Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1949
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Monday 10 May 2010
 Number  1949
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Lucide : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
2  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
3  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
4  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
5  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Mark Dodel<madodel at ptd dot net>
6   WPS BACKUP : Nicholas Lysaght <nicholasrf at gmail dot com>
7  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
8  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
9  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
10  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
11  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
12  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
13  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
14   Laser printer (was Re:  How to find a NAS address) : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
15  Re:  How to find a NAS address : madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
16  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
17  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
18  Re:  How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 00:19:29 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Lucide

On 2010-05-09 23:47 (AEST), Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> There never has been an Abiword OS/2 version, never.  Or you are 
> speaking about another program, or you are referring to the very first 
> Abiword versions which could be launched by means of Odin (alas not 
> possible any more).
> But there was never a native Abiword for OS/2, never.
>
> OTOH, you might be speaking about Describe, that is as far as I can 
> think. Or maybe Papyrus.
>
Hi Kris,

My mistake - I was confusing it with Papyrus - that too is a nice 
application, low memory foorprint.

I am familiar with Describe (used it back in 1992) - you're not 
suggesting that Abiword is in _that class_ are you?!

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 06:30:33 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

John Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, 09 May 2010 19:00:31 +1000 (EST) Ian Manners wrote:
>   
>> Hi Voytek,
>>
>>     
>>> Ian, how do you do that ?
>>>       
>> Using this ping
>>
>> 18/09/01  17:48      51304           0  ping.exe
>>
>> ping has also been updated since then but I dont think anyone
>> could be bothered porting it, this one works as is :-)
>>
>>     
>
> Voytek, if you are asking how come WindowsPing is not the same as OS2Ping,
> then you are right - they are not the same. WindowsPing simply does not do
> broadcast pings (x.x.x.255).
>
>
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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>   
Hi John,

 Something strange here.

  I know I have networked printers on the same subnet at 192.168.100.8 
and 9. I can ping them individually and after pinging them they appear 
in the arp table. But when I do a broadcast ping, ping does not see them 
- see below:

64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=5. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.2: icmp_seq=6. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.255: icmp_seq=6. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=6. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.2: icmp_seq=7. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.255: icmp_seq=7. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=7. time=0. ms

----192.168.100.255 PING Statistics----
8 packets transmitted, 24 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[J:\]ping 192.168.100.8
PING 192.168.100.8: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.100.8: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.8: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.8: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms

----192.168.100.8 PING Statistics----
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[J:\]ping 192.168.100.9
PING 192.168.100.9: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.100.9: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.9: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.9: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms

----192.168.100.9 PING Statistics----
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[J:\]

[J:\]arp -a
          ARP table contents:

interface     hardware address         IP address   minutes since
                                                      last use
  lan0       0 :f :66:aa:1f:9a        192.168.100.1            1
  lan0       0 :1a:70:9d:da:b1        192.168.100.8            8
  lan0       0 :22:64:44:a4:83        192.168.100.9            8

[J:\]

 

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 06:41:03 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> On 2010-05-09 22:14 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:
>> Voytek, if you are asking how come WindowsPing is not the same as 
>> OS2Ping,
>> then you are right - they are not the same. WindowsPing simply does 
>> not do
>> broadcast pings (x.x.x.255).
>>    
> Hi John,
>
> Does Windows do so when using an alternate I.P? Here for example with 
> eComStation, in addition to 192.168.1.255, I get the same result with 
> 192.168.1.0!
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
x.x.x.0 is the subnet address
x.x.x.255 is the subnet broadcast address

I get different results when pinging:

[J:\]ping 192.168.100.0
PING 192.168.100.0: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.0: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.0: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.0: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms

----192.168.100.0 PING Statistics----
3 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[J:\]

[J:\]ping 192.168.100.255
PING 192.168.100.255: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.100.2: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.255: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.2: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.255: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.2: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.255: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_seq=2. time=10. ms

----192.168.100.255 PING Statistics----
3 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/1/10

[J:\]

It's interesting that the .0 ping reports the loopback address even 
though its not on that subnet while the .255 broadcast ping reports 
itself. Neither appear to report all devices on the LAN - for example my 
networked printers:

[J:\]ping 192.168.100.8
PING 192.168.100.8: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.100.8: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.8: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.8: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms

----192.168.100.8 PING Statistics----
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[J:\]

[J:\]ping 192.168.100.9
PING 192.168.100.9: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.100.9: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.9: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms
64 bytes from 192.168.100.9: icmp_seq=2. time=0. ms

----192.168.100.9 PING Statistics----
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0

[J:\]

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 09:28:50 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>  I know I have networked printers on the same subnet at 192.168.100.8
> and 9. I can ping them individually and after pinging them they appear
> in the arp table. But when I do a broadcast ping, ping does not see
> them - see below:

One possibility: perhaps your printers simply don't understand the
concept of a broadcast ping. I would imagine that network printers use
some sort of stripped-down network code.

Related question: I'm on the lookout for a laser printer (colour not
essential) and I'm attracted to the idea of a wireless printer. Does
anyone have recommendations for a wireless laser printer that is OS/2
compatible?

(I originally thought that all laser printers used Postscript, and would
therefore automatically be OS/2 compatible, but someone on this list
once said that that's not necessarily true.)

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Date:  Sun, 09 May 2010 19:44:28 -0400
From:  Mark Dodel<madodel at ptd dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

> Related question: I'm on the lookout for a laser printer (colour not
> essential) and I'm attracted to the idea of a wireless printer. Does
> anyone have recommendations for a wireless laser printer that is OS/2
> compatible?
> 
> (I originally thought that all laser printers used Postscript, and would
> therefore automatically be OS/2 compatible, but someone on this list
> once said that that's not necessarily true.)

I am using a Brother MFC-9840CDW which is a multiple-function wireless color laser printer/fax/copier that works great with the postscript driver.  Brotherscript is just their own version of postscript.  

Mark
 
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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 10:54:13 +0800
From:  Nicholas Lysaght <nicholasrf at gmail dot com>
Subject:   WPS BACKUP

Hi All.

With eCs2.0 GA turning up soon, I am getting myself ready for it.

I have created a few programme objects that point from DBExpert,
Mesa2, Clearlook and Describe to various files that I use, complete
with the icons to help as a memory aid (something I really need!
<LOL>), all inside a WPS Folder called "DATA". In fact, I have the WPS
 setup the way I want it.

What I would like to do is to backup what I have done. I have
WPSBACKUP, but am a bit worried of the file DANGER.TXT that comes with
it, that states:

 "Two program's in this package (CHECKINI.EXE and WPSBKP.EXE) extract
information from the workplace shell. Since there is no known method of
doing this on a documented way, they interpret the ini-files themselves."

Reading on, it says to run CHECKINI without the /C. That looks like a
test to determine if it is still suitable to use CHECKINI and
BACKUPWPS these days.  About every month I run CHECKINI *with* the /C,
and I have no problems (so far), so it would appear to me  that
BACKUPWPS should also work for me, as well.

Before I push the button with BACKUPWPS, has anyone used this of late?
If so, I plan to copy the resultant archive across to the new eCs 2.0
install, run it, and then, as applicable, fine tune any changed path
listings. How does this sound? If there is a known problem with
BACKUPWPS, is there something better that may be used?

TIA

Regards

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 15:17:40 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

On 2010-05-10 09:28 (AEST), Peter Moylan wrote:
> (I originally thought that all laser printers used Postscript, and would
> therefore automatically be OS/2 compatible, but someone on this list
> once said that that's not necessarily true.)
>    
hi Peter,

Very much not true! HP have a plethora of USB-connected Laserjets that 
are not Postscript, and every darn one of them seems to have a different 
Win-Printer engine - why can't they just develop one that "just works" - 
considering the price of memory! Heck one used to be able to get a real 
PS Cartridge to use on LJ4s etc, back in the early/mid 1990s, as an 
upgrade to the PCL engine!

Regards,
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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 15:23:25 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

On 2010-05-10 09:44 (AEST), Mark Dodel wrote:
> I am using a Brother MFC-9840CDW which is a multiple-function wireless 
> color laser printer/fax/copier that works great with the postscript 
> driver. Brotherscript is just their own version of postscript.
> Mark
>    
Hi Mark,

That's a nice looking MFP - here they range currently from AU$975 to 
almost AU$1300! [US$880-1160 currently]

What did yours cost in the US?

Regards,
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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 19:53:32 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> On the assumption the server part of your NAS is turned on :-)
>   

or is not broken, which I am starting to think.

> You could try pinging broadcast as the NAS 'should' be using internal
> IP address space as per rfc1918.txt.
>
> ie
>
> ping 192.168.0.255
> ping 192.168.1.255
> ping 10.0.0.255
> ping 172.16.0.255
>
> The range 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.1.1 are the most popular
> but you should know what class of internal IP space you are
> using, and the NAS device will by default normally grab something
> from your DHCP server, likely to be in the x.x.x.100 range.
>
>   
  Of course you can only ping to a subnet that you are on or have a 
route to - so to ping 10.0.0.255 I'd need to have an IP address of 
10.x.x.x (assuming Class A - 255.0.0.0 subnet mask).
> Currently on my internal network I only have the server and this computer
> on I get :-
>
> [C:\]ping 192.168.1.255
> PING 192.168.1.255: 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.41: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.26: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.9: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms
>
> ok, the cars plugged in for backup purposes, I forgot about that :-)
>
>   
And on my system, even devices I KNOW are there (network printers) do 
NOT show up to a broadcast Ping but DO respond to a direct ping to their 
addresses!

> The VoIP is a different subnet for security through obscurity.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 19:54:38 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> <quote who="Mike O'Connor">
>
>   
>>> This unit used to work (a couple of years back)  - I even documented
>>> this in ecomstation.ru's database!
>>>
>>> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC
>>> address if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now?
>>>
>>> Any Ideas ??
>>>       
>
> arp it ?
>
>
>   
arp -a   only displays the systems that have been "talked to" by this 
system - or do you mean I should use arp in some other way?

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 19:55:40 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Voytek,
>
>   
>> Ian, how do you do that ?
>>     
>
> Using this ping
>
> 18/09/01  17:48      51304           0  ping.exe
>
> ping has also been updated since then but I dont think anyone
> could be bothered porting it, this one works as is :-)
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>
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>   
using the same one here.

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 20:04:30 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>   
>>  I know I have networked printers on the same subnet at 192.168.100.8
>> and 9. I can ping them individually and after pinging them they appear
>> in the arp table. But when I do a broadcast ping, ping does not see
>> them - see below:
>>     
>
> One possibility: perhaps your printers simply don't understand the
> concept of a broadcast ping. I would imagine that network printers use
> some sort of stripped-down network code.
>   
Could be the case, one is the print server built into a HP all-in-one, 
the other is a Canon printer attached to a Linksys print server WPS54G 
(wireless and wired)- I would have thought the Linksys would react 
correctly - but it is a possibility that it ignores broadcast pings I 
suppose.

> Related question: I'm on the lookout for a laser printer (colour not
> essential) and I'm attracted to the idea of a wireless printer. Does
> anyone have recommendations for a wireless laser printer that is OS/2
> compatible?
>   
Well you could take an OS/2 supported Laser printer and plug it into a 
WPS54G (or other similar unit).

> (I originally thought that all laser printers used Postscript, and would
> therefore automatically be OS/2 compatible, but someone on this list
> once said that that's not necessarily true.)
>
>   
Beware, there are Laser "winprinters", just the same as there are 
WinPrinter inkjets. For example the Brother HL-2040  is a "normal" 
parallel and USB port printer that talks PCL protocol (and PS I think, 
but I use PCL with it), but the very same hardware engine in an 
identical looking fujitsu printer has no processor in the printer, you 
have to create the raw data for the printer in the PC - using windows 
drivers of course.

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 21:03:47 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

<quote who="Ed Durrant">

>>>> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC
>>>> address if that helps)
>> arp it ?

> arp -a   only displays the systems that have been "talked to" by this
> system - or do you mean I should use arp in some other way?

give ip address to the mac address ?

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 22:28:42 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:   Laser printer (was Re:  How to find a NAS address)

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> Related question: I'm on the lookout for a laser printer (colour
>> not essential) and I'm attracted to the idea of a wireless printer.
>> Does anyone have recommendations for a wireless laser printer that
>> is OS/2 compatible?
>>
> Well you could take an OS/2 supported Laser printer and plug it into
> a WPS54G (or other similar unit).

Thanks for that suggestion; it's a possibility that had not occurred to
me, and the price of a WPS54G appears to be less than the price
difference between an ordinary laser printer and a wireless laser
printer. Googling on WPS54G does bring up some "it doesn't work for me"
pages, but I guess that I can sort that out with further research.
Perhaps all of the ones that don't work will turn out to be WinPrinters.

>> (I originally thought that all laser printers used Postscript, and
>> would therefore automatically be OS/2 compatible, but someone on
>> this list once said that that's not necessarily true.)
>>
> Beware, there are Laser "winprinters", just the same as there are
> WinPrinter inkjets. For example the Brother HL-2040  is a "normal"
> parallel and USB port printer that talks PCL protocol (and PS I
> think, but I use PCL with it), but the very same hardware engine in
> an identical looking fujitsu printer has no processor in the printer,
> you have to create the raw data for the printer in the PC - using
> windows drivers of course.
>
OK, warning taken. It would be nice to have a list somewhere of which
printers were WinPrinters, but I imagine that there will be some sort of
compatibility list on the Russian OS/2 site that keeps a lot of
compatibility information.

By Murphy's Law, the WinPrinters  will probably turn out to be those
that fall within my budget.

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 08:57:06 -0400
From:  madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> On 2010-05-10 09:44 (AEST), Mark Dodel wrote:
>> I am using a Brother MFC-9840CDW which is a multiple-function wireless 
>> color laser printer/fax/copier that works great with the postscript 
>> driver. Brotherscript is just their own version of postscript.
>> Mark
>>    
> Hi Mark,
> 
> That's a nice looking MFP - here they range currently from AU$975 to 
> almost AU$1300! [US$880-1160 currently]

It is a really nice unit.  I bought it about 2 years ago online for about 
$550US.  Looking at prices here in the U.S. it appears the price has 
increased by about $100US which is counter to the way prices usually go, 
but still no where near what you see in Australia. Actually I'm kind of 
amazed that that model is still being sold new with the way printer models 
keep changing.  But there are less expensive Brother Laser printers around 
that should work just as well as long as they have Brother Script 
(BR-Script 3) support.  It also does PCL-6 emulation so it works with the 
HP Laserjet driver as well.

One of the nice features with this printer is that even though the scanner 
isn't supported under OS/2, the MFC-9840CDW has the ability to email or FTP 
a scanned image without any computer attached.  It also has duplex printing 
which works well with the IBM Postscript driver.  But mostly I bought it so 
my family could use it as a stand-alone copier.  I got tired of them asking 
me to make copies of things.  Even on the Mac it is not an intuitive thing 
to use the software to just say scan and print.  I wish someone would 
recreate the ease of CopyShop/2, which only worked with the original SCSI 
HP Scanjet scanners.  Tame/2 is good, but there is nothing as easy as 
pressing that big green button and getting a printed copy, if that is all 
you want.

Mark

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 22:59:14 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

Mark Dodel wrote:
>
>> Related question: I'm on the lookout for a laser printer (colour
>> not essential) and I'm attracted to the idea of a wireless printer.
>> Does anyone have recommendations for a wireless laser printer that
>> is OS/2 compatible?
>>
>> (I originally thought that all laser printers used Postscript, and
>> would therefore automatically be OS/2 compatible, but someone on
>> this list once said that that's not necessarily true.)
>
> I am using a Brother MFC-9840CDW which is a multiple-function
> wireless color laser printer/fax/copier that works great with the
> postscript driver.  Brotherscript is just their own version of
> postscript.
>
Thanks for the recommendation. This looks to be a nice device. I'm
surprised to see that Brother has produced a MFC that can be used with
OS/2. I have a much cheaper Brother MFC printer, which works well with
Windows but which will probably never have OS/2 drivers; I think it was
Paul Ratcliffe who told me that CUPS will never support Brother printers
because Brother won't release information about its proprietary
protocols to the open-source developers.

It's a bit expensive in Australia. I could live with that, but my
impression from the on-line information is that it takes a fair bit of
floor space. At present I have a non-working HP DeskJet on the desk next
to me, and a working (but not OS/2 compatible) Brother multifunction
device - without fax capability, because that was destroyed by lightning
- on the sort of living room furniture that usually supports a TV set.
In the near future I'm likely to be moving to a smaller house, so I need
to continue to look at "on the desk" devices. A friend of mine bought a
very cheap laser printer from Dick Smith and it works very well and sits
on top of her filing cabinet. (A Canon, I think. In the light of
comments from other people, though, it's likely that it works only with
Windows drivers.) That's the sort of thing I'm looking for. Scanner and
photocopying not essential, because I already have a cheap MFC device to
do that, even if it works only with Windows. Colour not essential. But
compactness is essential, and of course OS/2 compatibility is also
essential.

I'd also like it to be accessible from more than one computer, but Ed
has pointed out that this can be done with a separate "print server" device.

At present I'm heavily using FTP, with the occasional use of VNC, to
move documents among my three computers. I suppose I should install
Samba, but my server machine is difficult to update because it doesn't
have a monitor or keyboard - they can be temporarily added, but in a
physically awkward way that would force me to lie on the floor while
doing software updates. Another one of those projects that will be done
when I get a round tuit.

I've heard of people setting up "print server" daemons in Windows, to
give a result that's similar to a network printer. In my case, though,
my only Windows machine is a laptop that has to be moved to another room
when printing is desired. In fact that's another reason why I'd like a
network printer: not only is printing directly from OS/2 impossible with
my present setup; printing from Windows is also awkward due to the lack
of a direct connection. I suppose that I could fix that by cleaning up
my dining room table, now that the Brother MFC has lost its fax
capability and therefore no longer needs to be near a telephone socket.

The good news: OpenOffice works very well in Windows 7. In both OS/2 and
Windows Vista it was unpleasantly slow. I have now reached the point
where if I want to create a .odf document I will fire up the laptop
rather than create it in OS/2 and then FTP it across for printing. Of
course I still use OS/2 to download Windows software, and then use the
home LAN to get it to the laptop. Windows 7 is substantially better than
Vista, and is even almost as good as XP, but its tcp/ip implementation
is still a steaming pile of horseshit.

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 23:09:53 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

<quote who="madodel">
> I wish someone would
> recreate the ease of CopyShop/2, which only worked with the original SCSI
> HP Scanjet scanners.  Tame/2 is good, but there is nothing as easy as
> pressing that big green button and getting a printed copy, if that is all
> you want.

Mark,

I have HP2p with ADF that I use fairly regularly.
I saw another one in a second hand computer shop, also with ADF, it was
about...$50?, have it for a spare.

:>)

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Date:  Mon, 10 May 2010 23:12:54 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to find a NAS address

On 2010-05-10 22:57 (AEST), madodel wrote:
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>> On 2010-05-10 09:44 (AEST), Mark Dodel wrote:
>>> I am using a Brother MFC-9840CDW which is a multiple-function 
>>> wireless color laser printer/fax/copier that works great with the 
>>> postscript driver. Brotherscript is just their own version of 
>>> postscript.
>>> Mark
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> That's a nice looking MFP - here they range currently from AU$975 to 
>> almost AU$1300! [US$880-1160 currently]
>
> It is a really nice unit.  I bought it about 2 years ago online for 
> about $550US.  Looking at prices here in the U.S. it appears the price 
> has increased by about $100US which is counter to the way prices 
> usually go, but still no where near what you see in Australia. 
> Actually I'm kind of amazed that that model is still being sold new 
> with the way printer models keep changing.  But there are less 
> expensive Brother Laser printers around that should work just as well 
> as long as they have Brother Script (BR-Script 3) support.  It also 
> does PCL-6 emulation so it works with the HP Laserjet driver as well.
>
> One of the nice features with this printer is that even though the 
> scanner isn't supported under OS/2, the MFC-9840CDW has the ability to 
> email or FTP a scanned image without any computer attached.  It also 
> has duplex printing which works well with the IBM Postscript driver.  
> But mostly I bought it so my family could use it as a stand-alone 
> copier.  I got tired of them asking me to make copies of things.  Even 
> on the Mac it is not an intuitive thing to use the software to just 
> say scan and print.  I wish someone would recreate the ease of 
> CopyShop/2, which only worked with the original SCSI HP Scanjet 
> scanners.  Tame/2 is good, but there is nothing as easy as pressing 
> that big green button and getting a printed copy, if that is all you 
> want.
>
> Mark

Hi Mark,

That was a great price you got then! Even though they are much more 
expensive than the crap USB Win-printers,  you come out well ahead 
amortizing it.

Have a good day.

Regards,
Mike

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