Date: Thur, 12 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 28

Date:- 12 April 2001

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:11:21 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] MPTS , (was and now for...)

Hi Guys,

You have a stack problem.
Go to FixPak 15 for the base OS & Device Driver 2 FixPak.

You then need to update MPTS, in the correct order:

MPTS WR08610
(IBM)
MPTS WR08621
(IBM)
TCP/IP 4.21 Applications fix UN_2101
(http://www.warpupdates.de)
Fix ic27255.exe
(http://www.warpupdates.de)

Installed in the above order.

The above is explained at:
http://www.warpupdates.de
Follow the upgrade instructions to the letter.
>
SNIP
>
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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:55:49 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eCS Boot zip file

Hi Michael

You will have to use the makedsk command on the eCS CDROM.
The one I have on my site is experimental, and Kim cant remember
the password as it was a one off change that did not work.

I will check my older archive backups if makedsk doesnt work
for you.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:37:23 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] And now for something you'll really like !

I very FP14 VERY stable with TCP/IP V 4.3. The later FPs although not
to the comms components of OS/2,  suspect, expect TCP/IP V 4.3, not 
4.0.

Perhaps some others on the list have experiences in this area ?

Ed.

tsqatchariot dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> In <3AD066D8.3A35064Eatcamtech dot net dot au>, on 04/08/01
>    at 09:55 PM, Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au> said:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> 
> Up'til now I have been using Warp 4 fp12 and Y2k fixes for tcpip and mpts.
> Which is pretty far behind in fp's by now, but it has been working.
> 
> Problem 1:
> 
> without warning tcpip related software, email, newsreader, browser could
> not find their relarive services on my isp 

> Problem 2:
> 
> Brian - (OS2UGSA Tech/miracle worker) tried updating fp to DDFP2 & FP15.
> Fixtool 1.43 crashed, sys3175 I think. Re-install with fp15 level code,
> install dropped out.

> The Question:
> 
> Should I try to apply fp12 or fp15 ?
> The money, or the gun !?!
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:43:54 -0400
From: "Bennett B. Gaston" <bgastonatmindspring dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM

Dear Ian,

A while back you wrote the following comments on CONFIG.SYS settings.  I
was wondering why you don't use MAXWAIT=1 ?  From my readings the MAXWAIT
variable sets the number of seconds that a THREAD can wait until its
priority is bumped up to the next level.  Since CPU's have advanced
markedly from the days of the 486, a very large number of transactions can
be accomplished in only 1 second of CPU time, today.  So I guess I'm at a
loss as to why you would never set MAXWAIT=1 and use MAXWAIT=2 instead?  I
would very much appreciate any enlightenment in this area that you could
provide.  Thanks!

Yours truly,

Bennett Gaston


At 11:42 PM 3/23/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Craig
>
>...
>
>MAXWAIT=2                 (dont use  = 1)
>MEMMAN=NoSwap, protect       (Turns off the swap file)
>THREADS=512        (if you dont have this)
>
>Could you send me your c:\config.sys and c:\startup.cmd files
>as well ? (privately)
>
>include your c:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd, and the syslevel.txt file
>created by running this command.
>
>syslevel > syslevel.txt
>
>
>Cheers
>Ian B Manners
>
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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:22:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] And now for something you'll really like !

Hi Ed

>I very FP14 VERY stable with TCP/IP V 4.3. The later FPs although not
>to the comms components of OS/2,  suspect, expect TCP/IP V 4.3, not 
>4.0.

I put TCP/IP v4.3 on at the same time I put FP13 on, and FP12
was a godsend for me, my Netscape woes all vanished, which might
have been due to the new pmmerge.dll more than the fixpack.
Fixpack 13 and 14 also went on very smoothly, and I've had no
problems with these either.

The only problem I've had with OS/2 installs (apart from my
own stupitity in editing config.sys during an install, and changing
drivers but forgetting to actually put them on the HD) has been
to do with some of the high speed IDE chipsets, swapping the 80
lead cable on these back to 40 lead has fixed the problem. Dani's
latest drivers will probably have fixed these by now. All my main
servers, and my own main PC are all IBM machines though, which
tend to have less, or no problems compared to clone machines
looking at the problems encountered in upgrading on the various
lists.

I did have a problem where I would have to reboot about once a
week but I very quickly traced that to a EMX memory leak, since
fixed.

I also found FP12, and TCP/IP v4.02w stable. I have never
used TCP/IP v4.2x though.

Prior to Fixpack 10, I use to have the odd WPS freeze etc
occur, I also completely took DOS & Windows support off
my main PC with the advent of FP13 due to lack of use.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

6================================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:41:32 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM

Hi Bennett

>A while back you wrote the following comments on CONFIG.SYS settings.  I
>was wondering why you don't use MAXWAIT=1 ?  From my readings the MAXWAIT
>variable sets the number of seconds that a THREAD can wait until its
>priority is bumped up to the next level.  Since CPU's have advanced
>markedly from the days of the 486, a very large number of transactions can
>be accomplished in only 1 second of CPU time, today.  So I guess I'm at a
>loss as to why you would never set MAXWAIT=1 and use MAXWAIT=2 instead?  I
>would very much appreciate any enlightenment in this area that you could
>provide.  Thanks!

I find that on PC's up to about PPro/PII 200Mhz boxes, that it depends
a lot on the I/O subsystems on the Motherboard, a good name brand PC
I would tend to use MAXWAIT=1, other clone M/B's I've noticed that
MAXWAIT=2 gives a more responsive feel.

PIII's from 400 and up though, it becomes a mute point, I tend to
set PRIORITY=ABSOLUTE once the machine has been stable
for a while, this makes MAXWAIT meaningless. PRIORITY=
ABSLOUTE does what it says, the priority given to the thread
determines when it is given a timeslice.

Using a IBM 486DX100, with a 50Mhz bus speed (only IBM
did this with there ValuePoint range as far as I'm aware)
MAXWAIT=2 was optimum, with Apache, Weasel, FTPServer,
CRON, PERL, and a few other programs running.

I guess what I'm saying, is that it depends on the machine in
question, the process's your running etc but with anything
at, or faster than about 200Mhz, I would tend to use MAXWAIT=1
but also try MAXWAIT=2, beyond 400Mhz, I would automatically
put in MAXWAIT=1.

The MAXWAIT command itself sets the longest period that
a program can be made to wait (if you have a CPU intensive
program running) before it gets a lookin again. This normally
only happens if you have either a badly written program, or
you do something like put RC5DES on a priority of 9 :-) or
accidently use NICE to mistakenly boost a programs priority
to high.

Netscape v4.61 earlier versions were badly written, with
a process that hogged CPU sometimes.

If you are using OS/2 for server use, I would recommend
you ignore MAXWAIT, and put PRIORITY=ABSOLUTE
in instead.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisgatwarpspeed dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:34:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings

On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:08:24 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:38:39 +1000 (EST), Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]
>wrote:
>
>>
>>This is correct for Syd-Mel time:
>>
>>TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
>>
>>
>>-Chris
>
>Chris, this appears to be functionally equivalent to Daryl's version,
>so why do you prefer the negative symbols in the month fields? :)

Because it is more correct. The -1 is weeks from the end of the month,
rather than an absolute number from the beginning (which I've been led to
believe that it can effect differences occasionally).

-Chris

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From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisgatwarpspeed dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:35:45 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings

On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:17:15 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:13:46 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
>>
>>Gee, maybe I should have been a geography teacher...
>>
>
>You'd have missed your calling in the computer industry then...
>
>>Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> 
>>> What does EST stand for and should we be using EST-10EDT or EST-10EST as
>>> you originally wrote ?
>>> 
>
>Oh, and it's minus for being 10 hours in advance because those silly
>Northerners got it backwards :)

Actually, that is incorrect, it is an east-west thing (of Grenwitch in
England) rather than a North-South thing!

-Chris

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From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisgatwarpspeed dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:32:55 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings

On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:04:36 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>Hi Ed, Chris, Ian, Leigh, Graham,
>
>This would be a fascinating topic to discuss over quite a few beers,
>perhaps I'll just email a picture of what I've already drunk to this
>threads participants.
>
>Gosh is that the time already...
>
>OK, there are 3 issues to deal with:
>
>1)
>What is the correct way of describing daylight saving time, (DST).
>
>2)
>When does DST start & finish
>
>3)
>TZ syntax:
>
>*** 3) first
>*****************************************************************
>
>Chris has suggested
>...10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,...
>
>Whereas I've suggested:
>...10,4,0,7200,3,4,...
>
>4 represents the 4th week whereas Chris' -1 represents the last week.
>They are both functionally equivalent, is the glass 1/2 full or 1/2
>empty?

I _think_ that at some time, someone pointed out to me that 4 could be
incorrect, that sometimes it might have fallen in the 3rd week, and the -1
still covered that option.

>However, the NSW Standard Time Act below states it is the last Sunday
>when all the action happens, so Chris, I owe you a 1/2 empty beer.
>
>Please note the the program World Clock likes my suggestedd syntax, so
>you'll have to bend the rules slightly to get this program not to come
>up with an error message.

Quite, frankly, it all comes down to the RTL being used. The GCC/GNU/EMX
one is also capable ot taking an completely different syntax (I'll post it
if I can ever find it again).

>*BUT* the information from the VIC & SA government web-sites only
>specifies dates, not weeks, so Chris & Ian, you owe me a 1/2 full beer &
>I owe you a 1/2 empty beer.

Rememer the year that NSW had to be different and was a few weeks
different, so VIC and NSW were one hour apart? Do you remember what hell
that gave the airlines? :-))))

>*** 2) Next
>******************************************************************
>
>What I'm confused about is the Government docs state the change back is
>always referenced to 2:00 Standard time. With the TZ variable, is the
>change back referenced to the Standard time or the daylight time?
>I can't find anything in Chris' docs or mine about this.

As you've listed below, they are all standard time.

>Now I'm really confused, lets all just drink another beer.
>
>NSW:
>Start 2:00 EST last Sunday in October
>End 3:00 AEDT last Sunday in March, (ie 2:00 EST)
>See:
>http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/crd.nsf/pages/time1
>
>VIC:
>Start 2:00 EST 28/10/01
>End 2:00 EST of 31/3/02, (ie 3:00 AEDT)
>See:
>http://www.infovic.vic.gov.au/faqs/daylightsaving.html
>
>SA:
>Start 2:00 CST 28/10/01
>End 3:00 DST 31/3/02, (ie 2:00 CST)
>See:
>http://www.sacentral.sa.gov.au/information/daylite.htm

Get them to check their spelling!

>*** 1) (Finally)
>*************************************************************
>
>As Chris points out, the AEST, ADST are correct. (I think the AEDST was
>a typo, Chris).

No, that is what I've heard used. Australian Eastern Daylight Savings
Time.

>Since the TZ variable only allows 3 characters, we are really stuck
>with:
>EST, EDT
>CST, CDT
>WST, WDT
>
>Even though EDT isn't really correct.

Correct.

>See:
>http://www.dstc.qut.edu.au/DST/marg/daylight-other.html#zones
>
>******************************************************************************
>
>OK so based on the above info:
>
>NSW:
>TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,????,3600
>or
>TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,????,3600
>
>VIC:
>TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,????,3600
>or
>TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,????,3600
>
>SA:
>TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,????,3600
>or
>TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,????,3600
>
>The ???? refers to the below:
>
>What I'm confused about is the Government docs state the change back is
>always referenced to 2:00 Standard time. With the TZ variable, is the
>change back referenced to the Standard time or the daylight time?
>I can't find anything in Chris' docs or mine about this.

Anwered that above. Remember, EST != EDT (or whatever), so even when in
daylight savings time, EST still exists (as it were!)


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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:01:19 -0400
From: "Bennett B. Gaston" <bgastonatmindspring dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM

Dear Ian,

Would you also use PRIORITY_DISK_IO=NO ?  This would seem to make since if
you were also using PRIORITY=ABSOLUTE.  I would love it if someone would
put together a few examples of what CONFIG.SYS settings work best (and why
they do) in different class systems for different working purposes.
Something like (PII400 and UP) Fileserver, (PII400 and DOWN) Client
Workstation, (P233MMX and DOWN) Internet GW and Webserver, etc.  I guess
the amount of RAM and HD space would also play major factors as well.  The
OS/2 CONFIG.SYS projects are good, but they invariably leave out "WHY" a
setting works the way it does.  As the saying goes, a little knowledge goes
a long way...

Yours truly,

Bennett Gaston

At 12:41 PM 04/11/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Bennett
>
>>A while back you wrote the following comments on CONFIG.SYS settings.  I
>>was wondering why you don't use MAXWAIT=1 ?  From my readings the MAXWAIT
>>variable sets the number of seconds that a THREAD can wait until its
>>priority is bumped up to the next level.  Since CPU's have advanced
>>markedly from the days of the 486, a very large number of transactions can
>>be accomplished in only 1 second of CPU time, today.  So I guess I'm at a
>>loss as to why you would never set MAXWAIT=1 and use MAXWAIT=2 instead?  I
>>would very much appreciate any enlightenment in this area that you could
>>provide.  Thanks!
>
>I find that on PC's up to about PPro/PII 200Mhz boxes, that it depends
>a lot on the I/O subsystems on the Motherboard, a good name brand PC
>I would tend to use MAXWAIT=1, other clone M/B's I've noticed that
>MAXWAIT=2 gives a more responsive feel.
>
>PIII's from 400 and up though, it becomes a mute point, I tend to
>set PRIORITY=ABSOLUTE once the machine has been stable
>for a while, this makes MAXWAIT meaningless. PRIORITY=
>ABSLOUTE does what it says, the priority given to the thread
>determines when it is given a timeslice.
>
>Using a IBM 486DX100, with a 50Mhz bus speed (only IBM
>did this with there ValuePoint range as far as I'm aware)
>MAXWAIT=2 was optimum, with Apache, Weasel, FTPServer,
>CRON, PERL, and a few other programs running.
>
>I guess what I'm saying, is that it depends on the machine in
>question, the process's your running etc but with anything
>at, or faster than about 200Mhz, I would tend to use MAXWAIT=1
>but also try MAXWAIT=2, beyond 400Mhz, I would automatically
>put in MAXWAIT=1.
>
>The MAXWAIT command itself sets the longest period that
>a program can be made to wait (if you have a CPU intensive
>program running) before it gets a lookin again. This normally
>only happens if you have either a badly written program, or
>you do something like put RC5DES on a priority of 9 :-) or
>accidently use NICE to mistakenly boost a programs priority
>to high.
>
>Netscape v4.61 earlier versions were badly written, with
>a process that hogged CPU sometimes.
>
>If you are using OS/2 for server use, I would recommend
>you ignore MAXWAIT, and put PRIORITY=ABSOLUTE
>in instead.
>
>
>Cheers
>Ian B Manners
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:14:10 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings, summary

Well,
After many beers, here is the summary of this thread.

Thanks to Ed, Ian & Chris for their learned input.

The final answer takes into account some technical & political
limitations & as such are a sensible compromise of providing practical
information whilst attempting to conform to Standards.

1)
All TZ variable change times for DST are referenced to the non-daylight
saving
time.

2)
The daylight saving code really needs 4 characters, AEDT, ACDT, AWDT,
but only 3 are
allowed.
EDT, CDT, WDT are all non-standard but are an informative 3 character
compromise.

3)
To most people the finer points of the TZ variable are academic,
however, 24x7 systems, like databases need to compensate for the change.
The TZ variable is critical for these systems.

BRISBANE QLD:
TZ=EST-10EST,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

SYDNEY NSW:
TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

MELBOURNE VIC:
TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

DARWIN NT:
TZ=CST-9:30CST,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

ADELAIDE SA:
TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

PERTH WA:
TZ=WST-8WST,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

REFERENCES:
 NSW:
http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/crd.nsf/pages/time1

 VIC:
http://www.infovic.vic.gov.au/faqs/daylightsaving.html

 SA:
http://www.sacentral.sa.gov.au/information/daylite.htm

 GENERAL:
http://www.dstc.qut.edu.au/DST/marg/daylight.html#cutoffs

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From: "Paul Smedley" <paulsmedleyatone dot net dot au>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:20:04 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Using the Via AC97 Sound support in OS/2

Many users have expressed their frustration with not being able to get either the native 
Via OS/2 sound driver to work, or the SBPro support that the Via 686A chipset also 
supports to work under OS/2.

The Via sound drivers crash very easily when playing MP3's, and system sounds play 
way too fast.  Essentially - they're unusable.  If the SBPro support is used, everything 
loads without errors, but no sound is heard when system sounds play.

Vit Timchish has created a package 
(http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-search?sh=1&button=Search&key=viasp&stype=all
&sort=date&dir=%2F) to help get OS/2 users using this sound support, however the 
instructions are a little bit unclear.  This posting is to try and clarify how to get the sound 
support working.

Firstly, in my experience, don't even bother with the Via sound support.  Vit's patch 
stops the driver crashing when playing an MP3, but all in all, the Via driver just doesn't 
work.

My recommended solution to getting sound support to work is to install the SB Pro 
drivers.  You can then use Vit's setreg.exe and add his suggested register values to 
startup.cmd, and this will correctly initialise the SB Pro support so that you can hear 
sound in OS/2 without any additional sound card.

Note that I haven't found it necessary to patch the SB Pro driver.  In fact the patch to add 
16bit sound to the driver won't work as the SB Pro can only do 8bit sound.  With this 
setup, system sounds will play fine, but to play MP3's using Z! or PM123 you need to 
configure those programs to use only 8bit sound.

With this setup, all my multimedia sounds are working fine.  Obviously getting the Via 
chipset not the SB Pro emulation to work would be best, but this is still a pretty 
reasonable solution until either Via fix their driver, or someone else rewrites the drive.

Regards,

Paul Smedley.

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:11:40 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] And now for something you'll really like !

There is a new pair of EIDE drivers (6th. April 2001) from IBM,
these may help ??

 I think they may be on the IBM Alpha site and not got to the DDpack
release stage yet. I'm pretty sure I picked them up from a link on
voice.

 If you wish I can email them to you, off-list.

 Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed
> 
> 
> The only problem I've had with OS/2 installs (apart from my
> own stupitity in editing config.sys during an install, and changing
> drivers but forgetting to actually put them on the HD) has been
> to do with some of the high speed IDE chipsets, swapping the 80
> lead cable on these back to 40 lead has fixed the problem.

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