Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 37

Date:- 21 April 2001

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:02:33 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Reminder - Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting

Hi Daryl

>Sorry, shouldn't that be 10% GST?
>ROFL

You took almost as long as me to get it :-)


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:06:49 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Zampa - anyone use it?

Actually IBM (as an ISP - now owned by AT&T) do use firewalls plus
there's
a conversion to SNA and back before attachment to the actual Internet 
backbone in the US. This stops most things I'd say ! Perhaps that's why
in
tests IBM seems to be one of the slower ISPs ?

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed
> 
> >Any reputable ISP also has a Firewall, so a second firewall on
> >your own PC may be overkill.
> 
> Hate to tell you this Ed, no ISP uses a firewall :-)
> 
> It slows throughput down, adds another layer of routing,
> and stops legitimate use of services. They may do as I do,
> use a firewall for internal services, or for customers that
> have asked for it, I also charge for the service.
> 
> ISP's do however use firewalls on there server farms
> where they can say that all the user does need is
> FTP, HTTP, and HTTPS, eliminating excess network
> usage by filtering everything else out.
> 
> You will also notice that some of my hosted sites dont
> even allow ICMP, which means no PING, no TRACRTE
> etc, also stops denial of service attacks.
> 
> ie, http://www. & http://www.childrensplaygroup dot com
> 
> http://www.os2site dot com & http://www.ecs-site dot com are the
> only internal sites that allow ICMP, as some of the programming
> for links, and automated filepile updates requires utilities
> that need ICMP
> 
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
 
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:10:12 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Zampa - anyone use it?

I think the redbook you're refering to is SG24-5201-version (i have
version 00)
A comprehensive guide to Virtual Private Networks, Volume 1: IBM
Firewall,
Server and Client solutions.

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael
> 
> The URL I had for the AIX Firewall nolonger works, I should
> have it on CDROM here with the AIX doc's, I'f I find it, I'll put
> it on the website for you.

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:12:04 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Voice/eCSCast List

Going to the url you gave for the ecs newslist also listed several
other (yahoogroups) OS/2 lists that I had not heard about - worth
checking out online and then subscribe if you're interested.

ED.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> The exchanges between Chris Graham and others on the ISP
> list about Chris's news list has convinced me, I wont even setup
> another news list, I think we should stick to either the voice list,
> or the eCS list.

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:14:00 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] ubject: [Fwd: [eCS] Re: eCS Forums vs Yahoo! Groups]


Sorry for the repeated message, but an effort to avoid wasting
people's time - the following Ecs new item is important !

Ed.

From: Jack Troughton <jakeatjakesplace.dhs dot org>
Subject: Re: [eCS] Re: eCS Forums vs Yahoo! Groups

Alex Taylor wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:42:09 -0500, "Craig D. Miller" wrote:
> 
> >I'm the Webmaster at the eCS website at www.ecomstation dot com and Bob and I
> have been talking more and more about ending the Yahoo! Groups and moving
> everything over to
> >the eCS Forums. There are a lot of benefits for this including losing the
> dependency on Yahoo! and also centralizing new and old members of eCS to one
> location.
> >
> >So please look at the eCS Forums and nit-pick tell me what you like and
> dislike. I would also like to know what additional features you would like
> to see.
> 
> Well, many people have been saying they don't want to be forced into pure
> web-based messaging.  I agree.
> 
> But I will add something...
> 
> A lot of people say they want to be able to receive it as email.  I would
> say that it is equally important that it be accessible in the form of a
> newsgroup as well.
> 
> To most people who are familiar with them, newsgroups are by far the best
> way to hold open discussions.  I don't like mailing lists for this purpose.
> 
> (I'm rapidly getting overrun by the eCS mailing list as it is... and I
> receive it in digest form!  I shudder to think what it must be like for
> people who get every separate message...)
> 
> The great things about newsgroups are:
> 
>  - It's "pull" as opposed to "push".  That is, you can go on and read/browse
>    the messages and threads that YOU want, and no others.  Since probably
>    less than a quarter of the messages on this mailing list, for instance,
>    are of any significant interest to me, this is a tremendous advantage.
> 
>  - With a decent client, newsgroups have very clear and visible thread
>    layout.
> 
>  - You can do it online OR offline, your choice (again, assuming you have a
>    decent client).
> 
>  - They're extremely easy to use.  They're also much faster and more
>    efficient to work through than either email or web fora.
> 
> Obviously, tastes differ.  Some people do prefer email, as I prefer
> newsgroups (although I do think newsgroups are technically superior for this
> purpose :) ), and some will probably even prefer a web forum interface.
> 
> They should have that choice.  From a technical standpoint, it should
> certainly be possible to set up a single article database which can be
> accessed either through the web, or as a newsgroup, or through an email
> list.  And everyone can choose which interface they will use.
> 
> (Probably the simplest way to set it up would be as a newsgroup.  Then get
> some simple software to pull out the articles via either web CGI or SMTP
> email, depending on the medium chosen.)

The problem becomes a little more evil when one wants to post
though... say, someone posts via news client. Someone using an email
client replies. The software has to be able to correlate the
message-id used by the email with the message-id used by the news
server so that the references header for the news article can do it
up properly. It's not nearly as straightforward as people think it
is...

I think the right way is to implement a fully featured DB that can
hold a threaded messages based discussion, and then put it out in
whichever format is appropriate to the interface in question. So,
each entry in the database would have to hold the various ID's that
are appropriate for each of the interfaces in question, along with a
universal ID for the message that is used to determine which is the
right message-ids to put in the references field etc.

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:15:12 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [Fwd: [eCS] Re: eCS Forums vs Yahoo! Groups]

Hi Ed

>Sorry for the repeated message, but an effort to avoid wasting
>people's time - the following Ecs new item is important !

No Panic, the eCS email is to continue, caused quite a stir that
announcement.

So eComStation will now have the newsgroups, the Web BBS,
and the email group at Yahoo.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:49:53 +1100
Subject: [os2genau] Link for Redbooks

With reference to the Zampa thread here is the link to the IBM Redbook
site.

    www.redbooks.ibm dot com

Just put firewall as a search or the Redbook number Ed gave.

Mark

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:21:23 +1000
From: Don McKenzie <dimckatattglobal dot net>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Old Warps

Hi Ed,

You are correct Os/2 (Microsoft) did normally come on 5.25" diskettes.

I still have a copy of OS/2 1.3 on 5.25" diskettes.

I also have a 5.25" diskette drive for a PS/2 which will read High DEnsity 5.25" diskettes
Aas well.


Regards

            Don


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From: tsqatchariot dot net dot au
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:30:30 +1000
Subject: [os2genau] Hardware: Touch Pad/Glide Pad

Hi All,

Due to some pain I'm experiencing in all the diodes down my
right hand side, www.douglasadams dot com for those who don't know, I am
trying in vain to track down a mouse device called either a touch pad or
glide pad. A peripheral device similar to what is on some Laptops instead
of a trackball.

I have seen one at Hardly Normals, but their returns policy doesn't
inspire confidence if the device doesn't work as advertised under OS/2 and
following my luck with OS/2 lately.....

Also no other computer store in this town has even heard of such a thing !
So much for them being up with the latest in technology.

There's too many twits in the computer retail industry !
but I digress..

Anyone know of anything in Australia ?

Glenn.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
tsqatchariot dot net dot au
OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
www.
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From: "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:02:40 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Hardware: Touch Pad/Glide Pad

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:30:30 +1000, tsqatchariot dot net dot au wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Due to some pain I'm experiencing in all the diodes down my
>right hand side, www.douglasadams dot com for those who don't know, I am
>trying in vain to track down a mouse device called either a touch pad or
>glide pad. A peripheral device similar to what is on some Laptops instead
>of a trackball.
>
>I have seen one at Hardly Normals, but their returns policy doesn't
>inspire confidence if the device doesn't work as advertised under OS/2 and
>following my luck with OS/2 lately.....

I'm using one at the moment in my laptop.  It's seen as a PS/2 mouse
and works perfectly (well the buttons get stuck sometimes, but that's
age).  And I'm pretty sure that if the external one has a PS/2
connector, it will work as a standard two button mouse.  You might not
get all the extra function that are available via the Windows drivers. 
Win95 also recognises mine as a PS/2 mouse without any extra drivers. 
I did install some Win95 drivers at some stage, but they seemed to make
it work worse!

>
>Also no other computer store in this town has even heard of such a thing !
>So much for them being up with the latest in technology.
>
>There's too many twits in the computer retail industry !
>but I digress..
>
>Anyone know of anything in Australia ?

They don't seem to be as popular as a couple of years ago.  Though I
noticed one in the local Domayne store (sort of like Harvey Norman if
you don't have them) today.  Sorry, didn't look at it just noticed it
in passing.

--
David Forrester
davidforatterrigal dot net dot au
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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From: "Simon Davis" <listdupatos2 dot org dot au>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:43:24 +1300 (NDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] [os2genau_digest] No. 36

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT), Digest wrote:

\>Here's today's NewsCast.
\
\I think most people know about the voice & eCS lists, wouldnt it be
\easier for people to subscribe to these services, than to repeat the
\posts on this list :-)
\
\http://www.ecomstation dot com/
\http://www.os2voice dot org/mailinglists.html

I agree totally - if you want it subscribe directly, I do so I don't want to
see them again. 
The daily digests on this group are long enough already,
additionally given the unselective quoting and the long signatures.

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:28:07 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] [os2genau_digest] No. 36

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:43:24 +1300 (NDT), Simon Davis wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT), Digest wrote:
>
>\>Here's today's NewsCast.
>\
>\I think most people know about the voice & eCS lists, wouldnt it be
>\easier for people to subscribe to these services, than to repeat the
>\posts on this list :-)
>\
>\http://www.ecomstation dot com/
>\http://www.os2voice dot org/mailinglists.html
>
>I agree totally - if you want it subscribe directly, I do so I don't want to
>see them again. 
>The daily digests on this group are long enough already,
>additionally given the unselective quoting and the long signatures.

Hi all.

This is a typical general response to my impromptu survey and the particular responses (answering each question) basically boil down to 
the same comment.

Therefore, I will stop trying to copy the Voicenews to this list and instead will give you all the subscribe URL which is:

[Begin]
To subscribe to this list, send the following message to majormajoratos2voice dot org

     subscribe news
     end

If you have an announcement you would like posted to the VOICE 
News list, please send it to submitatos2voice dot org. Please include a 
valid reply address and a real contact name.  If you wish to comment
on a post, please reply to feedbackatos2voice dot org

[End]

PS: Don't bother with a signature to your subscribe message - you will just get an automated response that all the lines of your signature 
block are unrecognised as commands to the majormajor list manager.



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:36:08 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Hardware: Touch Pad/Glide Pad

I haven't been able to find a touchpad supplier but I did find an
interesting
article on the virtues and not of touchpads.

  It's at    http://www-3.ibm dot com/ibm/easy/eou_ext.nsf/Publish/808

I'll

tsqatchariot dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Due to some pain I'm experiencing in all the diodes down my
> right hand side, www.douglasadams dot com for those who don't know, I am
> trying in vain to track down a mouse device called either a touch pad or
> glide pad. A peripheral device similar to what is on some Laptops instead
> of a trackball.
> 
> I have seen one at Hardly Normals, but their returns policy doesn't
> inspire confidence if the device doesn't work as advertised under OS/2 and
> following my luck with OS/2 lately.....
> 
> Also no other computer store in this town has even heard of such a thing !
> So much for them being up with the latest in technology.
> 
> There's too many twits in the computer retail industry !
> but I digress..
> 
> Anyone know of anything in Australia ?
> 
> Glenn.
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> tsqatchariot dot net dot au
> OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
> www.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
 
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