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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:18:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] can't access c: thru WPS

I've had this problem before but I've forgotten why or how
I fixed it!! Every time I access my C partition thru the
WPS, it crashes the WPS. C: has my warp4.5 OS on it. All
other partitions are accessible. I can access C thru a
command line without problems
regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:45:54 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] OS/2 and Telstra Cable.


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Michael Peters wrote:

> I have just finished reading through this group's mailings
> endeavouring to find a how-to  for Telstra cable and OS/2.
> We do not have Optus cable in this area and I already have
> Telstra/Foxtel cable TV. ADSL looks much more costly.
> I can remember last year reading of the java front end,
> but that site seems has disappeared.
>
> I wish to use my OS/2 box as the gateway and have two
> win boxes in the lan. The firewall I can manage... the
> problem is I know nothing of the Cable setup ( I have
> Ian Pilkington's pictures) with OS/2 and what to tell
> the technician. If it helps I can boot this OS/2 box
> into Win98se.
>
> Michael Peters
>


In response to Michaels request here's what I have on Telstra
Big Pond Cable and OS/2. ....


Telstra Bigpond cable options - which to chose ??
=================================================

I talked to Telstra before ordering the installation. If you go with the

cheapest, unlimited download residential option, (now with an
"acceptable
use" policy) they frown on LAN attachment. However if you go for a
Business option (which can be more expensive, especially if you exceed
the monthly download limit of 512MB) they're not so worried.
This includes running servers for non-commercial training purposes.
Their standpoint is if I want a problem to be looked at it has to be
repeatable on their standard configuration as set up at time of
installation.
This means a single Win98 PC.

The extra user charge doesn't authorise multiple users, neccessarily but

rather and extra e-mail account (no increase on web space if I remember
correctly). Without a LAN setup, you cant have both users on at the same

time.

Use of Firewall - technical concepts -
======================================

The Firewall PC (I'll stick with the name Firewall PC for now although
it
may start to run other things in the future) sits between your LAN and
the
cable modem. It should have two NICs. The one on the cable modem side is

set up as a DHCP port (ie Telstra auto allocate it an IP address). The
one connected to your LAN, you need to give a fixed IP address. Let's
say
192.168.1.1 for example.

The default route setting on all your LAN PCs should be set to this
address and each should be given it's own fixed IP address - lets say
192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 etc. These PCs should be configured manually

to have the Telstra DNS addresses as they will not get them via DHCP.
This applies whether your LAN PCs are Windoze or OS/2.

 The LAN PCS talk pure TCPIP to your Firewall PC. If you don't intend
networking between the PCs in the LAN, don't even configure NetBeui on
them and take out any Net start Req from the startup.cmd file on your
OS/2 LAN PCs and any protocol entry apart from TCPIP in MPTS.

  The firewall PC will be configured in MPTS with ONLY TCPIP protocol
on both NICs.

OK if we say lan0 (first card) is the Cable side of the firewall, and
lan1 (second card) is the internal LAN side.

You will be running the Internet firewall with NAT support as the "link"

between your LAN and the Internet.

The internet will not be able to see any PCs inside your LAN directly
and the PCs inside your LAN will only see the Internet by going via
the Firewall PC. Hence the reason why every PC on the LAN will need
a default route defined through TCPCFG2 to point at the firewalls lan1
card (192.168.1.1).

Any IP based applications on the firewall PC are visible from both your
LAN PCs and the Internet. Hence if you want to run an email or web
server,
the easiest option is to run it on the Firewall PC however by using the
firewall configuration tables you can set up secure entry to servers on
your LAN from the internet. Please refer to Ian Manner's very good doco
on this - reference to this site at the end of this document.

The firewall is there to stop anyone "hacking" into your LAN, however
anything on the Firewall PC could be considered in a possibly dangerous
area so NEVER store data on the firewall PC. If you want to host some
data on the web site, keep the data on your file server and through
Java programming access this from the firewall PC when required.

IP Addresses. The ISP provided IP address may be a fixed address,
something like 202.134.7.89 but it is more likely to be a DHCP address
from a group of addresses, say anywhere between 202.134.7.1 and
202.134.7.254.  You don't need to know the address for the firewall
to work. The lan0 card is defined in TCPCFG2 to use a DHCP address
and when it connects or re-connects it is given it's address by the
ISP's DHCP server.

Now what happens when a PC on the LAN want's to go to and get
a page from a website ? Well a machine (or "host")'s identification
is not just the IP address but actually the IP address plus a 4 digit
port number.

Lets say PC number 1 on your LAN want's to access a website. The
PC with IP address 192.168.1.2 accesses the firwall PC and the Injoy
software see's this request, if it were simply to pass this through,
the ISP's computer systems wouldn't accept it as it was expecting
requests only from 202.134.7.89 - so it passes the request across
but modifies the packet to say it came from 202.134.7.89. In principal
this is OK, but if multiple PCs on the LAN want to access the internet
how does the Injoy software know where to send the reply back to?
It gets a packet that says it came from 202.134.7.89 (the firewall PC)
but Injoy wouldn't know which LAN PC to pass it back to. So on the
way out Injoy actually increments the port number on the request
and keeps a table of LAN IP addresses and port number increment.
This is called Network Address translation (NAT) or IP masqarading.
So if LAN PC  number 1 makes a request to IP address 11.10.3.4 at
port 80 the request would be sent out perhaps with a return address of
202.34.7.89 port 6080. Lan PC number 2 would perhaps be said to have a
return address of 202.34.7.89 port 7080. When the packets are returned
injoy see's one destined for 202.34.7.89 port 6080 and send it on to
192.168.1.2 port 80, simerly the packet labeled for 202.34.7.89 port
7080 is sent to LAN PC 2 at 192.168.1.3 port 80.

If you are running an email server or web server on the firewall PC,
people can send and receive data from these but only if they know
the IP address of the PC. Hence USERNameat202.34.7.89 - which is probably

going to cause some confusion as people are used to email addresses that

look like UserNameatBillsCo dot com dot au

This is why if you wish to run a server, be it an email or a web server
there has to be a conversion between 202.34.7.89 and BillsCo dot com dot au
somewhere, and this is what a DNS (or Directory Name Server) does.

There has been set up recently a free service to help with this problem.

An organisation called DYNDNS.ORG (Dynmaic DNS) will allow anyone to
use their DNS server to have the IP address to name resolution taken
care of. It also allows for a client (OS/2 supported) on your system
to tell the DNS when your IP address has changed and so no one will
realise that it has changed. If you don't have a fixed IP address
check out their site at WWW.DYNDNS.ORG

Firewall - Hardware.
====================

In-joy firewall does not work with all NICs. I had trouble with an Intel

NIC and I have heard of problems with some Accton models. If you can,
use PCI rather than AT Bus cards.

I'm using an IBM PCI Ethernet (10 Mb/s) card to talk to the Telstra
(Nortel) modem and have a Kingston card from the firewall to my LAN.

The Telstra supplied card is installed in my wife's Win98 PC and my
OS/2 Conv pack / OS/2 Warp 4.5 / Win 98 box is using another IBM card.
So  can't tell you if the (10/100) Telstra card runs under OS/2 or not.

It is important to make sure your network cards are working BEFORE
installing the FX Communications software as acces to MPTS settings
is not possible once the Injoy "fxwrap" module is installed. You can
simply do this by typing ifconfig lan0 and ifconfig lan1 at a command
line. If lan0 (cable) side is working it should show an IP address as
the inet parameter - this is the address allocated by Telstra. The lan1
card should show it's inet as the IP address you configured
(192.168.1.1).

Installing the firewall in a default mode (no filtering, no routing) is
simply a matter of running the install script and confirming which port
is external and which internal after you have modified gateway.cf_ and
renamed it as gateway.cf

To start the firewall software simply type (or add to strtup.cmd or the
startup folder)  Gateway -p60

You may chose to customise the firewall further and this will also
entail
modifying other cnf files as needed. This is all documented in the
FX communications firewall package.

Login client - Java or Native port to OS/2 from *nix.
=====================================================

I guess the next step is going to be how to setup the login via Cable
using one of the two BPALOGIN clients.

The ported version loads quicker than the Java client, but since it
doesn't re-load very often this is perhaps not so important. The java
client has also recovered dropped connections without problems. I use
Paul's client (which you can get from Hobbes - search on BPALOGIN) but
you could also use the Java one if you have Java installed - that one
I downloaded from http://www.users.bigpond dot net dot au/bpalogin

If you are autostarting the firewall, then you can simply add the
following
line into Startup.cmd to perform the log on, or you can create an object
in
the startup folder.

BPALOGIN -C bpalogin.conf

(You need to add your userid and password into the bpalogin.conf file).


As they always say E & OE - but if I've missed something or got
something
wrong please let me know so I can correct it - this is very much a "work

in progress" !



Useful references:
==================
Hi all

For those who are interested, here is a quick page I put together
lastnight on setting up injoy's Firewall with internal servers.

http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/firewall/injoyfirewall.html

I will slowly add to this, and put the rules into tables etc.
As well as add more filters, and a general setup for those
of you who have no internal servers etc.

Cheers
Ian B Manners






Regards,

Ed Durrant.

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Michael Peters wrote:
<p>> I have just finished reading through this group's mailings
<br>> endeavouring to find a how-to&nbsp; for Telstra cable and OS/2.
<br>> We do not have Optus cable in this area and I already have
<br>> Telstra/Foxtel cable TV. ADSL looks much more costly.
<br>> I can remember last year reading of the java front end,
<br>> but that site seems has disappeared.
<br>>
<br>> I wish to use my OS/2 box as the gateway and have two
<br>> win boxes in the lan. The firewall I can manage... the
<br>> problem is I know nothing of the Cable setup ( I have
<br>> Ian Pilkington's pictures) with OS/2 and what to tell
<br>> the technician. If it helps I can boot this OS/2 box
<br>> into Win98se.
<br>>
<br>> Michael Peters
<br>>
<br>&nbsp;
<p>In response to Michaels request here's what I have on Telstra
<br>Big Pond Cable and OS/2. ....
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Telstra Bigpond cable options - which to chose ??
<br>=================================================
<p>I talked to Telstra before ordering the installation. If you go with
the
<br>cheapest, unlimited download residential option, (now with an "acceptable
<br>use" policy) they frown on LAN attachment. However if you go for a
<br>Business option (which can be more expensive, especially if you exceed
<br>the monthly download limit of 512MB) they're not so worried.
<br>This includes running servers for non-commercial training purposes.
<br>Their standpoint is if I want a problem to be looked at it has to be
<br>repeatable on their standard configuration as set up at time of installation.
<br>This means a single Win98 PC.
<p>The extra user charge doesn't authorise multiple users, neccessarily
but
<br>rather and extra e-mail account (no increase on web space if I remember
<br>correctly). Without a LAN setup, you cant have both users on at the
same
<br>time.
<p>Use of Firewall - technical concepts -
<br>======================================
<p>The Firewall PC (I'll stick with the name Firewall PC for now although
it
<br>may start to run other things in the future) sits between your LAN
and the
<br>cable modem. It should have two NICs. The one on the cable modem side
is
<br>set up as a DHCP port (ie Telstra auto allocate it an IP address).
The
<br>one connected to your LAN, you need to give a fixed IP address. Let's
say
<br>192.168.1.1 for example.
<p>The default route setting on all your LAN PCs should be set to this
<br>address and each should be given it's own fixed IP address - lets say
<br>192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 etc. These PCs should be configured manually
<br>to have the Telstra DNS addresses as they will not get them via DHCP.
<br>This applies whether your LAN PCs are Windoze or OS/2.
<p>&nbsp;The LAN PCS talk pure TCPIP to your Firewall PC. If you don't
intend
<br>networking between the PCs in the LAN, don't even configure NetBeui
on
<br>them and take out any Net start Req from the startup.cmd file on your
<br>OS/2 LAN PCs and any protocol entry apart from TCPIP in MPTS.
<p>&nbsp; The firewall PC will be configured in MPTS with ONLY TCPIP protocol
<br>on both NICs.
<p>OK if we say lan0 (first card) is the Cable side of the firewall, and
<br>lan1 (second card) is the internal LAN side.
<p>You will be running the Internet firewall with NAT support as the "link"
<br>between your LAN and the Internet.
<p>The internet will not be able to see any PCs inside your LAN directly
<br>and the PCs inside your LAN will only see the Internet by going via
<br>the Firewall PC. Hence the reason why every PC on the LAN will need
<br>a default route defined through TCPCFG2 to point at the firewalls lan1
<br>card (192.168.1.1).
<p>Any IP based applications on the firewall PC are visible from both your
<br>LAN PCs and the Internet. Hence if you want to run an email or web
server,
<br>the easiest option is to run it on the Firewall PC however by using
the
<br>firewall configuration tables you can set up secure entry to servers
on
<br>your LAN from the internet. Please refer to Ian Manner's very good
doco
<br>on this - reference to this site at the end of this document.
<p>The firewall is there to stop anyone "hacking" into your LAN, however
<br>anything on the Firewall PC could be considered in a possibly dangerous
<br>area so NEVER store data on the firewall PC. If you want to host some
<br>data on the web site, keep the data on your file server and through
<br>Java programming access this from the firewall PC when required.
<p>IP Addresses. The ISP provided IP address may be a fixed address,
<br>something like 202.134.7.89 but it is more likely to be a DHCP address
<br>from a group of addresses, say anywhere between 202.134.7.1 and
<br>202.134.7.254.&nbsp; You don't need to know the address for the firewall
<br>to work. The lan0 card is defined in TCPCFG2 to use a DHCP address
<br>and when it connects or re-connects it is given it's address by the
<br>ISP's DHCP server.
<p>Now what happens when a PC on the LAN want's to go to and get
<br>a page from a website ? Well a machine (or "host")'s identification
<br>is not just the IP address but actually the IP address plus a 4 digit
<br>port number.
<p>Lets say PC number 1 on your LAN want's to access a website. The
<br>PC with IP address 192.168.1.2 accesses the firwall PC and the Injoy
<br>software see's this request, if it were simply to pass this through,
<br>the ISP's computer systems wouldn't accept it as it was expecting
<br>requests only from 202.134.7.89 - so it passes the request across
<br>but modifies the packet to say it came from 202.134.7.89. In principal
<br>this is OK, but if multiple PCs on the LAN want to access the internet
<br>how does the Injoy software know where to send the reply back to?
<br>It gets a packet that says it came from 202.134.7.89 (the firewall
PC)
<br>but Injoy wouldn't know which LAN PC to pass it back to. So on the
<br>way out Injoy actually increments the port number on the request
<br>and keeps a table of LAN IP addresses and port number increment.
<br>This is called Network Address translation (NAT) or IP masqarading.
<br>So if LAN PC&nbsp; number 1 makes a request to IP address 11.10.3.4
at
<br>port 80 the request would be sent out perhaps with a return address
of
<br>202.34.7.89 port 6080. Lan PC number 2 would perhaps be said to have
a
<br>return address of 202.34.7.89 port 7080. When the packets are returned
<br>injoy see's one destined for 202.34.7.89 port 6080 and send it on to
<br>192.168.1.2 port 80, simerly the packet labeled for 202.34.7.89 port
<br>7080 is sent to LAN PC 2 at 192.168.1.3 port 80.
<p>If you are running an email server or web server on the firewall PC,
<br>people can send and receive data from these but only if they know
<br>the IP address of the PC. Hence USERNameat202.34.7.89 - which is probably
<br>going to cause some confusion as people are used to email addresses
that
<br>look like UserNameatBillsCo dot com dot au
<p>This is why if you wish to run a server, be it an email or a web server
<br>there has to be a conversion between 202.34.7.89 and BillsCo dot com dot au
<br>somewhere, and this is what a DNS (or Directory Name Server) does.
<p>There has been set up recently a free service to help with this problem.
<p>An organisation called DYNDNS.ORG (Dynmaic DNS) will allow anyone to
<br>use their DNS server to have the IP address to name resolution taken
<br>care of. It also allows for a client (OS/2 supported) on your system
<br>to tell the DNS when your IP address has changed and so no one will
<br>realise that it has changed. If you don't have a fixed IP address
<br>check out their site at WWW.DYNDNS.ORG
<p>Firewall - Hardware.
<br>====================
<p>In-joy firewall does not work with all NICs. I had trouble with an Intel
<br>NIC and I have heard of problems with some Accton models. If you can,
<br>use PCI rather than AT Bus cards.
<p>I'm using an IBM PCI Ethernet (10 Mb/s) card to talk to the Telstra
<br>(Nortel) modem and have a Kingston card from the firewall to my LAN.
<p>The Telstra supplied card is installed in my wife's Win98 PC and my
<br>OS/2 Conv pack / OS/2 Warp 4.5 / Win 98 box is using another IBM card.
<br>So&nbsp; can't tell you if the (10/100) Telstra card runs under OS/2
or not.
<p>It is important to make sure your network cards are working BEFORE
<br>installing the FX Communications software as acces to MPTS settings
<br>is not possible once the Injoy "fxwrap" module is installed. You can
<br>simply do this by typing ifconfig lan0 and ifconfig lan1 at a command
<br>line. If lan0 (cable) side is working it should show an IP address
as
<br>the inet parameter - this is the address allocated by Telstra. The
lan1
<br>card should show it's inet as the IP address you configured (192.168.1.1).
<p>Installing the firewall in a default mode (no filtering, no routing)
is
<br>simply a matter of running the install script and confirming which
port
<br>is external and which internal after you have modified gateway.cf_
and
<br>renamed it as gateway.cf
<p>To start the firewall software simply type (or add to strtup.cmd or
the
<br>startup folder)&nbsp; Gateway -p60
<p>You may chose to customise the firewall further and this will also entail
<br>modifying other cnf files as needed. This is all documented in the
<br>FX communications firewall package.
<p>Login client - Java or Native port to OS/2 from *nix.
<br>=====================================================
<p>I guess the next step is going to be how to setup the login via Cable
<br>using one of the two BPALOGIN clients.
<p>The ported version loads quicker than the Java client, but since it
<br>doesn't re-load very often this is perhaps not so important. The java
<br>client has also recovered dropped connections without problems. I use
<br>Paul's client (which you can get from Hobbes - search on BPALOGIN)
but
<br>you could also use the Java one if you have Java installed - that one
<br>I downloaded from <A HREF="http://www.users.bigpond dot net dot au/bpalogin">http://www.users.bigpond dot net dot au/bpalogin</A>
<p>If you are autostarting the firewall, then you can simply add the following
<br>line into Startup.cmd to perform the log on, or you can create an object
in
<br>the startup folder.
<p>BPALOGIN -C bpalogin.conf
<p>(You need to add your userid and password into the bpalogin.conf file).
<br>&nbsp;
<p>As they always say E &amp; OE - but if I've missed something or got
something
<br>wrong please let me know so I can correct it - this is very much a
"work
<br>in progress" !
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Useful references:
<br>==================
<br><i>Hi all</i><i></i>
<p><i>For those who are interested, here is a quick page I put together</i>
<br><i>lastnight on setting up injoy's Firewall with internal servers.</i><i></i>
<p><i><A HREF="http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/firewall/injoyfirewall.html">http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/firewall/injoyfirewall.html</A></i><i></i>
<p><i>I will slowly add to this, and put the rules into tables etc.</i>
<br><i>As well as add more filters, and a general setup for those</i>
<br><i>of you who have no internal servers etc.</i><i></i>
<p><i>Cheers</i>
<br><i>Ian B Manners</i>
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Regards,
<p>Ed Durrant.</html>

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:48:43 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

There exists UDF support for OS/2 (in fact an updated version 1.2.1 has
just been released on Software choice). The blurb suggests it supports
DVD and CD-RW drives.

My question is simple - How ?    (I said the question was simple - the
answer
may not be !).

There are no apparent applications, only drivers, from this I would
assume
that having installed the software I should simply be able to access the
drive
(be it DVD or CD-RW) like a harddrive and read and write to it.

The readme only lists a few supported DVD drives and no CD-RW drives.
These are  mix of SCSI and EIDE drives, all of which appear
un-obtainable
now as the models have been superceded. Before I go and buy a DVD drive
I'd like to know if it's likely to work and what I can use it for - ie
is this only
for normal datafiles are can I read files from DVD movie disks and play
them,
if so using which software (DiVx ??).

I already have a Ricoh CD-RW drive that works well with CD-Record/2.
Should
the UDF software be able to access and update disks in this drive ??

Cheers/2

Ed Durrant.

4==============================================

From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:09 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

Hi ED,

To sum up my miniscule knowledge of DVD under Os/2,
the driver is only supposed to enable DVD DATA read access.

In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD
under Os/2.

An ex member of MelbPc Os/2 SIG, Terry Kemp, has bought a DVD IDE drive
and has tried the IBM DVD drivers under os/2 and has expressed his satisfaction
of them.  He has used them to read a DVD that comes with an english
computer magazine, successfully.

However, there is _NO_ DVD video or multimedia applications as yet, that
are available and that will run and view a DVD under os/2.

I would love to be corrected in any of the above.
Why don't you dip into your pocket and live dangerously at the bleeding edge
of Os/2 technology, and then let us all know from YOUR direct experience.  :) :)

<Big bloody Grin>

This would save ME the trouble of trying to find this out.

Yours in anticipation,
BobT.



On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:48:43 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

> There exists UDF support for OS/2 (in fact an updated version 1.2.1 has
> just been released on Software choice). The blurb suggests it supports
> DVD and CD-RW drives.
> 
> My question is simple - How ?    (I said the question was simple - the
> answer
> may not be !).
> 
> There are no apparent applications, only drivers, from this I would
> assume
> that having installed the software I should simply be able to access the
> drive
> (be it DVD or CD-RW) like a harddrive and read and write to it.
> 
> The readme only lists a few supported DVD drives and no CD-RW drives.
> These are  mix of SCSI and EIDE drives, all of which appear
> un-obtainable
> now as the models have been superceded. Before I go and buy a DVD drive
> I'd like to know if it's likely to work and what I can use it for - ie
> is this only
> for normal datafiles are can I read files from DVD movie disks and play
> them,
> if so using which software (DiVx ??).
> 
> I already have a Ricoh CD-RW drive that works well with CD-Record/2.
> Should
> the UDF software be able to access and update disks in this drive ??
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed Durrant.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 


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From: "voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:33:34 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:09 +1000 (EST), Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:

>In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD
>under Os/2.

even though that's what they say, my now ancient TP770 was able to read DVDs with plain Warp4, just like that


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From: "Bob Ogden" <bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:40:52 +0900
Subject: [os2genau] Bigpond passwords stolen

Slashdot has an article on bigpond being cracked and a bunch of passwords
being publicly posted to prove it. 

Australian Broadband Users Group (ABUG) http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ has
details.

CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD if you're on bigpond!

-- 
/-- Bob Ogden  bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au --------------/
/  ---... -....- -.--.-                   Finger  for PGP key -----/
Only 31539392274 seconds till the _next_ millennium! 



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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:45:59 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

So warp 4 (without the UDF additions) could already read DVD-Data CDs ?
Perhaps this was something with the TP770 Drive ?? Actually since the DVD
Drive and a CD Drive re both EIDE Interface, I guess the only problem would
be if the file system was different in some way. The DVD "divers"

Since the "drivers" are updated EIDE drivers plus an UDF IFS, this would
make sense.

What I find interesting though is that the doco states these drivers are for DVD,
DVD-R *AND* CD-RW. when I try to write to my CD-RW, I get the message that
the disk is write protected !  If I try to format it, it comes back and says the
file system is CDFS and doesn't do anything else !

Ed.

voytek wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:09 +1000 (EST), Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:
>
> >In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD
> >under Os/2.
>
> even though that's what they say, my now ancient TP770 was able to read DVDs with plain Warp4, just like that
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:47:57 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

It doesn't surprise me that this would be only Data. I guess that I'd
have to "rip" a DVD movie track before I could play it perhaps
via WarpMedia or Z OS/2 DiVX players.

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> Hi ED,
>
> To sum up my miniscule knowledge of DVD under Os/2,
> the driver is only supposed to enable DVD DATA read access.
>
> In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD
> under Os/2.
>
> An ex member of MelbPc Os/2 SIG, Terry Kemp, has bought a DVD IDE drive
> and has tried the IBM DVD drivers under os/2 and has expressed his satisfaction
> of them.  He has used them to read a DVD that comes with an english
> computer magazine, successfully.
>
> However, there is _NO_ DVD video or multimedia applications as yet, that
> are available and that will run and view a DVD under os/2.
>
> I would love to be corrected in any of the above.
> Why don't you dip into your pocket and live dangerously at the bleeding edge
> of Os/2 technology, and then let us all know from YOUR direct experience.  :) :)
>
> <Big bloody Grin>
>
> This would save ME the trouble of trying to find this out.
>
> Yours in anticipation,
> BobT.
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:48:43 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> > There exists UDF support for OS/2 (in fact an updated version 1.2.1 has
> > just been released on Software choice). The blurb suggests it supports
> > DVD and CD-RW drives.
> >
> > My question is simple - How ?    (I said the question was simple - the
> > answer
> > may not be !).
> >
> > There are no apparent applications, only drivers, from this I would
> > assume
> > that having installed the software I should simply be able to access the
> > drive
> > (be it DVD or CD-RW) like a harddrive and read and write to it.
> >
> > The readme only lists a few supported DVD drives and no CD-RW drives.
> > These are  mix of SCSI and EIDE drives, all of which appear
> > un-obtainable
> > now as the models have been superceded. Before I go and buy a DVD drive
> > I'd like to know if it's likely to work and what I can use it for - ie
> > is this only
> > for normal datafiles are can I read files from DVD movie disks and play
> > them,
> > if so using which software (DiVx ??).
> >
> > I already have a Ricoh CD-RW drive that works well with CD-Record/2.
> > Should
> > the UDF software be able to access and update disks in this drive ??
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed Durrant.
>
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:01:49 +1000
From: Terry Kemp <tpktatoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released

Hi All

After a long wait Opera browser for OS/2 has been released .


Regards Terry


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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:10:48 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released

Yes, Last week.

But this is still a beta, and there are some problems with it - checkout
the warpbrowsers list at yahoogroups dot com for details.

Ed.

Terry Kemp wrote:

> Hi All
>
> After a long wait Opera browser for OS/2 has been released .
>
> Regards Terry
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:09:26 +1000
From: Terry Kemp <tpktatoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

22/07/2001 7:47:57 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> wrote:

Hi ED

For your information I Brought a Pioneer 16 Speed DVD the main reason I brought as a replacement for  a broken 
CD-ROM it cost about twice the price of 50 speed CD-ROM  , and as bob put said it worked perfectly under OS/2 for 
DATA only to extract DVD movies you need a decrpiton program  called DECSS (WinDOZE) which has been baned by 
US Courts but is still advaliable .

Regards Terry


>It doesn't surprise me that this would be only Data. I guess that I'd
>have to "rip" a DVD movie track before I could play it perhaps
>via WarpMedia or Z OS/2 DiVX players. 
>
>Ed.
>
>"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
>
>> Hi ED,
>>
>> To sum up my miniscule knowledge of DVD under Os/2,
>> the driver is only supposed to enable DVD DATA read access.
>>
>> In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD
>> under Os/2.
>>
>> An ex member of MelbPc Os/2 SIG, Terry Kemp, has bought a DVD IDE drive
>> and has tried the IBM DVD drivers under os/2 and has expressed his satisfaction
>> of them.  He has used them to read a DVD that comes with an english
>> computer magazine, successfully.
>>


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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:08:53 +1000
From: Terry Kemp <tpktatoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] http://www.hardwareanalysis dot com/content/reviews/article/1275/

http://www.hardwareanalysis dot com/content/reviews/article/1275/

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:18:46 +1000
From: Terry Kemp <tpktatoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Wrong Address

Hi  All

Sorry wrong address for the previous post !!



Regards Terry


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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:43:01 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

** Reply to note from Terry Kemp <tpktatoptushome dot com dot au> Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:09:26 +1000


> DATA only to extract DVD movies you need a decrpiton program  called DECSS 
> (WinDOZE) which has been baned by  
> US Courts but is still advaliable .

AFAIK, DECSS was developed for/on Linux, not windoze

hopefully someone.... might port it to OS/2..

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:43:02 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:45:59 +1000


> So warp 4 (without the UDF additions) could already read DVD-Data CDs ? 
> Perhaps this was something with the TP770 Drive ?? Actually since the DVD 
> Drive and a CD Drive re both EIDE Interface, I guess the only problem would 
> be if the file system was different in some way. The DVD "divers" 
>    
> Since the "drivers" are updated EIDE drivers plus an UDF IFS, this would 
> make sense.

yes.
perhaps, the specs for dvd drive stated 'os/2 support'
it also worked as a CD for installing OS/2, and, boots OS/2 from bootable CD

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:43:04 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Bigpond passwords stolen

** Reply to note from "Bob Ogden" <bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au> Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:40:52 +0900


> http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/

they don't like my browser...:

Whirlpool strongly advises you to  upgrade your web browser. 

(btw, StG bank NO LONGER checks browser compliance, N/2 works again...)



Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
