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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 05:24:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] SCOUG

This page WILL be changed very shortly :-)

http://www.scoug dot com/os24u/2001/scoug006.ecs.html

This page is more accurate !

http://www.scoug dot com/lastmeeting.html

Cheers
Ian B Manners

2=============================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:50:11 -0700
From: Jerry Garren <jgarrenatgarrenteed dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

I copied Alan's msg to Bob St.John of eCS for his info.

His response follows.

Jerry Garren

-----------------


On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 Bob St.John wrote:

I tried to submit a response .. but it got bounced because I'm not a
member ... here it is ..

Time out. Folks are free to do as they please .. but don't believe
everything you read (and only half of what you see).

What was demonstrated at the SCOUG meeting as the latest drop of the
preview, 3.20c as I recall. It was created around May 16.  The GA
tracks are being uploaded at this time ... I mean, "as we speak". Even
then, these tracks will be tested for failures and GA will not ship if
the testing is not successful. I have every reason to believe testing
will be successful. 

Keep in mind that http://www.scoug dot com/lastmeeting.html, an item at the
same meeting, was much more favorable. And over half the people
attending the meeting ordered the product.. I found that particularly
interesting because many of the SCOUG members had already purchased
eCS. So .. things could not have been all that bad.  And .. the proof
is in the pudding. By the end of the month, thousands of copies will
have been shipped. It won't be too hard to see where the pot holes are,
how big they are, or how many of them there are. Clearly there will be
some.

>and I was very disappointed to
>read Kim Cheungs suggestion that we could migrate to Windows instead as > > IBM
>were not very cooperative and Lotus wasn't developing Smartsuite for OS/2
>any further and that it ran better under Windows anyhow.

I think you would have a right to be disappointed. That is, if Kim ever
said any of those things. Peter Skye said those things. Not Kim. And ..
even coming out of Peter's mouth .. they are not true.  I'm Kim's
business partner and part owner of the company. I've known Kim for
years. The comments you are making are not Kim's views ... and even if
they were ... can you imagine a vendor saying that to an OS/2 UG
meeting?  It doesn't pass the sanity test. Kim didn't say them. I'll
address these comments in a separate note.
I have no problem with this sort of thinking. I'm an old systems
engineer .. and you don't fix things that work.  You don't buy
something  like eCS if you are not trying to solve a problem of some
sort. It is our job as a vendor to motivate people ... to provide
enough value and basic solutions to motivate people to buy. 

As to the hardware ... we will do our best. What more can is say.

Regards,
Bob

Bob St.John
Dir, New Business Development
Serenity Systems International
a Managed Systems company

214 222-3414, ext 101 (outside USA)
888 299-6483, ext 101 (USA only)
http://www.Serenity-Systems dot com

---------------------

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:40:35 -0700, Jerry Garren wrote:

>I have no idea how he arrived at these statements. 

---------------------

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:25:01 +1000, Alan Duval wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>After reading the Voice article from the Southern California OS/2 group I
>don't think i'll be installing eComStation this Saturday. I'll come along
>to the InstallFest and observe and collect my copy but there seems to be
>too many bugs and problems with this release 

>and I was very disappointed to
>read Kim Cheungs suggestion that we could migrate to Windows instead as IBM
>were not very cooperative and Lotus wasn't developing Smartsuite for OS/2
>any further and that it ran better under Windows anyhow.


>I think i'll just stick with my present setup which is stable and has all
>that I need.

3=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:52:29 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] eComStation includes PPPoE client for Telstra ADSL

Hi,

Looks like eCS will contain the F/X PPPoE client.
Note, this is not the full-blown firewall product, which allows LAN
sharing of the Internet connection, NAT & packet filtering.

 Subject: [eCS] F/X InJoy PPPoE and eCS

    Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:42:11 -0000

    From: BStJohnatSerenity-Systems dot com

      To: eComStationatyahoogroups dot com

OK, Bjarne and I have been discussing this and agree that we handled 
our communications poorly. This led to some confusion among the 
users. We want to do the right thing for our customers.

So, we have agreed that F/X PPPoE which is in the product is to be 
considered a fully registered license once eCS is registered. No 
further payment is required. Cost of eCS includes PPPoE.

This ought to end the confusion.

Regards,
Bob St.John

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
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        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:40:27 -0700
From: Jerry Garren <jgarrenatgarrenteed dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] More eCS from Bob St.John

I'm ill at ease doing this because I don't talk right <g> but

here goes.

Jerry Garren

-----------------

Copy of email from Bob St.John of eCS:

Subject: Re: eCS discussion on os2 dot org
   Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:12:08 -0500 (CDT)
   From: "Bob St.John" <BStJohnatSerenity-Systems dot com>
    CC:  ... ... ...  "Jerry Garren" <jgarrenatgarrenteed dot com>

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:54:08 +0100, Haegar wrote:

>Is eCS just a means to get rid of the last OS/2 users in the world?

Of course not. We are an OS/2 vendor. We get revenue from selling OS/2.
We don't sell Windows. We don't do services. Moving people off OS/2
puts us out of business. Selling OS/2 makes revenue and helps the
company grow.

>Background:
>Lately an article on the SCOUG site has initiated a discussion in the
>os2 dot org (german) forum. The article, among some other things, stated
>that eCS would offer a possibility for OS/2 users to more easily migrate
>to Windows. Kim cheung, in a statement concerning that article, has
>stated that in the near future eCS could be running on any platform an
>still be eCS (???).

OK .. I could use your help in getting this word out, then ..
especially on the OS2 dot org (german) forum  and the Australian mailing
list.   Peter Skye did not understand some things Kim said. He may have
heard the words .. but did not seem to understand the real meaning. For
example, Kim told users that it might be smart for them to get the
current versions of the StarOffice for Windows and run those under ODIN
... when it is available, when it works.

He said that because some folks want features which are in or are going
to be in the Windows version of SO. Sun is not enhancing the OS/2
version. Peter did not understand the 'version' issues involved with
SO. That the level of function would be different on the OS/2 and
Windows products. He thought they were the same, so he thought it was
odd to recommend running the Windows version instead of the OS/2
version. He thought Kim wanted people to get used to running Windows
apps. Using this logic, ODIN is a migration tool to ease the transition
of  OS/2 users to Windows .. because it gets people to use Windows
applications. I don't think that is true. I'm just making the point
that this is how Peter saw it.

I talked to Peter about how you could support other OSs on eCS. He had
trouble with the concept of running another OS under OS/2. This can be
done two ways. One would be to use OS/2 as a host and run a vm with
another OS, including Windows ... as was discussed with VMWare. Another
is the "Freedom Card" implementation which permits a user to put a
second PC into the chassis using a single board computer card.  Then,
run one OS on the card, another on the mother board. One is the host
OS, the other is a guest, using virtual device drivers. 

Instead of communicating over the network, like similar PCs on a
network, the two PCs in the same chassis would communicate on the bus.
In this scenario, you use OS/2 as the host .. and the other OS as the
guest. These are things which could be delivered to OS/2 users this
year .. they are not remarkable technologies.

Kim was allowing for a something a couple of years down the road. So,
now think of your OS/2 (or eCS) desktop. You have a folder, "Win32
Apps", "Unix Apps", "Linux Apps", DOS, Java, OS/2, Win3.1 and so forth.
Today, your desktop is hampered by the nature of proprietary APIs. But
suppose you could click on an icon and launch an OS/2 app .. and open a
folder, click on an icon and launch a Win32 app, same for Linux,etc. 
In doing this, the user may have engaged additional hardware, launched
additional OSs including virtual machines. The point is, this could be
made transparent to the user. To the user, they simply launched an
application ... what happened to enable that need not be visible to
them.

I want to get to a desktop which is cross platform ... where the users
don't concern themselves with what happens when the launch an
application. But this cross platform desktop still runs on OS/2 ...
because OS/2 has the architecture to support this type of environment.
It really cannot be done on anything else in use today.

So, you have a cross platform desktop running on OS/2, which is capable
of running multiple OSs .. either inside virtual machines or on
separate hardware inside the same PC. But .. all this is running under
OS/2 .. eCS .. as host. Our very first step in this is our plan to add
HOBLink X/11, the HOBSoft product, to the eCS desktop. We have agreed
to terms to do this with HOBSoft. But there is no time to get this into
the GA product. It will be available to eCS users this summer, though.
This is our first step in extending the eCS ability to support
applications ... but it is an OS/2 application, itself.

Peter Skye called this part of his article "The Road To Windows".  I
have commented that it is more like taking a road and making it wider.
Adding more lanes. Then the eCS-OS/2  users who are enjoying their ride
on this road .. don't have to get off. We have added lanes for their
use .. but they get to stay on the same road.

Regards,
Bob

Bob St.John
Dir, New Business Development
Serenity Systems International
a Managed Systems company

214 222-3414, ext 101 (outside USA)
888 299-6483, ext 101 (USA only)
http://www.Serenity-Systems dot com

5=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:31:56 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

We in Australia should make up our OWN minds once the product is
demonstrated here. 

Mark & Daryl - any comments / schedules apart from the Melbourne
one yet ??

Perhaps once we have a report it can be posted on OS2.ORG.AU 
----->>>> hint hint Greg <:->

Perhaps we could organise a "shoot off" between Warp CP2 + WSOD
and eCs + Wise manager ?? 

Cheers/2

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed and Alan
> 
> This "SCOUG" article is very inaccurate, and has generated a lot
> of heat on the eCS list.

6=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:56:30 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

I'll keep this brief as its easier for others to read then.

I could believe the chip theory on the Epson cartridge, but
Calidad are now producing replacement cartridges so I
wonder how that'll work?

HP 640C has a three colour plus a separate black, just like
the Epson. It was the 600 that used to mix colours - in fact
this printer came as black only and then you bought a colour
kit - which was simply the colour Ink cartridge for it !
I forgot to say you use the 670C driver with the
640 (I think the printer was released under a different 
number in the US).  he supported HP Inkjet printers are:
CopyJet 
DesignJet models: 200 2000CP 220 230 2500CP 250C 3000CP
                         330 3500CP 350C 430 450C 455CA 600
                         600C 650C 650C(v2013_109) 700/PS
                         750C Plus/PS 750C/PS 755CM 
DeskJet models: Deskjet(original) 1100C 1100Cse 1100Cxi
                       1120C 1120Cse 1120Cxi 1125C 1200C 1200CM
                       1220C 1600C 1600CM 2000C 2000Cse 2000Cxi
                       2500C 310 320 340 350 400 420C 500 500C
                       505J 510 520 540 550C 560C 560J 600 600C
                       610C 660C 660CSE 670C 670Cse 670Cxi 670TV
                       672C 680C 682C 690C 692C 693C 694C 695C
                       697C 850C 855C 870C 870Cse 870Cxi 880C 890C
                       895C DeskJet Plus DeskJet Portable 

Can you send me (off-list) an example of a 123 spreadsheet 
that does not print correctly under 1.2.3./2 V 1.5 I'll try it here
under 1.6 and see if there's any difference.
 
Alan Duval wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
 The book says that the inkwells have a chip on the side which monitors
the
> amount of ink in the cartridge and that if you refill them it will show an
> error message.
> Just try to buy  a HP printer and get a driver for it. I think the  640C is
> available but the model I saw uses just one cartridge with the colours and
> black has to be made by combining the colours so it slows the printer down.
> The other models available don't have drivers for OS/2 on the IBM site.
> 
> > On the Smartsuite printing issues - 
> 
> I'm using version 1.5
> 
> Alan
>

7=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:05:02 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] grabbing with CDRecord

And I take it the WAV file is empty at the end of the run ?

Can I suggest you run the pacgdrb2.exe and wrapper.exe
from the command line and see if some errors occur that
Audio-CD-Creator (which is only a GUI front end to these
programs) may mask ?

Perhaps you could use a different program like ALFONS

http://www.algonet.se/~mikkje/alfons.html

I would think it can be configured into Create-Audio-CD
as the Grabber tool to use.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Michael Block wrote:
> 
> I don't know why CDRecord does this by default. Here is my
> log with the folders moved to my F partition:
> 
> Starting to grab using D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> with the following parameters: -o N: T 4 "F:\Create
> Audio-CD\Cddb04.wav"
> Return code is: 0
>  D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe started with the
> following parameters:
> 
> D:\AUDIOCDCREATOR\bin\wrapper.exe
> -2147483525
> D:\audioCDcreator\bin\pacdgrb2.exe
> F:\Create Audio-CD
> -o N: T 5
> F:\Create Audio-CD\Cddb05.wav
> 99
> 
> regards
> 
> Michael Block

8=============================================

From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] A hardware point

Hello all,

I can't understand why a hardware manufacturer should be allowed to support only a few operating systems.  
If your supplying a product, then that product should be compatible with what ever OS's are available (they 
still make DOS drivers, and DOS is supposed to be obsolete).  I know there's a cost involved with 
development of drivers and such, but I don't believe a company would go broke because of it.  It could be 
classed as a form of discrimination, and even a stranglehold on our freedom of choice.  Yes, hardware 
support is getting better, but largely to the dedicated end users who can do that sort of thing.  I'd like to walk 
into a computer store, pick out a product from the shelf and know that it will work with whatever OS I'm using.  
It's not just an OS/2 issue.  I've often wondered what users of even less publicized OS's like BeOS do for 
hardware support.  Same as us I guess; scour the net for the drivers and plan well in advance before 
installing.

I hope this doesn't sound too much like a gripe, and I'd like some feed back from the folks out there who 
work/ed in the industry.

Cheers all
Gavin

9=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:14:38 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Just one breif comment when it comes to file conversion Daryl, 
there used to be companies that produced programs to do only
that - convert from one file format to another. Do such products
still exist (and if onlt for Windoze - do they run under ODOIN ?).

By the way, I've used Star Office/2 at work to convert an Office 2k 
doc to Office 95 so someone could use it - it worked well - formatting
and content were 100%. I know one can't gaurentee this every time, but
...

Cheers/2

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> It sounds like you use the computer like I do:- its a tool to do a job.
> My whole business network runs on OS/2, & it works, & works well.
> I've got:
> 
> Office suite:
> Smartsuite 1.6
> 
> Fax Server:
> Faxworks ProLAN
> 
> Internet:
> InJoy Firewall
> Netscape Navigator
> ICQ
> 
> Scanning:
> PMSane/2
> 
> Drawing:
> CorelDraw 5.0G1, in WIN-OS/2
> 
> Financial:
> Quicken 6.5 in WIN-OS/2
> 
> Image Editing:
> GBM
> 
> PDF creation:
> PMPDF
> 
> Anything that is Windoze specific, (e.g Word 8.0, AKA Word 2000), I just
> email to my brother & he converts it for me.
> 
> OS/2 *can't* do everything:- try doing Video editing on it, but it does
> 95% of everything I need, so I can use other systems, to do the last 5%.
> 
> I would seriously challenge anyone claiming that my productivity would
> increase by changing to an all Windoze environment, just so I can
> supposedly run all my applications on one integrated platform. My
> experience has been that Windoze is such a slug & has so many security
> holes, even though I wouldn't have to email my brother for the
> occasional file conversion, I'd be worse-off in the long run.

10=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:17:33 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

I'd advice using the Bi-Directional print driver (BASEDEV=PAR1284.SYS
/LPT1)
on Modern printers.

Cheers/2

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> Alan Duval schreef:
> 
> 
> But don't forget to install the latest print01.sys:
> 
> 24-05-01  0:39         42.976      0 a---  PRINT01.EXE
> 
> as the latter supports PCI parallel port cards and has a new switch
> 
> BASEDEV=print01.sys /MPL

11=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:23:18 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Hi again alan,
  As you will have seen from my other note I don't think the 
HP640C *IS* listed - as I said I always used the 670C driver as I
believe the 640 is sold as the 670 in the US.

This is where I am looking for drivers:

http://service5.boulder.ibm dot com/2bcprod.nsf/WebCat?OpenView&Start=1&Count=300&Expand=36#36

Is this where you are looking ?

Cheers/2
Ed. 

Alan Duval wrote:
> 
> Hi Khris,
> 
> The only HP models readily available here are the
> 640C
> 840C
> 930C
> Only the 640C is listed at the IBM driver site.
> Models above 930C are over the $400 mark. Too dear for SOHO.
> 
> >
> > Do allow me to remind to the standard procedure:
> >
> > Download the latest omni.exe file and unpack it in a temporary directory.
> Then, open
> > the file omni.lst and look what printers are listed there.
> >
> > You'll see then the HP 970C(xi) is listed there:
> >
> >
> > > HP DeskJet 970C: HP DeskJet 970C (omni.drv)
> > > HP DeskJet 1100C: HP DeskJet 1100C (omni.drv)
> > > HP DeskJet 1100Cse: HP DeskJet 1100Cse (omni.drv)
> > > HP DeskJet 1100Cxi: HP DeskJet 1100Cxi (omni.drv)
> > > HP DeskJet 1120C: HP DeskJet 1120C (omni.drv)
> > > HP DeskJet 1120Cse: HP DeskJet 1120Cse (omni.drv)
> > >
> >
> > And, although not mentioned, the HP 990 C is supported by the same
> driver. Probably the
> > 950 C too. (if the latter can print to Dos, it's OK for OS/2)
> >
> > Anyway, as it stands now the HP 970 C(xi) is by far the best deal in
> respect to
> > price/quality.
> >
> > But don't forget to install the latest print01.sys:
> >
> > 24-05-01  0:39         42.976      0 a---  PRINT01.EXE
> >
> > as the latter supports PCI parallel port cards and has a new switch
> >
> > BASEDEV=print01.sys /MPL
> >
> >  /MPL            Directs the driver to use modified polling for printing.
> >                 This will help lower CPU utilization and enable better
> performance
> >                 tasks while the printer is being accessed.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Groeten uit Gent,
> >
> >    Kris

12=============================================

From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Sierra's AGI

Hey Game Lovers,

Remember Sierra's AGI games, you know, Kings Quest and Space Quest... etc...... 200 x 120 of 16 colour, 
type your finger off bliss!

Well there's a nice little development tool for editing and creating your own.  AGI Studio, probably been 
around for a while, but I found it on the weekend.  It's a Win32 and linux app, but I have the source (and it's 
available on this site:  http://agisci.cjb dot net/   )

Anyone interested in doing a port?  Well.... I am but I don't have the skills.  I'm only an artist :-)

Cheers
Gavin

13=============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:55:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sierra's AGI

Hi Gavin

>Anyone interested in doing a port?  Well.... I am but I don't
>have the skills.  I'm only an artist :-)

Nows the time to learn ;-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

14=============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:41:04 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

I should do a list of reviews of eCS as well, heres another one

http://www.os2voice dot org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0601H/vnewsf5.htm

And yes, I purchased eCS, and eCS SMP :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

15=============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:44:01 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] samba

Hi,
can someone tell me the state of the play with warp4 and samba.
Last I heard there was a little trouble with netbios over tcp/ip 
and a fix was to be compiled into samba.
Is it yet as easy as attaching a win box to samba.

steve
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

16=============================================

From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:54:02 +1000

Does anybody actually use samba?

> Hi,
> can someone tell me the state of the play with warp4 and samba.
> Last I heard there was a little trouble with netbios over tcp/ip 
> and a fix was to be compiled into samba.
> Is it yet as easy as attaching a win box to samba.
> 
> steve
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
 
17=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:02:26 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Ed Durrant schreef:

> By the way, I've used Star Office/2 at work to convert an Office 2k
> doc to Office 95 so someone could use it - it worked well - formatting
> and content were 100%. I know one can't gaurentee this every time, but

Staroffice 5.1 for OS/2 opens all Wordy 97-2000 documents just fine here. Even files
the M$-Word viewer can't open himself.

So, not an 100 % guarantee but almost 99 % nevertheless. :=)

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

18=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:42:40 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Ed Durrant schreef:

> I'd advice using the Bi-Directional print driver (BASEDEV=3DPAR1284.SYS
> /LPT1)
> on Modern printers.
>

Actually, I removed PAR1284.SYS in favour of the new print01.sys .

Incidentally, the bidi driver isn't new, far from it. It's an =F4=F4=F4=F4=
=F4ld horse. Look into
the drivers directory of your Warp 4 GA device drivers CD, and you'll fin=
d there the
file bid.zip .

13-08-96  9:01         16.330      0 ---r  BIDI.ZIP

And albeit the date and size isn't the same, I'm pretty there is no diffe=
rence between
the one one the CD and the one from the DD-site. (From which it has disap=
peared
apparently).

8-08-96 10:04         22.994      0 a---  par1284.sys

10-01-00 22:32         20.353      0 a---  par1284.sys


Anyway, I've installed a PCI parallel port card, and the new print01.sys =
is the only
driver to support PCI parallel port cards. Hence the only choice.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

19=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:44:53 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Ed Durrant schreef:

> Hi again alan,
>   As you will have seen from my other note I don't think the
> HP640C *IS* listed - as I said I always used the 670C driver as I
> believe the 640 is sold as the 670 in the US.
>
> This is where I am looking for drivers:
>
> http://service5.boulder.ibm dot com/2bcprod.nsf/WebCat?OpenView&Start=1&Count=300&Expand=36#36
>
> Is this where you are looking ?
>

The location to look at is:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm dot com/ps/products/os2/printpak/


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

20=============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:19:56 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

Linux with samba is becomming a very popular file server platform 
for windows networks. Many off the shelf browser configured file 
servers run samba. 
I'd hate to have to admit that purchase of one of these 
convenience packs was ruled out because of os/2's networking 
limitations.

steve

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:54:02 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:

>Does anybody actually use samba?
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

21=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:54:44 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

OK I'll think about it, but I've got to add in the travel costs,
so it'll need to be cheaper. Actually I've bought a full-price one
now but it'd be good to get a spare and the colour one is bound
to run out soon. Since the printer refuses to print unless both
cartridges have ink, you can't even just print in black if the colour
cartridge runs out !

It's a while since I've been to the North Rocks sunday computer
market. Is it every week or just once a fortnight ? 

By the way, I've just opted to upgrade to the "no-speed-limit"
option on my Telstra Cable connection, from the beginning of
next month, so it'll be interesting to see what improvement over
my exist 128/512 link that gives ! If not  lot, I can switch back the
next month without any charges for changing plans.
 
Cheers/2

Ed.

Stan Pallis wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> Go to North Rocks on Sunday, there's a stall that has cheap epson inks, well
> a lot cheaper than a lot of places I tried, my Espon Stylus color 600 which
> I bought in '97 is still going strong
> 
> Stan Pallis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:40 AM
> To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
> 
> Whoops !  - Egg on face time !!  Although the printer manual doesn't
> indicate that this combination of flashing lights mean it - the printer
> had simply run out of black ink ! I downloaded the latest epson
> monitoring utility (only for Windoze unfortunately) - ran it and it
> told me the sorry truth - no black ink !
> 
> This printer seems to use ink faster than my previous HP Deskjet, I'll
> have to check that it defaults to draft print mode in the future.
> Unfortunately the printer can't just run on the colour cartridge, so
> it's off to the shops to see what a replacement is going to cost me !
> 
> So - apart from this little "hic-cup" I can continue to recommend
> the Epson Stylus Color 680 under OS/2.
> 
> Cheers/2
> Ed.
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > After shouting the praises of the Epson printer I seem to have similar
> > problems to those described earlier by someone else on this list.
> >
> > For no apparent reason, both error lights on the printer have started
> > flashing and (of course) it can't print now. I've all the usual
> > resetting
> > tactics all to no avail.
> >
> > So it starts to look like the Epson 680 range may have a basic design
> > flaw. I Harvey Normans are open today, I'll be taking it back for a
> > replacement.
> >
> > I'm posting this message here in case someone else is considering
> > buying this model of printer as when it works, it works well under
> > os/2. At the moment I would advise anyone considering buying to
> > wait a while - perhaps a mark II model will come out soon ?
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed Durrant.

22=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:09:22 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

Shoot-out, hmmm read slaughter with CP2 & eCS sounds good.

No definite dates, but both Mark & I are very busy this week & it is a
good thing I have CDRECORD/2 running & an unlimited broadband Internet
account...

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> We in Australia should make up our OWN minds once the product is
> demonstrated here.
> 
> Mark & Daryl - any comments / schedules apart from the Melbourne
> one yet ??
> 
SNIP
> 
> Perhaps we could organise a "shoot off" between Warp CP2 + WSOD
> and eCs + Wise manager ??
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
>
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:31:52 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

From my understanding, Samba trys to make Linux look like Windoze NT
(hopefully not including all the flaws), so I don't see the relevance to
OS/2.

OS/2 can talk to NT servers. It can also talk to *nix boxes (using *nix
protocols),
so why would anyone want to have an OS/2 box talking to Samba to Linux
rather than direct ??

Cheers/2

Ed. 

Trevor Clarke wrote:
> 
> Does anybody actually use samba?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Edmonds [SMTP:steve71atattglobal dot net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2001 20:44
> > To:   os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> > Subject:      [os2genau] samba
> >
> > Hi,
> > can someone tell me the state of the play with warp4 and samba.
> > Last I heard there was a little trouble with netbios over tcp/ip
> > and a fix was to be compiled into samba.
> > Is it yet as easy as attaching a win box to samba.
> >
> > steve
> > _______________
> > Steve Edmonds
> > Steve71atattglobal dot net

24=============================================

From: "Stan Pallis" <spallisatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:44:12 +1000

Ed,

North Rocks market is weekly every Sunday, I've picked up black refills for
about $7.95 & colour for $11.95 cheapest non epson cartridges were double
that.  I used to buy a lot of photo glossy paper and that and the guy will
give you a discount on the inks on top.

Let us know what the no speed limit is like, is it volume based charge

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]

OK I'll think about it, but I've got to add in the travel costs,
so it'll need to be cheaper. Actually I've bought a full-price one
now but it'd be good to get a spare and the colour one is bound
to run out soon. Since the printer refuses to print unless both
cartridges have ink, you can't even just print in black if the colour
cartridge runs out !

It's a while since I've been to the North Rocks sunday computer
market. Is it every week or just once a fortnight ?

By the way, I've just opted to upgrade to the "no-speed-limit"
option on my Telstra Cable connection, from the beginning of
next month, so it'll be interesting to see what improvement over
my exist 128/512 link that gives ! If not  lot, I can switch back the
next month without any charges for changing plans.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Stan Pallis wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> Go to North Rocks on Sunday, there's a stall that has cheap epson inks,
well
> a lot cheaper than a lot of places I tried, my Espon Stylus color 600
which
> I bought in '97 is still going strong
>
> Stan Pallis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:40 AM
> To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems
>
> Whoops !  - Egg on face time !!  Although the printer manual doesn't
> indicate that this combination of flashing lights mean it - the printer
> had simply run out of black ink ! I downloaded the latest epson
> monitoring utility (only for Windoze unfortunately) - ran it and it
> told me the sorry truth - no black ink !
>
> This printer seems to use ink faster than my previous HP Deskjet, I'll
> have to check that it defaults to draft print mode in the future.
> Unfortunately the printer can't just run on the colour cartridge, so
> it's off to the shops to see what a replacement is going to cost me !
>
> So - apart from this little "hic-cup" I can continue to recommend
> the Epson Stylus Color 680 under OS/2.
>
> Cheers/2
> Ed.
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > After shouting the praises of the Epson printer I seem to have similar
> > problems to those described earlier by someone else on this list.
> >
> > For no apparent reason, both error lights on the printer have started
> > flashing and (of course) it can't print now. I've all the usual
> > resetting
> > tactics all to no avail.
> >
> > So it starts to look like the Epson 680 range may have a basic design
> > flaw. I Harvey Normans are open today, I'll be taking it back for a
> > replacement.
> >
> > I'm posting this message here in case someone else is considering
> > buying this model of printer as when it works, it works well under
> > os/2. At the moment I would advise anyone considering buying to
> > wait a while - perhaps a mark II model will come out soon ?
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed Durrant.

25=============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:51:25 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

Hi Ed.
My understanding is that Samba uses netbios over tcp/ip.
os/2 to NT servers is, I think, usually by netbios.

If I used an NFS mount on my os/2 box to access the linux box I 
could have problems with the file locking conflict between linux  
samba access to the same file.

I would hope that if someone replaced an NT server with a samba 
server I wouldn't loose my access to files on that server.

steve

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:31:52 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>OS/2 can talk to NT servers. It can also talk to *nix boxes 
(using *nix
>protocols),
>so why would anyone want to have an OS/2 box talking to Samba to 
Linux
>rather than direct ??
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

26=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:00:44 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation

I'll have unlimited speed but not download (well at least not in the
standard
price) from the start of next month.

Ed.

P.S. CP2 will Probably only be August, so you've got a little time to
get the
bugs out of eCs !! {:->

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Shoot-out, hmmm read slaughter with CP2 & eCS sounds good.
> 
> No definite dates, but both Mark & I are very busy this week & it is a
> good thing I have CDRECORD/2 running & an unlimited broadband Internet
> account...
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > We in Australia should make up our OWN minds once the product is
> > demonstrated here.
> >
> > Mark & Daryl - any comments / schedules apart from the Melbourne
> > one yet ??
> >
> SNIP
> >
> > Perhaps we could organise a "shoot off" between Warp CP2 + WSOD
> > and eCs + Wise manager ??
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington
> 
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
> 
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300
>           Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
>       Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
>                (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

27=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:01 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

I can't see it being a problem. I believe samba trys to
adhere to some sort of standard. I can't see samba
being compatible with Windoze XP though.

Ed.


Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> Linux with samba is becomming a very popular file server platform
> for windows networks. Many off the shelf browser configured file
> servers run samba.
> I'd hate to have to admit that purchase of one of these
> convenience packs was ruled out because of os/2's networking
> limitations.
> 
> steve
> 
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:54:02 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:
> 
> >Does anybody actually use samba?
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
 
28=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:07:51 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

OS/2 Most DEFINATELY supports Netbios over IP (aka TCPBEUI) !!

I presently support tens of OS/2 Servers across Australia which
have WIN9x, 2k and OS/2 clients.

I guess what Linux plus samba really does is screws up Microsofts
licence control systems  (NT server based). Hmm, wonder how M$
is going to deal with that one ??

Ed.


Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed.
> My understanding is that Samba uses netbios over tcp/ip.
> os/2 to NT servers is, I think, usually by netbios.
> 
> If I used an NFS mount on my os/2 box to access the linux box I
> could have problems with the file locking conflict between linux
> samba access to the same file.
> 
> I would hope that if someone replaced an NT server with a samba
> server I wouldn't loose my access to files on that server.
> 
> steve
> 
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:31:52 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >OS/2 can talk to NT servers. It can also talk to *nix boxes
> (using *nix
> >protocols),
> >so why would anyone want to have an OS/2 box talking to Samba to
> Linux
> >rather than direct ??
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
 
29=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:15:17 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] A hardware point

Sorry Garry, the world isn't like that. If it was your car would have to
be
able to run on any Fuel - Petrol, Diesel, Coal, Wood, Whiskey etc etc.
and
that's not going to happen.

By the way, as you say, OS/2 isn't the only OS to suffer this problem.
Would
you believe a lot of hardware isn't supported under Windows NT and 2000
?
Basically the lowest (and cheapest for the manufacturer) comon
denominator
is Win98 (not Windows ME in every case either).  It's going to be
interesting 
when Mr Public decides to do what he is told and Upgrades to Windows XP
only to find his flash PC he bought only 6 months ago, no longer "cuts
it" and
has to be given to the scap man and a new one (with microsoft supported
hardware) bought.

At some point Mr. (and Mrs/Ms) public has to wake up and realise they're
being taken for a ride, time and time again.

You know there are often times when I don't like to admit that I work in
the 
IT industry as the professionals get branded along with the cowboys !

Cheers/2

Ed. 

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I can't understand why a hardware manufacturer should be allowed to support only a few operating systems.
> If your supplying a product, then that product should be compatible with what ever OS's are available (they
> still make DOS drivers, and DOS is supposed to be obsolete).  I know there's a cost involved with
> development of drivers and such, but I don't believe a company would go broke because of it.  It could be
> classed as a form of discrimination, and even a stranglehold on our freedom of choice.  Yes, hardware
> support is getting better, but largely to the dedicated end users who can do that sort of thing.  I'd like to walk
> into a computer store, pick out a product from the shelf and know that it will work with whatever OS I'm using.
> It's not just an OS/2 issue.  I've often wondered what users of even less publicized OS's like BeOS do for
> hardware support.  Same as us I guess; scour the net for the drivers and plan well in advance before
> installing.
> 
> I hope this doesn't sound too much like a gripe, and I'd like some feed back from the folks out there who
> work/ed in the industry.
> 
> Cheers all
> Gavin
 
30=============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:15:46 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

Should that be-
I can't see Windoze XP being compatable with anything.

steve

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:01 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I can't see samba
>being compatible with Windoze XP though.
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

31=============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:25:57 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

I don't think they are loving it.
Here is a home grown example.
http://www.abmserver.microbits dot com dot au/press/20001024_australian.htm

steve

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:07:51 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I guess what Linux plus samba really does is screws up Microsofts
>licence control systems  (NT server based). Hmm, wonder how M$
>is going to deal with that one ??
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

32=============================================

From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:05:09 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] A hardware point

In <3B25F9C5.F5A09B65atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/12/01 
   at 09:15 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

>Sorry Garry, the world isn't like that. If it was your car would have to
>be
>able to run on any Fuel - Petrol, Diesel, Coal, Wood, Whiskey etc etc.
>and
>that's not going to happen.

Well if had a Leopard tank it would. Gotta love the military and those
multifuel engines.

>By the way, as you say, OS/2 isn't the only OS to suffer this problem.
>Would
>you believe a lot of hardware isn't supported under Windows NT and 2000 ?
>Basically the lowest (and cheapest for the manufacturer) comon
>denominator
>is Win98 (not Windows ME in every case either).  It's going to be
>interesting 
>when Mr Public decides to do what he is told and Upgrades to Windows XP
>only to find his flash PC he bought only 6 months ago, no longer "cuts
>it" and
>has to be given to the scap man and a new one (with microsoft supported
>hardware) bought.

MMMHH that might be what I do for a job, going around picking up all those
obselte computers and floggin''em of to the smart people who didn't fall
for the M$ marketing.

>At some point Mr. (and Mrs/Ms) public has to wake up and realise they're
>being taken for a ride, time and time again.

I've always found Mr and Mrs Public are pretty heavy sleepers even when
they are being dragged around by the gonads!


>You know there are often times when I don't like to admit that I work in
>the 
>IT industry as the professionals get branded along with the cowboys !

>Cheers/2

>Ed. 

>Gavin Miller wrote:

But I cut it

Mark
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 10:05 PM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

33=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:53:15 +1100
From: Alan Duval <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] eComStation

Hi,


BStJohnn wrote

Time out. Folks are free to do as they please .. but don't believe
everything you read (and only half of what you see).

Keep in mind that http://www.scoug dot com/lastmeeting.html, an item at the
same meeting, was much more favorable. And over half the people
attending the meeting ordered the product.. 

I think you would have a right to be disappointed. That is, if Kim ever
said any of those things. Peter Skye said those things. Not Kim.  Kim
didn't say them. I'll
address these comments in a separate note.

As to the hardware ... we will do our best. What more can is say.

Regards,
Bob

Thanks Bob for your comments. Checked the new article from SCOUG and am
much happier. Probably will go ahead with the install now.

Alan Duval  <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>

34=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:03:56 +1100
From: Alan Duval <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Hi Kris,

> > Download the latest omni.exe file and unpack it in a temporary directory.
> Then, open
> > the file omni.lst and look what printers are listed there.
> > But don't forget to install the latest print01.sys:

Where can I download these two files from?

Haven't seen the HP Deskjet 970C advertised here.

Alan Duval <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>

35=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:21:29 +1100
From: Alan Duval <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 Problems

Hi Ed,


You wrote ...                     Can you send me (off-list) an example
of a 123 spreadsheet 
that does not print correctly under 1.2.3./2 V 1.5 I'll try it here
under 1.6 and see if there's any difference.
 

I don't seem to have your eMail address so if you let me know it I will
send you pzrt of the spread sheet i was trying to print. I don't know
whether it is a good test as I have formula in some of the cells and I
don't think they will be copied. Should I send it as a file?

Alan Duval <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>

36=============================================

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:31:29 +1100
From: Alan Duval <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 Problems

Hi Ed,

You wrote...
  As you will have seen from my other note I don't think the 
HP640C *IS* listed - as I said I always used the 670C driver as I
believe the 640 is sold as the 670 in the US.

My mistake. Can't read my own writing. Read 640 for 610. It was the 610C
that I saw at Harvey Norman and It used the colours to mix to obtain
black.

This is where I am looking for drivers:

http://service5.boulder.ibm dot com/2bcprod.nsf/WebCat?OpenView&Start=1&Count=300&Expand=36#36

Is this where you are looking ?

Yes.

Cheers. 

Alan Duval

37=============================================

Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:10:22 +1100
From: Leeward Cove Holiday Units <leewardcoveati-o dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Epson 680 

Dear Ed

I've been using an Epson Stylus 640 for some time.  I use "Color Jet"
replacement cartridges, and at $20 (black) and $25 (coloured) it's no
big deal to have an extra on hand, and hardly worth the trouble of
refilling, which I used to do on my HP.  They are available for the 680
as well, and may well be cheaper in the city (I live in East Gippsland)

One advantage of the Epson 640 is that the light flashes when the
cartridge is nearly empty, but it keeps on producing good copies until
the light stays on and it won't print at all.  The HP would keep going,
missing lines etc; even more of a nuisance when  I  was printing a
number of double sided copies and not watching what was going on.

If all else fails and you have an urgent letter you can always change
the colour to navy blue or charcoal grey and the colour cartridge will
print it.

One of our sons uses the Canon which Alan mentioned with the separate
colour cartridges.  He does a lot of colour printing and finds replacing
the  colours as he uses them saves him money, otherwise he would use the
corresponding Epson version.

Wendy Podger


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