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Monday 02 August 2004
 Number  903
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Kev <k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au>
2  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : freiherr at earthlink dot net
3  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
4  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : freiherr at earthlink dot net
5   OT: Munich council Linux Migration hits patent issues : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
7   Fwd: SEC: Unclassified. FW: August 2004 e-Newsletter : Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
8  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
9  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
10  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
11  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
12  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:55:16 +0800
From:  Kev <k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought

Hi all

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> I was aksed about alternatives to MS Office, need some feedback
> 
> Star Office ?
> Open Office ?
> 
> what else is there, there was something on APC CD few month ago, with
> numbers ? in apps name ?
> 
> all these folks want is basic wp and ss
> 

As for a WP, is it possible for someone to revive/revamp DeScribe. 
There has been none better, for any platform!


Cheers
Kev Downes
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Date:  Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:08:12 -0400
From:  freiherr at earthlink dot net
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought

On 08/02/04 at 11:55 AM, Kev <k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote:

>As for a WP, is it possible for someone to revive/revamp DeScribe. 
>There has been none better, for any platform!

DeScribe does everyhthing I want or need, above all the others.  It
doesn't need a revival or a revamping.  It is exactly what it needs to
be.  Anyone who might fool around with it would do the equivalent of
putting chrome wheels on an armored personnel carrier.


DeScribe is just right, just as it is.  Don't mess with it.  



Regards, 
Eric Schilke


Copyright (c) 2004.  All rights reserved.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:07:09 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:08:12 -0400, freiherr at earthlink dot net wrote:

>On 08/02/04 at 11:55 AM, Kev <k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote:
>
>>As for a WP, is it possible for someone to revive/revamp DeScribe. 
>>There has been none better, for any platform!
>
>DeScribe does everyhthing I want or need, above all the others.  It
>doesn't need a revival or a revamping.  It is exactly what it needs to
>be.  Anyone who might fool around with it would do the equivalent of
>putting chrome wheels on an armored personnel carrier.
>
>
>DeScribe is just right, just as it is.  Don't mess with it.  

And it can't be messed with anyway.

There are a number of components from third parties (eg. import filters) for
which the developer can't obtain copyright release. Therefore it can't be
"Open Sourced" in teh way that Mozilla was.

If anyone has watched the OpenWatcom process, you might recall it took them
12 months plus to clean up the code and determine the various legalities
involved before releasing it.


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Keeping an open mind means that people throw a lot of rubbish into it!
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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:34:24 -0400
From:  freiherr at earthlink dot net
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought

On 08/02/04 at 03:07 PM, "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> wrote:

>>DeScribe is just right, just as it is.  Don't mess with it.  

>And it can't be messed with anyway....
>If anyone has watched the OpenWatcom process...., 

I hadn't considered that, but you are precisely correct.

I know well of the OpenWatcom endeavor, having followed the
development closely.  I still use the original Watcom compiler, which
cost me a pretty penny, for my own enterprise.  My stuff is not open.

Regards, 
Eric Schilke


Copyright (c) 2004.  All rights reserved.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:34:34 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   OT: Munich council Linux Migration hits patent issues



Have you seen this article ?  I found a link to it from
www.linux dot org

http://www.techweb dot com/wire/story/TWB20040730S0001

Perhaps they should consider eCS instead ????

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:51:49 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought



Kev schreef:

>>
>
> As for a WP, is it possible for someone to revive/revamp DeScribe.


Not really, as the developper has disappeared together with the source code.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:46:05 -0850 (CDT)
From:  "Gregory Hicks" <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:   Fwd: SEC: Unclassified. FW: August 2004 e-Newsletter

Guys,

Long time no speak, interesting to see that some suppliers are including a real 
operating system on their supported list

-Original Message-----
From: Interworld Electronics (News) [mailto:news at ieci dot com dot au] 
Sent: Monday, 2 August 2004 10:18
To: Hicks, Gregory MR
Subject: August 2004 e-Newsletter


Customer ID: 10139

Dear Gregory

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Date:  Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:20:06 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought


Kev said:

> As for a WP, is it possible for someone to revive/revamp DeScribe.
> There has been none better, for any platform!

yes, I certainly still use it.
wasn't there an article reasonabaly recently... in a Linux ezine.. with
DeScribe as an example of lost technological advances... I think



-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:22:55 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought


freiherr at earthlink dot net said:
> DeScribe does everyhthing I want or need, above all the others.  It
> doesn't need a revival or a revamping.  It is exactly what it needs to
> be.  Anyone who might fool around with it would do the equivalent of
> putting chrome wheels on an armored personnel carrier.
>
> DeScribe is just right, just as it is.  Don't mess with it.
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yes, it certainly is
perhaps the sole problem is lack of up-2-date w4w filters....


-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:30:45 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought


freiherr at earthlink dot net said:
> On 08/02/04 at 11:55 AM, Kev <k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote:
>
>>As for a WP, is it possible for someone to revive/revamp DeScribe.
>>There has been none better, for any platform!
>
> DeScribe does everyhthing I want or need, above all the others.  It
> doesn't need a revival or a revamping.  It is exactly what it needs to
> be.  Anyone who might fool around with it would do the equivalent of
> putting chrome wheels on an armored personnel carrier.
> DeScribe is just right, just as it is.  Don't mess with it.

this actually reminds about the very first copy of DeScribe I had.
It came on, I think, 4 floppies.

As I was installing it, I noticed a curious bug: as I moved the pointer
outside of the DeScribe install session, the cursor changed... from 'busy'
to 'free'.
after laughing at how buggy that software was, a curious thought struck me:
what if the cursor was actually free outside from that session...

and that was my introduction to multi threading

and, after all these years, windoze still can't multi thread at best of
times.

now they got Intel to make multi-threading hardware.

why doesn't someone tell then: it's the software, stupid



-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:47:14 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:22:55 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
>freiherr at earthlink dot net said:
>> DeScribe does everyhthing I want or need, above all the others.  It
>> doesn't need a revival or a revamping.  It is exactly what it needs to
>> be.  Anyone who might fool around with it would do the equivalent of
>> putting chrome wheels on an armored personnel carrier.
>>
>> DeScribe is just right, just as it is.  Don't mess with it.

>
>yes, it certainly is
>perhaps the sole problem is lack of up-2-date w4w filters....

Hi Voytek.

How about doing what I do?

I use StarOffice to read a Word doc, then if I need to work on it, I convert
to rtf and Save As....

Then I read it into DeScribe and go to work on it. I can save rtf in DeScribe
(even with revision marking) and send it to the other party quite safely.

SO is also good at cleaning up buggy rtf. Occasionally if DeScribe can't
handle some rtf doc, into SO it goes...

And sometimes, especially for short documents, I can just take a .doc into
DeScribe as plain text and throw away all the rubbish. It's great fun seeing
how much smaller you can make a document by this process... 


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... WHO said Windows was a Power Tool???
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Date:  Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:23:19 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought


John Angelico said:

> How about doing what I do?
> I use StarOffice to read a Word doc, then if I need to work on it, I
> convert
> to rtf and Save As....
> Then I read it into DeScribe and go to work on it. I can save rtf in
> DeScribe
> (even with revision marking) and send it to the other party quite safely.
> SO is also good at cleaning up buggy rtf. Occasionally if DeScribe can't
> handle some rtf doc, into SO it goes...
> And sometimes, especially for short documents, I can just take a .doc into
> DeScribe as plain text and throw away all the rubbish. It's great fun
> seeing
> how much smaller you can make a document by this process...

sorry, too complicated..... for a simple person like me...
also, I don't have SO... or the hardware to run it...

now that I have an USB-only Palm, I need to use windoze for that, anyhow;
same goes for word docs, or power point, just use windoze for that



-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:45:50 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: Office Suites for doze as replacement for MSO, feedback sought

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>this actually reminds about the very first copy of DeScribe I had.
>It came on, I think, 4 floppies.
>
>As I was installing it, I noticed a curious bug: as I moved the pointer
>outside of the DeScribe install session, the cursor changed... from 'busy'
>to 'free'.
>after laughing at how buggy that software was, a curious thought struck me:
>what if the cursor was actually free outside from that session...
>
>and that was my introduction to multi threading
>
>and, after all these years, windoze still can't multi thread at best of
>times.
>
>now they got Intel to make multi-threading hardware.
>
>why doesn't someone tell then: it's the software, stupid
>
>
>
>  
>
I first noticed true multitasking when installing 2.0 onto a 33MHz 386 
from 5 1/4 in floppies. Seeing the install progressing independently of 
feeding in the floppies was awesome.

I also recall Moduls-2 processes running on CPM and Win3.0, but you had 
to be carefull not to have overlapping DOS calls.

Regards

Dennis.

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