Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 41

Date:- 25 April 2001

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:50:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Server problems

Hi everyone.

I've had to do the server digests by hand tonight, after
realising that I didnt recieve yesterdays digest, or
tonights, I nipped down to the computer room, manually
ran the script, only to discover that the OS/2 EPM editor
cannot save files, so I did it manually using E, only to
find out that this editor cant save files either !!!
Copied Pillar's Enhanced editor onto this server, and
it works and saves files fine !!

Anyone come across this before ?

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:59:14 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] MS Curriculum at schools and TAFEs ...

G'day from the Coat-Hanger City,

I've got 3 <18 girls staying at my place at the moment & when they sat
down at my OS/2 boxes to check their email, they thought they were Macs.
(Perhaps they saw similarities with the superb, Object-Orientated GUI on
OS/2 with the Mac...)

One of one of PCs even had the IBM Logo clearly visible on the CPU case!

One of them said, "Oh, if its not Windows, it must be a Mac" (!)

With young people leaving school with this mentality, we should be
scared, very scared.

Interestingly enough, with <2 minutes instruction, the girls were
running ICQ on the OS/2 boxes & chatting to their friends, they didn't
really care it wasn't Windows.

People think they need Windows, but you push them, they'll concede that
they need functionality.

When I made my 1st Redhat Linux box it was easier than Win95:- all I did
was make sure the hardware I was using was supported on the install CD.

Demonstrating this & the excellent ListServ & Newsgroup support
available will make superior OSes much more attractive. Gee, it might
mean, young people might also unwittingly become literate!

 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Stephen Donaldson wrote:

> Ok, I'll make some suggestions and flames can catch from there ;-)
>
> We can establish a working-party to promote Linux where we see it has a role. (I
> would be happy to contrbute)
> We can provide a framework of activities that will expose Linux to those who
> would benefit from using it.
> eg free talks to schools, community groups, IT support staff & managers, and
> (flame jacket on)  we really really REALLY should use the LinuxSA web site in a
> more proactive manner (read-support-portal) :-)
> These types of activities may well be the best step in starting a LinuxSA support
> network, who knows all contibs welcome.
>
>
> Steve
>
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:22:01 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

YES!
(I'll have what she's having...)
Long time ago Ian, Its something with the WPS.
See if tedit works, (VIO app).

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I've had to do the server digests by hand tonight, after
> realising that I didnt recieve yesterdays digest, or
> tonights, I nipped down to the computer room, manually
> ran the script, only to discover that the OS/2 EPM editor
> cannot save files, so I did it manually using E, only to
> find out that this editor cant save files either !!!
> Copied Pillar's Enhanced editor onto this server, and
> it works and saves files fine !!
> 
> Anyone come across this before ?
> 
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300
          Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
      Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
               (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Dead SCSI?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:20:45 +1000

Thanks for your response, Ed.  I managed to correct this in the wee hours of
this morning.

The termination etc was all ok.  It was actually a bios issue.  By default,
the Bios allocated all the IRQ's normally utilised by peripherals as being
PCI/PNP only.  This is not something I've come accross before, but then
again I was still using a 486 2 years ago!  Once I re-allocated IRQ 10 and 5
to ISA, my SCSI card and devices and SB16 were back form the dead.

Hope this helps somebody else out there.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ed Durrant [SMTP:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> Sent:	Monday, 23 April 2001 19:33
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	Re: [os2genau] Dead SCSI?
> 
> Hi Trevor,
> 
> 9 times out of 10, SCSI bus problems are termination related.
> 
> Are you sure you only have the device at the end of the
> chain terminated (active or passive depending upon which 
> form od SCSI you are using) and that the intermediate 
> device has termination power enabled. Obviously both
> devices have to be set to different SCSI IDs and it's 
> easier (but not neccessarily essential) if both are the same
> "flavor" os SCSI. e.g. both SCSI-II Fast Wide.
> 
> If you could tell me which Adaptec card you are using
> (the very simple one supplied with some CD Burners is
> only fit for the rubbish bin). Generally most Adaptec
> SCSI cards work well with OS/2 once correctly
> configured.
> 
> Oh another point - how many interfaces are on the card
> and are the unused ones terminated on the card ?
> 
> Ed Durrant
> 
> Sydney, Australia.
> 
> 
> Trevor Clarke wrote:
> > 
> > Just wondering if anybody out there has a tip re my Adaptec SCSI card
> and
> > devices being unrecognised.
> > 
> > All was well until I changed to a Tyan (Intel chipset) dual processor
> MB.
> > When Ecs boots, it obvisously says "hello" to my CD burner and SCSI hard
> > drive as the lights flick on, but won't recognise them (SCSI HDD spins
> up
> > and scans during POST too).  The DOS util that came with the card says
> the
> > card and devices are all ok.
> > 
> > I haven't installed the SMP upgrade to the OS yet but I'm not sure that
> the
> > absence of that is  enough to throw my SCSI setup.  Any ideas?
> > Slater & Gordon Solicitors - http://www.slatergordon dot com dot au
> > 
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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:21:17 +0900 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems

I have a secondhand HP-LJ6 which has been functioning without fault for many months.

In the last few days however it has decided to print entirely black pages (consuming huge amounts of toner in the process). 

I would appreciate some help in identifying the cause, but I must point out that I have done a number of things all in the last few days :(
a) installed updated printer drivers Release 734 (now back-leveled to Release 730)
7`b) installed the Beta SDD video drivers (since removed)
c) installed a replacement toner cartridge (working fine - prints from another computer across the network OK)
d) installed third party Postscript printer driver from Peter Fitzsimmon of Canada for generating pdf files. This driver prints to file, not to the 
printer, but I have fiddled with the Postscript driver in the OS/2 PrintPak set as well, likewise backed off from 734 to 730, and now removed 
it in favour of Peter F's driver. For the most part, this works fine at producing pdf files. 

By printing successfully across our LAN, I believe I have eliminated the printer and the new cartridge as potential causes of the problem.

I am not sure about drivers, though. Can a networking type person tell me which printer driver is used when printing across the LAN: the one 
on  the machine sending the print job or on the machine receiving the job and operating the printer?

Depending on the answer to the above, I may have eliminated the printer driver as a source of the problem, too.

If I print to the HP and send the output to file (thus generating a pdf) I get a blank page in my GS Viewer. This "just happens" to be the 
reverse of the black page I get when printing. Coincidence... or same cause?

There seems to be NO difference between trying to print from the desktop using drag/n/drop, RMB popup etc and trying to print from an 
application (eg DeScribe, PMMail).

"Who shall rid me of this meddlesome problem?!" (with apologies to Willy Wobblestick aka Shakespeare).



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:34:16 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] MS Curriculum at schools and TAFEs ...

Hi.
Problem is when these people are managers and say you need 
Windows. A sort of paranoia about being caught incompetent. As you 
say all they need is functionality and comfort.
The macs are a piece of cake, very intuitive.

Our kids use mac, os/2 and win, L/H and R/H mouse. They don't care 
as long as you show them what to click on. They are all gui's that 
are not too hard to run applications from. The differences are in 
whats under the bonnet, productivity reliability and manageablity. 

Linux installs easiest of all. A full 1 GB inter/tra net server in 
15 mins. But still a chalenge as a guy here tried RH and biffed it 
for W98 as RH didn't quite configure for dialup DNS resolution.

steve

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:59:14 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>People think they need Windows, but you push them, they'll 
concede that
>they need functionality.
>
>When I made my 1st Redhat Linux box it was easier than Win95:- 
all I did
>was make sure the hardware I was using was supported on the 
install CD.
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:42:49 +1000

Hmm!

I know the spooler which is utilised on a peer setup is the spooler on the
machine which with the printer connected to it. I assume that this would
also mean it is the driver on that machine which is used.

I found I had unexpected results printing unless I UNSELECTED "Print while
Spooling" on the spooler, however this would not explain why your setup has
spontaneously cracked it.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Angelico [SMTP:talldadatkepl dot com dot au]
> Sent:	Tuesday, 24 April 2001 11:21
> To:	OS/2 SIG Mailing List
> Subject:	[os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems
> 
> I have a secondhand HP-LJ6 which has been functioning without fault for
> many months.
> 
> In the last few days however it has decided to print entirely black pages
> (consuming huge amounts of toner in the process). 
> 
> I would appreciate some help in identifying the cause, but I must point
> out that I have done a number of things all in the last few days :(
> a) installed updated printer drivers Release 734 (now back-leveled to
> Release 730)
> 7`b) installed the Beta SDD video drivers (since removed)
> c) installed a replacement toner cartridge (working fine - prints from
> another computer across the network OK)
> d) installed third party Postscript printer driver from Peter Fitzsimmon
> of Canada for generating pdf files. This driver prints to file, not to the
> 
> printer, but I have fiddled with the Postscript driver in the OS/2
> PrintPak set as well, likewise backed off from 734 to 730, and now removed
> 
> it in favour of Peter F's driver. For the most part, this works fine at
> producing pdf files. 
> 
> By printing successfully across our LAN, I believe I have eliminated the
> printer and the new cartridge as potential causes of the problem.
> 
> I am not sure about drivers, though. Can a networking type person tell me
> which printer driver is used when printing across the LAN: the one 
> on  the machine sending the print job or on the machine receiving the job
> and operating the printer?
> 
> Depending on the answer to the above, I may have eliminated the printer
> driver as a source of the problem, too.
> 
> If I print to the HP and send the output to file (thus generating a pdf) I
> get a blank page in my GS Viewer. This "just happens" to be the 
> reverse of the black page I get when printing. Coincidence... or same
> cause?
> 
> There seems to be NO difference between trying to print from the desktop
> using drag/n/drop, RMB popup etc and trying to print from an 
> application (eg DeScribe, PMMail).
> 
> "Who shall rid me of this meddlesome problem?!" (with apologies to Willy
> Wobblestick aka Shakespeare).
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
> --------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:15:00 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems

John Angelico schreef:

> a) installed updated printer drivers Release 734 (now back-leveled to Release 730)
> 7`b) installed the Beta SDD video drivers (since removed)
>

It's an IBM Grad problem. And deinstalling the grad drivers and installing propriatary ones the problem should be gone. Well, it did so here.
I haven't sorted out that matter really deeper, as the driver switch did the job here.

My advise is to put the problem onto the SDD mailing list.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:43:54 +1000
From: Michael Peters <mpetersatnetspace dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

Ian,
   The new EEE from pillarsoft is not that brilliant and
often leaves a stub behind which has to be killed in
WatchCat before another program launch can be
effected. As well, if you hit File/New the whole thing
disappears. I have used EEE for yonks for rexx stuff
without a problem; but this new flavour, mmm.......

   Mike

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> I've had to do the server digests by hand tonight, after
> realising that I didnt recieve yesterdays digest, or
> tonights, I nipped down to the computer room, manually
> ran the script, only to discover that the OS/2 EPM editor
> cannot save files, so I did it manually using E, only to
> find out that this editor cant save files either !!!
> Copied Pillar's Enhanced editor onto this server, and
> it works and saves files fine !!
>
> Anyone come across this before ?
>
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:26:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

Hi Daryl

>YES!
>(I'll have what she's having...)
>Long time ago Ian, Its something with the WPS.
>See if tedit works, (VIO app).

Gee, never thought of Tedit, I only think of it when I
boot off floppies, or to the prompt, and yes, tedit works,
I just cant use it like SED.

I've run Unimaint and Checkini, cleanedup redundent links
but otherwise no problems that they have detected.

So I'll zap the desktop directories, and ini files and replace them
with ones off os2site dot com, replace the Desktop ID so it works,
run checkini to remove non related files, and see what happens,
a lot faster that reinstalling :-)

No, no comments about you cant do that, you can ok !
The desktop and WPS are only objects, and a program,
you just need to get the ID's correct so they are treated
in the correct way.

I was hoping to make it to tonights Melbourne OS/2 usergroup
but alas, to much work to do, I'm very interested in Domino
and notes though, I have the server provided with WSeB,
and a few books I bought from Amazon about 12-16 months
ago, its in the "meaning to look at" basket.


Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:33:42 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

Hi Michael

>   The new EEE from pillarsoft is not that brilliant and
>often leaves a stub behind which has to be killed in
>WatchCat before another program launch can be
>effected. As well, if you hit File/New the whole thing
>disappears. I have used EEE for yonks for rexx stuff
>without a problem; but this new flavour, mmm.......

Yes, I used the latest one released a couple of days ago, not
the one released last week, I didnt have any problems
with it at all, I'll try the File/New later tonight though, as I
dont use it on this PC, I prefer EPM :-)

Thanks for the info

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:35:19 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

Silly question - the file you are editing isn't set to read-only is it ?

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.
 ....... only to discover that the OS/2 EPM editor
> cannot save files, so I did it manually using E, only to
> find out that this editor cant save files either !!!

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:37:35 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] MS Curriculum at schools and TAFEs ...

Aha, .... so that's why we haven't been hearing the usual 
amount from Daryl on the list recently .........

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> G'day from the Coat-Hanger City,
> 
> I've got 3 <18 girls staying at my place at the moment &

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:52:17 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] MS Curriculum at schools and TAFEs ...

I believe (pause for effect) ....  The time will come when  
(pause for effect again)  ......  There will be no more Windows
"Operating Systems".  (Gasps from rear of auditorium, subdued 
cheers from some people dressed like penguins at the front).

Actually I believe the time will come when there are NO PC 
operating systems ... (Stunned silence and slight derisery 
comments of disbelief) .......

"Come the Computer revolution comrades we wont need Windows,
we wont need MAC OSX or Linux and dare I say it we won't need 
OS/2 !!"

 Some of the older ones of you out there may remember an early
Toshiba laptop that had DOS in its boot rom. You simply turned it
on and it worked. Boy have we gone backward from there ! PCs
hundreds or almost thouands of times faster and more capable but
it now takes longer to be able to start using your computers
applications than ever before.

  The industry has long said that we should have a common 
environment to run applications in. By the wy the world has
gone, we have that environment now and it's the Web Browser.
At the rate of performance increase, next week I'll be able
to buy my 23 GHz Processor powered 5.6 Terrabyte harddisk
palmtop which projects on any wall for greater visibility and 
though its BIOS based web browser and it's integrated 20GB/s
satellite internet link, I'll not only be able to surf the web,
stepping into virtual reality to look around prospective house
purchases but also I'll be able to write my letter to Aunty Mo,
print it out an go down the street and pop it in the now 
antique considered post box.

But am I really any better off than the old Toshy laptop with DOS ??


Ed.
 
   

Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Problem is when these people are managers and say you need
> Windows. A sort of paranoia about being caught incompetent. As you
> say all they need is functionality and comfort.
> The macs are a piece of cake, very intuitive.

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:01:18 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems

John,
  Is the printer Physically connected to the server via
a parrallel cable or does the printer itself have a network
card in it and is attached to your hub or switch ?

  If the printer is a "Network printer" (ie attached via UTP),
the other PC that can print to it are probably printing
using their own drivers and hence you can suspect the
printer driver on the server.

  If the PCs are printing via a spool queue on the server,
the server can still be working in a pass through type of
mode and again, the driver on the PC creating the job on
the workstation controls print formatting.

Why not stop the spool queue on the server, send a print
to it from the server and look at the contents using the
built in OS/2 print queue viewer ? If this is all black - it's
either the application or the driver. Try sending a print
to the printer from a workstation via the server queue
and again look at the contents of the queue. If this is also
black, then you've got a strange problem on the server
and I would even consider a re-install of the server 
components.

Ed.
 

> > From: John Angelico [SMTP:talldadatkepl dot com dot au]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2001 11:21
> > To:   OS/2 SIG Mailing List
> > Subject:      [os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems
> >
> > I have a secondhand HP-LJ6 which has been functioning without fault for
> > many months.
> >
> > In the last few days however it has decided to print entirely black pages
> > (consuming huge amounts of toner in the process).

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From: "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:42:32 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] HP Laserjet 6L printing problems

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:21:17 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote:

>I have a secondhand HP-LJ6 which has been functioning without fault for many months.
>
>In the last few days however it has decided to print entirely black pages (consuming huge amounts of toner in the process). 
>
>I would appreciate some help in identifying the cause, but I must point out that I have done a number of things all in the last few days :(
>a) installed updated printer drivers Release 734 (now back-leveled to Release 730)
>7`b) installed the Beta SDD video drivers (since removed)
>c) installed a replacement toner cartridge (working fine - prints from another computer across the network OK)
>d) installed third party Postscript printer driver from Peter Fitzsimmon of Canada for generating pdf files. This driver prints to file, not to the 
>printer, but I have fiddled with the Postscript driver in the OS/2 PrintPak set as well, likewise backed off from 734 to 730, and now removed 
>it in favour of Peter F's driver. For the most part, this works fine at producing pdf files. 
>

What's the default folder background colour?  From memory there is a
problem with GRADD drivers (SDD is one) that this has an effect on the
background colour of the printout.  

--
David Forrester
davidforatterrigal dot net dot au
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:48:22 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

Hi Ed

>Silly question - the file you are editing isn't set to read-only is it ?

I wish ! , no, that was the first thing I checked, I know that some
previous fixpack versions have been the cause of some strange
WPS, and filesystem problems. Last night (this morning) I could
edit anyfile, save, exit, no error messages, look at it again, no
changes made had been saved. I think Daryl's on the right
track though, as Tedit works, its only E and EPM that nolonger
saves files. The first thoughts that went through my head were

1)Harddisk about to crash

2)Someones broken in as I moved the server outside the firewall

3)My wishes about a contract on my ex had come true, and she
   was now haunting me :-)

4) the edit DLL's are corrupt, I've also replaced these with no joy.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:49:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] MS Curriculum at schools and TAFEs ...

Hi Ed

>But am I really any better off than the old Toshy laptop with DOS ??

Considering what I still use my old DEC Rainbow 100 for, no :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: "Gavin Miller" <paxtonatiaa dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:36:34 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] MS Curriculum at schools and TAFEs ...

G'day all,

This little topic is quite close to home.  I work in the education field and even though I'm not the IT 
coordinator or technician, I am frequently asked to fix problems (often by the IT coordinator herself).  The 
latest fix was for a PS/2 mouse port/touch pad WIN98 driver on an Acer laptop that was acting sporadically.  I 
thought "Bugger this, I'll install Warp and stop this from happening again," with success, only to be told by one 
of the teaching staff to remove it and put WIN98 back on as Warp, and I quote, "Did not look the same as 
the other laptops."  I did try to explain that all I have to do it tie it into the NT network and it will do all the 
internet stuff and word processing that they were used to, (only without 32bit Win apps) and with greater 
reliability, less fear of virus intrusion, and outside games the kids might smuggle in.  My father used to say that 
you can't tell a teacher anything..... and he was right.

Here's the thing folks.  The Victorian Government a few years back signed a contract with Microsoft.  
Educational departments can now get Microsoft products for $10.  Any systems from the DOE must have 
Windows.  Networks must be NT Server.  At my school the Macs are being replaced by Win boxes.  It seems 
the Macs would hang when using any network resources such as the internet.

All this is to point out that even though it is a great idea to show case other operating systems in schools, it will 
probably never happen out in the open.  I've had better success infiltrating stand alone machines where the 
kids could experience a non-windows machine (I've had Warp 4 on an old Texas Instruments laptop for 
years.  No NIC though).

Incidentally, I have not removed Warp from the Acer laptop I serviced, and I WILL be tying it into the 
network.  And the kids????  They will not know the difference (except that it looks a little different).

Cheers folks,
Gavin

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:54:36 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

Ian Manners schreef:

>
> 4) the edit DLL's are corrupt, I've also replaced these with no joy.
>

Just a replace isn't good enough. In order to have  epm.exe reinstalled, you have to run
the selective install.  EPM is on the page options --> games and helpprograms.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:29:51 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Server problems

>> 4) the edit DLL's are corrupt, I've also replaced these with no joy.

>Just a replace isn't good enough. In order to have  epm.exe reinstalled, you have to run
>the selective install.  EPM is on the page options --> games and helpprograms.

The above was just incase the dll's were corrupted, I've installed SED
on the server, and I've tested everything else, so as everythings working
the way it should, I'm just using SED instead of EPM. I'll leave it until I get
the GA eCS to install. If I run into more problems, I'll just do a clean install.
The editor problem is niggling at the back of my mind though.

Thanks for the advice, always appreciated.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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