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Saturday 12 April 2003
 Number  590
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
4  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
8  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
10  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
11  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:37:45 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

Avoid the USB cable modem at all cost ! demand the ethernet one.

If you stick with the existing OS/2 PC as your interface to the internet, it is better
to have two network cards, however the firewall can be configured to work on only one,
which has two different IP addresses and subnets bound to it. Details again at the FX
communications website.

If you don't use a separate PC (or "black box"), the PC you are using is less
protected from the internet "nasties" as you don't get the separation that a proper
firewall gives.

I'd personally go the "black box" direction - D-Link are usually a good product for
the price. Expect to pay about AUS$270 for a suitable device.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Andrew Otte wrote:

> ** Reply to message from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> on Fri, 11
> Apr 2003 14:27:15 +1000 (EST)
>
> John,
> Thanks for the help.
> Yes all is clear - I had not understood that 2 NIC's could be a solution.
> I can boot to Win2k on my OS/2 box - so I would get the installation done
> on there - get it working - then set it all up on OS/2.
> I do not have a spare PCI slot on my OS/2 box for the extra NIC.  Would a
> USB cable modem work with OS/2?
>
> Andrew Otte
> Associate Pastor
> City Tabernacle Baptist Church
> Brisbane, Australia

>  


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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:53:46 +1000
From:  "Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

** Reply to message from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> on Fri, 11
Apr 2003 20:26:26 +1000 (EST)

Wow,
Thanks for all the help everyone.
For your information I grew up in Adelaide (still support the Crows
although the Lions have been somewhat successful).
My Church is in the city of Brisbane.  163 Wickham Tce, Brisbane, 4000.

Am hearing that:-
1. I should avoid a USB modem with OS/2
2. For me a black box option may be worthwhile.  Although I have had very
happy use of Injoy dial up for some time I have the firewall Beta installed
and one look at it left me swimming.  If the black box can take care of
things I would be happy to pay more.  Also it would be of use to me because
I do not have my OS/2 box on all the time to take care of the IP forwarding.

because i have no more PCI slots for another NIC in my OS/2 box can I have
a black box that will take the cable or ADSL line in one end - then allow
each PC to plug in and share the internet and at the same time allow the
PC's to talk as peers?  So far I am hearing the answer as yes.
3. The ADSL/ Cable question is one of availability and cost.

Thaks again for all of the help.  It is getting a little harder to stay
away from the MS world for me.

Andrew Otte
Associate Pastor
City Tabernacle Baptist Church
Brisbane, Australia
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:10:53 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

G'day Andrew,

On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:53:46 +1000, Andrew Otte wrote:
>** Reply to message from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> on Fri, 11
>Apr 2003 20:26:26 +1000 (EST)
>
>Thanks for all the help everyone.
That's what we're here for ;)

>For your information I grew up in Adelaide (still support the Crows
>although the Lions have been somewhat successful).
I'll forgive the support of the Crows - even though I'm a Power man!!

>Am hearing that:-
>1. I should avoid a USB modem with OS/2
Definitely - you want an ethernet model.

>2. For me a black box option may be worthwhile.  Although I have had very
>happy use of Injoy dial up for some time I have the firewall Beta installed
>and one look at it left me swimming.  If the black box can take care of
>things I would be happy to pay more.  Also it would be of use to me because
>I do not have my OS/2 box on all the time to take care of the IP forwarding.
Exactly - that's why I went with a DSL-504 modem/router

>because i have no more PCI slots for another NIC in my OS/2 box can I have
>a black box that will take the cable or ADSL line in one end - then allow
>each PC to plug in and share the internet and at the same time allow the
>PC's to talk as peers?  So far I am hearing the answer as yes.
Yes - this is exactly what I do.

A couple of options for a "black box" solution:
Billion 4 port ADSL modem & router $249 
http://www.pcrange.biz/index.php?page=na_adslr&id=1

D-Link 4 port ADSL modem & router $399 
http://www.ht dot com dot au/Scripts/xworks.exe?PART:C7593#Tof

>3. The ADSL/ Cable question is one of availability and cost.
Whilst Cable is faster - I find ADSL better value for money.  With Cable - the only provider is 
Telstra or Optus.  With ADSL there are plenty of retail providers providing freedom of choice 
and a more competitive environment.

I'm very happy with Internode's offering - it largely comes down to how much you expect 
to download.  Internode's flatrate offering is great as instead of excess data charges, your 
speed gets throttled.

>Thaks again for all of the help.  It is getting a little harder to stay
>away from the MS world for me.
Using WIn2k all day at work is enough to keep me away - but I don't think GM is going to 
move away from MS anytime soon!!

Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:15:56 +1000
From:  "Alan Heiser" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

Andrew

We are using the Telstar supplied ADSL modem into a Netgear RP-114 router
($268.28 when we bought it last July).  Router has 4 ports (not enough for us so that 
feeds a Netgear Switch) into which you can plug each machine.

This will give each PC direct internet access through a hardware firewall and allow your 
peer to peer network to continue as before.

Turned out to be quite easy to set up, but i can lend a hand if you need it.

Regards

Alan Heiser

>It is getting a little harder to stay away from the MS world for me.

But keep trying!

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:04:38 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:10:53 +0950 (CST), Paul Smedley wrote:

>G'day Andrew,
>
>On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:53:46 +1000, Andrew Otte wrote:
>>** Reply to message from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> on Fri, 11
>>Apr 2003 20:26:26 +1000 (EST)
>>
>>Thanks for all the help everyone.
>That's what we're here for ;)

See - the list works! <g>

>>For your information I grew up in Adelaide (still support the Crows
>>although the Lions have been somewhat successful).
>I'll forgive the support of the Crows - even though I'm a Power man!!

'Scuse me but I think religion is off-topic in this list<GD&R>

>>Am hearing that:-

[chomp] confirmations of quality advice given...

>
>>3. The ADSL/ Cable question is one of availability and cost.
>Whilst Cable is faster - I find ADSL better value for money.  With Cable - the only provider is 
>Telstra or Optus.  With ADSL there are plenty of retail providers providing freedom of choice 
>and a more competitive environment.
>
>I'm very happy with Internode's offering - it largely comes down to how much you expect 
>to download.  Internode's flatrate offering is great as instead of excess data charges, your 
>speed gets throttled.

Ah, sounds just like the Optus Cable.

I believe another ADSL advantage is that your line is your own, whereas
Cable is shared with everybody up and down the street watching the cricket.


>
>>Thaks again for all of the help.  It is getting a little harder to stay
>>away from the MS world for me.
>Using WIn2k all day at work is enough to keep me away - but I don't think GM is going to 
>move away from MS anytime soon!!

Is that some modern style of aversion therapy, Paul?


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:32:02 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

I also lived in Adelaide for over 5 years before moving to Sydney - GO THE CROWS !!

Using the blackbox (D-Link or other) solution:

  If it doesn't have a cable or ADSL modem built in (most likely), the route is as
follows:

Cable (be it television or telephone) comes into house and into Broadband modem.

Ethernet port on modem goes to input ethernet port of "black box" (you may need a
"cross over"
cable for this - check the doco with the "black box").

Output ethernet port of black box goes to your hub/switch (again could need a straight
or a cross-over cable - read the doco).  (ignore this step if black box has built in
switch).

All home PCs plug into hub or switch and use the connection whenever needed.

Configuration points - all PCs to have their default route / default gateway set to
the output port of the black box instead of your OS/2 box. Black box is configured via
any browser from any of the connected PCs - you will need to know what you want to
make the IP address of the output port on the black box and possibly also the DNS
addresses of your ISP (Telstra / Optus / Internode etc.) Domain name servers although
this might be transferred down automatically.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Andrew Otte wrote:

> because i have no more PCI slots for another NIC in my OS/2 box can I have
> a black box that will take the cable or ADSL line in one end - then allow
> each PC to plug in and share the internet and at the same time allow the
> PC's to talk as peers?  So far I am hearing the answer as yes.

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:43:10 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:04:38 +1000 (EST), John Angelico wrote:
>>I'm very happy with Internode's offering - it largely comes down to how much you 
expect 
>>to download.  Internode's flatrate offering is great as instead of excess data charges, 
your 
>>speed gets throttled.
>
>Ah, sounds just like the Optus Cable.

Yeah except on Optus cable, you get throttled down to 28.8k speeds after 3 gig.

With Internode, the throttling depends on a) how much you've downloaded and b) how 
many users are also downloading.  There's a much better explanation of how it works at 
http://adsl.internode.on dot net/faq/padsl-flatrate.htm#flatrate6 But on 512k ADSL, I don't 
think my speed has ever dropped below 10 k/s even when I've downloaded over 10 gb of 
data.

Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:02:37 +1000
From:  "Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

** Reply to message from "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info> on Sat, 12 Apr
2003 15:43:10 +0950 (CST)

Thanks for all of the help everyone,
I am settled in my mind to get a modem/router box.  The specs you see on
the net for them are pretty impressive.  
I will now start shopping for the best price/availability options for cable
or ADSL.

Andrew Otte
Associate Pastor
City Tabernacle Baptist Church
Brisbane, Australia
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:02:57 +1000
From:  "Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

** Reply to message from "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info> on Sat, 12 Apr
2003 15:43:10 +0950 (CST)

Thanks for all of the help everyone,
I am settled in my mind to get a modem/router box.  The specs you see on
the net for them are pretty impressive.  
I will now start shopping for the best price/availability options for cable
or ADSL.

Andrew Otte
Associate Pastor
City Tabernacle Baptist Church
Brisbane, Australia
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:03:02 +1000
From:  "Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

** Reply to message from "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info> on Sat, 12 Apr
2003 15:43:10 +0950 (CST)

Thanks for all of the help everyone,
I am settled in my mind to get a modem/router box.  The specs you see on
the net for them are pretty impressive.  
I will now start shopping for the best price/availability options for cable
or ADSL.

Andrew Otte
Associate Pastor
City Tabernacle Baptist Church
Brisbane, Australia
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:03:07 +1000
From:  "Andrew Otte" <citytabn-aotte at powerup dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

** Reply to message from "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info> on Sat, 12 Apr
2003 15:43:10 +0950 (CST)

Thanks for all of the help everyone,
I am settled in my mind to get a modem/router box.  The specs you see on
the net for them are pretty impressive.  
I will now start shopping for the best price/availability options for cable
or ADSL.

Andrew Otte
Associate Pastor
City Tabernacle Baptist Church
Brisbane, Australia
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:26:11 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cable/ADSL and hardware?

The standard (AUS$54) deal advertised on the TV at the moment is only 550MB, then it goes
down to 28.8kbs speed, there are hower, several different "plans" from all suppliers.

Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:04:38 +1000 (EST), John Angelico wrote:
> >>I'm very happy with Internode's offering - it largely comes down to how much you
> expect
> >>to download.  Internode's flatrate offering is great as instead of excess data charges,
> your
> >>speed gets throttled.
> >
> >Ah, sounds just like the Optus Cable.
>
> Yeah except on Optus cable, you get throttled down to 28.8k speeds after 3 gig.
>
> With Internode, the throttling depends on a) how much you've downloaded and b) how
> many users are also downloading.  There's a much better explanation of how it works at
> http://adsl.internode.on dot net/faq/padsl-flatrate.htm#flatrate6 But on 512k ADSL, I don't
> think my speed has ever dropped below 10 k/s even when I've downloaded over 10 gb of
> data.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul.
>

>  


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