDT)


> DTOC: a demonstration of the current release of Desktop on Call for 
> OS/2, using a local server and client - right before your very eyes

where is the home page for DTOC ?

Voytek Eymont

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Web page graphics

I'm having problems when I use Netscape composer to create web pages
with JPG pictures.

When the web page is loaded often graphic files are only loaded up to 97
98 or 99 percent and then stop loading, although the text at the bottom
of NS451 or Mozilla says it's still loading. A reload or shift/reload
usually cures the problem.

The problem only seems to happen on my web pages and with large or small
graphic files.

I'm using IBM HTTP Server (OS/2 port of Apache) as my web server.

Has anyone else experienced this problem and knows how to fix it ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  bob <bob at fots dot org dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:20 pm, you wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> I'd be blowed, now what is the best way to do this?
> Open up DOS box & copy the file, which will destroy the EAs.

Use eautil

-- 
Advertising is a valuable economic factor because it is the cheapest
way of selling goods, particularly if the goods are worthless.
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:51 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

Unfortunately none of the files have extended attributes.

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi Ed
>
> >I'm having problems when I use Netscape composer to create web pages
> >with JPG pictures.
>
> Remove the extended attributes from the jpg's.
>
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
> If you said what you thought, you'd be speechless.

>  


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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] free OS/2 stuff to good homes

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:53:52 +1100, Michael Block wrote:

>>> if someone wants to bring the syuff along to a SIG meeting, just ring
>>> me at home on 95273209 or email me.
>>
>> Since you mailed this to my sig-leader address I am copying it out to 
>> the list address.
>>
>> Anyone in Michael's direction (Langwarrin?) able to assist?
>
>StKilda East

Doh! [sound of head crash - face striking keyboard, that is!]

Forgot where those phone numbers belong. 
Read it like 9727... and confused you with Michael Barrow. 

Sorry!


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

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Hi Ed,

Yes, REXX support is on here.

Please send.  If this fixes the problem then we may be on something.

Mind you, I find JFS quite good to use.

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:22:26 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I guess you can confirm this if you boot to a command prompt and delete the possibly offending 
directory
>structure and see if the problem dissapears.
>
>I have a small rexx routine to delete directory structures if you want to save yourself some manual effort
>(assuming you have REXX support on your system).  Let me know if you want this and I'll send you it 
off-list.
>
>Ed.
>
>Gregory Hicks wrote:
>
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>> Brian, Ed,
>>
>> I have a theory on this....
>>
>> The problem began after downloading a CD database.  The file is 182MB tar.gz.  Ungzip you get a
>> 1.35GB tar file.
>>
>> untarring you get about a dozen sub-directories full of files on average 1k each..  that is a LOT of 
files...
>>
>> In OS/2 PM, accessing any of those sub-directories quickly freezes the PM (the clock stops and the
>> desktop is unresponsive), while the mouse is free to roam.
>>
>> I think we are seeing a limitation in JFS directory structure.  I did open an OS/2 window and try 
deleting
>> files at that level.  The operation was very slow and quickly takes up resources (as evidenced by the
>> climbing CPU graph).
>>
>> JFS did trap when I tried to reboot, and no other directory I have has so many files in it.
>>
>> Further, after trying to display just one of these directories, it took nearly 30 minutes with 512M RAM
>> (133MHz) and a 900MHz processor to display the list of files.  After closing the list, I tried to ask for 
a
>> delete and got a message box stating "OS/2 Workplace Error" "The task you requested was not
>> started.  Please allow other active tasks to complete before resuming the operation".  Just before
>> making this request, my CPU process was near 0% then jumped to 100%.
>>
>> So we must ask our selves (sorry Julius) Why is it so?
>>
>> If the JFS with +E+F is scanning the drive and mapping the entire drive to check the consistency, 
then I
>> am suspect that the JFS may in fact have a memory leak as the structure sizes approach limits of 
the
>> underlying programs integer/byte values.
>>
>> Brian has experienced the same reboot problem, and mine only started after the tar file was unfurled
>> into the JFS partition, then I believe this to be a fairly clear case.
>>
>> Brian, see if you can find a directory that behaves as I describe.
>>
>> Well, that's my theory, any better ideas out there?  Lets hear em!!! :)
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:32:01 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>> >The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:
>> >
>> >IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*
>> >
>> >The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full checkdisk on particular drives each
>> >time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's "chkdsk" (ie it checks the
>> >transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is redundant.
>> >
>> >
>> >Cheers/2
>> >
>> >Ed.
>> >
>> >Gregory Hicks wrote:
>> >
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>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
>> >>
>> >> with the (partial) command line set to:
>> >>
>> >> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
>> >>
>> >> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
>> >> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
>> >> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
>> >>
>> >> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
>> >> followed by the video BIOS message.....
>> >> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to rebooting...
>> >>
>> >> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
>> >> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
>> >> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
>> >>
>> >> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
>> >> resource or driver conflict happening.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone got any ideas?
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >>
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "peter" <peterp at tac dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] warp server auction

G'day all,

Not much notice, but an un-opened Warp Server packageis up for auction on ebay.
Expires midnight tonight, 11/02/2003.
If you're interested. Can't justify it to she who must be obeyed, myself.

The url is:
http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3400120318

Regards,
Peter Pigott

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

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Its interesting to note we have slipped on one item in this thread...

how come the machine reboots just after the nic and well and truely before the PM (and not little johnny) 
is brought up?

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:28:47 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Greg and Ed
>
>The problem is in the WPS in relation to the number of files. And
>deleting them through the WPS is asking for trouble :-)
>
>This isnt a JFS limitation as far as I'm aware.
>
>If you use PMMail, and have over 500 emails in one folder
>and try to delete all of them, you will notice the same thing,
>though you want lose the WPS, you might as well go and
>watch TV for 20-30 mins, or longer.
>
>As Ed suggested, use something from the command line, its
>a lot faster. I use deltree, available on hobbes and os2site
>in the util's section.
>
>Cheers
>Ian B Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>Windows NT: From the makers of Windows 3.0!

> 

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Accounting Software

Trevor


----- Original Message -----
>From: "Trevor Jacobs" <trevor at melbpc dot org dot au>
>To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [os2genau] Accounting Software


>I am a MelbPC member, but OS/2 SIG meetings are not convenient for me,
>so I didn't see your demo.
>Nonetheless, this seems of interest, so a couple of questions :

>Is this a "business" app only or is it a realistic replacement for
>(domestic)  Quicken ?    (Yes, I know one can use a full business
>system for home accounts, but .......)


It is a "business" app in that it is large enough to handle a large catering
company's complete record-keeping requirements (for payroll I used to cheat
a little - data entry through spreadsheets), but is a very small program
which I also use for my personal work, so would not be out of place on the
kitchen table.

>Potential for use as recorder of investment transactions, and in
>particular share transactions ?

Haven't gone so far yet - Portfolio Management is a different area.
Using sub-accounts and quantity fields, (both available) and a lot of
imagination, you probably could run a simple portfolio manager, but it has
not been designed with that in mind.

>Is saved data accessible ?    (So that, for example, the shares
>transactions data can reprocessed for other purposes)

Could be made available - not sure how to do the ODBC calls into a spread
sheet, but I can list the data in CSV format and get it into a spreadsheet
that way.



>Look forward to hearing from you, at a time which is convenient to
>you.



>tj


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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

The way to do it is to use EAUTIL with the /S (strip) switch to strip off the
attributes into another file (which then can be deleted).

e.g.

EAUTIL picture1.jpg p1.eas /S

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi Ian,
> I'd be blowed, now what is the best way to do this?
> Open up DOS box & copy the file, which will destroy the EAs.
>
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:08:55 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:
>
> >Hi Ed
> >
> >>I'm having problems when I use Netscape composer to create web pages
> >>with JPG pictures.
> >
> >Remove the extended attributes from the jpg's.
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
>

>  


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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ?

from Wayne Kircher

Had the same thing here so I gave up for a while.  It became fast
again about 4am.  Possibly heavy traffic on the Superhighway?

Cheers
Wayne

>Hi guys,

>My download times here on chariot are in the bytes, not Kbytes !
>The ping results to my isp are 110/10238/30130 with a 6% packet loss.
>I'm unable to even d/l their homepage to see if there's any news.

<snip>

>Tell me this is happening to other people today !?!
>Glenn.
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Accounting Software

To all those at the Melbourne OS/2 Sig who saw my demonstration of the
accounting software, I am pleased to be able to let you know current
progress.

Stand alone general ledger is now working as it should.  Will handle any
business whether set up as a company, trust or partnership.
Debtors and Creditors will work if you run a catering business.

Features include
native OS/2 PM program works equally well on eComStation
handles profit distributions for companies, trusts or partnerships at year
end processing and correctly allocates to the correct partner or Retained
Earnings account.
data entry handles processing for cheques, bank statement items, bank
deposits, petty cash and general journals.  Petty Cash doubles as a post
anything system and is particularly useful for credit cards and the like.
Bank deposit entries also print a bank deposit slip.
Correctly accounts for GST
During data entry, general ledger accounts can be accessed by looking up
their name
Handles and reconciles multiple bank accounts (currently artificially
limited to 5), and corrects posting errors if they do not agree with the
bank statement.  Reconciliation is by entering reference number and amount
off bank statement rather than trying to find an item in a list and see if
it agrees with what is on the bank statement.
Reports include full audit trails, general ledger detail reports and trial
balance for a period or range of accounts.
Quick lookup shows summary information of any account and profit by period
with comparatives.

Compared to MYOB it is amazingly fast.

Marketing information, in the form of notes and contact information attached
to customer files available, as is printing enelopes to direct mail
customers

Still to be done is
BAS reporting (need to write report format only)
Split sales invoices from the catering system to allow full debtors ledger
facilities integrated with general ledger and inventory
Split purchasing from catering system to allow full creditors ledger
integrated with general ledger and inventory
all payroll functions

Hope this will be of interest to the OS/2 eComStation Community

Alan Heiser


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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ?

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Hi Glen,

You may find that the net is slow during the day due to heavy lunch time
usage.  Do you experience this at other times of the day?

You might like to research TCPIP update as this can cause the symptoms
you describe.

greg

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:00:38 -0600, tsq at chariot dot net dot au wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>My download times here on chariot are in the bytes, not Kbytes !
>The ping results to my isp are 110/10238/30130 with a 6% packet loss.
>I'm unable to even d/l their homepage to see if there's any news.
>
>Full story 
>
>Upgraded to driver fixpak 2 ... finally
>everything's fine except net flow is very slow.
>
>Had a problem like this a couple of years ago and some replies
>suggested an mpts upgrade, ok,
>
>Upgraded mpts to 5.40 then 5.50 ( versions as reported by warpup )
>no change net still slow
>computer gets slow then trap000e
>long format bootdrive install backup leaving me at fp12 ddfp1 mpts 5.30
>net still slow, 12 minutes & it still hasn't d/l'd the chariot homepage !
>now I'm gettin' ..... a tad upset ;-)
>
>Tell me this is happening to other people today !?!
>Glenn.
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>tsq at chariot dot net dot au
>OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
>www.
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

> 

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

I guess you can confirm this if you boot to a command prompt and delete the possibly offending directory
structure and see if the problem dissapears.

I have a small rexx routine to delete directory structures if you want to save yourself some manual effort
(assuming you have REXX support on your system).  Let me know if you want this and I'll send you it off-list.

Ed.

Gregory Hicks wrote:

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>
> Brian, Ed,
>
> I have a theory on this....
>
> The problem began after downloading a CD database.  The file is 182MB tar.gz.  Ungzip you get a
> 1.35GB tar file.
>
> untarring you get about a dozen sub-directories full of files on average 1k each..  that is a LOT of files...
>
> In OS/2 PM, accessing any of those sub-directories quickly freezes the PM (the clock stops and the
> desktop is unresponsive), while the mouse is free to roam.
>
> I think we are seeing a limitation in JFS directory structure.  I did open an OS/2 window and try deleting
> files at that level.  The operation was very slow and quickly takes up resources (as evidenced by the
> climbing CPU graph).
>
> JFS did trap when I tried to reboot, and no other directory I have has so many files in it.
>
> Further, after trying to display just one of these directories, it took nearly 30 minutes with 512M RAM
> (133MHz) and a 900MHz processor to display the list of files.  After closing the list, I tried to ask for a
> delete and got a message box stating "OS/2 Workplace Error" "The task you requested was not
> started.  Please allow other active tasks to complete before resuming the operation".  Just before
> making this request, my CPU process was near 0% then jumped to 100%.
>
> So we must ask our selves (sorry Julius) Why is it so?
>
> If the JFS with +E+F is scanning the drive and mapping the entire drive to check the consistency, then I
> am suspect that the JFS may in fact have a memory leak as the structure sizes approach limits of the
> underlying programs integer/byte values.
>
> Brian has experienced the same reboot problem, and mine only started after the tar file was unfurled
> into the JFS partition, then I believe this to be a fairly clear case.
>
> Brian, see if you can find a directory that behaves as I describe.
>
> Well, that's my theory, any better ideas out there?  Lets hear em!!! :)
>
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:32:01 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:
> >
> >IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*
> >
> >The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full checkdisk on particular drives each
> >time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's "chkdsk" (ie it checks the
> >transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is redundant.
> >
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >
> >Ed.
> >
> >Gregory Hicks wrote:
> >
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
> >>
> >> with the (partial) command line set to:
> >>
> >> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
> >>
> >> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
> >> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
> >> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
> >>
> >> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
> >> followed by the video BIOS message.....
> >> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to rebooting...
> >>
> >> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
> >> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
> >> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
> >>
> >> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
> >> resource or driver conflict happening.
> >>
> >> Anyone got any ideas?
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Fw: Accounting Software

John,

Hope you don't mind my copying your reply to the list
You ask such good questions which I have addressed below

Regards

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
To: "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Accounting Software


> > Do you issue calls through ODBC driver/s or via direct API to the Sybase
> > SQL engine?

 Direct API Calls through embedded SQL


> > I am wondering how easy it would be to port to another DBMS like OS/2s
DB2
> > UDB Personal (free for download) or the PostgreSQL engine (open source).


 I have recently downloaded Postgres to look at the possibility of using
that.  The problem will be  extensions to SQL made by Sybase not echoed in
Postgres

 The problem I see with DB2 (apart from the fact that I find its ISQL calls
 really slow) is that the  OS/2 version is no longer developed, and we would
be left in a similar
 position to the Sysbase position.


> If there was something Aust/NZ/Sth Africa/UK flavoured that could go out
> to  the OS/2-eCS community to stand side by side with Spitfire's In
Charge!
> (US  focused), it would be great evidence of life for many OS/2ers.

 As I said in the post - stacks up really (really, really) well against
MYOB.
 I can reboot the machine, start the program and be examining a general
 ledger account quicker than a running MYOB can display general ledger
 detail.  ( I have an NT machine running MYOB right beside my OS/2 machine,
 and can actually do that.)
 The Aus etc flavour is in date handling, book-keeping style.  Dates are
 easily switched to any style, but not sure how the yanks keep their books -
 bit like HIH did I think, but it is definitely Oz today tomorrow the world.


> > I suggest a rewrite to incorporate tax codes would be useful for future
> > expansion, and to cater for rate changes.

 Do you REALLY beleive our benovlent dictator, Little Johnie, will make that
 necessary.  Come on John, have faith!  Actually it's a simple screen which
will appear in the program shortly, when  I get round to writing the BAS
report.  As you say, I only need to  tabulate
 Input Tax and Output Tax for each of the various Codes that go in  the BAS.


 > Split Name and address table out so it can be independent of accounting
> but > accessible (if not already done).

 Already exists as a marketing tool

> > >all payroll functions
> > This one is called the headache pile!

Ouch!

 Been thinking about this and it is really quite simple.  I have a
 spreadsheet now which accurately calculates group tax for the full range of
 incomes, so a screen allowing input of hours, job numbers etc
 coupled with a couple of award rules should give a good payroll.  I already
 have the tables for reporting payroll (which I currently fill from a
 spreadsheet).


> > Great work!

 Thanks - bigger & better to come

> > Best regards
> > John Angelico
> > OS/2 SIG
> > talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au



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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:51 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <deadmail> Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:45:37 +1100 (EDT)


> >I'd be blowed, now what is the best way to do this? 
> >Open up DOS box & copy the file, which will destroy the EAs. 
>    
> Hadnt thought of that but then I dont have DOS loaded. 
> I use UniMaint but there are also other EA stripper programs 
> around, best to look on hobbes or os2site.

help eautil
 
 Allows you to split (save) extended attributes from a file and then rejoin the extended attributes to the file. 

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 system, or to the file system program that manages the file or directory. 

 EAUTIL allows you to split extended attributes from a data file or program file and place them in a hold file as 
 data.  After you do this, you can use the file with other applications or file systems that do not recognize or 
 are not able to process extended attributes. By saving extended attributes to a hold file, you prevent them 
 from being erased or lost. The command also allows you to join extended attributes contained in the hold file to 
 the data file. 

 Return Codes: 

       0 - Normal completion 
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Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Wiping HD's

** Reply to note from "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au> Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:04:09 +1100 (EDT)


> Anyone know how to completely wipe a hd clean with no possability of recovery; to  
> have a like new hd as it were.

hmmm, low level formatting used to do so, not sure it does with all these
'new' IDE drives, I did a BIOS 'low level' format only to find the dat was
still on the hard drive after.

I sposse format /l followed by HPFSNUll/WipeFree:

both Graham and Gammatech have utilities to zero the data free space:

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º FAT-Ext                 ³                                                    º
º FAT-Info                ³ Usage: HPFSNull {Switches} Drive Spec(s)           º
º FAT-Null                ³                                                    º
º FAT-UD                  ³ Switches                                           º
º FAT-View                ³ -g<n> Government security rules for wiping.        º
º FromUNIX                ³ -r<n> Repeat wipe count; default of 1.             º
º Grep                    ³ -v<n> wipe Value; default of 0.                    º
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º HPFS-Bad                ³ HPFS disks. This is done on a sector by sector     º
º HPFS-Ext                ³ basis to ensure that all deleted data is wiped     º
º HPFS-UD                 ³ so that there is no chance of recovery.            º
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Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the Internet slow ...

from Wayne Kircher

Hi Greg

>"Super highway" - defined as a wide band of something more traffic can jam up in

<snip>

& takes twice as long to clear up.  So I'm not the only pessimist around
here.

Cheers
Wayne
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] free OS/2 stuff to good homes

Hi Michael, John and ALL,

I know where Michaels place is and will phone him to arrange a pickup
and delivery to the os2 SIG.

I will phone later today (sunday) to confirm convenient time.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
16 February 2003   8:50


On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:48:04 +1100 (EDT), John Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:00:25 +1100, Michael Block wrote:
> 
> >Hi
> 
> Hi Michael
> 
> >having made my transition from my beloved OS/2 running PCs to Mac OSX, 
> 
> Good luck and well done - hope you're not having to use too much MS-stuff
> there.
> 
> >I have lots of OS/2 stuff that I'm happy to donate free to SIG members: 
> >software, manuals etc - all someone needs to do is to come and pick it 
> >up!
> 
> >I do miss the WPS, but otherwise OS X is pretty good!
> 
> So I hear.
> 
> >if someone wants to bring the syuff along to a SIG meeting, just ring 
> >me at home on 95273209 or email me.
> 
> Since you mailed this to my sig-leader address I am copying it out to the
> list address. 
> 
> Anyone in Michael's direction (Langwarrin?) able to assist?
> 
> >regards
> >Michael Block
> >
> >caca et declina medicus
> 
> Could this mean "catch a falling doctor" or "here's a sleeping medico"?


   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  tsq at chariot dot net dot au
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ?

Hi guys,

My download times here on chariot are in the bytes, not Kbytes !
The ping results to my isp are 110/10238/30130 with a 6% packet loss.
I'm unable to even d/l their homepage to see if there's any news.

Full story 

Upgraded to driver fixpak 2 ... finally
everything's fine except net flow is very slow.

Had a problem like this a couple of years ago and some replies
suggested an mpts upgrade, ok,

Upgraded mpts to 5.40 then 5.50 ( versions as reported by warpup )
no change net still slow
computer gets slow then trap000e
long format bootdrive install backup leaving me at fp12 ddfp1 mpts 5.30
net still slow, 12 minutes & it still hasn't d/l'd the chariot homepage !
now I'm gettin' ..... a tad upset ;-)

Tell me this is happening to other people today !?!
Glenn.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
tsq at chariot dot net dot au
OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
www.
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.

with the (partial) command line set to:

IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2

the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
goto loading the NIC driver and.......

NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
followed by the video BIOS message..... 
and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to rebooting...

Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
but we are none the wiser to the cause.

Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
resource or driver conflict happening.

Anyone got any ideas?

regards

Greg

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: [os2genau] Wiping HD's

Hi all,

Anyone know how to completely wipe a hd clean with no possability of recovery; to 
have a like new hd as it were.

Cheers
G

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Wiping HD's

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:04:09 +1100 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote:

Er, my utilities... :-)

>Hi all,
>
>Anyone know how to completely wipe a hd clean with no possability of recovery; to 
>have a like new hd as it were.
>
>Cheers
>G
>

> 

>

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9307-0611  PO Box 212   FidoNet:     3:632/344
FAX:    +61-3-9307-0633  Brunswick    Internet:    chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
BBS:    +61-3-9307-0644  VIC 3056     CompuServe:  100250,1645
300-28,800  N,8,1 ANSI   Australia    Web Page:
                                      http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au



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**= Email   32 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

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Brian, Ed,

I have a theory on this....

The problem began after downloading a CD database.  The file is 182MB tar.gz.  Ungzip you get a 
1.35GB tar file.

untarring you get about a dozen sub-directories full of files on average 1k each..  that is a LOT of files...

In OS/2 PM, accessing any of those sub-directories quickly freezes the PM (the clock stops and the 
desktop is unresponsive), while the mouse is free to roam.

I think we are seeing a limitation in JFS directory structure.  I did open an OS/2 window and try deleting 
files at that level.  The operation was very slow and quickly takes up resources (as evidenced by the 
climbing CPU graph).

JFS did trap when I tried to reboot, and no other directory I have has so many files in it.

Further, after trying to display just one of these directories, it took nearly 30 minutes with 512M RAM 
(133MHz) and a 900MHz processor to display the list of files.  After closing the list, I tried to ask for a 
delete and got a message box stating "OS/2 Workplace Error" "The task you requested was not 
started.  Please allow other active tasks to complete before resuming the operation".  Just before 
making this request, my CPU process was near 0% then jumped to 100%.

So we must ask our selves (sorry Julius) Why is it so?

If the JFS with +E+F is scanning the drive and mapping the entire drive to check the consistency, then I 
am suspect that the JFS may in fact have a memory leak as the structure sizes approach limits of the 
underlying programs integer/byte values.

Brian has experienced the same reboot problem, and mine only started after the tar file was unfurled 
into the JFS partition, then I believe this to be a fairly clear case.

Brian, see if you can find a directory that behaves as I describe.

Well, that's my theory, any better ideas out there?  Lets hear em!!! :)

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:32:01 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:
>
>IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*
>
>The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full checkdisk on particular drives each
>time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's "chkdsk" (ie it checks the
>transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is redundant.
>
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>Gregory Hicks wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
>>
>> with the (partial) command line set to:
>>
>> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
>>
>> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
>> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
>> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
>>
>> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
>> followed by the video BIOS message.....
>> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to rebooting...
>>
>> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
>> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
>> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
>>
>> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
>> resource or driver conflict happening.
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Greg
>>
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> 

>


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**= Email   33 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  John Wildgoose <johnwild at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

Um group,

I do not know of this problem but I seriously doubt it is due to JFS
inherently, after where JFS comes from they have many huge complicated
directory structures with thousands of files just as I have at work in
Solaris Unix. The prob may be with the port but I suspect some other
culprit. The memory leak idea seems to fit the facts but who is the
culprit.

jaw

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Gregory Hicks wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Yes, REXX support is on here.
> 
> Please send.  If this fixes the problem then we may be on something.
> 
> Mind you, I find JFS quite good to use.
> 
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:22:26 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >I guess you can confirm this if you boot to a command prompt and delete the possibly offending 
> directory
> >structure and see if the problem dissapears.
> >
> >I have a small rexx routine to delete directory structures if you want to save yourself some manual effort
> >(assuming you have REXX support on your system).  Let me know if you want this and I'll send you it 
> off-list.
> >
> >Ed.
> >
> >Gregory Hicks wrote:
> >
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Brian, Ed,
> >>
> >> I have a theory on this....
> >>
> >> The problem began after downloading a CD database.  The file is 182MB tar.gz.  Ungzip you get a
> >> 1.35GB tar file.
> >>
> >> untarring you get about a dozen sub-directories full of files on average 1k each..  that is a LOT of 
> files...
> >>
> >> In OS/2 PM, accessing any of those sub-directories quickly freezes the PM (the clock stops and the
> >> desktop is unresponsive), while the mouse is free to roam.
> >>
> >> I think we are seeing a limitation in JFS directory structure.  I did open an OS/2 window and try 
> deleting
> >> files at that level.  The operation was very slow and quickly takes up resources (as evidenced by the
> >> climbing CPU graph).
> >>
> >> JFS did trap when I tried to reboot, and no other directory I have has so many files in it.
> >>
> >> Further, after trying to display just one of these directories, it took nearly 30 minutes with 512M RAM
> >> (133MHz) and a 900MHz processor to display the list of files.  After closing the list, I tried to ask for 
> a
> >> delete and got a message box stating "OS/2 Workplace Error" "The task you requested was not
> >> started.  Please allow other active tasks to complete before resuming the operation".  Just before
> >> making this request, my CPU process was near 0% then jumped to 100%.
> >>
> >> So we must ask our selves (sorry Julius) Why is it so?
> >>
> >> If the JFS with +E+F is scanning the drive and mapping the entire drive to check the consistency, 
> then I
> >> am suspect that the JFS may in fact have a memory leak as the structure sizes approach limits of 
> the
> >> underlying programs integer/byte values.
> >>
> >> Brian has experienced the same reboot problem, and mine only started after the tar file was unfurled
> >> into the JFS partition, then I believe this to be a fairly clear case.
> >>
> >> Brian, see if you can find a directory that behaves as I describe.
> >>
> >> Well, that's my theory, any better ideas out there?  Lets hear em!!! :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:32:01 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> >>
> >> >The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:
> >> >
> >> >IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*
> >> >
> >> >The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full checkdisk on particular drives each
> >> >time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's "chkdsk" (ie it checks the
> >> >transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is redundant.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Cheers/2
> >> >
> >> >Ed.
> >> >
> >> >Gregory Hicks wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> >> Hash: SHA1
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
> >> >>
> >> >> with the (partial) command line set to:
> >> >>
> >> >> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
> >> >>
> >> >> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
> >> >> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
> >> >> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
> >> >>
> >> >> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
> >> >> followed by the video BIOS message.....
> >> >> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to rebooting...
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
> >> >> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
> >> >> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
> >> >> resource or driver conflict happening.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone got any ideas?
> >> >>
> >> >> regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Greg
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem


Ed,
Hi.
I have found the plus is needed on large volumes.
I encountered a situation where the boot check replayed the
log and pronounced the file system clean.
Later when accessing files deep into a subdirectory tree
I had strange errors.
I added the plus and re-booted.
This time it did a full check and found errors that it was
able to fix.
I have left the plus in ever since.
I have encountered the same situation Greg has on a
machine here but it is inconsistent. Two weeks ago
I shut down all the servers and re-booted them with no
problems.
Last week I needed to shut them down again and when re-booting
the BDC did the constant re-boot thing.
It sees to fail when starting the WPS and does not leave anything
in popuplog.os2. As Greg said it goes right back to the video BIOS
message when it re-boots.
I left it go and it repeated the cycle three times before I intervened
by booting off drive D and removing the plus.

Has anybody else seen this behaviour?

-----------------------------------------
Brian Butler
System Administrator
brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au


                                                                                                                                    
                      Ed Durrant                                                                                                    
                      <edurrant at bigpond        To:       os2genau at os2 dot org dot au                                                        
                       dot net dot au>                 cc:                                                                                  
                                               Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem                                         
                      12/02/2003 06:02                                                                                              
                      Please respond to                                                                                             
                      os2genau                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                    




The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:

IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*

The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full
checkdisk on particular drives each
time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's
"chkdsk" (ie it checks the
transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is
redundant.


Cheers/2

Ed.

Gregory Hicks wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
>
> with the (partial) command line set to:
>
> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
>
> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
>
> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
> followed by the video BIOS message.....
> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to
rebooting...
>
> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
>
> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
> resource or driver conflict happening.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> regards
>
> Greg
>
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] free OS/2 stuff to good homes

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:00:25 +1100, Michael Block wrote:

>Hi

Hi Michael

>having made my transition from my beloved OS/2 running PCs to Mac OSX, 

Good luck and well done - hope you're not having to use too much MS-stuff
there.

>I have lots of OS/2 stuff that I'm happy to donate free to SIG members: 
>software, manuals etc - all someone needs to do is to come and pick it 
>up!

>I do miss the WPS, but otherwise OS X is pretty good!

So I hear.

>if someone wants to bring the syuff along to a SIG meeting, just ring 
>me at home on 95273209 or email me.

Since you mailed this to my sig-leader address I am copying it out to the
list address. 

Anyone in Michael's direction (Langwarrin?) able to assist?

>regards
>Michael Block
>
>caca et declina medicus

Could this mean "catch a falling doctor" or "here's a sleeping medico"?


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ?

Hiya Glenn,

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:00:38 -0600, tsq at chariot dot net dot au wrote:
>My download times here on chariot are in the bytes, not Kbytes !
>The ping results to my isp are 110/10238/30130 with a 6% packet loss.
>I'm unable to even d/l their homepage to see if there's any news.

Must be a Chariot specific problem - I'm getting 52 k/s on Internode ADSL at the 
moment.

Chariot website loading fine for me....

>Upgraded mpts to 5.40 then 5.50 ( versions as reported by warpup )
>no change net still slow
>computer gets slow then trap000e

Install stack update if trap 000e was on the second ppp connection

>Tell me this is happening to other people today !?!
Sorry!
Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Is the internet slow for anyone else today ?

I didn't see any performance problems today or yesterday. It could of course be a
problem at your ISP - if the ping times you give are to the ISPs Internet gateway,
then the problem is most likely at Chariot or at your local end. Try running a Trace
route (tracerte) to a website and you should be able to see at which point the delays
occur.

Cheers/2

Ed.

tsq at chariot dot net dot au wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> My download times here on chariot are in the bytes, not Kbytes !
> The ping results to my isp are 110/10238/30130 with a 6% packet loss.
> I'm unable to even d/l their homepage to see if there's any news.
>
> Full story 
>
> Upgraded to driver fixpak 2 ... finally
> everything's fine except net flow is very slow.
>
> Had a problem like this a couple of years ago and some replies
> suggested an mpts upgrade, ok,
>
> Upgraded mpts to 5.40 then 5.50 ( versions as reported by warpup )
> no change net still slow
> computer gets slow then trap000e
> long format bootdrive install backup leaving me at fp12 ddfp1 mpts 5.30
> net still slow, 12 minutes & it still hasn't d/l'd the chariot homepage !
> now I'm gettin' ..... a tad upset ;-)
>
> Tell me this is happening to other people today !?!
> Glenn.
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> tsq at chariot dot net dot au
> OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
> www.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>

>  


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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Reg Headlines Thursday February 13

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:57:42 +0000, update at list.theregister.co.uk wrote:

Cross-posted to a number of OS/2 lists

>Software
>
>    Gates holds forth on the 'pervasive Linux' threat
>    And he's all over the shop, as usual...
>        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/29308.html

Well worth reading to understand some of the Gates delusions and paranoia
about OS/2. 

Sad about the belated analysis that these were what drove the
anti-competitive behaviour of his company in relation to OS/2. It would
have been a darn-sight more useful about 5 years ago! 

Uh, don't forget to chase down the links - the transcript indicates that he
suffers from further delusions about the work done on computers in the
early parts of *this* decade and their (pioneering?) effort to produce
quality code!
 
It's things like this that make you want to vote the death penalty back in.
 ;-)

Pass this on to your Linux friends so they can watch out for the same
anti-competitive tactics.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem

Hi Greg

>Its interesting to note we have slipped on one item in this thread...

Not really, just didnt mention it :-)

>how come the machine reboots just after the nic and well and truely before the PM (and not little johnny) 
>is brought up?

Its a combination of the + in your command line, and the PM will
possibly be unstable on a fall over or reboot, as it records what
files are being deleted, and these were not closed when the
PC fell over. If you did it several times it may have jagged it and
come up cleanly. Its more complecated than that but I'm losing
steam, this new job I have at iPrimus is taking its toll today.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Windows: The CP/M of the future!
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Wiping HD's

Pillar Soft have a module in the Pillar Soft suite which does the job
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:04 PM
Subject: [os2genau] Wiping HD's


> Hi all,
>
> Anyone know how to completely wipe a hd clean with no possability of
recovery; to
> have a like new hd as it were.
>
> Cheers
> G
>
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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:55 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Web page graphics

Hi Ian,
I'd be blowed, now what is the best way to do this?
Open up DOS box & copy the file, which will destroy the EAs.


On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:08:55 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Ed
>
>>I'm having problems when I use Netscape composer to create web pages
>>with JPG pictures.
>
>Remove the extended attributes from the jpg's.
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
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<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:46:52 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
From:  brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au
Subject:  Test-List: Re: [os2genau] Interesting Problem


Ed,
Hi.
I have found the plus is needed on large volumes.
I encountered a situation where the boot check replayed the
log and pronounced the file system clean.
Later when accessing files deep into a subdirectory tree
I had strange errors.
I added the plus and re-booted.
This time it did a full check and found errors that it was
able to fix.
I have left the plus in ever since.
I have encountered the same situation Greg has on a
machine here but it is inconsistent. Two weeks ago
I shut down all the servers and re-booted them with no
problems.
Last week I needed to shut them down again and when re-booting
the BDC did the constant re-boot thing.
It sees to fail when starting the WPS and does not leave anything
in popuplog.os2. As Greg said it goes right back to the video BIOS
message when it re-boots.
I left it go and it repeated the cycle three times before I intervened
by booting off drive D and removing the plus.

Has anybody else seen this behaviour?
-----------------------------------------
Brian Butler
System Administrator
brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au


                                                                                                                                    
                      Ed Durrant                                                                                                    
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                      12/02/2003 06:02                                                                                              
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The default setting for the JFS IFS is as follows:

IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /AUTOCHECK:*

The +driveletter is really for use on the HPFS IFS to force a full
checkdisk on particular drives each
time the system is booted.  JFS works differently - it always runs it's
"chkdsk" (ie it checks the
transaction logs to see if a chkdsk is needed), so the + command is
redundant.


Cheers/2

Ed.

Gregory Hicks wrote:

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> Hi,
>
> I am running JFS and encountered an odd operation.
>
> with the (partial) command line set to:
>
> IFS=.. JFS...  /CACHE:32768 ...+E+F /F:2
>
> the machine ran normally for about two weeks then tonight without
> warning the machine booted up, went through the entire check and
> goto loading the NIC driver and.......
>
> NOTHING.... black screen (no flashing cursor),
> followed by the video BIOS message.....
> and you guessed it... right through to loading the NIC.. ZAP back to
rebooting...
>
> Brian Butler (thanks Brian) has seen this before and suggested
> taking the '+' out of the JFS driver line in CONFIG.SYS.  It worked
> but we are none the wiser to the cause.
>
> Brian is using a much older version of OS/2 and this looks like a
> resource or driver conflict happening.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> regards
>
> Greg
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