Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1975
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Friday 25 June 2010
 Number  1975
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  No anti-virus software? No internet connection : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
2  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
3  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
4  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
5  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
6  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
7  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
8  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
9  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
10  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA  and USB : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
11  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>

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Date:  Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:42:47 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  No anti-virus software? No internet connection

Hi All,

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> 
> On 22/06/10 12:48 PM, Ian Manners wrote:
>> <Rant mode>
>>
>> No anti-virus software? No internet
>> connection.
>>
>> <http://www.news dot com dot au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-conne 
>>
>> ction/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490>
>>
> <snip>
>> Where do they get these ideas, and just how many commitees
>> has Rudd&  Co set up ? And it has taken them a year to come
>> up with this !
>> </Rant mode>
> 
> I think it's part of Rudd's cunning plan to lose the upcoming election. 
> With all the unpopular recent policy announcements y
> ou'd think he'd start to learn!!

With last night's announcement - maybe that will be Gillard going to the 
next election - not Rudd!! Be interesting to see what policy changes are 
made assuming Gillard does win..

Interesting times...

Cheers,

Paul
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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:45:59 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Alan Duval wrote:

> I have just installed eCS 2.0 GA to a removable IDE hard drive but
> find that it doesn't recognise any USB sticks that I plug in and that
> are recognised by eCS 2.0 Silver which I have on another drive. How
> do I fix this?
>
I hadn't even thought of testing this until you said that. Now I realise
that something weird is happening. This is with eCS 2.0 GA installable
to a fixed IDE hard drive, formatted as bootable JFS.

First off, I couldn't find the usual "Refresh removable media" object.
Finally located it in the "System Setup" folder, and moved it to the
"Drives" folder where I'm used to having it. (The "Drives" folder is
easy to find on my eCS toolbar now that I've replaced the stupid default
icon by a recognisable "Drives" icon rescued from an old copy of Warp.)

(The Warp 3 drives icon is the most readable of all, but I neglected to
save it in my icon collection. The Warp 4 one is less clear - it's a
diagonal view of a disk, so requires higher resolution to make sense of
it - but it's not too bad. The eCS icon seems to have been designed for
a 5000x5000 screen resolution.)

1. Plugged in a USB stick that was already formatted as HPFS (Drive I:).
Attempted to use "Refresh removable media" a number of times, without
any luck.

2. Opened a command line, used the command "lvm /rediscoverprm". It
didn't work the first time. Tried again, and it worked the second time.

3. Used the command "eject I:". Waited until the light stopped
flickering, then used "lvm /rediscoverprm" several times, none of which
worked.

4. Unplugged the USB stick, then plugged it in again. This time the USB
stick was discovered without my having to issue any command.

Since then, I've been able to get the USB stick recognised by simply
plugging it in, without any command.

Conclusions:
(a) This version of LVM.EXE is buggy. Does anyone know how to submit a
bug report?
(b) There is a daemon running that discovers removable drives, and once
you get it working it keeps working, but it doesn't work initially. I'm
not sure whether I got it working by persisting with the LVM command, or
simply by plugging and unplugging it enough times.

I haven't yet tried rebooting and then plugging in the drive again. I
suspect that after a reboot I will again have to try a number of times
before the drive is recognised.

-- 
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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:02:38 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Hi Peter,

>(a) This version of LVM.EXE is buggy. Does anyone know how to submit a
>bug report?

I remember someone mentioning that its in the faq file on the first
eCS CD.

Cheers
Ian Manners
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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:14:10 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Hi Alan,

>I have just installed eCS 2.0 GA to a removable IDE hard drive but find
>that it doesn't recognise any USB sticks that I plug in and that are
>recognised by eCS 2.0 Silver which I have on another drive.
>How do I fix this?

Dont know if it will fix it but try a manual USB hardware check and
install.

example

[C:\os2\boot]hcimonit.exe
You have 1 PCI USB OHCI host controller(s)
You have 1 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)

ok, the above tells me I have 1 OHCI and 1 EHCI controller

so in the config.sys file I want 

BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /REQ:USBOHCD$,USBEHCD$
[then all the other USB stuff]

People keep telling me to leave the settings off at the end of
BASEDEV=USBD.SYS because it will cause problems or
some other voodoo but I have no idea what USB drivers they
are using, the IBM readme file information seems to be
correct, and it works fine for me.

The main HCD drivers and which ones to use are listed below.
BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each UHCI
controller reported by HCIMONIT)
BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each OHCI
controller reported by HCIMONIT)
BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each EHCI
controller reported by HCIMONIT)

The full USB setup I use is :-

BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /REQ:USBOHCD$,USBEHCD$
BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD /FLOPPIES:0 /REMOVABLES:4
DEVICE=D:\APPS\tame\usbresmg.sys

but of cause yours will differ depending on devices etc you have.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:44:52 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>> I have just installed eCS 2.0 GA to a removable IDE hard drive but find
>> that it doesn't recognise any USB sticks that I plug in and that are
>> recognised by eCS 2.0 Silver which I have on another drive.
>> How do I fix this?
>>     
>
> Dont know if it will fix it but try a manual USB hardware check and
> install.
>
> example
>
> [C:\os2\boot]hcimonit.exe
> You have 1 PCI USB OHCI host controller(s)
> You have 1 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)
>
> ok, the above tells me I have 1 OHCI and 1 EHCI controller
>
> so in the config.sys file I want 
>
> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /REQ:USBOHCD$,USBEHCD$
> [then all the other USB stuff]
>
> People keep telling me to leave the settings off at the end of
> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS because it will cause problems or
> some other voodoo but I have no idea what USB drivers they
> are using, the IBM readme file information seems to be
> correct, and it works fine for me.
>
> The main HCD drivers and which ones to use are listed below.
> BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each UHCI
> controller reported by HCIMONIT)
> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each OHCI
> controller reported by HCIMONIT)
> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each EHCI
> controller reported by HCIMONIT)
>
> The full USB setup I use is :-
>
> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /REQ:USBOHCD$,USBEHCD$
> BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD /FLOPPIES:0 /REMOVABLES:4
> DEVICE=D:\APPS\tame\usbresmg.sys
>
> but of cause yours will differ depending on devices etc you have.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
>   
Hi Ian, Alan,

After 5 years of exclusively using eCS2.0 [betaX|RCx], apart from 
occasionally confirminging/disproving points reported by others about 
eCS1.2R, I have never in all of that time had the switches on the end of 
my USBMSD config.sys line.

Ditto for any remaining W4FP15+/MCP2 volumes.

All of my systems (multi-multi editions on same 250GB HDD) all recognize 
_all of my USB-flash sticks/SD[HC]-cards etc_., as well as my one 3.5" 
15-partition Maxtor 20GB (was a [Very Low Profile] desktop multi-boot - 
one W2K instance - all others bar 3 JFS data volumes are bootable 
W4-MCP2-eCS) which is the only 3.5" HDD shallow enough to fit into the 
bare enclosure, immediately on insertion/attachment, and I haven't used 
the "Refresh Removable Media" object in years. Probably W4FP16 [non-LVM] 
or so was the very fastest to mount any USB-MSD media here.

Alan,

Make sure that you have usbresmg.sys entry in config.sys.
Run USBDOCK against your system, and see what hardware it discovers and 
recognises (or not?)!

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:10:32 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

See results of suggested commands etc. interspersed below

Alan

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Ian Manners wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>> I have just installed eCS 2.0 GA to a removable IDE hard drive but find
>>> that it doesn't recognise any USB sticks that I plug in and that are
>>> recognised by eCS 2.0 Silver which I have on another drive.
>>> How do I fix this?
>>>     
>>
>> Dont know if it will fix it but try a manual USB hardware check and
>> install.
>>
>> example
>>
>> [C:\os2\boot]hcimonit.exe
>> You have 1 PCI USB OHCI host controller(s)
>> You have 1 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)
hcimonit.exe  gives the following:

You have 6 PCI USB UHCI host controller(s)
You have 2 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)

>>
>> ok, the above tells me I have 1 OHCI and 1 EHCI controller
>>
>> so in the config.sys file I want
>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /REQ:USBOHCD$,USBEHCD$
>> [then all the other USB stuff]
In my config.sys I have:

BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS   (6 times)
BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS    (2 times)
BASEDEV=USBD.SYS

>>
>> People keep telling me to leave the settings off at the end of
>> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS because it will cause problems or
>> some other voodoo but I have no idea what USB drivers they
>> are using, the IBM readme file information seems to be
>> correct, and it works fine for me.
>>
>> The main HCD drivers and which ones to use are listed below.
>> BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each UHCI
>> controller reported by HCIMONIT)
>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each OHCI
>> controller reported by HCIMONIT)
>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS     (one copy of this statement for each EHCI
>> controller reported by HCIMONIT)
>>
>> The full USB setup I use is :-
>>
>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /REQ:USBOHCD$,USBEHCD$
>> BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD /FLOPPIES:0 /REMOVABLES:4
>> DEVICE=D:\APPS\tame\usbresmg.sys
>>
>> but of cause yours will differ depending on devices etc you have.
I have:

BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS   (6 times)
BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS    (2 times)
BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD /REMOVABLES:8 /FLOPPIES:1
DEVICE=\ecs\boot\USBRESMG.SYS

>>
>> Cheers
>> Ian Manners
>>   
> Hi Ian, Alan,
>
> After 5 years of exclusively using eCS2.0 [betaX|RCx], apart from 
> occasionally confirminging/disproving points reported by others about 
> eCS1.2R, I have never in all of that time had the switches on the end 
> of my USBMSD config.sys line.
>
> Ditto for any remaining W4FP15+/MCP2 volumes.
>
> All of my systems (multi-multi editions on same 250GB HDD) all 
> recognize _all of my USB-flash sticks/SD[HC]-cards etc_., as well as 
> my one 3.5" 15-partition Maxtor 20GB (was a [Very Low Profile] desktop 
> multi-boot - one W2K instance - all others bar 3 JFS data volumes are 
> bootable W4-MCP2-eCS) which is the only 3.5" HDD shallow enough to fit 
> into the bare enclosure, immediately on insertion/attachment, and I 
> haven't used the "Refresh Removable Media" object in years. Probably 
> W4FP16 [non-LVM] or so was the very fastest to mount any USB-MSD media 
> here.
>
> Alan,
>
> Make sure that you have usbresmg.sys entry in config.sys.
> Run USBDOCK against your system, and see what hardware it discovers 
> and recognises (or not?)!
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
USBDOCK  run after attaching a USB device, says:   "No attached USB devices"
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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:20:55 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Alan Duval ha scritto:
>
> You have 6 PCI USB UHCI host controller(s)
> You have 2 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)
>
> In my config.sys I have:
>
> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS    (2 times)
>
Only one single line is allowed for this one.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:59:41 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> Alan Duval ha scritto:
>>
>> You have 6 PCI USB UHCI host controller(s)
>> You have 2 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)
>>
>> In my config.sys I have:
>>
>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS    (2 times)
>>
> Only one single line is allowed for this one.
>
REM'd out the second line but it made no difference. The second line was 
put in by the install process.

My system has:
8 x USB 2.0/1.1 ports
2 x IEEE  1394a ports
1 x RJ-45 port

Should my config.sys show  "PCI USB OHCI host controllers" instead of  
"PCI USB UHCI host controllers" ? I just let the install process choose 
the controllers.

Regards,

Alan
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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:03:38 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:26:52 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA  and USB

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> Alan Duval ha scritto:
>>
>> You have 6 PCI USB UHCI host controller(s)
>> You have 2 PCI USB EHCI host controller(s)
>>
>> In my config.sys I have:
>>
>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS    (2 times)
>>
> Only one single line is allowed for this one.
>
REM'd out the second line but it made no difference. The second line was 
put in by the install process.

My system has:
8 x USB 2.0/1.1 ports
2 x IEEE  1394a ports
1 x RJ-45 port

Should my config.sys show  "PCI USB OHCI host controllers" instead of  
"PCI USB UHCI host controllers" ? I just let the install process choose 
the controllers.

Regards,

Alan
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Date:  Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:35:56 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  eCS 2.0 GA and USB

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
>   
>> (a) This version of LVM.EXE is buggy. Does anyone know how to submit a
>> bug report?
>>     
>
> I remember someone mentioning that its in the faq file on the first
> eCS CD.
>   

Thanks. I found the bug tracker at
http://bugs.ecomstation.nl/view_all_bug_page.php (login is necessary).
Meanwhile, however, my USB stick is recognised when I plug it in - no
LVM call necessary - so there is no longer a bug to report. I'll just
have to keep an eye on whether this can be reproduced.

I did have a glitch where this drive appeared to be empty, but CHKDSK
fixed the problem.

-- 
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