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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:40:23 +1000
From: Michael Peters <mpetersatnetspace dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warpcentre File Backup

Peter,
  My mail to you at spgatgll dot com dot au bounced. Do you
have an address to receive a file attach?

Mike

Peter Godbold wrote:

> Thanks, Michael.  Would appreciate a copy.
>
> Peter
>
> Michael Peters wrote:
> >
> > Peter,
> >    I have written a little program to do the WarpCentre backup
> > and restore. I will send it to you on Monday next because it is
> > enravelled with my desktop backup program and I have to.....
> > you know what I mean....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Peter Godbold wrote:
> >
> > > Bob Traynor wrote:
> > >
> > > > I also (but did not inform you) have a *.zip  backup of the complete desktop,
> > > > Os2*.ini files, all Windows *.ini files, config.sys and autoexec.bat
> > > > and all the WarpCentre files and a few others.
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Lifting the above quote from the discussion thread between yourself and
> > > Kris Steenhaut on lost desktops, may I pose a question on a related
> > > topic?
> > >
> > > I recently lost my Warpcentre settings on a power failure, and after
> > > trying to find a way of recovering (I use Unimaint regularly) I finally
> > > resorted to the tedious task of rebuilding all of my trays!
> > >
> > > Can you or someone else advise on the best (or any??) way of restoring
> > > the Warpcentre?  Where does all of that data live?
> > >
> > > Peter

2==============================================

From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:32:09 +0900 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Won't install: Latest NS and PMView was: June, 2001 refresh of Netscape 4.61

On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:01:59 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote to
possidiscussion:

>In <200107082345.QAA09914atprince.kattare dot com>, on 07/09/01 
>   at 09:46 AM, "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au> said:
>
>
>>Then I could d/l that, read it and figure out whether a 35Mb download is going
>>to be worth it for me.
>
>The file I downloaded was approx. 10 MB. On the left hand side of the IBM site -
>download page - were two other files - FAQ and ARP's , don't know the size of
>them

Posted in Possi Discussion and OS2GenAU lists

The saga continues in a different form.

Thanks to everyone who told me the file size and sent me the readme2.

I have now downloaded the file (approx 1 hour on my faithful 33.6k
modem) and unpacked it to a fresh temporary directory. 

BUT: (there's always a 'but' even if there are no smokers<g>)

When I try to install, I receive an error message to the effect that
the installer "cannot create Object <NS_FOLDER> on the desktop" and
gives me OK or Help buttons. Help tells me the same thing in a few
more words and says I could respond with R for replace. 

Sorry but no cigar!  If I click OK I have the option to cancel the
install, remove the new files and revert to the previous version,
which I selected.

The progress bar dutifully proceeds in reverse until nothing shows
but I then receive the same error message (NB: NOT "can't remove" but
"can't create" the NS_FOLDER). I click OK and then I get the same
question "do you wish to remove the files already installed, and
revert to the previous level?" Well, I just answered that, so I
select cancel and bail out of the whole install safely - I think.

Does anyone recognize this problem? Does anyone know a fix or
workaround?

Would anyone recognize it if I said I also had the same problem with
the latest version of PMView (2.3) and its Desktop Object? However,
there I had uninstalled the old version and then had to install from
scratch, whereas here I am updating the installed product.

<sigh> seems I am dogged by that Murphy fella!


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:34:57 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale

Hi All,
FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL.
http://adsl.internode.on dot net

Thanks to the people who have cautioned me regarding account transfer
fees.
I have contacted Telstra Bigpond Direct & it is possible to do a Change
of
Leasee Application, meaning there is no account transfer fees.

So, anyone who wants to buy a permanent, fixed-IP, v90 dialup connection
in Adelaide with ongoing fees* of the greater of $20/month or
12c/MB, please contact me. All reasonable offers considered.

*Some fine print, happy to explain details.

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
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          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
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4==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:25 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale

** Reply to note from Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com> Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:34:57 +1000


> FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL. 
> http://adsl.internode.on dot net

what modem/router are you using for that ?



Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

5==============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:40:35 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

I don't know that its applicable to you guys,
we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks).

We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up.
I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s.
less than 10 mins for 78 meg.

I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed.
Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out in 
an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end.

Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at good 
speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable.

steve
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

6==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:43:37 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Won't install: Latest NS and PMView was: June, 2001  refresh of Netscape 4.61

<NS_FOLDER> is almost certainly the Folder object for Netscape.

Somewhere in your system this object exists and is probably 
somehow marked as non-deletable.

If the install procedure uses Rexx, you could simply go in and change 
the object name to something different but this could cause problems
later when either this or a later install was looking to put other
objects
in it. It's a couple (probably closer to 6 or 7) years since I played
around in this area of REXX and Desktop but I'm pretty sure RXUTILS.DLL
will have a call in it, to let you track down the "rougue" <NS_FOLDER>
if you're not afraid of coding a few lines in REXX.

Cheers/2
Ed.

> The saga continues in a different form.
> 
> Thanks to everyone who told me the file size and sent me the readme2.
> 
> I have now downloaded the file (approx 1 hour on my faithful 33.6k
> modem) and unpacked it to a fresh temporary directory.
> 
> BUT: (there's always a 'but' even if there are no smokers<g>)
> 
> When I try to install, I receive an error message to the effect that
> the installer "cannot create Object <NS_FOLDER> on the desktop" and
> gives me OK or Help buttons. Help tells me the same thing in a few
> more words and says I could respond with R for replace.
> 
> Sorry but no cigar!  If I click OK I have the option to cancel the
> install, remove the new files and revert to the previous version,
> which I selected.
> 
> The progress bar dutifully proceeds in reverse until nothing shows
> but I then receive the same error message (NB: NOT "can't remove" but
> "can't create" the NS_FOLDER). I click OK and then I get the same
> question "do you wish to remove the files already installed, and
> revert to the previous level?" Well, I just answered that, so I
> select cancel and bail out of the whole install safely - I think.
> 
> Does anyone recognize this problem? Does anyone know a fix or
> workaround?
> 
> Would anyone recognize it if I said I also had the same problem with
> the latest version of PMView (2.3) and its Desktop Object? However,
> there I had uninstalled the old version and then had to install from
> scratch, whereas here I am updating the installed product.
> 
> <sigh> seems I am dogged by that Murphy fella!
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au

7==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:47:02 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale

Hi again Voytek,
  I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying, You get the modem/router supplied
by whichever Telco you go with. They supply it, you can't chose or
supply one yourself.

  The underlying technology is edicted by Telstra, so a solution that
works for OS/2 over Telstra "should" work with other companies
installations as well. 

 Cheers/2
  Ed.
   
Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> > FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL.
> > http://adsl.internode.on dot net
> 
> what modem/router are you using for that ?

8==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Hi Steve,

   How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ???

  We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B
(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10
to give B.

  I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads,
which 
make the use of 10 a good conservative factor.

  I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say
around 2Mb/s
on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option.

  I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s.  Am I missing something here ??

Cheers/2
Ed.
 

Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> I don't know that its applicable to you guys,
> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks).
> 
> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up.
> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s.
> less than 10 mins for 78 meg.
> 
> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed.
> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out in
> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end.
> 
> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at good
> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable.
> 
> steve
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
> 

9==============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:15:16 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Not at all Ed.
This is a thing with adsl. My modem tells me the downlink is at 5.5 Mb/s.

The real test is the 78 Meg download in under 10 mins (9 something).
Also note this is the best ever I have had, sun must pump it out. 
Typical would be 10 - 20 netscape kB/s, throttled upstream.

Worse is the uplink, actual is way under 600 kb/s.

steve


On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Hi Steve,
>
>   How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ???
>
>  We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B
>(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10
>to give B.
>
>  I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads,
>which 
>make the use of 10 a good conservative factor.
>
>  I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say
>around 2Mb/s
>on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option.
>
>  I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s.  Am I missing something here ??
>
>Cheers/2
>Ed.
> 
>
>Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know that its applicable to you guys,
>> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks).
>> 
>> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up.
>> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s.
>> less than 10 mins for 78 meg.
>> 
>> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed.
>> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out 
in
>> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end.
>> 
>> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at 
good
>> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable.
>> 
>> steve
>> _______________
>> Steve Edmonds
>> Steve71atattglobal dot net
>> 
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

10==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:39:37 +0000
From: Frank Bendon <frankbenatinternode.on dot net>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:25 +0000, Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL. 
>> http://adsl.internode.on dot net
>what modem/router are you using for that ?

Voytek
I've had internode's ADSL service for a little over a month now
They 'supply' a D-Link modem, an optional firewall / router
box and your own fixed IP address - just plug it in, change your
default gateway etc and it simply works - no software,  PPPoE
setup or anything  like that.

Cheers
Frank Bendon


11==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:21:55 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Sorry Steve,

I still don't see the 5.5 Mb/s

it's 78MB in 10 minutes

thats 78MB in 600 seconds

so lets say 780 Mb in 600 Seconds

Thats 780/600 Mb/s - approx - 1.2 Mb/s not 5.5 Mb/s

Hey 1.2 Mb/s is still VERY good !!

Cheers/2
Ed.


Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> Not at all Ed.
> This is a thing with adsl. My modem tells me the downlink is at 5.5 Mb/s.
> 
> The real test is the 78 Meg download in under 10 mins (9 something).
> Also note this is the best ever I have had, sun must pump it out.
> Typical would be 10 - 20 netscape kB/s, throttled upstream.
> 
> Worse is the uplink, actual is way under 600 kb/s.
> 
> steve
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >Hi Steve,
> >
> >   How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ???
> >
> >  We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B
> >(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10
> >to give B.
> >
> >  I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads,
> >which
> >make the use of 10 a good conservative factor.
> >
> >  I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say
> >around 2Mb/s
> >on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option.
> >
> >  I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s.  Am I missing something here ??
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >Ed.
> >
> >
> >Steve Edmonds wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know that its applicable to you guys,
> >> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks).
> >>
> >> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up.
> >> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s.
> >> less than 10 mins for 78 meg.
> >>
> >> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed.
> >> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out
> in
> >> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end.
> >>
> >> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at
> good
> >> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable.
> >>
> >> steve
> >> _______________
> >> Steve Edmonds
> >> Steve71atattglobal dot net
> >>
> >>
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
> 

12==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:39:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Hi Ed

What Steve is talking about, is he has a 5.5Mb/s link but
due to smaller piplines between him and his destinations,
he can only download at a lower speed. Downloading
Startoffice from SUN, Steve is probably either hitting a
fast route to SUN, or being redirected to a closer
Australian server (more likely).

ie, the link to Telsta is 5.5Mb/s, past Telstra, the normal
bottle necks get in the way. same as if someone with an
ADSL link tried to download files from my site, the best
speed they could get is about 100Kb/s, as long as no one else
was using the link.


Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Sign in a London department store: 
    BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS

13==============================================

From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:10:55 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

You got it.

steve

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:39:43 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Ed
>
>What Steve is talking about, is he has a 5.5Mb/s link but
>due to smaller piplines between him and his destinations,
>he can only download at a lower speed. Downloading
>Startoffice from SUN, Steve is probably either hitting a
>fast route to SUN, or being redirected to a closed
>Australian server (more likely).
>
>ie, the link to Telsta is 5.5Mb/s, past Telstra, the normal
>bottle necks get in the way. same as if someone with an
>ADSL link tried to download files from my site, the best
>speed they could get is about 100Kb/s, as long as no one else
>was using the link.
>
>
>Cheers
>Ian B Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>Sign in a London department store: 
>    BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS

_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

14==============================================

From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:24:05 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Won't install: Latest NS and PMView was: June, 2001 refresh of Netscape 4.61

John,

Have a look in your folders on the desktop for any other, originally
installed, netscape folders that may have been dragged off the
desktop and into a sub folder.

From the command line zip up the folder (if you found it)
and move the file elsewhere as a backup.

Also, backup the whole desktop etc. I assume you still use Deskbak.

Then delete the Netscape folder. [Do NOT un-install.!]

Next run Wptools checkini.exe and clean out your os2 ini files.

Then try again.!


If the above does NOT work, Backup (zip) the USER directory, then 
Uninstall Netscape and you will be given an option of wether to 
delete all user files. Say NO. This should leave the user directory
and all below it, thus preserving your mail and settings etc.

Run Wptools again.

THEN re-install Netscape.

Say a few hail Mary's and pray. :)

God be with you my son.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
10 July 2001   21:20



On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:32:09 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote:
> >In <200107082345.QAA09914atprince.kattare dot com>, on 07/09/01 
> >   at 09:46 AM, "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au> said:

> >>Then I could d/l that, read it and figure out whether a 35Mb download is going
> >>to be worth it for me.
> >
> >The file I downloaded was approx. 10 MB. On the left hand side of the IBM site -
> >download page - were two other files - FAQ and ARP's , don't know the size of
> >them
> 
> Posted in Possi Discussion and OS2GenAU lists
> 
> The saga continues in a different form.
> 
> Thanks to everyone who told me the file size and sent me the readme2.
> 
> I have now downloaded the file (approx 1 hour on my faithful 33.6k
> modem) and unpacked it to a fresh temporary directory. 
> 
> BUT: (there's always a 'but' even if there are no smokers<g>)
> 
> When I try to install, I receive an error message to the effect that
> the installer "cannot create Object <NS_FOLDER> on the desktop" and
> gives me OK or Help buttons. Help tells me the same thing in a few
> more words and says I could respond with R for replace. 
> 
> Sorry but no cigar!  If I click OK I have the option to cancel the
> install, remove the new files and revert to the previous version,
> which I selected.
> 
> The progress bar dutifully proceeds in reverse until nothing shows
> but I then receive the same error message (NB: NOT "can't remove" but
> "can't create" the NS_FOLDER). I click OK and then I get the same
> question "do you wish to remove the files already installed, and
> revert to the previous level?" Well, I just answered that, so I
> select cancel and bail out of the whole install safely - I think.
> 
> Does anyone recognize this problem? Does anyone know a fix or
> workaround?
> 
> Would anyone recognize it if I said I also had the same problem with
> the latest version of PMView (2.3) and its Desktop Object? However,
> there I had uninstalled the old version and then had to install from
> scratch, whereas here I am updating the installed product.
> 
> <sigh> seems I am dogged by that Murphy fella!
> 
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au





   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 


15==============================================

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:41:44 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

So if you download something from the Telstra 
site, or something in its cache, you should 
(in principal) get 5.5Mb/s ??

Ed.

Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> You got it.
> 
> steve
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:39:43 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> >Hi Ed
> >
> >What Steve is talking about, is he has a 5.5Mb/s link but
> >due to smaller piplines between him and his destinations,
> >he can only download at a lower speed. Downloading
> >Startoffice from SUN, Steve is probably either hitting a
> >fast route to SUN, or being redirected to a closed
> >Australian server (more likely).
> >
> >ie, the link to Telsta is 5.5Mb/s, past Telstra, the normal
> >bottle necks get in the way. same as if someone with an
> >ADSL link tried to download files from my site, the best
> >speed they could get is about 100Kb/s, as long as no one else
> >was using the link.
> >
> >
> >Cheers
> >Ian B Manners
> >http://www.os2site dot com/
> >
> >Sign in a London department store:
> >    BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS
> 
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
> 

16==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:01:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Hi Ed

>So if you download something from the Telstra 
>site, or something in its cache, you should 
>(in principal) get 5.5Mb/s ??

In theory, yes, in practice, you also have the following.

Cable
=====

User1+user2+user3, all connected at the end of the street.

Bandwidth / 3 but then not everyone will be downloading
at the same time, then from the street end box, you go to
the next box, street1+street2+street3 = Bandwith / 3, again :-(

ADSL
=====

Nice fast connection to your immediate exchange, there you
have other ADSL connections coming in, then all pumped
through the same 10Mb router :-(
Then onto the next major exchange to be connected to the
main 10Mb, or 100Mb pipeline.

Advertising !

Still, Cable and ADSL speeds beat the crap out of ISDN, but
ISDN is mature, stable technology, you would need a lot
more ISDN lines to hog bandwidth the way that ADSL and
cable do.

It is always faster as a rule to download something that is
closer to you, doesnt matter if its 56k, ISDN, ADSL, Cable,
it also helps keep the ISP's costs down, as they still have to
pay for all there incoming data, if it werent for Proxy's like
connect dot com dot au's costs would be higher than they are, and
bandwidth would also be under a bigger strain.

I sometimes download files from a Switzerland Uni, and at
one stage for a few days I was hitting a low of 512b/s. This
is due more to routing, somewere between them and myself,
there is a router was obviously being is overloaded. Some
princepal as above, just more "nodes" & "routers", more
changes of having a lower speed, or more congested link
somewere between the origin of the data, and myself.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

"I think that's how Chicago got started.  A bunch of people in New York
said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, but it just isn't cold
enough. Let's go west.' "
     --Richard Jeni

17==============================================

From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:55:25 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ?

Yes Ed

I am almost there but there is I suspect an extra "fiddle" to get it to work if there is a 
separate PC with 2  NIC cards?  I cant get the blasted router setup correct!!  I can 
ping the Gateway PC on the LAN but cant "jump" across that to the internet!  
Somehow the IP forwarding is not  forwarding to the LAN machines and I suspect 
that I need to configure the network WS  its just not a matter of telling each machine 
to route via 192.168.1.200  (the LAN address of the gateway PC)  ??? am I correct?




On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:21:55 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Sorry Steve,
>
>I still don't see the 5.5 Mb/s
>
>it's 78MB in 10 minutes
>
>thats 78MB in 600 seconds
>
>so lets say 780 Mb in 600 Seconds
>
>Thats 780/600 Mb/s - approx - 1.2 Mb/s not 5.5 Mb/s
>
>Hey 1.2 Mb/s is still VERY good !!
>
>Cheers/2
>Ed.
>
>
>Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> 
>> Not at all Ed.
>> This is a thing with adsl. My modem tells me the downlink is at 5.5 Mb/s.
>> 
>> The real test is the 78 Meg download in under 10 mins (9 something).
>> Also note this is the best ever I have had, sun must pump it out.
>> Typical would be 10 - 20 netscape kB/s, throttled upstream.
>> 
>> Worse is the uplink, actual is way under 600 kb/s.
>> 
>> steve
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>> 
>> >Hi Steve,
>> >
>> >   How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ???
>> >
>> >  We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B
>> >(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10
>> >to give B.
>> >
>> >  I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads,
>> >which
>> >make the use of 10 a good conservative factor.
>> >
>> >  I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say
>> >around 2Mb/s
>> >on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option.
>> >
>> >  I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s.  Am I missing something here ??
>> >
>> >Cheers/2
>> >Ed.
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't know that its applicable to you guys,
>> >> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks).
>> >>
>> >> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up.
>> >> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s.
>> >> less than 10 mins for 78 meg.
>> >>
>> >> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed.
>> >> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed 
out
>> in
>> >> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end.
>> >>
>> >> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at
>> good
>> >> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable.
>> >>
>> >> steve
>> >> _______________
>> >> Steve Edmonds
>> >> Steve71atattglobal dot net
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> _______________
>> Steve Edmonds
>> Steve71atattglobal dot net
>> 

Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist

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