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From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] National Australia Bank Internet Banking

Greetings,
Has anyone got NAB Internet Banking working?
What configuration issues are there?
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:35:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] National Australia Bank Internet Banking

Hi Daryl

>Has anyone got NAB Internet Banking working?
>What configuration issues are there?

NAB Internet Banking "was" Windows only Java when I
last looked, so I'm still using NAB's Online Direct Dial package.

I has been almost a year since I looked but if you follow the
instructions on their website, and it doesnt work, I would
call it a los and leave it at that but on the off chance you are
successful, please let us know :-))

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:33:33 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Reminder - Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting 

Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 
Time: 6:30PM - 9:30PM GST (GMT+10:00) 

The Monthly Meeting of Melbourne OS/2 SIG 

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:39:12 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Reminder - OS/2UGSA Meeting

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

The OS/2 Users Group of South Australia Meeting

Date:  Tuesday, March 27, 2001 
Time:  7:30PM - 9:30PM GST (GMT+10:00) 
Place: ARPA, 84 Archer St, North Adelaide

The Monthly Meeting of The OS/2 Users Group of South Australia.

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:39:17 +0900 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Melbourne SIG Meeting Tuesday 27th March

Achtung! Attenzione! May I have your attention please! Now Hear This!

The Melbourne OS/2 SIG will meet tomorrow evening commencing at
6:30pm in the Large SIG Room at the Melbourne PC club rooms 27 Wells
Street South Melbourne.

6:30pm Open Forum: News, Views and Interesting Happenings
7:00pm Latest interestin happenings - NEW SIG online host location
	- Mail (list operational)
	- FTP (restricted)
	- Web (active but not much to see)

Workshop: To build two pages to be uploaded to the site
	- an OS/2 Links table 
	- a page of non-Web, offline & other Resources

Please bring: 
	your favourite links to OS/2 sites on floppy 
	   preferably as a bookmark.htm file (use your name please)
	Don't worry about overlaps with other people's links - 
	   we have a Rexx script to sort that out and build the table
	Some commentary on your selections would also be helpful.

Coffee: on tap
Pizza: to follow the close of the meeting at 9:00pm.


Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:02:15 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] Computer power consumption

Greetings,
Has anyone done quantitative analysis on how much energy various type of
computers run as servers use?

ie no monitor, just the CPU box.

Is it reasonable to have a typical figure for a server, or does it vary
dramatically depending on different HDD configurations, usage &
processor type?

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:55:58 +0930
From: Greg Hicks <ghicksatihug dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Computer power consumption

hi daryl,

lomg time.

The quick and dirty method is to assume the worst case, and use the VA (Volt Amp)
rating of the power supply.  ie  a 250VA supply is a 250W (give or take due to the
cosine of the angular difference bewteen Volt and Current).

If you are really keen, then you can sit down with the manufactures data and get board
requirements, CPU, Memory cards etc etc.. add up the max values and add up the median
values, that would be more accurate, but painstaking as configurations will affect the
values slightly.

Of course activity would also contribute to the power draw, hard drives spinning up
will pull a bag of electrons out of the supply (actually seen as spikes on the power
supply load), where as ones that are spinning all the time only have a start up draw
and then need little current to maintain the spin.

Alright, you have a synopsis of the basics, proceed as you wish with this info

regards



greg

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Greetings,
> Has anyone done quantitative analysis on how much energy various type of
> computers run as servers use?
>
> ie no monitor, just the CPU box.
>
> Is it reasonable to have a typical figure for a server, or does it vary
> dramatically depending on different HDD configurations, usage &
> processor type?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
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Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:12:21 +1000

> Often the older 133/166 MHz machines out performed the newer
> 300 MHz machines - explain that !

I am unsure... I will ask some of the people sitting next to me who
'needed' their P500Mhz, P600Mhz machines running windows NT.

>    I think the problem you have is that you are running out of Threads
> rther than out of ram memory. Check in Config.sys and see what value
> is set for THREADS=. It's possibly 512 or 1024 - with your configuration
> you can easily increase this to 4095 (the maximum) and you'll probably

I currently THREADS set to 1024.  I will try it at 4095 for a test run.

> BTW also if Maxwait is set to 3 you can reduce this to 1 on a pentium

My setting is currently MAXWAIT=2, and at some time last year I have run at
1 for a test.

Thanks,
Craig

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Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:56:21 +1000

Hi Ian.

> Wouldnt even worry about RAM detection patches with IBM
> machines :-)

Yes, I don't seem to need the patch.  I assume OS/2 is using the PS/2
routines or something?  Do you know what method it would use on this type
of PC?

> What is the PC300's actual model number ?

Type 6587 Model 79T

> What graphics driver are you using ?
> The S3 genuine part or Gengrad, or SDD ?

The chipset is:     S3 86C 765 2Meg  Trio64V+

I have used the 3.03.21 and 3.03.29 drivers for the Trio64V+ available for
this model of PC from the www.pc.ibm dot com support site.  I have also used
the IBMse versions 7.0.?, 7.0.2, 7.0.3, of SDD.

I did not see a change, with regards to the memory problem happening, when
testing the different versions of video drivers.

> Also try it only with the 4 x 32Mb SIMM's for a while, there can

I have run with just the 128M (4 x 32M) and the problem still happens.

> Power Supply, its amazing how many startup faults that can be
> traced to the power supply :-)

When I swapped the internals I did everything except the IDE hard drive, so
the power supply was swapped.

> Did you swap the SIMM's and DIMM ? OS/2 is more choosy and

A few months prior to the replacement of the internals I swapped the DIMM
and SIMMS with some spares from two other machines of the same model.

> less tolerant of RAM faults, also make sure that you are using the
> correctly matched physical RAM, ie, gold contact socket, make sure

The match is ok.  The DIMM is gold in a gold socket, and the SIMMs are tin
in tin sockets.  It is all EDO 60ns.  With this machine the notching is
pretty specific so that only the proper memory will fit, and these parts
match the specs for the machine.

I downloaded the IBM diagnostics and ran memory tests overnight which did
not detect any problems.  These run under PC-DOS off self booting floppies.

> The latest netscape with FP15 and with the NS46DRAG.DLL file

I have experienced the problem right after a bootup and before Netscape has
been started, so this seems to clear NS from my particular problem.  For
the more normal Netscape problems I have yet to rename the NS46DRAG.DLL on
this machine, but have done it on my others last week.

> Other tricks to try, boot from some OS/2 disks, and delete your
> swap file, swapper.dat, if you have 144Mb RAM, also try
> Allow OS/2 to create a new swap file.

I had a FAT partition C: which has now twice been formatted to HPFS with /L
and OS/2 allowed to create a new 128M SWAPPER at bootup.

> Also, run a Disk utilitie to make sure you dont have a hidden
> bad sector that your swap file can/is using, as even though
> you have plenty of RAM, the swap file will still be used to
> store DLL's until needed.

I haven't done that yet.


> MAXWAIT=2                 (dont use  = 1)
> MEMMAN=NoSwap, protect       (Turns off the swap file)
> THREADS=512        (if you dont have this)

These are currently set at:

MAXWAIT=2
MEMMAN=SWAP,PROTECT
THREADS=1024

Sysbar/2 shows the PC usually using around 200-250 threads.

I could do some testing with NOSWAP, attempt to not use all available RAM,
and see if my problem still occurs.

> Could you send me your c:\config.sys and c:\startup.cmd files
> as well ? (privately)

Yep.

> include your c:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd, and the syslevel.txt file
> created by running this command.

Yep.

I have also run this PC, prior to the rebuild and OS/2 reinstall, without
DOS support installed and with PROTECTONLY=YES set.  Problem still occured.

I currently have:

BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD /W /A:0 /!BM /!DSG /A:1 /!BM /!DSG

in CONFIG.SYS to switch off Bus Mastering and in the BIOS the IDE high
performance option is turned off.  Setting this BIOS option on SEEMS to
cause my problem more frequently, but I need to play around some more to be
certain of that.  In any case, even with this option disabled the problem
still occurs enough to be annoying in the least.

I have also experimented with disabling other BIOS options like PCI
bursting, Video shadowing, etc, with no effect towards fixing the problem.

I will send those files soon.

Bye,
Craig

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:28:47 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Yet more on >64M

I'd Flash it - betting to fix things in hardware rather than software.

Ed Durrant.

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> 
> My mobo is a Gigabyte GA-6VXE7+. I have just noted that Gigabyte has
> released a BIOS update (dated 31/1/2001) to correct the problem of OS/2
> not seeing >64M. Now that I have applied Dani's patchldr, I guess there
> is no point in flashing the BIOS,

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:29:08 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Computer power consumption

For your (IBM) servers, the figures are in the data sheets.

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> Has anyone done quantitative analysis on how much energy various type of
> computers run as servers use?

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:44:00 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM

I think the better performance I saw from the "old" PC300's
rather than the new PC300GLs was better Design, better harddisk
and external cache. After all processor speed ISN'T everything !

Ed.

Craig Brookes wrote:
> 
> > Often the older 133/166 MHz machines out performed the newer
> > 300 MHz machines - explain that !
> 
> I am unsure... I will ask some of the people sitting next to me who
> 'needed' their P500Mhz, P600Mhz machines running windows NT.
>

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From: <djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:56:09 -1000

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:01:31 +1100 (EST), Michael Block wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:08:05 +1100, Craig Brookes wrote:
>
>whilst we are on a memory thing - theseus and sysinfo both
>report my TNT2 32MB RAM as 3MB. Does anyone else have this
>card and experience? (Warp4 FP15, NVidia drivers)

Try multiplying your screen resolution by your colour resolution
1024 * 960 * 3(24bit colour) = Close enough to 3Mb.
Wonder what I can do with the other 29Mb.

Regards 
Dennis.

>regards
>
>Michael Block
>---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus
>
>http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
>The www home of perinatal psychiatry
>
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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:19:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Computer power consumption

Hi Daryl,
When I was sizing a UPS I cut the mains lead and stuck an ampmeter in.
My lanserver pentium 233 box with 4 HD's only drew 153 watts. (no monitor).
I have a Dell poweredge 1400 and will check that too before it goes on the UPS.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:02:15 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>Has anyone done quantitative analysis on how much energy various type of
>computers run as servers use?

_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:00:54 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] National Australia Bank Internet Banking

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Has anyone got NAB Internet Banking working?
> What configuration issues are there?

I gave up on banks years ago -after I realized that I was paying them to hold petty
cash.

The credit union I use has banking pages that were said to work only with windows and
Mac. However they work fine under OS/2!!
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:32:31 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:56:09 -1000,
djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:01:31 +1100 (EST), Michael Block wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:08:05 +1100, Craig Brookes wrote:
>>
>>whilst we are on a memory thing - theseus and sysinfo both
>>report my TNT2 32MB RAM as 3MB. Does anyone else have this
>>card and experience? (Warp4 FP15, NVidia drivers)
>
>Try multiplying your screen resolution by your colour resolution
>1024 * 960 * 3(24bit colour) = Close enough to 3Mb.
>Wonder what I can do with the other 29Mb.
>
>Regards 
>Dennis.
so is this an OS/2 problem?
regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:06:45 +0930
From: Greg Hicks <ghicksatihug dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] More info on 64M RAM

well, the other 29MB is a place to hide the next frame whilst viewing the first...
since each would consist of blocks of 3MB, then about 10 frames could be held..

this 'buffer' technique is used in many games and video software for smoother on screen
action

djnatpeninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:01:31 +1100 (EST), Michael Block wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:08:05 +1100, Craig Brookes wrote:
> >
> >whilst we are on a memory thing - theseus and sysinfo both
> >report my TNT2 32MB RAM as 3MB. Does anyone else have this
> >card and experience? (Warp4 FP15, NVidia drivers)
>
> Try multiplying your screen resolution by your colour resolution
> 1024 * 960 * 3(24bit colour) = Close enough to 3Mb.
> Wonder what I can do with the other 29Mb.
>
> Regards
> Dennis.
>
> >regards
> >
> >Michael Block
> >---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus
> >
> >http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
> >The www home of perinatal psychiatry
> >
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From: "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Lotus Smartsuite Approach
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:57:53 +1000

Hi everyone,

Does anyone use Lotus Smartsuite Approach?
If so, is it possible to get it to work like Office Access when typing in
information? 
When typing in the same words, Access flashes up the entire word and you
can go to the next information field thus saving a lot of time.
Approach doesn't do that.
I have looked at macros but they don't seem helpful.

Regards,


Alan Duval    <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:47:47 +0930
From: Greg Hicks <ghicksatihug dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Lotus Smartsuite Approach

Perhaps you could look at a look up table connected to the field you are typing into..

you'll need to make it accept new values when you type new words, that should give the
behavior you seek

greg

Alan Duval wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone use Lotus Smartsuite Approach?
> If so, is it possible to get it to work like Office Access when typing in
> information?
> When typing in the same words, Access flashes up the entire word and you
> can go to the next information field thus saving a lot of time.
> Approach doesn't do that.
> I have looked at macros but they don't seem helpful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan Duval    <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:53:11 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] more real

another problem I have with Real Basic player v8 is that I
can't add new channels as I get an error message saying
that it can't contact the server. Is anyone else using Real
Player 8?
regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:57:54 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautatvillage.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Lotus Smartsuite Approach

Alan Duval schreef:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone use Lotus Smartsuite Approach?
> If so, is it possible to get it to work like Office Access when typing in
> information?

There is a Yahoo OS/2 Smartsuite mailing list, on which you are invited now to
subscribe. And subscribing really works! <G>


http://www.yahoogroups dot com/group/smartsuite-os2/


--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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