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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930
From: Andrew Hood <hoodtooatiprimus dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk

Hello all,

I was given a copy of Red Hat 6.2 Linux which I was trying to install to try it
out.  I managed to get it on one of my disks but I forgot to put it in my boot
manager and when I tried to start fdisk (from either install floppies or fp15)
it crashed with a trap 000d.

I figure that it is probably the linux partitions that it doesn't like and I
will need to delete them with the linux fdisk before it will work again.  I
wonder if I make all the necessary partitions with OS/2 fdisk then format them
with linux will work without frying something?

Any help / comments etc appreciated

Andrew Hood

PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller
systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me
install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4
Gig one at the start.  What a pain!

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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:59:07 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk

** Reply to note from Andrew Hood <hoodtooatiprimus dot com dot au> Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930


> PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller 
> systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me 
> install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4 
> Gig one at the start.  What a pain!

well, if you install just as character mode, it will fit on anything;
if you do a full install, with X, etc:

YES, it does take MORE HD;
YES, IT DOES TAKE MORE GRUNT to run than OS/2.

the same hardware that I can run OS/2 with PM more than adequately, Linux
*with* X is like cold molasses....

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!! Fried fdisk
From: "Brad Van Eps/NCO/CEtv" <BradVanEpsataustar dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:12:22 +1000


Hi,

     If you can get hold of it, give PowerQuest's "PartitionMagic" a shot
as it supports HPFS, EXT2 as well as IBM's Boot Manager.  I have used this
quite sucessfully in the past to sort out a mess of Windoze, OS/2 and Linux
partitions, selectable by Boot Manager, on the one machine.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 Brad van Eps, B.Eng      Senior DBA
 Database Administration group
 Austar Communications
 Gold Coast, QLD
 Ph: (075) 557 5630       Fax: (075) 574 1417
 E-mail: bradvanepsataustar dot com dot au

 OS/2 Zealot!
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                    Andrew Hood                                                                      
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                                         Subject:     [os2genau] Help!! Fried fdisk                  
                    10/31/2001                                                                       
                    06:32 AM                                                                         
                    Please respond                                                                   
                    to os2genau                                                                      
                                                                                                     
                                                                                                     




Hello all,

I was given a copy of Red Hat 6.2 Linux which I was trying to install to
try it
out.  I managed to get it on one of my disks but I forgot to put it in my
boot
manager and when I tried to start fdisk (from either install floppies or
fp15)
it crashed with a trap 000d.

I figure that it is probably the linux partitions that it doesn't like and
I
will need to delete them with the linux fdisk before it will work again.  I
wonder if I make all the necessary partitions with OS/2 fdisk then format
them
with linux will work without frying something?

Any help / comments etc appreciated

Andrew Hood






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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:00:28 +1100 (EST)
From: John Wildgoose <johnwildatlaurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk


On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from Andrew Hood <hoodtooatiprimus dot com dot au> Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930
> 
> 
> > PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller 
> > systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me 
> > install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4 
> > Gig one at the start.  What a pain!

Be careful not to confuse the distribution with the operating system. I
use Caldera dist and can fit quite happily onto approx 350Mb, but you have
to not install all the apps and tools. This is not a major problem as you
can generally get a subset that does ok, and anyway if you need more they
can be mounted and installed onto another disk.

I have linux and os/2 running on a P200.

I used the linux fdisk as it supports a greater range of partition types,
but I installed the os/2 bootmanager (this means that I initially boot to
the os/2 boot manager then select os/2 or linux (default is last one
used), if choosing linux I then get lilo which lets me choose from linux
and or windows).

jaw





> 
> well, if you install just as character mode, it will fit on anything;
> if you do a full install, with X, etc:
> 
> YES, it does take MORE HD;
> YES, IT DOES TAKE MORE GRUNT to run than OS/2.
> 
> the same hardware that I can run OS/2 with PM more than adequately, Linux
> *with* X is like cold molasses....
> 
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
> 

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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:05:02 +1100 (EST)
From: John Wildgoose <johnwildatlaurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!! Fried fdisk

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Brad Van Eps/NCO/CEtv wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
>      If you can get hold of it, give PowerQuest's "PartitionMagic" a shot
> as it supports HPFS, EXT2 as well as IBM's Boot Manager.  I have used this
> quite sucessfully in the past to sort out a mess of Windoze, OS/2 and Linux
> partitions, selectable by Boot Manager, on the one machine.

PartitionMagic is good for this, but I think you may need the full
commercial version as I think the cut down free versions you get with the
newers linux dists assume you have windows to start from, and do not
provide all the features to do a self configured install.

jaw


> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>  Brad van Eps, B.Eng      Senior DBA
>  Database Administration group
>  Austar Communications
>  Gold Coast, QLD
>  Ph: (075) 557 5630       Fax: (075) 574 1417
>  E-mail: bradvanepsataustar dot com dot au
> 
>  OS/2 Zealot!
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                                                                      
>                     Andrew Hood                                                                      
>                     <hoodtooatiprim       To:     os2genau <deadmail>                      
>                     us dot com dot au>           cc:                                                         
>                                          Subject:     [os2genau] Help!! Fried fdisk                  
>                     10/31/2001                                                                       
>                     06:32 AM                                                                         
>                     Please respond                                                                   
>                     to os2genau                                                                      
>                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                      
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I was given a copy of Red Hat 6.2 Linux which I was trying to install to
> try it
> out.  I managed to get it on one of my disks but I forgot to put it in my
> boot
> manager and when I tried to start fdisk (from either install floppies or
> fp15)
> it crashed with a trap 000d.
> 
> I figure that it is probably the linux partitions that it doesn't like and
> I
> will need to delete them with the linux fdisk before it will work again.  I
> wonder if I make all the necessary partitions with OS/2 fdisk then format
> them
> with linux will work without frying something?
> 
> Any help / comments etc appreciated
> 
> Andrew Hood
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:55:55 +0800
From: Bob <bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> ** Reply to note from Andrew Hood <hoodtooatiprimus dot com dot au> Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930
> 
> > PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller
> > systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me
> > install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4
> > Gig one at the start.  What a pain!
> 
> well, if you install just as character mode, it will fit on anything;
> if you do a full install, with X, etc:
> 
> YES, it does take MORE HD;
> YES, IT DOES TAKE MORE GRUNT to run than OS/2.
> 
> the same hardware that I can run OS/2 with PM more than adequately, Linux
> *with* X is like cold molasses....
> 
> Voytek Eymont


This is one of those "how long is a piece of string" questions. 

It very much depends on what distribution you're installing and how you
go about installing it.I have a very old 486 laptop [1] 200Mb disk and
8Mb ram that has RH6.1 on it. Yes I _do_ run X ! but I sure as eggs
don't even consider Gnome or KDE as a windows manager ( FYI I run
afterstep which is gnome enabled so I don't miss out on too many goodies
:). I think the big trick is to grit your teeth and choose expert mode
to install with and then be very ruthless in what you don't install when
asked what packages you want to have.

The other problem may be ( sorry if this has been covered, I only just
discovered the thread) that your bios is unable to boot beyond 1024 cyl. 


[1] why bother do I hear? 1/ because its there :). 2/ so I can d/l from
my digicam while on the road.

-- 
Bob.

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:20:08 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk

Hi Andrew,

Yes, making the ALL the partitions with os/2's fdisk is better 
than using linux's fdisk.  

Partition Magic upto version 6.01 is ok also, but NOT the most 
recent version which is currently v7.0.  
They have dropped the HPFS support in the v7.0 version.

However, note that Partition Magic will try to convert any
extended partition into the Microsoft Extended-X type.
And this will upset Os/2's fdisk and possibly, Linux also.
Partition Magic 6 will ASK you IF you want to "upgrade"
the extended partition to Extended-X and give you the option of 
refusing. But Partition Magic "Proffessional" v6.01 will not even ask. 
It just goes ahead and converts it anyway.   Very unhelpfull.

No command line switches are provided to be able to turn this
"feature" off, either.  :(

Partition Magic has a utility that you have to copy to a floppy
disk called ptedit.exe.  This is a Partition Table editor
that will enable you to change the "TYPE" of the Extended Partition
to the standard type, expected by os/2 and (probably) linux.

Personally, I do not use Partition Magic from windows, but prefer
to boot from floppy or from Win9x DOS and run from there.  

Same goes for the ptedit.
In the case of Ptedit ONLY, load it AFTER your dos mouse driver as
ptedit it requires a mouse to use effectively.

A working knowledge of the layout of a hard disk is required.
I recommend practicing on a spare hard disk first. 
And if using a ide/scsi mix of hard drives note that Ptedit
will often (always in MY experience) list scsi drives BEFORE
the ide ones.  Even if the ide are first.


The reason for some problems with linux's fdisk type utility
is that linux numbers partitions in the ORDER in which they are
CREATED. 
This MAY cause problems when you later on use os/2 fdisk
and definitely if you later on use any version of Partition Magic.

So CREATE partitions with Os/2 fdisk and then when installing
linux, format those partitions from within the linux install
program.

Good luck.

Regards
Robert Traynor (BobT)
    31 October 2001


On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930, Andrew Hood wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I was given a copy of Red Hat 6.2 Linux which I was trying to install to try it
> out.  I managed to get it on one of my disks but I forgot to put it in my boot
> manager and when I tried to start fdisk (from either install floppies or fp15)
> it crashed with a trap 000d.
> 
> I figure that it is probably the linux partitions that it doesn't like and I
> will need to delete them with the linux fdisk before it will work again.  I
> wonder if I make all the necessary partitions with OS/2 fdisk then format them
> with linux will work without frying something?
> 
> Any help / comments etc appreciated
> 
> Andrew Hood
> 
> PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller
> systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me
> install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4
> Gig one at the start.  What a pain!

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Scanners and eCS
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:17:53 +1100

Hi everyone,

I have removed eCS and gone back to Warp 4 as I am unable to get my scanner
to work on eCS.
I have a HP 4P scanner and use Copyshop to access it. After installing eCS
I installed Copyshop but although the startup screen showed that eCS had
found the scanner Copyshop was unable to access it.

Does anyone else use Copyshop and if so have they been able to get it
working on eCS?

Regards,

Alan Duval  <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>

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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 05:34:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk

Hi Andrew,

The trick here is to plan ahead.  It maybe too late to save your partitions and will have 
to create them again from scratch to stop your trap 000d (if you can't use partition 
magic.).  If you can boot OS/2, do so and try fdisk to see if will work first.  

OS/2's fdisk can and will work if you create the partition you want Linux on and format it 
as HPFS or FAT from OS/2.  DO NOT add that to the boot manager just yet.  Install Red 
Hat using the advanced install and change the partition type to Linux Native with linux 
fdsik.  Don't forget to save this to the table before exiting the Linux fdisk.  Proceed with 
the installation.  For me, It worked better without manually mounting drives and letting 
Linux do all that.  Make sure you install LILO on the new linux partition and NOT the 
primary boot partition of your hard disk.  After you've finnished installing Red Hat and 
made sure it works, you should be able to restart your machine and Boot manager 
should popup.  Boot OS/2 and run fdisk.  Your Linux partition will be split into three (if you 
let Linux set it up for you).  Choose the partition you install Linux on and add that to 
bootmanager.  That should do it.

Hope this helps.
Gavin

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930, Andrew Hood wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I was given a copy of Red Hat 6.2 Linux which I was trying to install to try it
>out.  I managed to get it on one of my disks but I forgot to put it in my boot
>manager and when I tried to start fdisk (from either install floppies or fp15)
>it crashed with a trap 000d.
>
>I figure that it is probably the linux partitions that it doesn't like and I
>will need to delete them with the linux fdisk before it will work again.  I
>wonder if I make all the necessary partitions with OS/2 fdisk then format them
>with linux will work without frying something?
>
>Any help / comments etc appreciated
>
>Andrew Hood
>
>PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller
>systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me
>install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4
>Gig one at the start.  What a pain!
>

10==============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:34:24 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Help!!  Fried fdisk

Hi, not sure what happened to my earlier post, but
Partitioning with os/2's fdisk provides best results.
I have not had problems using linux's fdisk and os/2, even on same disk
but;
   linux could not be added to BM menu unless partitioned and first
formatted 
     with os/2.
   linux changed BM from the startup partition and had to reset
startable.
     This was ok as I always set C: as bootable dos (TO BE SURE, TO BE
SURE).
There are also issues with booting, cylinder limits, >2gig, bios things
which
it pays to read about. I have linux on my 4th drive on this machine and
use loadlin to boot as the bios won't (mix of ide & scsi, int 13 thing)

I have also used ptedit to recover an os/2, nt drive that nt screwed.
Nerve racking but logical and straight forward. Without changing
anything you can at least see the cause of the problem. Practising on a
spare drive is good. Partition and format it the way you think the bung
drive is and compare the structures.
Read the ptedit info regarding partition boundaries as the bigest
trouble I have had with nt/linux and os/2 is ptedit reporting
overlapping boundries.

steve


On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:02:41 +0930, Andrew Hood wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I was given a copy of Red Hat 6.2 Linux which I was trying to install to try it
>out.  I managed to get it on one of my disks but I forgot to put it in my boot
>manager and when I tried to start fdisk (from either install floppies or fp15)
>it crashed with a trap 000d.
>
>I figure that it is probably the linux partitions that it doesn't like and I
>will need to delete them with the linux fdisk before it will work again.  I
>wonder if I make all the necessary partitions with OS/2 fdisk then format them
>with linux will work without frying something?
>
>Any help / comments etc appreciated
>
>Andrew Hood
>
>PS:  for an operating system that is meant to be able to run on older smaller
>systems Linux is a big bloated piece of software.  The bloody thing won't let me
>install it on a 1 Gig disk at the end of my disk chain so I had to carve up a 4
>Gig one at the start.  What a pain!

11==============================================

From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:51:52 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Scanners and eCS

Hi Alan,
If you can ZIP up CopyShop & email it to me directly, I can test eCS &
CopyShop with  my HP 4p.

Please also ZIP up your config.sys & send that too.

eCS & PMSane works fine with my HP 4p.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:17:53 +1100, Alan Duval wrote:

>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I have removed eCS and gone back to Warp 4 as I am unable to get my scanner
>to work on eCS.
>I have a HP 4P scanner and use Copyshop to access it. After installing eCS
>I installed Copyshop but although the startup screen showed that eCS had
>found the scanner Copyshop was unable to access it.
>
>Does anyone else use Copyshop and if so have they been able to get it
>working on eCS?
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:02:05 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Scanners and eCS

Hi,
  I also have tales of wo with eCs !  In fact I think the problems I had
 are not related to the base OS but rather some of the additional 
drivers and apps one can install.

  In my case I cleared a partition on my existing OS/2 WP4 FP15 machine,
so that I could perform a true comparison (ie on the same hardware). I 
had problems initially installing eCs but this was solved by deleting 
the partition completly and creating and long formatting it during the
 eCs install.

 Once installed eCs ran like a DOG ! I've had faster response, remote
 controlling a system over a 2400 Baud dial-up link ! So it obviously 
didn't like something in my system - I suspect the Trio 64 3D Video, but 
before I tried installing different drivers, I decided to boot my normal 
Warp partition and check the system itself was OK.  Horror of horrors - 
the boot stopped with the "OS/2 can operate your floppy or harddisk 
error" !  I tried all the usual CHKDSK, ALT+F1 restore archive "tricks"
 all to no avail and I have ended up having to re-install my main
OS partition. So I'm now running OS/2 Warp 4 Convienience pack 1 at FP1.

 What I suspect happened, and this is what may also be relevant to your
problem, Alan, is that eCs installed the Dani series of drivers
replacing the standard IBM ones. If these are not installed correctly, 
they can cause access to stop to both IDE and SCSI/ATAPI devices. Guess 
what ! It appears the install procedure for these not only install to
the partition you are installing to, but also to C: - hence my problems
!


At this stage, it's probably best to install eCs on to a separate
 machine, as some of the "add-ons" do seem to be less than perfectly
 behaved !

As we say, one lives and learns !

Cheers/2

Ed.

Alan Duval wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have removed eCS and gone back to Warp 4 as I am unable to get my scanner
> to work on eCS.
