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From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:02:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] IRC clients

Hi,
I need an IRC client. Peoples experiences & suggestions please.

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] ANZ bank drops OS/2
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:16:51 +1000 

Sad story:
http://www.microsoft dot com/AUSTRALIA/business/casestudy/ANZexchange.asp

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:53:41 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ANZ bank drops OS/2

Last I heard, they were having lots of trouble "migrating" (read downgrading)
.......

Cheers/2
Ed.

Trevor Clarke wrote:

> Sad story:
> http://www.microsoft dot com/AUSTRALIA/business/casestudy/ANZexchange.asp
>
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:01:11 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] CD to CD copying

I believe Daryl and others were asking about CD Duplicating under
CDRecord/2.

The later versions of CDR Wizard include this feature.
Check out Rocco Foti's site or contact him directly at
roccofotiattiscalinet.it
but be sure to download the file using WGET or using Warpzilla or Opera
as downloading
this WarpIN archive using just netscape, results in an error during
installation saying the
the archive is corrupt.

Cheers/2 Ed

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From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:44:17 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] CD to CD copying

Unless things have changed, I found the user-interface of CDR Wizard to
be very ugly & confusing. It simply didn't look like a finished
product.

Audio-CD-Creator was much better.
However I'll have another look, perhaps what Rocco Foti has done can be
implemented in Audio-Cd-Creator.

On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:01:11 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I believe Daryl and others were asking about CD Duplicating under
>CDRecord/2.
>
>The later versions of CDR Wizard include this feature.
>Check out Rocco Foti's site or contact him directly at
>roccofotiattiscalinet.it
>but be sure to download the file using WGET or using Warpzilla or Opera
>as downloading
>this WarpIN archive using just netscape, results in an error during
>installation saying the
>the archive is corrupt.
>
>Cheers/2 Ed
>
>
>


Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:50:12 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Need new OS/2 machine. Best bang/$ ?

Short answer Bob, there are no gaurentees - especially if you are building it
yourself. No reflection on your personal skills, but the biggest problem I have
found is getting components to work together reliably !

I guess, the best guide is keep it as industry standard as possible. Like it or
not, that means an Intel CPU and motherboard, not an AMD or Clone one.

Soundblaster sound card (not onboard and none of these fancy sound cards).

Supported by SciTech Display doctor, Video card - perhaps an S3 model ?

For HD - I'd actually go for the 7200 RPM drives rather than the old and now
obsolete 5400 RPM ones. Pick a good name IBM, Fujitsu etc. and you should
be OK. I'd avoid the 10,000 and 15.000 RPM drives at the moment.

Network card (if you are using your system on a LAN) from one of the larger
names, who supply OS/2 drivers still.

Then again, you could get lucky, go out and buy the cheapest of everything,
put it together and it all works, but I suspect that's not so likely.

If like me, you like fixing problems and don't care that by the time you've
got the PC working, it'd be cheaper to buy a ready built machine (they're
still getting cheaper month by month), then go the second route but be
prepared to throw some of the hardware out along the way.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Bob wrote:

> Well it looks like I'm in for a new OS/2 box :(. I've been suffering a
> increasingly common series of failures on my main workstation recently
> and now it is failing to proceed (well at least in part, it'll boot to a
> CLI but the WPS is dead dead dead :( strong suspicions of HDD+RAM
> problems).

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:00:46 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] CD to CD copying

It HAS changed - looks like a commercial product now. Be VERY careful
to remove any traces of previous versions though (I've had problems with this)
Best is to install to a system that hasn't had the earlier version on at all.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Unless things have changed, I found the user-interface of CDR Wizard to
> be very ugly & confusing. It simply didn't look like a finished
> product.

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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Need new OS/2 machine. Best bang/$ ?

G'day Bob,

Most boards will support OS/2, even if they don't say so in the manual, but DO check 
the manuals and get one that does.  It's the best way to make sure.  Point in case:  the 
last board I bought was an old Gygabyte GA2000+ with the Intel 440 BX chipset.  
Worked very well with OS/2 (not so well with Windows) It's been replace with an older 
Aopen board with Intel 440 BX chipset as well.  I have had no problems with the Intel 
chips, and haven't had to install board drivers.  My OS's are Win98, OS/2 v4 fp9, Linux 
RH 6.2.

With graphics, you can practically grab any card you like, thanks to Scitech Display 
Doctor, BUT.... and it's a big but..... SDD and Colorworks do NOT get along.  If you are 
using Colorworks (like me) then you need a card with native OS/2 drivers.  I'm looking at 
a Nvidia TNT2 AGP 32meg for my machine as the 3dfx I have needs SDD.  So I'm 
back to my P75 for my 2D graphics creatitions.

I can't give advice about AMD or VIA boards; I've never used them, but I hope this 
helps just a little bit. :-)

Gavin

On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:22:00 +0800, Bob wrote:

>Well it looks like I'm in for a new OS/2 box :(. I've been suffering a
>increasingly common series of failures on my main workstation recently
>and now it is failing to proceed (well at least in part, it'll boot to a
>CLI but the WPS is dead dead dead :( strong suspicions of HDD+RAM
>problems). [1]
>
>I have not been keeping up with the hardware side o things for a while
>so I hope I can pick you guy's brains to get me up to speed quickly :) 
>
>I will be building this box myself so any suggestions for reasonably
>priced solidly supported hardware would be appreciated my priorities are
>$! :), os/2/ecs[2] support, linux support. I was thinking along the
>lines of an AMD cpu. Are there any traps to be aware of there (I seem to
>remember something ...) ? 
>
>Graphics card... I'm not even sure what's out there at the moment. I do
>a fair amount of 2d graphics work so something that does a decent job
>would be good. ( $ dependent of course :). Are any of the M/boards with
>onboard graphic worth a look? (I would tend to doubt it but you never
>know your luck:).
> 
>sound... I'll probably recycle the sb16 I have. I don't use sound much
>at all. I detest computers beeping and tweeting at me :).
>
>HDD... Anything to avoid? I understand some of the 7200 rpm drives are a
>bit dire.
>
>I'll be recycling the peripherals so all I need is a case and some ram
>... I think I can figure that out :). 
>
>
>[1] It hasn't done too badly. In it's current incarnation it's mostly 7
>years old (well the important bits anyway... some are older:), with ~ 16
>- 18hrs uptime a day its seen ~46000 hrs of use.
>
>[2] well at least this will give me the excuse to install the ecs I own
>:).
>
>BTW- Voyteck- yes, this has happened since we email'd last... in fact it
>died while I was reading your reply :(.
>
>Thanks in advance :).
>
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:41:33 +0800
From: Bob <bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Need new OS/2 machine. Best bang/$ ?

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> G'day Bob,
> 
> Most boards will support OS/2, even if they don't say so in the manual, but DO check
> the manuals and get one that does.  It's the best way to make sure.  Point in case:  the
> last board I bought was an old Gygabyte GA2000+ with the Intel 440 BX chipset.
> Worked very well with OS/2 (not so well with Windows) It's been replace with an older
> Aopen board with Intel 440 BX chipset as well.  I have had no problems with the Intel
> chips, and haven't had to install board drivers.  My OS's are Win98, OS/2 v4 fp9, Linux
> RH 6.2.

Thanks. I seem to recall some discussion some time ago regarding AMD and
high memory >64Mb. ??? I will trawl dejanews and see what pops up.

I will be checking each piece of H/W for compatibility before purchase.
I only want to have to do this once :).

 
> With graphics, you can practically grab any card you like, thanks to Scitech Display
> Doctor, BUT.... and it's a big but..... SDD and Colorworks do NOT get along.  If you are
> using Colorworks (like me) then you need a card with native OS/2 drivers.  I'm looking at
> a Nvidia TNT2 AGP 32meg for my machine as the 3dfx I have needs SDD.  So I'm
> back to my P75 for my 2D graphics creatitions.

I've been using a matrox g200/8Mb with good effect with their native
drivers so I haven't had anything to do with the sdd drivers (especially
since they say they have a problem with kensington mice... which I use).
I would recycle the graphics card except that I suspect that it too is
part of the problem ( I have been getting a lot of lockups in the WPS
recently that seem to be purely a graphics problem)

 
> I can't give advice about AMD or VIA boards; I've never used them, but I hope this
> helps just a little bit. :-)
> 
> Gavin


Thanks for the reply :). More grist to the mill.

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:49:14 +0800
From: Bob <bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Need new OS/2 machine. Best bang/$ ?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> Short answer Bob, there are no gaurentees - especially if you are building it
> yourself. No reflection on your personal skills, but the biggest problem I have
> found is getting components to work together reliably !

Understood. I'm hoping to avoid the problems by picking brains :).
 
> I guess, the best guide is keep it as industry standard as possible. Like it or
> not, that means an Intel CPU and motherboard, not an AMD or Clone one.
> 
> Soundblaster sound card (not onboard and none of these fancy sound cards).
> 
> Supported by SciTech Display doctor, Video card - perhaps an S3 model ?

Want to to avoid sdd if I can as I understand they have a problem with
kensington mice, which I use.
 
> For HD - I'd actually go for the 7200 RPM drives rather than the old and now
> obsolete 5400 RPM ones. Pick a good name IBM, Fujitsu etc. and you should
> be OK. I'd avoid the 10,000 and 15.000 RPM drives at the moment.

Ok, thanks for that.
 
> Network card (if you are using your system on a LAN) from one of the larger
> names, who supply OS/2 drivers still.

I have a box full of intel pro 10/100 PCI cards I can use.
 
> Then again, you could get lucky, go out and buy the cheapest of everything,
> put it together and it all works, but I suspect that's not so likely.

No no! not cheapest! :). Best bang/$ ! I'm not after a bleeding edge
machine so the stuff at the best price point is what I'm after.
 
> If like me, you like fixing problems and don't care that by the time you've
> got the PC working, it'd be cheaper to buy a ready built machine (they're
> still getting cheaper month by month), then go the second route but be
> prepared to throw some of the hardware out along the way.

I have put together a fair few boxes in days gone by... just nothing
recently. So I'm confident that I can do the job (hey, I've even got an
anti-stat workstation. That's often a lot more than the fly by night
clone box builders have :).

 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

cheers^2 :)

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:32:43 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Need new OS/2 machine. Best bang/$ ?

Bob schreef:

> Want to to avoid sdd if I can as I understand they have a problem with
> kensington mice, which I use.
>

Has been solved with beta41 (or mayby even beta 39 already). Be aware also sdd is
about the only now and will be the only option in the near future.

I suggest you'll download beta43 and have a try. You can try it out for free for 21
days.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:02:04 +0800
From: Bob <bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Need new OS/2 machine. Best bang/$ ?

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> Bob schreef:
> 
> > Want to to avoid sdd if I can as I understand they have a problem with
> > kensington mice, which I use.
> >
> 
> Has been solved with beta41 (or mayby even beta 39 already). Be aware also sdd is
> about the only now and will be the only option in the near future.
> 
> I suggest you'll download beta43 and have a try. You can try it out for free for 21
> days.
> 
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
> 
>    Kris


Good oh :). I was hoping that would happen. 

I'll give them a go (by all accounts they do a decent driver... just
wasn't kensington compatable)

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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:38:12 -0400
From: Chris_neeson <Chris_Neesonatcompuserve dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] IRC clients

Gee Daryl, when you typed IRC client,
I hoped you were a lawyer looking for a
union member with a complaint
- I'd volunteer!

( we could probably write some interesting software
  to emulate the Industrial Relations environment,
  but some of MacroStuff's 'solutions' already emulate
  it failry well! )

Regards
Chris
