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1================================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:57:00 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

After shouting the praises of the Epson printer I seem to have similar 
problems to those described earlier by someone else on this list.

For no apparent reason, both error lights on the printer have started 
flashing and (of course) it can't print now. I've all the usual
resetting
tactics all to no avail.

So it starts to look like the Epson 680 range may have a basic design 
flaw. I Harvey Normans are open today, I'll be taking it back for a
replacement.

I'm posting this message here in case someone else is considering
buying this model of printer as when it works, it works well under
os/2. At the moment I would advise anyone considering buying to
wait a while - perhaps a mark II model will come out soon ?

Cheers/2

Ed Durrant.

2=============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:30:02 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

This isn't a catchy virus is it. A guy at work has just come to me seeking 
advice. He has an Epson 440 which over the week end developed exactly the 
symptoms described for these 680's. May be the weather? Is it cold and rainy, 
very humid. Cold printer, warming humid room, condensation.

steve

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:57:00 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>After shouting the praises of the Epson printer I seem to have similar 
>problems to those described earlier by someone else on this list.
>
>For no apparent reason, both error lights on the printer have started 
>flashing and (of course) it can't print now. I've all the usual
>resetting
>tactics all to no avail.
>
>So it starts to look like the Epson 680 range may have a basic design 
>flaw. I Harvey Normans are open today, I'll be taking it back for a
>replacement.
>
>I'm posting this message here in case someone else is considering
>buying this model of printer as when it works, it works well under
>os/2. At the moment I would advise anyone considering buying to
>wait a while - perhaps a mark II model will come out soon ?
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed Durrant.

_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

3=============================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:39:44 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Whoops !  - Egg on face time !!  Although the printer manual doesn't
indicate that this combination of flashing lights mean it - the printer
had simply run out of black ink ! I downloaded the latest epson 
monitoring utility (only for Windoze unfortunately) - ran it and it
told me the sorry truth - no black ink !

This printer seems to use ink faster than my previous HP Deskjet, I'll
have to check that it defaults to draft print mode in the future. 
Unfortunately the printer can't just run on the colour cartridge, so
it's off to the shops to see what a replacement is going to cost me !

So - apart from this little "hic-cup" I can continue to recommend 
the Epson Stylus Color 680 under OS/2.

Cheers/2
Ed.


Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> After shouting the praises of the Epson printer I seem to have similar
> problems to those described earlier by someone else on this list.
> 
> For no apparent reason, both error lights on the printer have started
> flashing and (of course) it can't print now. I've all the usual
> resetting
> tactics all to no avail.
> 
> So it starts to look like the Epson 680 range may have a basic design
> flaw. I Harvey Normans are open today, I'll be taking it back for a
> replacement.
> 
> I'm posting this message here in case someone else is considering
> buying this model of printer as when it works, it works well under
> os/2. At the moment I would advise anyone considering buying to
> wait a while - perhaps a mark II model will come out soon ?
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed Durrant.

4=============================================

From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:38:54 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] grabbing with CDRecord

I'm having trouble grabbing audio tracks with CDRecord/2.
The problem is that it actually doesn't! This is a copy of
the grab.log file. I imagine that return code ) means that
nothing was grabbed because no tracks appear in the folder
window like they should do. I can do 1:1 audio CD copies
though and data copies OK. Any hints from the enlightened?
regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

5=============================================

From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:54:15 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] grabbing with CDRecord

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:38:54 +1000 (EST), Michael Block
wrote:

oops, here is the grab log!

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o N: T 12
"C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD\Cddb12.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 1
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb01.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 1 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb01.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 2
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb02.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 2 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb02.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 3
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb03.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 3 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb03.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 4
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb04.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 4 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb04.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 5
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb05.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 5 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb05.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 6
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb06.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 6 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb06.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 7
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb07.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 7 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb07.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 8
C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb08.wav
99

------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o O: T 8 "C:\Desktop\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb08.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483378
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
-o O: T 9
C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD\Cddb09.wav
99


regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

6=============================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:16:29 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] grabbing with CDRecord

I didn't think CD/Record was a CD track ripper - I thought
all it did was write CDs ?

There are several CD-Track rippers that work under OS/2.

By the way there was no log file that you refered to, to look
at. Did you send it as an attachment ? If so the listserve may
have dropped it. If it's not too big you perhaps should cut and
paste it into your email text ?

Also I presume you got an error code 0 (zero) - your note 
says error code ) (i.e. shift zero on the keybaord).

Can you please confirm which program is actually doing the
ripping and paste the log ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

Michael Block wrote:
> 
> I'm having trouble grabbing audio tracks with CDRecord/2.
> The problem is that it actually doesn't! This is a copy of
> the grab.log file. I imagine that return code ) means that
> nothing was grabbed because no tracks appear in the folder
> window like they should do. I can do 1:1 audio CD copies
> though and data copies OK. Any hints from the enlightened?
> regards
> 
> Michael Block
> ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus
> 
> http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
> The www home of perinatal psychiatry
 
7=============================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:22:39 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] grabbing with CDRecord

Hi Michael,
  One change I would do imediately is to move the create-audio-cd 
folder off the desktop and onto a normal drive. The problem is every
time you start or refresh the desktop all objects on the desktop are 
red - and that will now include any tracks that you want to write as
these could get up to a total of 650 or 700 MB, your desktop is going
to load AWEFULLY slow and can get corrupted.

You should drag and drop the "create Audio CD" folder onto a drive
in the drives folder, in this way it will store the tracks on a normal 
drive, not in the desktop.

I'm not saying that this is what is topping the process from working,
but iy could be, so I'd do this first.

Cheers/2
Ed.



Michael Block wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:38:54 +1000 (EST), Michael Block
> wrote:
> 
> oops, here is the grab log!
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o N: T 12
> "C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD\Cddb12.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 1
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb01.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 1 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb01.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 2
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb02.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 2 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb02.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 3
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb03.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 3 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb03.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 4
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb04.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 4 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb04.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 5
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb05.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 5 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb05.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 6
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb06.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 6 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb06.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 7
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb07.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 7 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb07.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 8
> C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb08.wav
> 99
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o O: T 8 "C:\Desktop\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb08.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483378
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD
> -o O: T 9
> C:\Desktop\Create Audio-CD\Cddb09.wav
> 99
> 
> regards
> 
> Michael Block
> ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus
> 
> http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
> The www home of perinatal psychiatry
 
8=============================================

From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:46:25 +1000

Hi everyone,

I got my replacement Epson Stylus Color 680 on Saturday. I've got it
working on OS/2 and Win95.
In OS/2 it prints from all applications except there's a problem in Lotus
Smartsuite 123. As I mentioned before if I try to print a range of cells
which have formatting as well as text and numbers it will print only the
formatting e.g. background colours and borders. After a lot of
experimenting I found that if I then click print a second time it will
print everything the second time. At least I've found that I can print what
I want but I am wasting a sheet of paper and time as well. I can't see any
setting that prevents this.
 I think most of my problems were due to not setting the printer to
Text/Graphics and leaving it on Photo which seems to be the default. No
contact with the printer occurs if I leave it on Photo. I'll have to see if
there is if I try to print a bitmap. I thought I had changed it to text but
it seems to go back to Photo after going out of an application.
I was told by a chap at the computer shop that the inkwells on Epson
printers are smaller than those on HP's hence the cheaper price but need to
change them more frequently.
By the way there's no problem printing a range of cells with formatting in
StarOffice.
I think I would have preferred a HP printer but there's nothing in their
range that's in the market that has OS/2 drivers. 
The Canon BJC3000 is the only other Printer selling now that has drivers
for OS/2 but it has separate inkwells for all three colours.

Alan Duval


9=============================================

From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:19:40 +1000

Hi everyone,

I got my replacement Epson Stylus Color 680 on Saturday. I've got it
working on OS/2 and Win95.
In OS/2 it prints from all applications except there's a problem in Lotus
Smartsuite 123. As I mentioned before if I try to print a range of cells
which have formatting as well as text and numbers it will print only the
formatting e.g. background colours and borders. After a lot of
experimenting I found that if I then click print a second time it will
print everything the second time. At least I've found that I can print what
I want but I am wasting a sheet of paper and time as well. I can't see any
setting that prevents this.
 I think most of my problems were due to not setting the printer to
Text/Graphics and leaving it on Photo which seems to be the default. No
contact with the printer occurs if I leave it on Photo. I'll have to see if
there is if I try to print a bitmap. I thought I had changed it to text but
it seems to go back to Photo after going out of an application.
I was told by a chap at the computer shop that the inkwells on Epson
printers are smaller than those on HP's hence the cheaper price but need to
change them more frequently.
By the way there's no problem printing a range of cells with formatting in
StarOffice.
I think I would have preferred a HP printer but there's nothing in their
range that's in the market that has OS/2 drivers. 
The Canon BJC3000 is the only other Printer selling now that has drivers
for OS/2 but it has separate inkwells for all three colours.

Alan Duval

10=============================================

From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] eComStation
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:25:01 +1000

Hi everyone,

After reading the Voice article from the Southern California OS/2 group I
don't think i'll be installing eComStation this Saturday. I'll come along
to the InstallFest and observe and collect my copy but there seems to be
too many bugs and problems with this release and I was very disappointed to
read Kim Cheungs suggestion that we could migrate to Windows instead as IBM
were not very cooperative and Lotus wasn't developing Smartsuite for OS/2
any further and that it ran better under Windows anyhow.
I think i'll just stick with my present setup which is stable and has all
that I need.
The problem that's going to get us all eventually is hardware
compatibility. Eventually we're going to need new hard drives, printers,
scanners etc and if they continue to be developed for Windows only and IBM
loses interest in providing drivers we will be forced to migrate to Windows
or Linux.
I put Linux on a spare machine with a 133CPU but wasn't too impressed. It
was rather slow loading and the applications were also slow loading. Maybe
it works better on a machine with higher higher CPU but when I had OS/2 on
this computer it seemed to work much faster as does WIN95. 
Why should we have to buy these 1G + CPUs when we can't type any faster
anyway.
I have no desire to play the stupid games that are available.

Cheers

Alan Duval

11=============================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:42:12 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Hi Alan,
 My Epson is now working again as well. As I couldn't get a replacement
cartridge easily, I decided to try a Calidad refill (which i had a lot
of
success with on my HP Printers) - unfortunately although I managed to
refill the cartridge, the printer then refused to accept it, saying it
was
the wrong model. I tried various things but at the end of the day I had 
to go and buy a "real" Epson cartridge, what do you mean Epson are
Cheaper ? This one cost $54.96 - my HP Black cartridges were around 
the $49 mark I think, but since I always used to refill them, they just
cost me $9.90 each time I needed a new one.

You said HP don't have OS/2 drivers ?? True but OS/2 has IBM supported
drivers for HP printers - in the same way that the Epson driver is an
IBM 
written one. Perhaps the hi-res printers don't have drivers yet ? My
DJ640C
runs fine under OS/2.

On the Smartsuite printing issues - which version of smartsuite are you
using - 1.6 ??  Some earlier versions (1.0 and 1.1) had printing
problems
with some printers.

Cheers/2

Ed.
 

Alan Duval wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I got my replacement Epson Stylus Color 680 on Saturday. I've got it
> working on OS/2 and Win95.
> In OS/2 it prints from all applications except there's a problem in Lotus
> Smartsuite 123. As I mentioned before if I try to print a range of cells
> which have formatting as well as text and numbers it will print only the
> formatting e.g. background colours and borders. After a lot of
> experimenting I found that if I then click print a second time it will
> print everything the second time. At least I've found that I can print what
> I want but I am wasting a sheet of paper and time as well. I can't see any
> setting that prevents this.
>  I think most of my problems were due to not setting the printer to
> Text/Graphics and leaving it on Photo which seems to be the default. No
> contact with the printer occurs if I leave it on Photo. I'll have to see if
> there is if I try to print a bitmap. I thought I had changed it to text but
> it seems to go back to Photo after going out of an application.
> I was told by a chap at the computer shop that the inkwells on Epson
> printers are smaller than those on HP's hence the cheaper price but need to
> change them more frequently.
> By the way there's no problem printing a range of cells with formatting in
> StarOffice.
> I think I would have preferred a HP printer but there's nothing in their
> range that's in the market that has OS/2 drivers.
> The Canon BJC3000 is the only other Printer selling now that has drivers
> for OS/2 but it has separate inkwells for all three colours.
> 
> Alan Duval
 
12=============================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:56:51 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

I agree with your comments Alan.

It seems to me that the demo at the southern calif groups metting was
what you'd
expect from a beta version of a product, not the release code ! Still
perhaps v 1.1
will be better - after all Microsoft at version 2000 and still haven't
got it right !

I prefer to use Star Office rather than Lotus Smartsuite, it has less
compatibility
problems and I simply prefer it's appearance.

As for hardware support and applications under OS/2, I was just thinking
that this
is actually getting BETTER not worse. I now have a Canon Scanner
scanning, an
Epson printing at photographic quality and my Ricoh CD-R burning CDs
faster than
I ever though would be possible. On Multimedia, the warpMedia product is
bringing
DVD's Divx support along with MPEG nd various formats to OS/2. The guys
in Russia
are turning out new utilities and applications like there's no
tommorrow. So all in
all I think we've probably got more hardware supported and applictions
available
than ever before on OS/2. A lot of this is through internet bsed
consolidtion of
efforts of programmers and "porters" (no I don't mean the suitcase
carrying kind).
Since software can be ported from Linux to OS/2 (examples - CDRecord and
SANE)
this continues to open up even more possibilities of development for
OS/2 "real
believers" .

Dead Operating System ??  I don't think so !!

Cheers/2

   Ed.

P.S. Linux believers are very proud of the fact that "their" OS doesn't
need powerful hardware - so it was interesting to haer your comments.

Alan Duval wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> After reading the Voice article from the Southern California OS/2 group I
> don't think i'll be installing eComStation this Saturday. 
Kim Cheungs suggestion that we could migrate to Windows as Lotus wasn't
developing Smartsuite for OS/2 any further and that it ran better under 
Windows anyhow.

> The problem that's going to get us all eventually is hardware
> compatibility. Eventually we're going to need new hard drives, printers,
> scanners etc and if they continue to be developed for Windows only and IBM
> loses interest in providing drivers we will be forced to migrate to Windows
> or Linux.

> I put Linux on a spare machine with a 133CPU but wasn't too impressed. It
> was rather slow loading and the applications were also slow loading.

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:21:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Hi Ed and Alan

This "SCOUG" article is very inaccurate, and has generated a lot
of heat on the eCS list, Kim, and others that were at that Demo have
basically said its like the guy was at some other demo but Kim knows
the guy, and seems confused about why he has done this.

There was also talk (completely ridiculous), that Kim had someone
under the table swapping leads over to make it look like eCS was
working, and that it was fast, those of you who use usenet will
know who started this......

There is another article at SCOUG that is the opposite of this one,
The article is also full of downright inaccurate information, ie,
the GA CD boots fine off an all SCSI, or even a IDE/SCSI combination,
but I'm sure there will be hardware out there that will still cause
problems.

I'll look up the other URL's a bit later.

Also Tim Martin (TM) has been stirring the pot on usenet, what a
wierd bloke, seems rather ok and sensible one minute, then goes
right off the planet with the most ridiculous assertions....

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:52:55 +1000

Hi Ed,



> success with on my HP Printers) - unfortunately although I managed to
> refill the cartridge, the printer then refused to accept it, saying it
> was
> the wrong model. I tried various things but at the end of the day I had 
> to go and buy a "real" Epson cartridge, 

The book says that the inkwells have a chip on the side which monitors the
amount of ink in the cartridge and that if you refill them it will show an
error message. It says not to refill the cartridge as it won't work. 

what do you mean Epson are
> Cheaper ? This one cost $54.96 - my HP Black cartridges were around 
> the $49 mark I think, but since I always used to refill them, they just
> cost me $9.90 each time I needed a new one.

That's what I was told but I haven't bought a replacement yet.
> 
> You said HP don't have OS/2 drivers ?? True but OS/2 has IBM supported
> drivers for HP printers - in the same way that the Epson driver is an
> IBM 
> written one. Perhaps the hi-res printers don't have drivers yet ? My
> DJ640C
> runs fine under OS/2.
> 

Just try to buy  a HP printer and get a driver for it. I think the  640C is
available but the model I saw uses just one cartridge with the colours and
black has to be made by combining the colours so it slows the printer down.
The other models available don't have drivers for OS/2 on the IBM site.

> On the Smartsuite printing issues - which version of smartsuite are you
> using - 1.6 ??  Some earlier versions (1.0 and 1.1) had printing
> problems
> with some printers.

I'm using version 1.5


Alan

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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:05:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] grabbing with CDRecord

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:22:39 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Hi Michael,
>  One change I would do imediately is to move the create-audio-cd 
>folder off the desktop and onto a normal drive. The problem is every
>time you start or refresh the desktop all objects on the desktop are 
>red - and that will now include any tracks that you want to write as
>these could get up to a total of 650 or 700 MB, your desktop is going
>to load AWEFULLY slow and can get corrupted.

I don't know why CDRecord does this by default. Here is my
log with the folders moved to my F partition:

Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
with the following parameters: -o N: T 4 "F:\Create
Audio-CD\Cddb04.wav"
Return code is: 0
 D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
following parameters: 

D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
-2147483525
D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
F:\Create Audio-CD
-o N: T 5
F:\Create Audio-CD\Cddb05.wav
99


regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:39:22 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Hi Alan,
It sounds like you use the computer like I do:- its a tool to do a job.
My whole business network runs on OS/2, & it works, & works well.
I've got:

Office suite:
Smartsuite 1.6

Fax Server:
Faxworks ProLAN

Internet:
InJoy Firewall
Netscape Navigator
ICQ

Scanning:
PMSane/2

Drawing:
CorelDraw 5.0G1, in WIN-OS/2

Financial:
Quicken 6.5 in WIN-OS/2

Image Editing:
GBM

PDF creation:
PMPDF

Anything that is Windoze specific, (e.g Word 8.0, AKA Word 2000), I just
email to my brother & he converts it for me.

OS/2 *can't* do everything:- try doing Video editing on it, but it does
95% of everything I need, so I can use other systems, to do the last 5%.

I would seriously challenge anyone claiming that my productivity would
increase by changing to an all Windoze environment, just so I can
supposedly run all my applications on one integrated platform. My
experience has been that Windoze is such a slug & has so many security
holes, even though I wouldn't have to email my brother for the
occasional file conversion, I'd be worse-off in the long run.

Also, the cost in hardware & software upgrading just wouldn't warrant
the change:-
I own & continue to use everyday a 133MHz laptop, 133MHz desktop &
100MHz server.
They work, I owe nothing on them, & they continue to make me money.

I've never had down-time due to viruses, nor use a Virus-scanner
anymore, nor waste time with them.
My laptop OS was installed in May 1999:- its still going.

You try getting USB camera drivers for Windoze 2000 Professional!!!

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
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     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
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               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:19:46 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ct: Re: [sane-os2] Sane v1.05 compiled for OS/2

Mentore,
Yes it does - however if you have a scanner supported by one of the backends I 
mentioned, let me know, and I'll see if I can integrate the necessary code changes to 
make it work.  I don't want to go through and change all the currently not-working 
backends if there's no demand for them when the code isn't final yet.

Regards,

Paul.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:34:07 +0000, Mentore Siesto wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Paul Smedley wrote:
>
>PS >Please note from Franz's webpage that the following backends won't
>PS >work due to them using the fork() (ie threading) command.  
>PS >Further source changes will be required for these backends to
>PS >work: agfafocus as6e avision coolscan hp m3096g microtek2 mustek
>PS >nec pie plustek qcam sharp snapscan sp15c tamarack umax
>
>Does this apply also to the earlier snapshots of 1.0.5?
>
>-- 
>Mentore Siesto
>Team OS/2 Italia (http://www.teamos2.it)
>Home page:
>http://www.geocities dot com/Tokyo/Temple/8529/index.html
>
>
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>
>List owner: sane-os2-ownerategroups dot com
> 
>
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>
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:36:34 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Ian Manners schreef:

> wierd bloke, seems rather ok and sensible one minute, then goes
> right off the planet with the most ridiculous assertions....
>

When he forgot to take his medication. :=)

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:54:06 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Alan Duval schreef:

>
> Just try to buy  a HP printer and get a driver for it. I think the  640C is
> available but the model I saw uses just one cartridge with the colours and
> black has to be made by combining the colours so it slows the printer down.
> The other models available don't have drivers for OS/2 on the IBM site.

Do allow me to remind to the standard procedure:

Download the latest omni.exe file and unpack it in a temporary directory. Then, open
the file omni.lst and look what printers are listed there.

You'll see then the HP 970C(xi) is listed there:


> HP DeskJet 970C: HP DeskJet 970C (omni.drv)
> HP DeskJet 1100C: HP DeskJet 1100C (omni.drv)
> HP DeskJet 1100Cse: HP DeskJet 1100Cse (omni.drv)
> HP DeskJet 1100Cxi: HP DeskJet 1100Cxi (omni.drv)
> HP DeskJet 1120C: HP DeskJet 1120C (omni.drv)
> HP DeskJet 1120Cse: HP DeskJet 1120Cse (omni.drv)
>

And, although not mentioned, the HP 990 C is supported by the same driver. Probably the
950 C too. (if the latter can print to Dos, it's OK for OS/2)

Anyway, as it stands now the HP 970 C(xi) is by far the best deal in respect to
price/quality.

But don't forget to install the latest print01.sys:

24-05-01  0:39         42.976      0 a---  PRINT01.EXE

as the latter supports PCI parallel port cards and has a new switch

BASEDEV=print01.sys /MPL

 /MPL            Directs the driver to use modified polling for printing.
                This will help lower CPU utilization and enable better performance
                tasks while the printer is being accessed.


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:19:13 +1000

Hi Khris,

The only HP models readily available here are the
640C
840C
930C
Only the 640C is listed at the IBM driver site.
Models above 930C are over the $400 mark. Too dear for SOHO.

> 
> Do allow me to remind to the standard procedure:
> 
> Download the latest omni.exe file and unpack it in a temporary directory.
Then, open
> the file omni.lst and look what printers are listed there.
> 
> You'll see then the HP 970C(xi) is listed there:
> 
> 
> > HP DeskJet 970C: HP DeskJet 970C (omni.drv)
> > HP DeskJet 1100C: HP DeskJet 1100C (omni.drv)
> > HP DeskJet 1100Cse: HP DeskJet 1100Cse (omni.drv)
> > HP DeskJet 1100Cxi: HP DeskJet 1100Cxi (omni.drv)
> > HP DeskJet 1120C: HP DeskJet 1120C (omni.drv)
> > HP DeskJet 1120Cse: HP DeskJet 1120Cse (omni.drv)
> >
> 
> And, although not mentioned, the HP 990 C is supported by the same
driver. Probably the
> 950 C too. (if the latter can print to Dos, it's OK for OS/2)
> 
> Anyway, as it stands now the HP 970 C(xi) is by far the best deal in
respect to
> price/quality.
> 
> But don't forget to install the latest print01.sys:
> 
> 24-05-01  0:39         42.976      0 a---  PRINT01.EXE
> 
> as the latter supports PCI parallel port cards and has a new switch
> 
> BASEDEV=print01.sys /MPL
> 
>  /MPL            Directs the driver to use modified polling for printing.
>                 This will help lower CPU utilization and enable better
performance
>                 tasks while the printer is being accessed.
> 
> 
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
> 
>    Kris
 
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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:26:45 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Daryl
My feelings exactly, big calculator.
I would switch from smartsuite to staroffice if I had a conversion utility.
Looking forward to openoffice, developments look impressive.
Reliability and yeild is important. All work, no mucking about.

Linux seems slow I think because it doesn't seem to boost the foreground app.
Networking seems very fast, loading seems slow but then its not trying to fool 
you the app is usefull before its loaded.

steve

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:39:22 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>It sounds like you use the computer like I do:- its a tool to do a job.
>My whole business network runs on OS/2, & it works, & works well.
>I've got:
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:36:52 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <vh_gdnatinternode.on dot net>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Unfortunately the printer can't just run on the colour cartridge, so
> it's off to the shops to see what a replacement is going to cost me !

Hi Ed,

Always pays to check basic stuff! Try refilling your cartridge, if possible. Usually
fiddly, sometimes messy, but a lot cheaper and unless you are going to have spare
cartridges hanging around for the time when they most often run out (read - when the
shops are shut), a lot more convenient.

Refilling doesn't suit some people - usually those that are all thumbs ;-)

Cheers,
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.chariot dot net dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:56:24 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Alan Duval schreef:

> Hi Khris,
>
> The only HP models readily available here are the
> 640C
> 840C
> 930C
> Only the 640C is listed at the IBM driver site.

You can't rely on what posted at the IBM driver site, as things seldom are updated
there. You have to look into the file omni.lst in order to view the latest upgrades.



>
> Models above 930C are over the $400 mark. Too dear for SOHO.

Whether the 930C would work with the 970C driver depends on it's ability to print to
Dos.

And beware, the 640C isn't listed in the latest omni.lst.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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From: "Stan Pallis" <spallisatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:05:47 +1000

Ed,

Go to North Rocks on Sunday, there's a stall that has cheap epson inks, well
a lot cheaper than a lot of places I tried, my Espon Stylus color 600 which
I bought in '97 is still going strong

Stan Pallis

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:40 AM
To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems


Whoops !  - Egg on face time !!  Although the printer manual doesn't
indicate that this combination of flashing lights mean it - the printer
had simply run out of black ink ! I downloaded the latest epson
monitoring utility (only for Windoze unfortunately) - ran it and it
told me the sorry truth - no black ink !

This printer seems to use ink faster than my previous HP Deskjet, I'll
have to check that it defaults to draft print mode in the future.
Unfortunately the printer can't just run on the colour cartridge, so
it's off to the shops to see what a replacement is going to cost me !

So - apart from this little "hic-cup" I can continue to recommend
the Epson Stylus Color 680 under OS/2.

Cheers/2
Ed.


Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> After shouting the praises of the Epson printer I seem to have similar
> problems to those described earlier by someone else on this list.
>
> For no apparent reason, both error lights on the printer have started
> flashing and (of course) it can't print now. I've all the usual
> resetting
> tactics all to no avail.
>
> So it starts to look like the Epson 680 range may have a basic design
> flaw. I Harvey Normans are open today, I'll be taking it back for a
> replacement.
>
> I'm posting this message here in case someone else is considering
> buying this model of printer as when it works, it works well under
> os/2. At the moment I would advise anyone considering buying to
> wait a while - perhaps a mark II model will come out soon ?
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed Durrant.

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