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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:01:37 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Attatchments

Hmmm

ok, looks like I will have to get the attatchment filter up
and running, that richtext file was over 900K in size,
sent out to 70 people, over a 128K ISDN line, ie,
lets say 1Mb per person, equals 70Mb in total, the
ISDN line can handle 15Kb/s as long as no other poor
persons trying to access the website(s).

<<-I've removed the attachment for the digest->>

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:50:09 +1100
Subject: [os2genau] Is this correct?

g'day again,
        Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne
<http://www.pr.uoguelph.ca/cpayne/planet.htm> and was wondering if what he
has written is correct.

Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). 

If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
is actually owned by them.

Mark
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mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 03:23:12 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

Hi Mark

>Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
>of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
>owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). 

Yes, MS does own part of the code for the PM interface, as well
as the peer/lan requester code for OS/2.

>If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
>better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
>is actually owned by them.

Yes but even though they own part of it, they relinquished the rights
to it "conditionally", they cant use it, IBM cant publicly release the code.

Making a big generalisation here :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:23:03 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] large HD archive spanning mutliple CDRs ?

is anyone archiving to CDRs with RSJ ?

what do you use ?
what's the syntax ? 

can each CD be individually selectively un-archived ?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:58:37 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] multiple PPP not supported anymore ....?

I am having a prob running multipe PPPs on W451 CP1;

on W4, if I launch multiple 'PPP comX'

it starts:

Linking: ppp0 <--> com1

next, followed by

Linking: ppp1 <--> com2

(as expected)

BUT, on Warp451; the next PPP invocation is STILL ppp0 failing with:

then, it tries to start SAME PPP:

warn   : Unable to create primary ppp0 semaphore..utilities may fail
warn   : Unable to create ppp0 com_pause semaphore
warn   : Unable to create ppp0 com_paused semaphore
warn   : Unable to create ppp0 com_continue semaphore
error  : Error u creating named pipe
error  : Error u connecting named pipe

notice : Linking: ppp0 <--> com2
error  : DosAllocSharedMem Failed rc= 183

info   : Terminating link.

Exiting...

any ideas ....?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:57:38 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

In <200106270323.00002CELatmail.>, on 06/27/01 
   at 03:23 AM, "Ian Manners" <deadmail> said:

>Hi Mark

>>Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
>>of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
>>owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). 

>Yes, MS does own part of the code for the PM interface, as well as the
>peer/lan requester code for OS/2.

Now that makes it clear why I have had so much problem getting my home
network working. Only M$ would make connecting two different computers so
difficult.

Mark

>>If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
>>better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
>>is actually owned by them.

>Yes but even though they own part of it, they relinquished the rights to
>it "conditionally", they cant use it, IBM cant publicly release the code.

>Making a big generalisation here :-)

>Cheers
>Ian B Manners

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mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 10:57 AM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:29:12 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] ISO images & RSJ 2.84

Hi,
Will RSJ 2.84 do ISO images?
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:37:07 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISO images & RSJ 2.84

Hi Daryl,

Do you want to CREATE an ISO image or do you want to burn a CD, FROM
a ISO image.?

To burn a CD, first rename the ISO to "track01.trk" and put it in the "TRACKS"
sub directory that RSJ's CD View uses.  Then use CD View as normal to copy from
the Hard Drive to the CD Recorder.


However, to CREATE an ISO is a little bit different.
Use CD View to copy a CD to the hard disk. 

NOW you have to use a utility to remove the first 40 bytes from the beginning 
of the file, otherwise RSJ MIGHT be the ONLY program able to read the file.!

I got the utility from http://vv.os2.dhs dot org at:-
http://vv.os2.dhs dot org/prog/myprogs/trk2iso.rar

I should also state that I have NEVER used this utility and have NEVER
had the need to create an ISO image.  I have burnt CD's from linux
ISO images though.

Hope this helps.
BobT.


On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:29:12 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>Hi,
>Will RSJ 2.84 do ISO images?
>-- 
>Regards, 
>
>Daryl  Pilkington 

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:14:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] large HD archive spanning mutliple CDRs ?

Hi Voytek,

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:23:03, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>is anyone archiving to CDRs with RSJ ?

Yes.

>what do you use ?

Two methods.

One is to use infozip to zip the entire partition to a zip file on another
partition. If the zip is too big for a CD then I COPY it to somewhere else,
(I have LOTS of room) and with file commander I go into the zip file and mark 
the directories I wish to remove from the zip file.   
I then open the OTHER zip file and mark all the directories
OTHER than the ones I removed from the FIRST zip file.

Of course this takes time and CARE.!  Good for setting up and go and watch the X-Files
on TV etc.  You also have to have a good working knowledge of the SIZES of
your directories and file structures etc.  You could also selectively use 
infozip by way of a batch (cmd) file and selectively zipup ONLY the directories
you want, but that takes a lot of time to setup unless you aim to backup regularly.
The danger of this method is that you must update to batch file to reflect
your backup requirements and it would be easy to forget and then lose something.


The second method is to use DriveImage 4 from a DOS boot floppy and tell it to limit
the file size to 670mb (million bytes I think, not megabytes) or some such.  
It will create multiple copies with the same NAME but different extensions. 
The first file always has the ".PQI" extension and the next will have ".002" etc.


Whichever way you do it, you then copy the files to CD.

>what's the syntax ? 

???

>can each CD be individually selectively un-archived ?

With the zip method, Yes.

With the Size limited DriveImage 4 method, no.
You would need ALL the files to get ANYTHING at all.
And you would have to install to a blank hard disk
to get anything out of the backup, UNLESS the backed up partition
was fat or fat32 AND you booted from Windows AND used DriveImage
edit software to access the image files.  Even then you would need
ALL of the images, lose 1 CD and you are right royally stuffed mate.!

[please excuse my french :)]


RSJ supports commandline operation with ALL of its functionality available.

What is needed is a program of some sort to be able to select files to backup,
zipup on the fly to fill a cd, finalize the CD, eject the CD and prompt the 
operator for another CD and then continue with the backup.

This sort of thing is quite possible and is available in windows, but not 
(I think) in Os/2.  I hope I am wrong here.


Hope this helps.
BobT.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:28:56 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] CD Burning with DirectCD

Hi Gavin,
Direct CD is a proprietary format and can only be read from windows machines.
Useless if you need a file from Os/2 or linux.!

Do not use Direct CD.

Use easy CD Creator instead.  They are both bundled together and most people
just install Easy CD Creator and give the Direct CD a big miss.

As far as I have been able to work out, Direct CD is a means of enabling incremental
writes to the CD blank. This means you can keep adding files until the CD is full.
Keep adding day after day and finalise at the end, you can remove the CD without
having to finalise.  Of course, until the cd is finalised, you can only access
the files on the CD when it is in a CD recorder AND with Direct CD installed AND 
running under windows 9x.

There is no equivalent under os/2 that I know of.

The only thing Direct CD doesn't do is BARK (other than not work very well,
of course). 

Regards,
BobT.


On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I don't have a burner at home so I've been using the one at work.  A problem that has been occuring is disks 
>not working properly under anything but Win98.  I don't have Win98 either.  Is anyone familier with the 
>DirectCD program so CD's can be read by OS/2 without errors.
>
>Some CD's have worked perfectly while others have not, but it's getting a bit too expensive to keep burning 
>until one works.
>
>Cheers
>Gavin

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:08:14 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT
the PM interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface
can be used on Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on
OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3

Ed.

mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> g'day again,
>         Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne
> <http://www.pr.uoguelph.ca/cpayne/planet.htm> and was wondering if what he
> has written is correct.
> 
> Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
> of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
> owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS).
> 
> If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
> better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
> is actually owned by them.
> 
> Mark
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM
> -----------
> "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
> of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
> Mark Farnham
> Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Stan Pallis" <spallisatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Attatchments
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:19:31 +1000

Of course I did not consider that, not that I knew.  Any how I'll keep that
in mind next time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Manners [mailto:ianatos2 dot org dot au]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2001 1:02 AM
To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
Subject: [os2genau] Attatchments

Hmmm

ok, looks like I will have to get the attatchment filter up
and running, that richtext file was over 900K in size,
sent out to 70 people, over a 128K ISDN line, ie,
lets say 1Mb per person, equals 70Mb in total, the
ISDN line can handle 15Kb/s as long as no other poor
persons trying to access the website(s).


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:07:42 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct?

Hi Ed,
         It must be my fascination with history that makes me want know
about about such archaic topics, but having never seen any of the early
versions of OS/2, would mind explain what the PM inteface is/was. 
        You say we could use it on Warp, but would that be instead of
using the Workplace shell? How would one go about doing it? (just out
morbid curiousity) And would I be correct in thinking of it in the same
context as win3.1?
      
    Thanks 

Mark
       In <3B39B08E.71282EADatbigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/27/01 
   at 08:08 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

>Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT the PM
>interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface can be used on
>Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3

>Ed.

>mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:
>> 
>> g'day again,
>>         Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne
>> <http://www.pr.uoguelph.ca/cpayne/planet.htm> and was wondering if what he
>> has written is correct.
>> 
>> Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department
>> of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still
>> owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS).
>> 
>> If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes
>> better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was
>> is actually owned by them.
>> 
>> Mark
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
>> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM
>> -----------
>> "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
>> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
>> of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
>> Mark Farnham
>> Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 11:07 PM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
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