Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1979
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:02:17 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 29 June 2010
 Number  1979
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
2  Re:  3rd option : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
3  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
4  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
5  Re:  3rd option : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
6  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
7  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  3rd option : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
9  Re:  3rd option : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
10  Re:  3rd option : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
11  Re:  3rd option : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
12  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
13  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
14  Re:  3rd option : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
15  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
16  Re:  3rd option : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
17  Re:  3rd option : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
18  Re:  3rd option : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
19  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
20  Re:  3rd option : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
21  Re:  3rd option : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
22  Re:  3rd option : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
23  Re:  3rd option : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
24  Re:  3rd option : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
25  Re:  3rd option : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:56:45 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Hi Alan,

------- Original message -------
> From: Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
> Thanks Ed, I'll have to print that info out in Ubuntu as I can't get CUPS 
> working in eCS 2.0 silver and now I can no longer copy to a USB stick but 
> can still read from one of them. I thought by installing eCS 2.0 GA on 
> another drive that I would be able to get CUPS working but it doesn't 
> recognise any USB device. I just wonder whether this motherboard is a 
> problem but Ubuntu has no problem with it. I'm finding eCS to be more and 
> more unusuable and I can't keep spending hours trying to get it working 
> satisfactorily.
> I've contacted eComStation about the problem so I hope they can help.

Very strange :( did you install acpi on your GA install? With silver it 
installed by default, with GA you need to enable it.  What motherboard are 
you using?

Yours cups problems definite relate to usb as the job can't be written to 
the printer for some reason.

my new printer should arrive today or tomorrow - Epson TX810FW - should 
work nicely with cups for printing and sane for scanning.  If ther are any 
issues i'll bug the guy that ports  them to OS/2 :)rinter has usb, wifi and 
ethernet connections.  I.ll also be installing an Everest CIS into this 
printer.

if anyone in Adelaide is interested in a CUPS tested inkjet multifunction 
printer, my Epson RX650 will soon  be available - it also has an Everest 
continuous ink system installed in it for very heap printing and does great 
photo prints via the memory card slots.

Cheers,

Paul. 
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 http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:53:41 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Alan Duval wrote:
> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
> compatible.
> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>
> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the specs
> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan Duval
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>  
>  http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
>
>   
Beware the Fuji!  Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only 
through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better looking at 
Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji Xerox but 
put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer beware, they 
don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often winprinters.

-- 
Cheers/eCS2.0

Ed

Please checkout my podcasts at:
http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:22:29 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Alan,

------- Original message -------
> From: Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
 
> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
> compatible.
> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
It should work with either the HP laserjet driver or the IBM Postscript 
driver.  with the postscript driver, you'll need to locate the ppd file for 
the printer either on the driver cd or on the web.

I'd suggest a network printer rather than parallel - assuming you have a 
free network port on your router.

cheers,

Paul. 
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 http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:34:00 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Ed,

On 29/06/10 6:23 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
> Alan Duval wrote:
>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>> compatible.
>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>
>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the specs
>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>
> Beware the Fuji! Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only
> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better looking at
> Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji Xerox but
> put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer beware, they
> don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often winprinters.

Where do you get the information that makes you think the 3125N uses a 
WinPrinter driver to achieve the PCL compatability?

The page for the 3125N at 
http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/blackwhiteprinters/phaser3125n.aspx 
states:
Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language)  	PCL6, PostScript 3 
compatible

The page for the 3124 at 
http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/BlackWhitePrinters/Phaser3124.aspx
Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language)  	Host Based

So Fuji Xerox are upfront when it comes to Host Based printers...

Cheers,

Paul.
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 http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:14:56 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> On 29/06/10 6:23 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>>> compatible.
>>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>>
>>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the specs
>>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>>
>> Beware the Fuji! Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only
>> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better looking at
>> Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji Xerox but
>> put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer beware, they
>> don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often winprinters.
>
> Where do you get the information that makes you think the 3125N uses a 
> WinPrinter driver to achieve the PCL compatability?
>
> The page for the 3125N at 
> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/blackwhiteprinters/phaser3125n.aspx 
> states:
> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language)      PCL6, 
> PostScript 3 compatible
>
> The page for the 3124 at 
> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/BlackWhitePrinters/Phaser3124.aspx 
>
> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language)      Host Based
>
> So Fuji Xerox are upfront when it comes to Host Based printers...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>
My comments were general, I have almost bought Fuji printers in the past 
only to find that after digging, they are host printers. This is 
probably not true of all models and I haven't specifically checked this 
model. I would expect the high end commercial products to be "complete" 
but the low-end (sub A$150) retail products often are. The point is that 
the retailer does not supply this information you have to dig to find 
out if the printer is a "host based" i.e. Win Printer.

-- 
Cheers/eCS2.0

Ed

Please checkout my podcasts at:
http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes
To subscribe - click this: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com/feed

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===
**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:49:37 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Ed,

On 29/06/10 6:44 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> On 29/06/10 6:23 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>>>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>>>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>>>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>>>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>>>> compatible.
>>>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>>>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>>>
>>>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the specs
>>>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>>>
>>> Beware the Fuji! Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only
>>> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better looking at
>>> Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji Xerox but
>>> put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer beware, they
>>> don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often winprinters.
>>
>> Where do you get the information that makes you think the 3125N uses a
>> WinPrinter driver to achieve the PCL compatability?
>>
>> The page for the 3125N at
>> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/blackwhiteprinters/phaser3125n.aspx
>> states:
>> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language) PCL6, PostScript 3
>> compatible
>>
>> The page for the 3124 at
>> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/BlackWhitePrinters/Phaser3124.aspx
>>
>> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language) Host Based
>>
>> So Fuji Xerox are upfront when it comes to Host Based printers...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Paul.
>>
> My comments were general, I have almost bought Fuji printers in the past
> only to find that after digging, they are host printers. This is
> probably not true of all models and I haven't specifically checked this
> model. I would expect the high end commercial products to be "complete"
> but the low-end (sub A$150) retail products often are. The point is that
> the retailer does not supply this information you have to dig to find
> out if the printer is a "host based" i.e. Win Printer.

Good thing the 3125N is $159 then - it should be OK :)
Cheers,

Paul.
--------------------------------------------------
 
 http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:48:32 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> ------- Original message -------
>> From: Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
>> Thanks Ed, I'll have to print that info out in Ubuntu as I can't get 
>> CUPS working in eCS 2.0 silver and now I can no longer copy to a USB 
>> stick but can still read from one of them. I thought by installing 
>> eCS 2.0 GA on another drive that I would be able to get CUPS working 
>> but it doesn't recognise any USB device. I just wonder whether this 
>> motherboard is a problem but Ubuntu has no problem with it. I'm 
>> finding eCS to be more and more unusuable and I can't keep spending 
>> hours trying to get it working satisfactorily.
>> I've contacted eComStation about the problem so I hope they can help.
>
> Very strange :( did you install acpi on your GA install? With silver 
> it installed by default, with GA you need to enable it.  What 
> motherboard are you using?

Yes! I installed acpi. Used  psd=acpi.psd /smp /cd  as I found that this 
was the only combination that worked in eCS 2.0 silver that allowed me 
to use my scanner.
I have tried psd=acpi.psd /smp /apic in the GA version but booting stops 
with an error message.
psd=acpi.psd /smp /pic  works with the GA version also but still no USB 
recognition.

I have a Gigabyte  GA-EP45-UD3R motherboard  and dualcore Intel processor.

>
> Yours cups problems definite relate to usb as the job can't be written 
> to the printer for some reason.
>
> my new printer should arrive today or tomorrow - Epson TX810FW - 
> should work nicely with cups for printing and sane for scanning.  If 
> ther are any issues i'll bug the guy that ports  them to OS/2 :) 
> printer has usb, wifi and ethernet connections.  I.ll also be 
> installing an Everest CIS into this printer.
>
> if anyone in Adelaide is interested in a CUPS tested inkjet 
> multifunction printer, my Epson RX650 will soon  be available - it 
> also has an Everest continuous ink system installed in it for very 
> cheap printing and does great photo prints via the memory card slots.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul. --------------------------------------------------
> 
> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
>

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:52:34 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> ------- Original message -------
>> From: Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
>
>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>> compatible.
>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
> It should work with either the HP laserjet driver or the IBM 
> Postscript driver.  with the postscript driver, you'll need to locate 
> the ppd file for the printer either on the driver cd or on the web.
>
> I'd suggest a network printer rather than parallel - assuming you have 
> a free network port on your router.
I have had no experience with network printers and don't want to have 
another problem in setting up a network.

Regards,

Alan

--------------------------------------------------
 
 http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:02:43 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Alan Duval wrote:
>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>> compatible.
>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>
>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the specs
>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan Duval
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>  
>>  http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
>===
>>
>>   
> Beware the Fuji!  Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only 
> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better looking 
> at Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji 
> Xerox but put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer 
> beware, they don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often 
> winprinters.

I don't want to buy another printer and find it doesn't work with eCS. I 
had a look at the Brother printers but can't find any that say they are 
postscript compatible - at least ones that are in my price range.  It is 
hard to find reliable info even in the manufacturers brochures. Your 
warning about Fuji is welcomed but how do I find out more about the 
model I mentioned. Can't even find a way to ask the manufacturers of 
Fuji and Brother laser printers.

Regards,

Alan
--------------------------------------------------
 
 http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:53:53 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Alan Duval wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>>> compatible.
>>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>>
>>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the specs
>>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan Duval
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>  
>>>  http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
>>>
>>>   
>> Beware the Fuji!  Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only 
>> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better looking 
>> at Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji 
>> Xerox but put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer 
>> beware, they don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often 
>> winprinters.
>
> I don't want to buy another printer and find it doesn't work with eCS. 
> I had a look at the Brother printers but can't find any that say they 
> are postscript compatible - at least ones that are in my price range.  
> It is hard to find reliable info even in the manufacturers brochures. 
> Your warning about Fuji is welcomed but how do I find out more about 
> the model I mentioned. Can't even find a way to ask the manufacturers 
> of Fuji and Brother laser printers.
Officeworks have a Brother HL-2170W which has wireless connectivity.  
Info says it has PCL 6 Emulation but doesn't mention Postscript 3.
Has printer drivers :
PCL for Windows
Brother laser driver for Mac
GDI for linux

Price $169

Next cheapest model Brother HL-5340D for $349
Emulation PCL 6.  BR Script 3 (Postscript 3), IBM Proprinter XL, Epson 
FX-850.

Sounds like this last one would be OK but too dear for me so I'm at a 
loss as to whether the Brother HL-2170W or the Phaser 3125/N would work 
with eCS and my PC.

If I can't find a printer that works I think I'll have to switch to 
using Ubuntu as all these problems are taking days to sort out. That 
would be a pity as I've used eCS for years.

Regards,

Alan

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:24:10 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> On 29/06/10 6:44 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> On 29/06/10 6:23 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>>>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 
>>>>> 2.0 GA
>>>>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>>>>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>>>>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>>>>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>>>>> compatible.
>>>>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>>>>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the 
>>>>> specs
>>>>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>>>>
>>>> Beware the Fuji! Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only
>>>> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better 
>>>> looking at
>>>> Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji 
>>>> Xerox but
>>>> put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer beware, they
>>>> don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often winprinters.
>>>
>>> Where do you get the information that makes you think the 3125N uses a
>>> WinPrinter driver to achieve the PCL compatability?
>>>
>>> The page for the 3125N at
>>> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/blackwhiteprinters/phaser3125n.aspx 
>>>
>>> states:
>>> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language) PCL6, PostScript 3
>>> compatible
>>>
>>> The page for the 3124 at
>>> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/BlackWhitePrinters/Phaser3124.aspx 
>>>
>>>
>>> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language) Host Based
>>>
>>> So Fuji Xerox are upfront when it comes to Host Based printers...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>>
>> My comments were general, I have almost bought Fuji printers in the past
>> only to find that after digging, they are host printers. This is
>> probably not true of all models and I haven't specifically checked this
>> model. I would expect the high end commercial products to be "complete"
>> but the low-end (sub A$150) retail products often are. The point is that
>> the retailer does not supply this information you have to dig to find
>> out if the printer is a "host based" i.e. Win Printer.
>
> Good thing the 3125N is $159 then - it should be OK :)
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
> -

Hey Paul,

  I only saw the prices after responding. I tend to go on market price, 
rather than recommended price so the 3125N could drop under the $150 
level ! :-)

  My point is that one should always research what a printer can do 
before purchasing (of course) - it's a shame that there's no database 
listing which printers are hos based (WinPrinters) and which are not - 
or is there ?

-- 
Cheers/eCS2.0

Ed

Please checkout my podcasts at:
http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes
To subscribe - click this: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com/feed

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:05:48 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Ed,

Ed Durrant wrote:
>  My point is that one should always research what a printer can do 
> before purchasing (of course) - it's a shame that there's no database 
> listing which printers are hos based (WinPrinters) and which are not - 
> or is there ?

http://www.openprinting dot org is the best database I know - but it's not 
100% complete as it's based on user submissions - and it' linux 
orientated....

Cheers,

Paul
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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:09:30 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi again,

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>  My point is that one should always research what a printer can do 
>> before purchasing (of course) - it's a shame that there's no database 
>> listing which printers are hos based (WinPrinters) and which are not - 
>> or is there ?
> 
> http://www.openprinting dot org is the best database I know - but it's not 
> 100% complete as it's based on user submissions - and it' linux 
> orientated....

More specifically - 
http://www.openprinting dot org/printer/Xerox/Xerox-Phaser_1235 for the 
Phaser 1235 (I'm assuming the N just denotes the network version).

It recommends the best driver as being the postscript ppd from xerox - 
so it does really seem like the printer does have native postscript support.

Cheers,

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:45:18 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Alan Duval wrote:
> Officeworks have a Brother HL-2170W which has wireless connectivity.  
> Info says it has PCL 6 Emulation but doesn't mention Postscript 3.
> Has printer drivers :
> PCL for Windows
> Brother laser driver for Mac
> GDI for linux
>
> Price $169
>
> Next cheapest model Brother HL-5340D for $349
> Emulation PCL 6.  BR Script 3 (Postscript 3), IBM Proprinter XL, Epson 
> FX-850.
>
> Sounds like this last one would be OK but too dear for me so I'm at a 
> loss as to whether the Brother HL-2170W or the Phaser 3125/N would 
> work with eCS and my PC.
>
> If I can't find a printer that works I think I'll have to switch to 
> using Ubuntu as all these problems are taking days to sort out. That 
> would be a pity as I've used eCS for years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>

Paul is the expect in this area however I suspect the statement "GDI for 
Linux" leads me to suspect that the HL2170W may be a Winprinter.

Perhaps you could check the database that Paul gave a reference to in 
his last e-mail.

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:24:26 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Guys,

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Alan Duval wrote:
>> Officeworks have a Brother HL-2170W which has wireless connectivity.  
>> Info says it has PCL 6 Emulation but doesn't mention Postscript 3.
>> Has printer drivers :
>> PCL for Windows
>> Brother laser driver for Mac
>> GDI for linux
>>
>> Price $169
>>
>> Next cheapest model Brother HL-5340D for $349
>> Emulation PCL 6.  BR Script 3 (Postscript 3), IBM Proprinter XL, Epson 
>> FX-850.
>>
>> Sounds like this last one would be OK but too dear for me so I'm at a 
>> loss as to whether the Brother HL-2170W or the Phaser 3125/N would 
>> work with eCS and my PC.
>>
>> If I can't find a printer that works I think I'll have to switch to 
>> using Ubuntu as all these problems are taking days to sort out. That 
>> would be a pity as I've used eCS for years.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan
>>
> 
> Paul is the expect in this area however I suspect the statement "GDI for 
> Linux" leads me to suspect that the HL2170W may be a Winprinter.
> 
> Perhaps you could check the database that Paul gave a reference to in 
> his last e-mail.

http://www.openprinting dot org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-2170W

Recommended driver is pxlmono - the description for this driver is 
"Driver for monochrome PCL 6 printers, much faster than the "lj5gray" 
drivers." so I think it's also safe to say that this printer supports PCL6.

Cheers,

Paul
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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:18:57 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> On 29/06/10 6:44 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> On 29/06/10 6:23 AM, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>>>>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS
>>>>>> 2.0 GA
>>>>>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>>>>>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>>>>>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the
>>>>>> Fuji
>>>>>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>>>>>> compatible.
>>>>>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>>>>>> I don't want to spend more money for nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have a Phaser 3124 for $99 with a parallel connector but the
>>>>>> specs
>>>>>> say it is host based PDL and I don't know what that means.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Beware the Fuji! Although it says it's a PCL printer, that's only
>>>>> through a WinPrinter driver - in my experience you are better
>>>>> looking at
>>>>> Brother printers. They often use the same print engine as Fuji
>>>>> Xerox but
>>>>> put a proppoer print engine in the printer - but buyer beware, they
>>>>> don't do this on ALL models. MFCs for example are often winprinters.
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get the information that makes you think the 3125N uses a
>>>> WinPrinter driver to achieve the PCL compatability?
>>>>
>>>> The page for the 3125N at
>>>> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/blackwhiteprinters/phaser3125n.aspx
>>>>
>>>> states:
>>>> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language) PCL6, PostScript 3
>>>> compatible
>>>>
>>>> The page for the 3124 at
>>>> http://www.fujixeroxprinters dot com dot au/en/Products/BlackWhitePrinters/Phaser3124.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Print Language or PDL (Page Description Language) Host Based
>>>>
>>>> So Fuji Xerox are upfront when it comes to Host Based printers...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>> My comments were general, I have almost bought Fuji printers in the
>>> past
>>> only to find that after digging, they are host printers. This is
>>> probably not true of all models and I haven't specifically checked this
>>> model. I would expect the high end commercial products to be "complete"
>>> but the low-end (sub A$150) retail products often are. The point is
>>> that
>>> the retailer does not supply this information you have to dig to find
>>> out if the printer is a "host based" i.e. Win Printer.
>>
>> Good thing the 3125N is $159 then - it should be OK :)
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Paul.
>> -
>
> Hey Paul,
>
>  I only saw the prices after responding. I tend to go on market price,
> rather than recommended price so the 3125N could drop under the $150
> level ! :-)

From my looking around, the market price for this one is hovering around
the $200 level. The only thing that's stopping me from racing out and
buying this one straight away is that Alan mentioned a Brother at a
similar price with wireless connectivity. Perhaps I'll take the details
of both and go to Officworks to take a look.
>
>  My point is that one should always research what a printer can do
> before purchasing (of course) - it's a shame that there's no database
> listing which printers are hos based (WinPrinters) and which are not -
> or is there ?
>
>
From what I've seen, it's pretty certain that the 3125N is  not a
WinPrinter.

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:25:13 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Alan Duval wrote:
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> ------- Original message -------
>>> From: Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
>>
>>> As I have wasted too much time trying to get CUPS going and eCS 2.0 GA
>>> to recogfnise USB devices I will probably have to buy a laser mono
>>> printer. I'll need one with a parallel connection as eCS is not
>>> recognising USB devices. The only one that seems suitable is the Fuji
>>> Xerox Phaser 3125N at OfficeWorks for $159. It is PCL6, Postscript 3
>>> compatible.
>>> Will this work with the HP laserjet driver?
>> It should work with either the HP laserjet driver or the IBM
>> Postscript driver.  with the postscript driver, you'll need to locate
>> the ppd file for the printer either on the driver cd or on the web.
>>
>> I'd suggest a network printer rather than parallel - assuming you
>> have a free network port on your router.
> I have had no experience with network printers and don't want to have
> another problem in setting up a network.
>

With this one you get a choice. It has both ethernet and non-ethernet
interfaces.

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:55:56 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

I've just bitten the bullet and bought a Fuji Xerox 3125N printer. I
have other things to do today, so it's still in the box, but I'll report
back soon on how well it worked (or didn't work).

I was greatly tempted by the Brother HL-2170W, which looks a whole lot
better and has wireless connectivity as an option, but in the end my
decision was swayed by the fact that the Brother one doesn't have
Postscript compatibility. (The fact that it was out of stock at
Officeworks was also a factor, and so was the fact that I saw one
not-very-complimentary review on the web.) Maybe I'm being too fussy
here, but in my mind Postscript means better OS independence.

Anyway, in the next day or so I'll be back with a report.

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:52:03 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Peter,

Peter Moylan wrote:
> I've just bitten the bullet and bought a Fuji Xerox 3125N printer. I
> have other things to do today, so it's still in the box, but I'll report
> back soon on how well it worked (or didn't work).
> 
> I was greatly tempted by the Brother HL-2170W, which looks a whole lot
> better and has wireless connectivity as an option, but in the end my
> decision was swayed by the fact that the Brother one doesn't have
> Postscript compatibility. (The fact that it was out of stock at
> Officeworks was also a factor, and so was the fact that I saw one
> not-very-complimentary review on the web.) Maybe I'm being too fussy
> here, but in my mind Postscript means better OS independence.
> 
> Anyway, in the next day or so I'll be back with a report.
My Epson TX810FW just arrived via Courier too - so I hope to get the 
Continuous Ink System and the printer setup this afternoon - depending 
on how much rest the puppy has (when he's awake I have to watch him 
constantly!!)

Cheers,

Paul

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:56:09 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Peter Moylan wrote:
> I've just bitten the bullet and bought a Fuji Xerox 3125N printer. I
> have other things to do today, so it's still in the box, but I'll report
> back soon on how well it worked (or didn't work).
>
> I was greatly tempted by the Brother HL-2170W, which looks a whole lot
> better and has wireless connectivity as an option, but in the end my
> decision was swayed by the fact that the Brother one doesn't have
> Postscript compatibility. (The fact that it was out of stock at
> Officeworks was also a factor, and so was the fact that I saw one
> not-very-complimentary review on the web.) Maybe I'm being too fussy
> here, but in my mind Postscript means better OS independence.
>
> Anyway, in the next day or so I'll be back with a report.
>
>   
I think Postscript or true PCL compatibility gives good cross platform 
support possibilities. From what Paul pointed to on the Fuji website 
that looks like a good printer, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Please report back and given this is a current model, if it does work 
OK, it probably worth adding to the database at eComStation.ru.

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:11:38 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>  My point is that one should always research what a printer can do 
>>> before purchasing (of course) - it's a shame that there's no 
>>> database listing which printers are hos based (WinPrinters) and 
>>> which are not - or is there ?
>>
>> http://www.openprinting dot org is the best database I know - but it's 
>> not 100% complete as it's based on user submissions - and it' linux 
>> orientated....
>
> More specifically - 
> http://www.openprinting dot org/printer/Xerox/Xerox-Phaser_1235 for the 
> Phaser 1235 (I'm assuming the N just denotes the network version).
>
> It recommends the best driver as being the postscript ppd from xerox - 
> so it does really seem like the printer does have native postscript 
> support.
>
>
That driver is for the Phaser 1235  not the Phaser 3125N which doesn't 
have a listing.. I rang Fuji Xerox but they couldn't tell me more than 
the brochure. They said that I could buy the Phaser 3125N from 
Officeworks and if it didn't work to take it back within 7 days and the 
money would be refunded, so I might buy one on Thursday and hope for the 
best.
The Brother HL-2170W is $199 not $169 and doesn't have a parallel 
connector which I need as eCS is not recognizing any USB ports.
Its info says it has PCL 6 emulation but doesn't mention Postscript 3.
Hence the Phaser 3125N seems my only choice as I couldn't afford the 
Brother HL-5340D at $349.

Regards,

Alan

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:58:45 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Done some internet searching and found that I could get the Brother 
HL-5340D for $243 delivered. It has a parallel connector as well as high 
speed USB 2.0.

Emulation PCL6, BR-script3, IBM Proprinter XL, Epson FX-850.

? what is BR-script 3 and is it similar to postscript 3. Also what is 
IBM Proprinter XL?

Regards,

Alan
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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:20:23 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

<quote who="Alan Duval">

> Also what is
> IBM Proprinter XL?

dot matrix printer emulation (I think)
24pin

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:53:52 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Hi Alan,

------- Original message -------
> From: Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
> To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
> Sent: 29.6.'10,  19:28
>
> Done some internet searching and found that I could get the Brother 
> HL-5340D for $243 delivered. It has a parallel connector as well as high 
> speed USB 2.0.
>
> Emulation PCL6, BR-script3, IBM Proprinter XL, Epson FX-850.
>
> ? what is BR-script 3 and is it similar to postscript 3. Also what is IBM 
> Proprinter XL?
>
BR-script is a proprietary Brother scripting language - similar - but not 
compatible with  postscript.

however, as the printer also supports pcl6 it should work with the laserjet 
driver.

Cheers,

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:16:14 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  3rd option

Alan Duval wrote:
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>  My point is that one should always research what a printer can do
>>>> before purchasing (of course) - it's a shame that there's no
>>>> database listing which printers are hos based (WinPrinters) and
>>>> which are not - or is there ?
>>>
>>> http://www.openprinting dot org is the best database I know - but it's
>>> not 100% complete as it's based on user submissions - and it' linux
>>> orientated....
>>
>> More specifically -
>> http://www.openprinting dot org/printer/Xerox/Xerox-Phaser_1235 for the
>> Phaser 1235 (I'm assuming the N just denotes the network version).

eCS already includes a driver for the 1235, but not for the 3125N - but
that's not a problem because the 3125N does come with a PPD file - see
below.

>>
>> It recommends the best driver as being the postscript ppd from xerox
>> - so it does really seem like the printer does have native postscript
>> support.
>>
>>
> That driver is for the Phaser 1235  not the Phaser 3125N which doesn't
> have a listing.. I rang Fuji Xerox but they couldn't tell me more than
> the brochure. They said that I could buy the Phaser 3125N from
> Officeworks and if it didn't work to take it back within 7 days and
> the money would be refunded, so I might buy one on Thursday and hope
> for the best.

Don't jump in just yet. I've just installed my 3125N, bought today, and
it's not working. Initially the problem was the confusing installation
instructions: I put the toner cartridge in back to front. I've now fixed
that and successfully printed a test page (a built-in function of the
printer). But I can't print from eCS.

This is with a USB connection. (The printer comes with a USB cable, but
not a parallel port cable or ethernet cable.) I wanted to try a parallel
port connection, but the parallel port connector is not compatible with
the only parallel port cable I have. Did the standard for parallel port
connectors change when I wasn't looking? It shouldn't have, because the
other end of the cable happily connects with my PC.

The failure to print with USB might just be a problem with using
USBPRT.SYS, a thing that I've never tried to use before. (That is, I've
never had a USB-connected printer.)

I haven't yet tried it with a network connection. To do that I'll have
to move the printer to my Windows computer, because Windows is needed to
change the IP address. (As supplied, it has an address of
169.254.212.83, a rather strange-looking choice.) I'll try that tomorrow.

The printer driver installation from the PPD file appeared to go OK.
(The utility to do that is in the "Printers" folder in eCS 2.0). The
supplied CD includes 30 different PPD files, for two versions of WinXP
and 15 different languages, but as far as I can tell they're all
identical and do not seem to have any Windows dependencies. After
running the PPD import utility, my list of available printer drivers
includes a "Xerox Phaser 3125 PS", which at least is the right label.

> The Brother HL-2170W is $199 not $169 and doesn't have a parallel
> connector which I need as eCS is not recognizing any USB ports.

I wonder whether that's related to my problem. I have a vague suspicion
that I do have a working printer driver, but a faulty "USB printer"
interface. On the other hand, I do have a working USB disk interface.

By the way, the Officeworks salesman told me that I would have to buy a
USB cable since there wasn't one in the box. I said that was OK, I'd use
the parallel port cable. When I opened the box it was the other way
around: USB cable included, parallel printer cable not included. (But it
did include power cords for 3 different countries!) So what you're told
about what is and is not included might not be right; you can't tell
without opening the box.

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