Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1967
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:01:30 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 14 June 2010
 Number  1967
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  CUPS problem : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
2  Re:  CUPS problem : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
3   Laser printers : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Laser printers : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  Laser printers : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
6  Re:  CUPS problem : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
7  Re:  Laser printers : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Laser printers : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
9  Re:  Laser printers : madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
10  Re:  Laser printers : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
11   CUPS Partial success : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Laser printers : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
13  Re:  Laser printers : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
14  Re:  Laser printers : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
15  Re:  Laser printers : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
16  Re:  Laser printers : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>

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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:35:04 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS problem

Alan Duval wrote:
> Decided to buy a HP Deskjet D2660 as I wasn't getting anywhere with 
> the hp psc 1315 and it started playing up. After research I found that 
> HPLIP supports the mode l bought.
>
> I then uninstalled CUPS with Warpin and downloaded the CUPS warpin 
> file again and reinstalled it plus the HPLIP drivers. Then installed 
> the printer from CUPS from my browser and tried to print a test page 
> but again failed with the CUPS page showing the following:
>
> *HPd2660 "/cups/lib/cups/filter/hpcups.exe failed"*
>
> *Description:* HP Deskjet D2660
> *Location:* Local
> *Printer Driver:* HP Deskjet d2600 Series, hpcups 3.9.12.29
> *Printer State:* idle, accepting jobs, published.
> *Device URI:* usb://HP/Deskjet%20D2600%20series?serial=CN9CFDF22K05C9
>
> I used the option to choose the *.ppd file which I found in   
> C:\cups\share\ppd\HP  folder.
> I note that these ppd files are really  *.ppd.gz files  so do I need 
> gunzip somewhere to unzip them or does the CUPS program have this 
> ability?
>
> One other thing I noticed is that the CUPS warpin program has put the 
> eCUPS Daemon program folder in my startup folder and its properties 
> folder shows the path and file name as  'cmd.exe'   and the parameters 
> as " /c detach C:\cups\sbin\cupsd.exe " . Does that automatically 
> start cupsd ?
>
> I don't know where I can go. As far as I know I've followed the 
> instructions fully but to no avail.
> I installed the new printer in Ubuntu and WIN XP and it's working well 
> in both but eCS is my main OS and I no longer have a printer that 
> works with it.
>
> I'd be grateful for any help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan Duval

I don't like the WPI installer, I have never been able to get it to work 
correctly (others say they have, so it's something with my system). I 
have install the individual CUPS packages on several occasions and got 
printers working correctly however.

http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups/wiki/HowTo

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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:42:27 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS problem

Alan Duval wrote:

> One other thing I noticed is that the CUPS warpin program has put the
> eCUPS Daemon program folder in my startup folder and its properties
> folder shows the path and file name as  'cmd.exe'   and the parameters
> as " /c detach C:\cups\sbin\cupsd.exe " . Does that automatically
> start cupsd ?

I can't answer your main question - CUPS took me a while to get working
- but I can confirm that that part is correct. The "detach" command
starts cupsd as a daemon, i.e. it runs it but without creating a
keyboard or screen interface.

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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:40:47 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Laser printers

Is there a laser printer that has drivers for eCS 2.0?
I remember an Email stating that Kyocera had drivers for os/2 but that 
was quite a while ago.

Regards,

Alan Duval
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 9:57:51 +1000
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

HP PCL?
Postscript?
that's aways a safe bet

© Voytek Eymont
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 ..... Original Message .......
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:40:47 +1000 "Alan Duval" <amoht at westnet dot com dot au> wrote:
>Is there a laser printer that has drivers for eCS 2.0?
>I remember an Email stating that Kyocera had drivers for os/2 but that 
>was quite a while ago.
>
>Regards,
>
>Alan Duval
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:43:16 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

I'm happy with my Brother HL-2040, which you can probably still get for 
a cheap price (sub $100) if you shop around. It has a real printer 
controller (i.e. it's not a "winprinter"), it uses the HP laserjet 
protocol (PCL) and driver - I select the HL-1250 printer within the IBM 
Laserjet native OS/2 driver - just remember to set job properties / 
options to no performance options and system fonts only.

I would hope that later Brother laser printer will still work, but I 
cannot give you the model number of one that I know to work.

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> HP PCL?
> Postscript?
> that's aways a safe bet
>
> © Voytek Eymont
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>
>  ..... Original Message .......
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:40:47 +1000 "Alan Duval" <amoht at westnet dot com dot au> wrote:
>   
>> Is there a laser printer that has drivers for eCS 2.0?
>> I remember an Email stating that Kyocera had drivers for os/2 but that 
>> was quite a while ago.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan Duval
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Ed

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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:53:33 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS problem

Hi Alan,

Alan Duval wrote:
> *HPd2660 "/cups/lib/cups/filter/hpcups.exe failed"*
Per my previous advice, hpcups requires gcc444.dll - which is available 
from http://download.smedley.info/gcc444.zip

Cheers,

Paul
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:52:10 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

Ed Durrant wrote:
> I'm happy with my Brother HL-2040, which you can probably still get 
> for a cheap price (sub $100) if you shop around. It has a real printer 
> controller (i.e. it's not a "winprinter"), it uses the HP laserjet 
> protocol (PCL) and driver - I select the HL-1250 printer within the 
> IBM Laserjet native OS/2 driver - just remember to set job properties 
> / options to no performance options and system fonts only.
>
> I would hope that later Brother laser printer will still work, but I 
> cannot give you the model number of one that I know to work.
>
> Ed.
>
Can't find any Brother HL-2040 laser printers on the internet.
Officeworks are selling a Brother HL-2142 printer for $99  but 
specifications don't mention  psc.  In the printing section it says GDI 
emulation.
They have a Fuji Xerox Phaser 3125/N  laser printer for $159 and 
specifications say, Print functions:  PDL  PCL6, Postscript 3 compatible.
Would that work with eCS 2.0?

Regards,

Alan
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:01:10 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

>I'm happy with my Brother HL-2040, which you can probably still get for 
>a cheap price (sub $100) if you shop around. It has a real printer 

My Brother HL-5040 works well, picked it up off the street 2 years ago
with a minor paper jam. The Brother HL-5040's driver is called
'LASER.Brother HL-5040' in the last lot of IBM drivers (30.827).

I've also used this driver for more recent Brother Lasers with
PCL6 Enhanced though I've noticed the driver doesnt work if you
select 'Draft Mode (EconoMode)' with the recent Brother Lasers.

Brother HL 2140 Mono Laser is a current model which also works
well.

Cheers
Ian Manners
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Date:  Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:10:49 -0400
From:  madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

Alan Duval wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> I'm happy with my Brother HL-2040, which you can probably still get 
>> for a cheap price (sub $100) if you shop around. It has a real printer 
>> controller (i.e. it's not a "winprinter"), it uses the HP laserjet 
>> protocol (PCL) and driver - I select the HL-1250 printer within the 
>> IBM Laserjet native OS/2 driver - just remember to set job properties 
>> / options to no performance options and system fonts only.
>>
>> I would hope that later Brother laser printer will still work, but I 
>> cannot give you the model number of one that I know to work.
>>
>> Ed.
>>
> Can't find any Brother HL-2040 laser printers on the internet.
> Officeworks are selling a Brother HL-2142 printer for $99  but 
> specifications don't mention  psc.  In the printing section it says GDI 
> emulation.

GDI means windoze only.

> They have a Fuji Xerox Phaser 3125/N  laser printer for $159 and 
> specifications say, Print functions:  PDL  PCL6, Postscript 3 compatible.
> Would that work with eCS 2.0?

PCL6 is laserjet emulation, so it should work with a similar featured 
LaserJet driver.  Postscript 3, for me anyway, is the best, since you can 
use a printer specific PPD file to add that model to the OS/2 Postscript 
driver so it should support most if not all of the printers features.  At 
least that is the case with my Brother MFC-9840CDW printer.

Mark
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:25:10 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:10:49 -0400 madodel wrote:
>
>
>PCL6 is laserjet emulation, so it should work with a similar featured 
>LaserJet driver.  Postscript 3, for me anyway, is the best, since you can 
>use a printer specific PPD file to add that model to the OS/2 Postscript 
>driver so it should support most if not all of the printers features.  At 
>least that is the case with my Brother MFC-9840CDW printer.
>

That sounds like good news, Mark.

I understand that PPD files are text and can be extracted from elsewherre
(like a Windoze system) but is the process of "adding that model to the
OS/2 Postscipt driver" trivial or difficult for a home user?
 
Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 Zealot
Melbourne Victoria, AUSTRALIA
Email: talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:49:26 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   CUPS Partial success

AS test print was failing with the notice

HPd2660 "/cups/lib/cups/filter/hpcups.exe failed

I decided to go to the command line and type "HPd2660 
"/cups/lib/cups/filter/hpcups"

Error line came up "Can't find GCC434.dll"

So I downloaded it and installed it.

Then tried test print and it printed 1/2 page then stopped. After 
several restarts and further
attempts to print the test page with partial success I deleted all jobs 
restarted and was able to print the
test page.

Then tried printing from the command line with Paul's suggestion

\cups\bin\lpr -P HPd2660 C:config.sys

Part of a page is printed then the printing stops and eventually 
flashing lights come on indicating
both inkwells need changing. However I can go to Ubuntu and print a full 
page so the inkwells
don't need changing.

Restarted and the printer started printing (probably the rest of 
config.sys) but stopped after a few lines.

It's all very odd.

Alan

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Date:  Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:02:20 -0600
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

On 6/13/2010 9:25 PM, John Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:10:49 -0400 madodel wrote:
>>
>>
>> PCL6 is laserjet emulation, so it should work with a similar featured
>> LaserJet driver.  Postscript 3, for me anyway, is the best, since you can
>> use a printer specific PPD file to add that model to the OS/2 Postscript
>> driver so it should support most if not all of the printers features.  At
>> least that is the case with my Brother MFC-9840CDW printer.
>>
>
> That sounds like good news, Mark.
>
> I understand that PPD files are text and can be extracted from elsewherre
> (like a Windoze system) but is the process of "adding that model to the
> OS/2 Postscipt driver" trivial or difficult for a home user?
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 Zealot
> Melbourne Victoria, AUSTRALIA
> Email: talldad at kepl dot com dot au

The addition of PPD files is pretty trivial.  The IBM Postscript package 
has a utility to do the add.  If you have eCS, it ships with a GUI that 
automates the import.  I usually get my PPD files from the manufacturers 
Linux support downloads, although I have used the Windows XP ones.  I am 
not currently running any printer (I have a Lexmark E260dn and an HP 
2550 Color LaserJet) that has drivers supplied in the IBM Postscript 
package.  Both are running fine with mported PPD files.

I am a supervisor for the AARP Tax-Aide program (freebie income tax 
filing for the elderly and low income).  We use both Brother and HP 
printers.  I have imported PPD files for both and printed to them with eCS.

My church has a Xerox copier with RJ45 and USB ports.  I imported its 
PPD file to eCS and printed away.

My personal preference is Lexmark, Brother, and HP (I don't feel that HP 
printers are of the same quality that they used to be).  I have not 
really studied it, but I suspect that the Brother is the lowest cost 
when you consider toner.

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Sandia Park, NM
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/
The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and 
delivereth them. Psalm 34:7

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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:14:11 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

Alan Duval wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> I'm happy with my Brother HL-2040, which you can probably still get 
>> for a cheap price (sub $100) if you shop around. It has a real 
>> printer controller (i.e. it's not a "winprinter"), it uses the HP 
>> laserjet protocol (PCL) and driver - I select the HL-1250 printer 
>> within the IBM Laserjet native OS/2 driver - just remember to set job 
>> properties / options to no performance options and system fonts only.
>>
>> I would hope that later Brother laser printer will still work, but I 
>> cannot give you the model number of one that I know to work.
>>
>> Ed.
>>
> Can't find any Brother HL-2040 laser printers on the internet.
> Officeworks are selling a Brother HL-2142 printer for $99  but 
> specifications don't mention  psc.  In the printing section it says 
> GDI emulation.
> They have a Fuji Xerox Phaser 3125/N  laser printer for $159 and 
> specifications say, Print functions:  PDL  PCL6, Postscript 3 compatible.
> Would that work with eCS 2.0?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
> -
GDI is another name for WinPrinter - don't buy this one. Ian suggested 
some more Brother models in his response, perhaps you can find one of those.

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Ed

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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:45:32 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

Hi Ed/Alan,

>GDI is another name for WinPrinter - don't buy this one. Ian suggested 
>some more Brother models in his response, perhaps you can find one of those.

I just went looking to see if the HL 2140 is still available, and I note
on
the City Software website it is BUT it says there that it has

Processor  	181 MHz
RAM Installed ( Max ) 	8 MB
Language Simulation 	Windows GDI driver

either they changed it, or it is not a true Windows GDI printer,
which seems to defeat the purpose of WinGDI, I think the
manual would need to be downloaded and
checked.

<http://www.citysoftware dot com dot au/Brother_HL_2140_Mono_Laser_Printer_BRT0179.
aspx>

Also note it has Linux and Mac in the System Requirements.

Cheers
Ian Manners
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:18 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

madodel wrote:
> Alan Duval wrote:
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> I'm happy with my Brother HL-2040, which you can probably still
>>> get for a cheap price (sub $100) if you shop around. It has a
>>> real printer controller (i.e. it's not a "winprinter"), it uses
>>> the HP laserjet protocol (PCL) and driver - I select the HL-1250
>>> printer within the IBM Laserjet native OS/2 driver - just
>>> remember to set job properties / options to no performance
>>> options and system fonts only.
>>>
>>> I would hope that later Brother laser printer will still work,
>>> but I cannot give you the model number of one that I know to
>>> work.
>>>
>> Can't find any Brother HL-2040 laser printers on the internet.
>> Officeworks are selling a Brother HL-2142 printer for $99  but
>> specifications don't mention  psc.  In the printing section it says
>> GDI emulation.
>
> GDI means windoze only.
>
>> They have a Fuji Xerox Phaser 3125/N  laser printer for $159 and
>> specifications say, Print functions:  PDL  PCL6, Postscript 3
>> compatible. Would that work with eCS 2.0?
>
> PCL6 is laserjet emulation, so it should work with a similar featured
> LaserJet driver.  Postscript 3, for me anyway, is the best, since you
> can use a printer specific PPD file to add that model to the OS/2
> Postscript driver so it should support most if not all of the
> printers features.  At least that is the case with my Brother
> MFC-9840CDW printer.

I've just received the latest Officeworks junk mail, and now they're
advertising a Brother HL-2150N mono laser printer (having both USB and
ethernet interfaces) for $149. The specifications on the Brother web
site say "PCL emulation". Should I assume that this doesn't necessarily
mean Postscript 3 compatible? I would imagine that if it was Postscript
3 compatible then this would be mentioned in the specifications. It does
claim to be Linux compatible.

Ah, I think I just got my answer. One vendor's web site lists HL-2150N
with PCL6, and then lists a more expensive model (HL-5340d) with both
PCL6 and Postscript 3. OK, scrap the 2150N.

A more attractive-looking option is a Samsung CLP315 colour laser
printer. The interface is called SPL-C, which appears to stand for
something like "Samsung Printer Language", and I'm suspicious because a
Google search found one place that wrote this as "SPL-C (host-based
printing)". Wipe Samsung as a supplier, then.

Most of the attractive deals for laser printers appear to be for
multifunction machines. I imagine, however, that these would be wasted
in OS/2 - even if printing worked, scanning probably wouldn't.

I'm rapidly reaching the conclusion that the people doing the heavy
advertising (Officeworks, Post Office, KMart, Dick Smith, etc.) carry
only the cheap-and-nasty versions designed for the Windows users, and
that the right way to proceed is to find a suitable model and then shop
on-line for a good price. It'll probably mean having to spend a couple
of hundred dollars extra, but that's true for most electrical goods when
you want quality rather than junk.

(Last winter I paid double the typical price for an electric blanket.
Sure, it was expensive, but it was NOT MADE IN CHINA, which means that
it's likely to keep working even after the warranty runs out. I've
thrown away too many faulty products to be caught by the made-in-China
trap again. Of course it's difficult to find retailers who will sell you
non-Chinese products, but they're available if you search hard enough.)

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
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Date:  Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:00:23 +0845
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Laser printers

Hi Peter,

Peter Moylan wrote:
> A more attractive-looking option is a Samsung CLP315 colour laser
> printer. The interface is called SPL-C, which appears to stand for
> something like "Samsung Printer Language", and I'm suspicious because a
> Google search found one place that wrote this as "SPL-C (host-based
> printing)". Wipe Samsung as a supplier, then.
Some Samsung printers have open source drivers and can work with Cups & 
OS/2.

For eg I have a CLP-300N here that works ok using Splix and Cups.

Cheers,

Paul
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