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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:23:45 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Re Warp Support

Hi Ed

  Re Software Choice and alternatives...

this question may have had a thread before but can we address it again?

It appears that my Software Choice Sub has expired, so I am attempting to rationalise how I can maintain support and updates.

We are very happy with the setup and in reality as long as I knew that the Browser situation was positive for Warp, then I cant really 
imagine  ever changing....!!  I guess that we may be able to migrate to linux .? I certainly have no desire to  dumb down to MS and 
the 2000/XP platform..

I certainly have  *no* equivalent setup for my voice dicatation on any other platform..

At work we do famously with Warp Server for e business and Warp 4.5 clients and it has performed *faultlessly* for  3 months 
without a single lockup or trap on any machine  and the network is continuously on including our dedicated ADSL gateway !

So to maintain my Browser and Java (mainly) support, should I 

1	take out a subscription or "upgrade" ,licence for ecomm station  - will this provide the same support as the software 
choice option?

2	renew my Software Choice?

3	any other suggestions


Please also remember the terrible time that I had with IBM Australia and  getting them to accept that I even had a SWC subs at the 
outset!!!  Took me 18 months to get a ID and password!!

cheers




Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist

Smart Road Specialist Centre
Modbury SA 5092

61 8 8265 4022  (Voice)
61 8 8386 1795 (Fax)
gnatsmart-road dot com dot au

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Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:17:41 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support

Hi Graham,
   Well, you were not the only one to fall foul of IBM Australia's lax attitude regards
OS/2 Warp support options. Since your (and other) fiascos, Peter Marfaita in Melbourne
has managed to get a definitive statement of what Software choice options are available
and what numbers to quote to get them.

 I have this document on my maxhine at work and I'll send it to you when I get in
tomorrow.

 Although we thought otherwise, it appears what you paid for through employee purchase
was software choice support for OS/2 Warp 4 Client, not the more expensive option for
the server.

 Version 4.52 is due out before the end of the year. This is also known as convience pack 2
and includes a browser (not Netscape 4.x) - it may just be a renamed IBM (Warpzilla)
browser, or it may be a totally new one - I have only been given "sketchy" information
at the moment and this is not even for public release, however since you said one of your
concerns was with browser development, this is probably relevant to you. Whatever it
turns out to be (perhaps a licenced version of Opera/2 ??), it should ensure compatability
with changing Web technologies.

 eComstation doesn't seem to have "taken-off" in Australia and as yet I have not even seen
a copy of it, so I can't comment on it. I have seen components of it in pre-release packages
and they looked very promising, however as I said I haven't seen the final product.

My present configuration (with which I'm pretty happy) is Warp 4 FP15 (or Warp 4 CP1
on another machine), with TCPIP V 4.3, JAVA 2, IBM Browser (Warpzilla), Opera/2
Browser, ODIN (latest weekly build), NOTES 5.07 (via ODIN) CDRecord/2 and SANE/2.
I can do most things with this configuration, although a bit faster machine would probably
help.

As for Linux. This is always put up as the "windows killer". Great that it has such a strong
anti-microsoft following, but from what I have heard, it's certainly not ready to be put into
the hands of the "average" user. When installing a device driver to the wrong directory can
destroy the whole system requiring a total re-build, which happened to one of my colleagues
recently, I'd say there's still some way to go yet!.  Also I think linux is more complex than
Windows or OS/2 and I strongly believe that the IT industry should be pushing towards
simpler "network devices" rather than complex computers, to perform day to day tasks.
A computer should by now be as simple to operate as a washing machine or an electric
oven. You should be able to turn it on and use it and then simply turn it off when you're
finished. Give Windows 2000 a point here, if you switch off the power, it automatically
jumps in and does a proper shutdown but we shouldn't NEED a PROPER SHUTDOWN
if the device was simpler in the first place !

 At the moment there's probably no better way to service your centre than you are doing
now. Something major has to happen in the IT industry to simplify these tools and with
WINTEL pushing to make everything more complex, it isn't going to happen quickly. If
a company starts somthing in this direction, it's likely it'll get steamrollered by the mighty
Microsoft machine or one of its lackies.

Perhaps you should run a web based Application Server, that simpler netwotk devices
such as Palm Pilots or perhaps Games consoles could access via a web browser and run
the crucial apps centrally where you can protect against data failure and viruses ?? Who
knows ??  This could be made to work, but would the cost of working on the "bleeding
edge" be worth it ??  You always have to ask, how much will a change benefit me over
what I have working now ??

OK - Sermon over. ........   I'll send you the SC details tomoorow as I said.

  Cheers/2

    Ed.


  P.S.   XP stands not only for eXtra Price but also eXit Privacy and eXtra Problems.

Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:

> Hi Ed
>
>   Re Software Choice and alternatives...
>
> this question may have had a thread before but can we address it again?
>
> It appears that my Software Choice Sub has expired, so I am attempting to rationalise how I can maintain support and updates.
>

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Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:21:02 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] IBM Browser - to turn off the Dragon 

For those of you on the WarpBrowsers listserve, I apologise for
repeating
this buit for others it may be of interest.


The question was how to turn off the Breathing dragon when the IBM
Browser
starts - he's the answer from Mike Kaply (IBM).


     Two ways:

       1. Turn off logos in OS/2.

      2. Start mozilla with -quiet or /quiet

    Mike Kaply
     IBM

Cheers/2

Ed Durrant.


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From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:21:42 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media

Hi,
This weekend I've zipped-up 1 of my famous SOE installs of OS/2.
I wrote a CD-R of the zip file & immediately tried to unzip it from a
Toshiba laptop CD-ROM drive.

Problem was, I got file errors, unzipping it.
Checking the source zip on my HDD had no problems.
I got my camera gear out & cleaned the Toshiba CD-ROM drive lens.
I repeated the unzip with the same results.

Unzipping the CD-R on my desktop IBM 4x CD-ROM drive, no problems.

However, today, 1 day later, I can now read the CD-R reliably.

I wrote another CD-R under the same conditions today & also had read
errors, immediately after the write.

I left the CD-R in my running Toshiba laptop to "cook" & its fine this
afternoon.

I suspect there was some "settling" time before the freshly-written
CD-R media was stable.

Has anyone experienced this phenomenom?

TECHNICAL APPENDIX:
CD-Writer:
Yamaha CDR400t, firmware 1.0q

CD-ROM:
Toshiba XM-1502BN

Software:
RSJ 2.84

OS:
OS/2 Warp 4
XR_M015 base OS FixPak
XR_D002 Device Driver FixPak

CD-R media:
MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (160 characters max)

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:22:21 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media

Hi Daryl

>TECHNICAL APPENDIX:
>CD-Writer:
>Yamaha CDR400t, firmware 1.0q

I've got 2 SCSI Yamaha's here, great units.

>CD-R media:
>MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB

Are these those "cheap" ones ?

I've read a review that did mention some weird problems
with some of the cheap "unbranded, rebranded" CDR's

Including some that required a higher, or lower laser power
to get the correct depth pits. These CDR's may fall in the
same catagory. Not sure about RSJ but with CD-Record/2,
you can controll the laser power settings. (for those of us with
a hacker bent)

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

OS/2: The choice of the next generation.

6==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:23:19 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser - to turn off the Dragon

Hi Ed

>The question was how to turn off the Breathing dragon when the IBM
>Browser starts - he's the answer from Mike Kaply (IBM).

Never knew there was one :-)

I'd better go turn on my logos and have a sqiz.


Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. No is the answer.

7==============================================

From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:54:26 +0950
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media

On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:22:21 +1000, Ian Manners wrote:
>I've got 2 SCSI Yamaha's here, great units.
I agree here - I have a Yamaha 6416.

>>CD-R media:
>>MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB
>
>Are these those "cheap" ones ?
With a name like MaxMax could they be anything BUT cheap ones :)

Regards,

Paul.

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:41:25 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media

Hi Paul

>>I've got 2 SCSI Yamaha's here, great units.
>I agree here - I have a Yamaha 6416.

I've got the 6416, as well as my first one, a CDR100 (1995)

Both work very well under OS/2, no problems with any
name brand media (except when I forgot to finalise :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

A 100% right of return both ways.

9==============================================

From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:37:45 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support

Hi Graham,

Don't waste your time with IBM Australia for licensing.
Your best bets are:

The PC-Therapist,
Yours Truly :)
I'm a Dealer of Orion Solutions, the Australian Distributor of
eComStation.

BMT Micro (US)
Applications

Your best support options for OS/2 are:

This ListServ :)
Ian Manners
Ed Durrant
Brian Butler
Yours truly :)
(Apologies to other competent people)

eComStation support is excellent through:
http://www.ecomstation dot com

eComStation includes a license to use the following products with
eComStation:
IBM OS/2 Warp v4, IBM Product Number 31L0480M

IBM OS/2 Warp Convenience Pak, IBM Product Number AS6Y5NA

IBM Desktop on Call for OS/2, IBM Product Number AS6YBNA

IBM Lotus SmartSuite for OS/2 r1.6, IBM Number AS76KNA

WiseMachine from Serenity Systems International

Applause and the TWAIN Consumer Pack from Solution Technologies, Inc

InJoy 2.3 Professional Dialer and InJoy PPPoE from F/X Communications

HOBLink X/11 for OS/2 from HOB Software

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (160 characters max)

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:59:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support

>Don't waste your time with IBM Australia for licensing.

Here I site, still waiting for someone from IBM to call me back
(three calls made to the software[lotus] people), about my
SWC. I've got the Username and Password but no one
ever seems to want to call me back about my CD(s).

Ordering eCS last year has given me my Convience Pack
a lot quicker than ordering and paying for SWC in May 2000.

So yes, talk to Daryl, or Orion Solutions.

My experience previously with BMT Micro is they could not
ship SWC to Australia. (other products were ok)

And, getting freebies from the IBM Developer Site is also quick
(2 weeks ex USA), so I dont know whats up with IBM and that
"OS/2" word here in Australia.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

    One disk to rule them all,
    One disk to bind them,
    One disk to hold the files
    And in the darkness grind 'em

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Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:39:39 +1000
From: Graham Norton <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi Graham,
> 
> Don't waste your time with IBM Australia for licensing.
> Your best bets are:
> 
> The PC-Therapist,
> Yours Truly :)
> I'm a Dealer of Orion Solutions, the Australian Distributor of
> eComStation.
> 
> BMT Micro (US)
> Applications
> 
> Your best support options for OS/2 are:
> 
> This ListServ :)
> Ian Manners
> Ed Durrant
> Brian Butler
> Yours truly :)
> (Apologies to other competent people)
> 
> eComStation support is excellent through:
> http://www.ecomstation dot com
> 
> eComStation includes a license to use the following products with
> eComStation:
> IBM OS/2 Warp v4, IBM Product Number 31L0480M
> 
> IBM OS/2 Warp Convenience Pak, IBM Product Number AS6Y5NA
> 
> IBM Desktop on Call for OS/2, IBM Product Number AS6YBNA
> 
> IBM Lotus SmartSuite for OS/2 r1.6, IBM Number AS76KNA
> 
> WiseMachine from Serenity Systems International
> 
> Applause and the TWAIN Consumer Pack from Solution Technologies, Inc
> 
> InJoy 2.3 Professional Dialer and InJoy PPPoE from F/X Communications
> 
> HOBLink X/11 for OS/2 from HOB Software
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington 
> 
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
> 
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300
>           Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
>       Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (160 characters max)
> 
> 
> 
> 
Hi Daryl

the list for ecomm station is impressive  *but* in the future (here and 
now) the internet Browser is vital and I dont see any mention of this.  
There is on the Software Choice page a recent  update on the IBM Web 
Browser  dated 30/8/01   ..,. I cant access it as the SWC page rejects 
my ID and password and I suspect that I have expired !!  (although 
predicatably there was no warning or courtesy email from IBM about this!!!

I guess that I can hope that Warpzilla and Opera stay with it.,.... at 
present I believe that neither supports Java although promised...  this 
may well be not important in the future as MS state that XP wont support 
JAva so I will assume that web pages will then have some proprietary MS 
type junk that only works with IE... its all so depressingly predicatable!




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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:46:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media

Hi Daryl,

I have not had your particular problem, but I have had trouble
with blue dye CD blanks on some machines.  Sometimes they would read
and other times would not.  Sometimes taking the CD out of the drive
and simply put it back in again would make all the difference.

Then again, some drives would not read blue dye CD blanks at all.
Notably, NEC CD rom drives.  The NEC drive would be ok for first 3 months
and then would flatly refuse to read the same blue dye CD's from previous
months.

I have also noticed an "apparent" dye sensitivity change in many brands of
CD drives that were used in unusually bad smokey (cigarette) or fatty
(cooking fat or oil - fume) environments.  I cannot prove this of course,
but that is what seems to be apparent.

If the above is true, then I assume that a deposit or film on the
laser lens has occurred, or actual degredation of the laser lens.  
In the case of the NEC drives, I suspect a change or loss in the actual laser itself.

Another possibility comes to mind in YOUR case.
That is that leaving the CD in the drive to "cook" (your words),
would result in the CD disk heating up to a mild degree.
Heat equals expansion and the tracks would now be further apart.

Either the Toshiba drive might be out of adjustment or your burner drive
might be running a bit hot.  Burners should not be allowed to get too hot.
Some of the early Yamaha burners were reputed to have suffered if allowed
to get over heated.  I have 2 Yamaha burners and one is the same model as yours.
You might have to provide you burner with better ventilation perhaps.

Other that that I would suggest you use silver/gold or gold CD blanks.
I am not aware of the brand you have used.
I am using RSJ CD Writer for OS/2 3.60 and latest versions of RSJ
for Win9x and Win2000.

Regards,
Bobt.


On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:21:42 +1000 (EST), Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi,
> This weekend I've zipped-up 1 of my famous SOE installs of OS/2.
> I wrote a CD-R of the zip file & immediately tried to unzip it from a
> Toshiba laptop CD-ROM drive.
> 
> Problem was, I got file errors, unzipping it.
> Checking the source zip on my HDD had no problems.
> I got my camera gear out & cleaned the Toshiba CD-ROM drive lens.
> I repeated the unzip with the same results.
> 
> Unzipping the CD-R on my desktop IBM 4x CD-ROM drive, no problems.
> 
> However, today, 1 day later, I can now read the CD-R reliably.
> 
> I wrote another CD-R under the same conditions today & also had read
> errors, immediately after the write.
> 
> I left the CD-R in my running Toshiba laptop to "cook" & its fine this
> afternoon.
> 
> I suspect there was some "settling" time before the freshly-written
> CD-R media was stable.

NO. Not likely.

> Has anyone experienced this phenomenom?

NO.

> TECHNICAL APPENDIX:
> CD-Writer:
> Yamaha CDR400t, firmware 1.0q
> 
> CD-ROM:
> Toshiba XM-1502BN
> 
> Software:
> RSJ 2.84
> 
> OS:
> OS/2 Warp 4
> XR_M015 base OS FixPak
> XR_D002 Device Driver FixPak
> 
> CD-R media:
> MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington 







   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 


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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:30:47 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] [OT] CD-R media

A bit on heat, fans etc

>Some of the early Yamaha burners were reputed to have suffered if allowed
>to get over heated.  I have 2 Yamaha burners and one is the same model as yours.
>You might have to provide you burner with better ventilation perhaps.

My old CDR100 use to get very hot the first time I used it, I then
promptly installed it in an external case with dual rear fans, as it
was obvious to me the ventalation in my then semi-modern VP100
486dx4-100 was not up to the task. (to many side vent holes)

The Yamaha 6416 CDR has a small fan in the rear of the unit, not very impressive,
and as its mounted in my netfinity, I've removed this fan, and put a plastic
cone tube to my (self installed) 7cm bearing fan for my SCSI HD's, drawing
the air in through the front of the unit, the netfinity has 5 fans, all bearing
models, and two of them are for the SCSI HD's, two fans drawing in air via
the front, three (inc PS) extracting the air out the rear. 

The airflow for the CDR is good but not to fast as to draw excess
dust through the front of the CDR

HD manufacturers should supply a heat warning, and I've never thought
much of the HS fans on CPU's....

As much as I give IBM's software people a hard time, there HW
division definitly does the right thing as far as quality ventilation
and engineering goes (I'll ignore the Aptivas and NetVistas)

Got to love IBM's CPU Heatsinks !

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

It could be worse... (BOOOM) It's worse.

