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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:58:26 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson Stylus 680 problems

Alan Duval schreef:

> Hi Kris,
>
> > > Download the latest omni.exe file and unpack it in a temporary directory.
> > Then, open
> > > the file omni.lst and look what printers are listed there.
> > > But don't forget to install the latest print01.sys:
>
> Where can I download these two files from?
>

The file omni.lst is a part of the file omni.exe which is available here:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm dot com/ps/products/os2/printpak/

And the latest print01.sys with PCI support is available at the regular DD drivers
site.


>
> Haven't seen the HP Deskjet 970C advertised here.

A bit surprising, as this HP type is on the market for almost 2 years here.


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:30:00 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Epson 680

Hi Wendy,
 Unfortunately, the 680 uses different cartridges to just about ALL
other models. I think this is because it's a 2880 DPI printer - the
prints
at this resolution on glossy paper really ARE photo quality !

 As I said - $54 for the replacment black cartridge. We'll see if they
are any cheaper at the computer fair on Sunday.

Cheers/2
Ed. 

Leeward Cove Holiday Units wrote:
> 
> Dear Ed
> 
> I've been using an Epson Stylus 640 for some time.  I use "Color Jet"
> replacement cartridges, and at $20 (black) and $25 (coloured) it's no
> big deal to have an extra on hand, and hardly worth the trouble of
> refilling, which I used to do on my HP.  They are available for the 680
> as well, and may well be cheaper in the city (I live in East Gippsland)
> 
> One advantage of the Epson 640 is that the light flashes when the
> cartridge is nearly empty, but it keeps on producing good copies until
> the light stays on and it won't print at all.  The HP would keep going,
> missing lines etc; even more of a nuisance when  I  was printing a
> number of double sided copies and not watching what was going on.
> 
> If all else fails and you have an urgent letter you can always change
> the colour to navy blue or charcoal grey and the colour cartridge will
> print it.
> 
> One of our sons uses the Canon which Alan mentioned with the separate
> colour cartridges.  He does a lot of colour printing and finds replacing
> the  colours as he uses them saves him money, otherwise he would use the
> corresponding Epson version.
> 
> Wendy Podger
 
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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:11:11 +1000

Peoples,

I'm not sure if I'm being a stick in the mud as this all seems a fair way
off, but there may be a problem with ODIN and/or any hardware based support
(e.g. Freedom card) support for Win32 apps in Ecs.  I'm not talking a
technical problem, but doesn't the MS EULA for Office state that you must be
a licenced user of Windoze?  I could be wrong about that, and I querey
whether this is enforceable in any event.  But it was just something that
bugged me...

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From: "VanEps, Brad" <BVanEpsatracq dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:18:05 +1000

G'Day,

> Does anybody actually use samba?

I've used it in production environments on both Solaris and OpenVMS servers
to allow Windoze PC's to access files related to database services provided
by those servers.


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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:29:13 +0900 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2 SIG eCS Install Fest delayed :(

Hello everyone!

A short note to tell you some good news and some bad news!

I have had an email from Mark Rogers to say that 
a) he has GA code as of now (hooray!!)

b) but it will take a while to burn the CDs so can we defer the
install fest by one week to the 23rd (boo! but with a<g>) 

I have asked the MelbPC office if the 23rd is still OK and am
awaiting their confirmation<sigh>.

Please plan for the 23rd if you can (it's actually good news for me
- I can be there!) and I will confirm as soon as I know from the
Office (both on this list and on the VoiceNews broadcast).

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:01:00 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

Hi All,
Samba is much better & secure than NFS.
Also file-locking is much better.

If a Windoze box will talk to it using SMB technology, so should an OS/2
box running LAN Requester or PEER.
Note of course, you must be running TCPBEUI network protocol:- no big
deal.

I'm not sure if the Linux Samba team have duplicated the function of a
Primary Domain Controller yet:- but it is close.

I am much more comfortable making a Warp Server box run than a Samba,
but that it not to say it is inferior.

OS/2 might be Queen on the Desktop & WS4eB is an excellent server OS,
but so is Linux running Samba.

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:11:59 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:11:11 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:

>Peoples,
>
>I'm not sure if I'm being a stick in the mud as this all seems a fair way
>off, but there may be a problem with ODIN and/or any hardware based support
>(e.g. Freedom card) support for Win32 apps in Ecs.  I'm not talking a
>technical problem, but doesn't the MS EULA for Office state that you must be
>a licenced user of Windoze?  I could be wrong about that, and I querey
>whether this is enforceable in any event.  But it was just something that
>bugged me...
>
well I suppose you can still be a licenced user of windows
but run it under Odin/OS/2, or does the EULA say that you
must run it under the latest and greatest version of
windows?
regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:44:35 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] http file downloads using Netscape

Hi,
Has anyone had problems D/L files from Web-Servers using Netscape & http
protocol?

Using wget seems OK.

The Web-Server says its running:
Server: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix)  (Terra 2.0)

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:24:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's

Hi Trevor

>I'm not sure if I'm being a stick in the mud as this all seems a fair way
>off, but there may be a problem with ODIN and/or any hardware based support
>(e.g. Freedom card) support for Win32 apps in Ecs.  I'm not talking a
>technical problem, but doesn't the MS EULA for Office state that you must be
>a licenced user of Windoze?  I could be wrong about that, and I querey
>whether this is enforceable in any event.  But it was just something that
>bugged me...

Most people do , as anyone that buys a computer through legal channels has
already got Windows due to the OEM contract Microsoft forces resellers, distributors,
and manufacturers to sign.

I think the pivotal issue leads back to two matters.

1) It is illegal to say you need Product A before you can have Product B,
    ie, you can legally buy car parts, though you don't own the car they
    are, or could be, a part of. Some American states have some strange
    ideas of "freedom", and Interpretation. A bit like the Family Law 
   Court is in theory "Federal" but in reality, Western Australias
   "interpretation" of these laws leave a lot to be desired.
    Even if it was legal, the license is only enforcable in select countries.

  (any weapons owners here, will know this doesn't apply to them
  depending on what state they are in)

  I believe that parts of the Microsoft license are NOT enforcable
  in Australia, as local laws overrule select parts anyway.

2) Odin was built by discovering API's and other interfaces, then ODIN
    was slowly built to be able to use these API's, this way ODIN is not
    breaking any laws.

But Microsoft wants to remove the people, and perceived loss
of sales, by rewording their licenses to give the impression that
people are breaking the law, when in reality they are not.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:40:24 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

Just heard back from the Linux Guys.

Have a look at the OS2_client.txt file in the textdocs directory of
your samba distributions documentation.

It can replace a PDC & a BDC is on the way!

There is even a samba client for OS/2!
However, don't know how well it is integrated into the WPS.

Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> can someone tell me the state of the play with warp4 and samba.
> Last I heard there was a little trouble with netbios over tcp/ip
> and a fix was to be compiled into samba.
> Is it yet as easy as attaching a win box to samba.
> 
> steve
> _______________
> Steve Edmonds
> Steve71atattglobal dot net
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:30 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2 SIG eCS Install Fest delayed :(

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:29:13 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote:

Hi all!

Confirmed that June 23rd is OK. So Install-Fest Lives On!

Please could I ask those who are coming and who have already
ordered and paid for their copy/ies of eCS, to let me know again if
ytou are coming so I can inform Mark Rogers. 

Sorry to do this all over again, but I think it will be the
cleanest approach.

A modified form of this message will be going out to VoiceNews
soon.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
____________________________________________
 
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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:10:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] A hardware point

Hi Ed,

I'm glad to get some perspective on this issue.  I did not know about the Win98 standard and that ME, NT & 
2000 were also subject to some hardware issues.  I just assumed that hardware companies would develop 
blindly because of the Microsoft lable.  I am not a conformest, never have been, never will be.  I guess it's the 
artist in me, so I'd still like to be able to grab a scanner or CD burner with out the hassel of having to order a 
specific brand and model that is supported through a third party driver.  Oh well.

Thanx buddy.

Cheers

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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:17:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sierra's AGI

Hey Ian,

You know, you're absolutely right.  Perhaps I will, then I can do other things for our OS as well.

My last programming experience was Turbo Pascal v1 on DOS at school (that was a while ago :-) ).  I do 
have TP 5.5, but haven't done well.... ANYTHING with it.

Cheers

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:44:41 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <vh_gdnatinternode.on dot net>
Subject: [os2genau] Pentium III

Hi All,

Anyone on the list have any experience at disassembling the fan and
backing plate from a Slot 1 PIII CPU.

I could find only a dead link about it on a web search. I think I know
how, but I would be happy for any advice before I try, and before I get
to any possible "Oh-Oh!!  I shouldn't have done it that way" situation.

I want to add a more grunty cooler to my PIII/550 so I can try
overbussing it higher than the 645 it is running at the moment.

Thanks for any help,
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.chariot dot net dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:36:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sierra's AGI

Hi Gavin

>You know, you're absolutely right.  Perhaps I will, then I can do other things for our OS 
as well.

If you need a hand, I can direct you to the required GCC and other
files, there is also the unixos2 list which is either found via our list
page below, or I can email you privately.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:46:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Pentium III

Hi Leigh

>Anyone on the list have any experience at disassembling the fan and
>backing plate from a Slot 1 PIII CPU.

I can help you out with this, or Daryl maybe able to as well.

It's better with pictures,if I can find some, I'll email you these
privately in about 45 minutes after my dinner :-)

First though, make sure you have the correct replacement
heatsink arrangement, I have on one occasion ordered some
fridge coolers and got the ones for the early PII's, which dont
fit PIII's no matter what you do.

The secret is in the 4 recessed holes on the back of the CPU,
these are secured using plastic barbs, which if you have an
appropriatly sized metal PCB standoff, you can sqeeze the small
metal tube over these and then jimmy off with a small flat blade
screw driver.

Failing that, cut off the excess with some small snips, or cautiously
with a sharp knife as close to the base of the barbs, then use the
tip of a soldering iron to melt the rest while appling light force
so it slips through the securing hole, one at a time.

>I want to add a more grunty cooler to my PIII/550 so I can try
>overbussing it higher than the 645 it is running at the moment.

If you are over bussing it by 30% and it works, I wouldnt attempt
going any higher, best long term stability is about 20%.

Be warned, a lot of CPU fridge units have cheap fans that
can fail after 12 months of use, resulting in the dialectric
exploding, and possibly damaging the M/B, and/or CPU.

I like IBM's way of not using CPU fans but bloody big
heatsinks, with a standard 5 or 7cm bearing fan on the case
blowing air through the heatsink fins.

My main Netfinity here also has a fan infront of the
main HD bays, so the unit has a total of 4 fans :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:03:59 +0900 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Melbourne PC SIG Web Site

Howdy all!

As a part of getting the notice out regarding the revised eCS
Install Fest, No 1 son Michael and I have quickly modified the old
Melb OS/2 SIG web site and Ian Manners has put it up for all the
(internet) world to see at 

http://www./melbpc/

Why not go have a sticky-beek eh?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

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.... Falling asleep at the keyboard is called a head crash.

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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:07:30 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] samba

Hi.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:01:00 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>I'm not sure if the Linux Samba team have duplicated the function of a
>Primary Domain Controller yet:- but it is close.

I believe so.

>I am much more comfortable making a Warp Server box run than a Samba,
>but that it not to say it is inferior.

Samba and win boxes easy, just works. Administration of  a warp server box is far 
easier and more flexible. I struggled with warp and samba a few years ago and 
wondered if things had improved.

>OS/2 might be Queen on the Desktop & WS4eB is an excellent server OS,
>but so is Linux running Samba.

It would be interesting to see performance comparisons of a loaded server. Warp 
server is very good.

steve
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:12:24 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's

We purchase most PC's os free.
The os, even if windows, is an add on in most resellers in NZ (unless you go to 
harvey norman or dick smith).
Competetion has driven them to quote os free for minimum pricing.

steve


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:24:44 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:

>Most people do , as anyone that buys a computer through legal channels has
>already got Windows due to the OEM contract Microsoft forces resellers, 
distributors,
>and manufacturers to sign.
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:53:58 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] eComStation - Hosting other OS's

I suppose the next legal question would be if the conditions of sale of 
a product from Microsoft (or any other manufacturer in that case) are
flawed in the eyes of the law, does that make the whole agreement
defunct ??

Cheers/2
Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
>   I believe that parts of the Microsoft license are NOT enforcable
>   in Australia, as local laws overrule select parts anyway.

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From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:29:34 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Pentium III

In <3B273D10.BE92F225atinternode.on dot net>, on 06/13/01 
   at 06:44 PM, Leigh Bunting <vh_gdnatinternode.on dot net> said:

>Hi All,

>Anyone on the list have any experience at disassembling the fan and
>backing plate from a Slot 1 PIII CPU.

There was an article in APCmag, in one late last years issues. The article
was on overclocking and the authoe was their resident tech head. If I
remember correctly it turned out to be a less then simple job with the CPU
he had. If can find the article I will post you the issue number.

Mark

>Thanks for any help,
>Leigh Bunting
>Colonel Light Gardens
>South Australia
>Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
>http://www.chariot dot net dot au/~pknight/clghs/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 09:29 PM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:03:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Melb PC SIG Web Site now up :)

>Melb OS/2 SIG web site and Ian Manners has put it up for all the
>(internet) world to see at 

Ummmm, ok, its up now, a long dinner :-)

http://www./melbpc/

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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