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Saturday 01 July 2006
 Number  1322
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Subjects for today
 
1   just a test.  Don'y reply : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
2   Attachments : Peter Jenkins <ecom_pp at westnet dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
4  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
10  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
11  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
13  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
14  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:49:36 +1000
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   just a test.  Don'y reply


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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:38:01 +0930
From:  Peter Jenkins <ecom_pp at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Attachments

Thanks ever one, Peter Moylan looks like he put me on the right track, I 
possible still had Pmview open when sending, have run a couple of test 
emails and he has received one from me with an attachment, will continue 
testing to him
Peter  at  Pt Pirie

-- 
Peter A  Jenkins
(AKA grandad or pj)
Port Pirie South Australia
PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM
Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2

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Date:  Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:17:02 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA


<quote who="John Angelico">
> There is much Sturm und Drang over the infamous Windows Genuine Advantage

not quite sure why
I think it's quite a good idea, actually
what's wrong with it ?

>  but MSFT has responded in part to the storm and in part to the legal
> action with the following instructions on removing WGA:
>
> http://support.microsoft dot com/kb/921914
>
>
> You may like to give the details to your unfortunate Windows colleagues
> :-)

I thought this list would recommend any unfortunates to use OS/2 ??


-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:32:40 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:17:02 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
><quote who="John Angelico">
>> There is much Sturm und Drang over the infamous Windows Genuine Advantage
>
>not quite sure why
>I think it's quite a good idea, actually
>what's wrong with it ?

:-) for Mac and Linux, it's a good idea!

WGA is a piece of critical software (according to MSFT) which MUST be
installed (and no, there is no option to refuse it).

It then proceeds to check *every day* to see if the system has licenced
software and reports same to the user.

What MSFT didn't tell anybody was that WGA also contacts Redmond and
reports large bundles of IP packets - DAILY.

By MSFT's own definition of spyware, it is spyware.

>>  but MSFT has responded in part to the storm and in part to the legal
>> action with the following instructions on removing WGA:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft dot com/kb/921914
>>
>>
>> You may like to give the details to your unfortunate Windows colleagues
>> :-)
>
>I thought this list would recommend any unfortunates to use OS/2 ??

It's a difficult and error-prone process. 

But you will have done the "right thing" initially.

When same colleagues get into a terrible mess, one could offer eCS, on the
proviso they accept that it will not run all their old software - just like
Windows won't while WGA is there. :-)

However, they *will* then be free of WGA and Microsoft updates.


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:44:14 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA


<quote who="John Angelico">
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:17:02 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:
>
>
>>
>> <quote who="John Angelico">
>>
>>> There is much Sturm und Drang over the infamous Windows Genuine
>>> Advantage
>>>
>>
>> not quite sure why I think it's quite a good idea, actually
>> what's wrong with it ?
>
> :-) for Mac and Linux, it's a good idea!
>
>
> WGA is a piece of critical software (according to MSFT) which MUST be
> installed (and no, there is no option to refuse it).

yes, there is

it's not included with the XP CD

install from the CCD, no WGA, easy

don't use updates

in the alternative, don't complain, buy genuine windoze;
you won't have the problem




>
> It then proceeds to check *every day* to see if the system has licenced
> software and reports same to the user.
>
> What MSFT didn't tell anybody was that WGA also contacts Redmond and
> reports large bundles of IP packets - DAILY.
>
> By MSFT's own definition of spyware, it is spyware.
>
>
>>> but MSFT has responded in part to the storm and in part to the legal
>>> action with the following instructions on removing WGA:
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft dot com/kb/921914
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You may like to give the details to your unfortunate Windows
>>> colleagues :-)
>>>
>>
>> I thought this list would recommend any unfortunates to use OS/2 ??
>>
>
> It's a difficult and error-prone process.
>
>
> But you will have done the "right thing" initially.
>
>
> When same colleagues get into a terrible mess, one could offer eCS, on
> the proviso they accept that it will not run all their old software - just
> like Windows won't while WGA is there. :-)
>
>
> However, they *will* then be free of WGA and Microsoft updates.
>
>
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 

>
>


-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:10:42 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:44:14 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

>> WGA is a piece of critical software (according to MSFT) which MUST be
>> installed (and no, there is no option to refuse it).
>
>yes, there is
>
>it's not included with the XP CD
>
>install from the CCD, no WGA, easy
>
>don't use updates
>
>in the alternative, don't complain, buy genuine windoze;
>you won't have the problem

Voytek, don't become a MSFT apologist. :-)

Most of the sturm und drang is precisely from people using genuine windoze,
who have trouble with the authentication process after changing parts of
their hardware. This is already known as the "false positives" issue.

The complaints are about dishonesty, failure to disclose, failure to obtain
informed consent, denial of service unless WGA is accepted (aka duress by
the lawyers, the Godfather calls it "making an offer they can't refuse"),
causing computer to run slower, incurring cost eg phone connection, data
traffic without user knowledge and so on. Not about what it does in
simplified form (licence checking).

The *next* version is already announced to include a facility to stop the
software (Windoze and Office) from operating if a licence error is found. 

Don't tell me about unlicenced drivers or unregistered cars. Ford and
Holden do not ask your car to report back daily to Detroit on the licenced
or unlicenced state of our vehicles, and disable them if we are not. Once
we have paid for them we use them - at our own risk but not at the behest
of the manufacturer. 


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:26:17 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA


<quote who="John Angelico">
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:44:14 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

> Don't tell me about unlicenced drivers or unregistered cars. Ford and
> Holden do not ask your car to report back daily to Detroit on the licenced
>  or unlicenced state of our vehicles, and disable them if we are not.
> Once
> we have paid for them we use them - at our own risk but not at the behest
> of the manufacturer.

precisly

that why GM are in the financial position that they're...


-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:40:24 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:26:17 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
><quote who="John Angelico">
>> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:44:14 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:
>
>> Don't tell me about unlicenced drivers or unregistered cars. Ford and
>> Holden do not ask your car to report back daily to Detroit on the licenced
>>  or unlicenced state of our vehicles, and disable them if we are not.
>> Once
>> we have paid for them we use them - at our own risk but not at the behest
>> of the manufacturer.
>
>precisly
>
>that why GM are in the financial position that they're...

Sadly, Voytek, that displays a level of mercenary and moral bankruptcy
which I had not expected from you.

*You* asked the question what's wrong with this WGA thing...and I answered.



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:52:54 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

The problem with WGA is that if you have a laptop and you are
on the road, Windows cannot check with home, and starts with
the popups that you have an illegal version of Windows, and if
you dont connect back to home within 5 days, it decides you
need to reinstall parts of windows due to a corruption. 

This is what happens with the beta version the MicroS pushed out
to the world recently.

Just imagine your an exploration geologist out bush......

It's worse that Mcafee's firewall, which if it cant check that you have a legit
version, turns itself off but a Windows user that knows no better, follows
the message displayed, connects the computer to the internet, not realising
they are nolonger protected until Windows is restarted, or the firewall
manually started.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

My goal is a simple one: To live forever -- or die trying.
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Date:  Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:01:50 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

don't like it, don't use
use it, put up with it

it' too late to complain now


<quote who="Ian Manners">
> The problem with WGA is that if you have a laptop and you are
> on the road, Windows cannot check with home, and starts with the popups
> that you have an illegal version of Windows, and if you dont connect back
> to home within 5 days, it decides you need to reinstall parts of windows
> due to a corruption.
>
> This is what happens with the beta version the MicroS pushed out
> to the world recently.
>
> Just imagine your an exploration geologist out bush......
>
>
> It's worse that Mcafee's firewall, which if it cant check that you have a
> legit version, turns itself off but a Windows user that knows no better,
> follows the message displayed, connects the computer to the internet, not
> realising they are nolonger protected until Windows is restarted, or the
> firewall manually started.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>
> My goal is a simple one: To live forever -- or die trying.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> 

>
>


-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:13:43 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:01:50 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

>don't like it, don't use
>use it, put up with it
>
>it' too late to complain now

"It's too late" applied from the time people accepted the WinXP SP2 EULA...

People are deciding that "don't use it" applies to Windows as a whole.
 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:30:04 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA

Hi Voytek

>don't like it, don't use
>use it, put up with it

I'm Windows free so me personally have no problems with it :-)

Shame about some other people I know, including one geo who
stupidly installed it because his computer kept telling him his
computer was insecure because he had not completed the updates.

>it' too late to complain now

True but unfortunetly I'm the one they complain to, expecting me to
"fix it". Sigh, I miss the days when geologists were happy with fortran
and could write there own field software, not they only have programs
that require Windows 2000/XP :-(

Wonder if things will change at Microsoft when Ozzy takes over the
software part properly ?

>> The problem with WGA is that if you have a laptop and you are
>> on the road, Windows cannot check with home, and starts with the popups
>> that you have an illegal version of Windows, and if you dont connect back
>> to home within 5 days, it decides you need to reinstall parts of windows
>> due to a corruption.
>>
>> This is what happens with the beta version the MicroS pushed out
>> to the world recently.
>>
>> Just imagine your an exploration geologist out bush......
>>
>>
>> It's worse that Mcafee's firewall, which if it cant check that you have a
>> legit version, turns itself off but a Windows user that knows no better,
>> follows the message displayed, connects the computer to the internet, not
>> realising they are nolonger protected until Windows is restarted, or the
>> firewall manually started.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ian Manners
>> http://www.os2site dot com/
>>
>>
>> My goal is a simple one: To live forever -- or die trying.
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>> 
>
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Voytek
>

> 

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I'm okay-It's only a flesh wound. Get that file uploaded!
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Date:  Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:43:09 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA


<quote who="Ian Manners">
> Hi Voytek
>
>
>> don't like it, don't use use it, put up with it
>
> I'm Windows free so me personally have no problems with it :-)


ditto


> Shame about some other people I know, including one geo who
> stupidly installed it because his computer kept telling him his computer
> was insecure because he had not completed the updates.

had he enaged someone like you (or me), he would have saved some grief,
perhaps, for a small finacial outley

he (and, many others) thinsk they know it all, and, make not so smart
decisions

not so smart decisions generates work for some.

>> it' too late to complain now
>
> True but unfortunetly I'm the one they complain to, expecting me to
> "fix it".

whenever my buddy Tom moans likewise, I tell him:

fantastic ! , additional income for you ! (and me)

(ok, ok, yes, I'd rather do interesting things, sure, but, hey, don't look
a gift horse in the mouth, work is work)


> Sigh, I miss the days when geologists were happy with fortran
> and could write there own field software, not they only have programs that
> require Windows 2000/XP :-(
>
> Wonder if things will change at Microsoft when Ozzy takes over the
> software part properly ?


-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:46:14 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Removing the infamous WGA


<quote who="John Angelico">
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:01:50 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:
>
>
>> don't like it, don't use use it, put up with it
>>
>> it' too late to complain now
>
> "It's too late" applied from the time people accepted the WinXP SP2
> EULA...
>
>
> People are deciding that "don't use it" applies to Windows as a whole.

it's too late applied from long time ago, when the press and industry and
users  allowed MS to get away with whatever they pleased.

(hmmm, I thought this was an OS/2 list?)


-- 
Voytek

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