Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1782
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:01:22 AET-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 14 February 2009
 Number  1782
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  ot: GPRS NextG/3G mobile data Q : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
2  Re:  ot: GPRS NextG/3G mobile data Q : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
3  Re:  ot: GPRS NextG/3G mobile data Q : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
4   How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
5  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
6  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions? : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
7  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
8  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
9  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
10  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
11  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions? : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
12  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:03:26 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: GPRS NextG/3G mobile data Q

<quote who="Ed Durrant">
> Voytek Eymont wrote:

> I have used both my "3" phone and my Next-G phone as modems to my EeePC
> and Thinkpads, both under Windoze and eCS. The "3" phone doesn't have an
> indicator and my Next-G phone appears to only have a 3G indicator, or at
> least I haven't GPRS ever displayed.

I think I have it largely worked out:

Motorola phone brings up 'GPRS data' when something links to it via
bluetooth, rather than, USB cable (that brings 'USB link' in same LCD
space.

so, that 'gprs' screen label appears purely an indication of terminal
connection to the phone; not an indication of net link (as I thought)

'3g' icon lights up to indicate network availability, 'h' only lights up
during data transfer, once traffic stops, 'h' reverts to '3g'

the dslreports/mspeed, not sure how reliable it really is, today, it told
me 5k test file was too small, offered 200/400/1m, in the past, I've used
200k, now, it told me even 200 was 'too small' tried 400, gave lousy
results

I did some gmaps lookup from Palm, '3g' icon altered to 'h' during data
transfer.

so all's well

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:17:24 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  ot: GPRS NextG/3G mobile data Q

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> <quote who="Ed Durrant">
>   
>> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>> I have used both my "3" phone and my Next-G phone as modems to my EeePC
>> and Thinkpads, both under Windoze and eCS. The "3" phone doesn't have an
>> indicator and my Next-G phone appears to only have a 3G indicator, or at
>> least I haven't GPRS ever displayed.
>>     
>
>
> I think I have it largely worked out:
>
> Motorola phone brings up 'GPRS data' when something links to it via
> bluetooth, rather than, USB cable (that brings 'USB link' in same LCD
> space.
>
> so, that 'gprs' screen label appears purely an indication of terminal
> connection to the phone; not an indication of net link (as I thought)
>
> '3g' icon lights up to indicate network availability, 'h' only lights up
> during data transfer, once traffic stops, 'h' reverts to '3g'
>
> the dslreports/mspeed, not sure how reliable it really is, today, it told
> me 5k test file was too small, offered 200/400/1m, in the past, I've used
> 200k, now, it told me even 200 was 'too small' tried 400, gave lousy
> results
>
> I did some gmaps lookup from Palm, '3g' icon altered to 'h' during data
> transfer.
>
> so all's well
>
>
>   
That's good to hear, Speed on 3G does vary a lot at times depending 
where you are. If you are in a good location 3G can operate in HSDPA 
mode which in theory can run up to 7.2 Mb/s download speed but normally 
this is only possible with a 3G modem rather than a 3G phone.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:32:45 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ot: GPRS NextG/3G mobile data Q

<quote who="Ed Durrant">
> Voytek Eymont wrote:

> That's good to hear, Speed on 3G does vary a lot at times depending
> where you are. If you are in a good location 3G can operate in HSDPA mode
> which in theory can run up to 7.2 Mb/s download speed but normally this is
> only possible with a 3G modem rather than a 3G phone.

Ed,

my mobile is 'only' capable of 3.6MB/s, and, the target Palm device is on
bluetooth 1.1, so anything over abt. 1MB/s is of scientific interest only

and, as I only buy/use 5MB per month, the difference is....

but it sure is faster than my GPRS phone

if I had a h/h with edr bt, well, would be another story

but google maps lookup now takes abt. 5 sec (from Palm)

would be nice if google supported the DIA screen, not just 'main screen'.

all's well

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Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:52:32 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:   How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions?

Hi,
  I use the mediaconnectivity extension, unfortunately there are now two 
versions of it - one that works with Firefox up to 3.01Alpha and the 
other that need to be used with version 3 (non-alpha) and above.

  I run both version 2.0.0.19 and 3.06 of firefox and each time I update 
one to the correct version of Mediaconnectivity, the other complains 
that it is not compatible. This is not a plugin, rather an add-on or 
extension. Does anyone know where there is a setting to tell FF where to 
look for these ?

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:07:01 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:08:05 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:

>John Angelico wrote:
>>  On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:26:26 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Peter, Mike Voytek
>>
>> > I have a similar complaint to yours about the V3.0.x Firefox
>> > appearance, though my equivalent text is Sans Serif style text -
>> > which does come up with very black text, but it's so BOLDED, and at
>> > a larger point size than with V2.0.x - indeed very ugly. I too
>> > would like to know how to have it revert to former behaviour. This
>> > larger font also reduces the number of items (with associated text)
>> > that one can fit in the Bookmark toolbar, if not using unlabelled
>> > icons!
>>
>>  Are you perhaps looking for Options/Content/Fonts & Colours ? Only
>>  one font/size setting though.
>>
>>  I use Workplace Sans 14 point, but then my eyes aren't what they used
>>  to be.
>
>No luck there, I'm afraid. That option only affects the page being 
>displayed. 

>(And only if the author hasn't overridden it, which is 
>becoming rarer. Web authors have absolutely no understanding that one 
>day their eyes too will reach the point where they can't read their own 
>web pages ... at which point they might just discover that the whole 
>point of HTML is that the presentation details are supposed to be 
>controlled from the reader's end. But I digress.) 

Hmm, we can force authors to obey us:
http://support.mozilla dot com/en-US/kb/Changing+fonts+and+colors#Changing_Font
by not letting page fonts override our selection.

>My default font is 
>also a sans serif font, but my Firefox menus and so on have serifs.
>

I think I have found something for you to check out:
http://www.mozilla dot org/unix/customizing.html#usercss
and
http://www.mozilla dot org/support/thunderbird/edit

>By coincidence, your posting answered one of my questions about 
>Thunderbird. It appeared to me in a different font size from most other 
>people's plain text. On checking the source, I see that you use the 
>utf-8 character encoding. From Thunderbird's point of view, that means 
>it's not English; it goes into the "Other languages" category.

Well, well. We finally get to use UTF-8 properly in PMMail 3 and TB doesn't
know what to do with it! Welcome to the Wild West of (internet)
programming, I guess. :-)

>I don't know why Firefox and Thunderbird both insist on basing their 
>fonts on language rather than on character set. If they did it in terms 
>of MIME charsets, we'd finally be able to figure out what they mean.

Logic? Reason? There's no reason; it's policy - that's all!  :-)

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:02:36 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi,
>  I use the mediaconnectivity extension, unfortunately there are now two 
> versions of it - one that works with Firefox up to 3.01Alpha and the 
> other that need to be used with version 3 (non-alpha) and above.
> 
>  I run both version 2.0.0.19 and 3.06 of firefox and each time I update 
> one to the correct version of Mediaconnectivity, the other complains 
> that it is not compatible. This is not a plugin, rather an add-on or 
> extension. Does anyone know where there is a setting to tell FF where to 
> look for these ?
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
> 

I think this might work.  Remember this statement in CONFIG.SYS?
SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\PROGRAMS\MOZ_PLUG
I think you can use a feature of RUN! that is normally not used:
FIREFOX!LE.EXE
   L  - set LIBPATHSTRICT (use option 'U' to turn it off)
   E  - modify environment using file 'exename!.ENV' (e.g. xyz!.env)
FIREFOX!.ENV
   SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=<somewhere else>

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
1449 State Highway 14 N
Sandia Park, NM 87047
505-286-3191
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt 
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou 
shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:11:05 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

John Angelico wrote:
>  On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:08:05 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:

> > My default font is also a sans serif font, but my Firefox menus and
> > so on have serifs.

>  I think I have found something for you to check out:
>  http://www.mozilla dot org/unix/customizing.html#usercss and
>  http://www.mozilla dot org/support/thunderbird/edit

Many thanks. I've now created a file userChrome.css with the content 
below. (I'm not sure why all the "not important" tags, but they seem to 
be recommended.) It's made a significant improvement to the look of Firefox.

 at namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla dot org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* 
set default namespace to XUL */

/* Set font size and family for dialogs
 * and other miscellaneous text
 */
window {
  font-size: 3mm !important;
  font-weight: normal !important;
  font-family: helvetica !important;
}

/* Make menus big, pretty and readable (like the old SGI look):
 * menubar isn't used after 12/19 builds, but is needed for NS6;
 * the rest are for post-12/19
 */
menubar, menubutton, menulist, menu, menuitem {
  font-family: helvetica !important;
  font-weight: normal !important;
  font-size: 3mm !important;
}

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                      http://www.pmoylan dot org

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:58:41 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions?

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  I use the mediaconnectivity extension, unfortunately there are now 
>> two versions of it - one that works with Firefox up to 3.01Alpha and 
>> the other that need to be used with version 3 (non-alpha) and above.
>>
>>  I run both version 2.0.0.19 and 3.06 of firefox and each time I 
>> update one to the correct version of Mediaconnectivity, the other 
>> complains that it is not compatible. This is not a plugin, rather an 
>> add-on or extension. Does anyone know where there is a setting to 
>> tell FF where to look for these ?
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
>===
>>
>
> I think this might work.  Remember this statement in CONFIG.SYS?
> SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\PROGRAMS\MOZ_PLUG
> I think you can use a feature of RUN! that is normally not used:
> FIREFOX!LE.EXE
>   L  - set LIBPATHSTRICT (use option 'U' to turn it off)
>   E  - modify environment using file 'exename!.ENV' (e.g. xyz!.env)
> FIREFOX!.ENV
>   SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=<somewhere else>
>
Hi Chuck,

I tried that already by putting it in a cmd file before calling firefox, 
but as I say, this is not a plugin - it's an extension/add-on, hence it 
made not difference.

It looks as if the settings on version number where mediaconnectivity 
plugin values are set are shown under about:config - the question is 
where is this looking to get it's data - it appears to be looking at the 
same place no matter which version of FF I am using - hence the values 
carry over from one version to the other. I guess it must be a file in 
some location off MozillaHome.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:16:19 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>  I use the mediaconnectivity extension, unfortunately there are now 
>>> two versions of it - one that works with Firefox up to 3.01Alpha and 
>>> the other that need to be used with version 3 (non-alpha) and above.
>>>
>>>  I run both version 2.0.0.19 and 3.06 of firefox and each time I 
>>> update one to the correct version of Mediaconnectivity, the other 
>>> complains that it is not compatible. This is not a plugin, rather an 
>>> add-on or extension. Does anyone know where there is a setting to 
>>> tell FF where to look for these ?
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
>>>
>>
>> I think this might work.  Remember this statement in CONFIG.SYS?
>> SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\PROGRAMS\MOZ_PLUG
>> I think you can use a feature of RUN! that is normally not used:
>> FIREFOX!LE.EXE
>>   L  - set LIBPATHSTRICT (use option 'U' to turn it off)
>>   E  - modify environment using file 'exename!.ENV' (e.g. xyz!.env)
>> FIREFOX!.ENV
>>   SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=<somewhere else>
>>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I tried that already by putting it in a cmd file before calling 
> firefox, but as I say, this is not a plugin - it's an 
> extension/add-on, hence it made not difference.
>
> It looks as if the settings on version number where mediaconnectivity 
> plugin values are set are shown under about:config - the question is 
> where is this looking to get it's data - it appears to be looking at 
> the same place no matter which version of FF I am using - hence the 
> values carry over from one version to the other. I guess it must be a 
> file in some location off MozillaHome.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
===
>
Yes ! that was it - I copied the Mozilla "Default" folder, called it 
"Default3" and then took the "e" option you suggested Chuck and added a 
firefox!.env file with the new location in it:
SET MOZILLA_HOME=I:\HOME\DEFAULT3

No the two different version of Firefox can use different versions of 
the extensions.

Thanks

Cheers/2
Ed
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:18:56 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  I use the mediaconnectivity extension, unfortunately there are now 
>>>> two versions of it - one that works with Firefox up to 3.01Alpha 
>>>> and the other that need to be used with version 3 (non-alpha) and 
>>>> above.
>>>>
>>>>  I run both version 2.0.0.19 and 3.06 of firefox and each time I 
>>>> update one to the correct version of Mediaconnectivity, the other 
>>>> complains that it is not compatible. This is not a plugin, rather 
>>>> an add-on or extension. Does anyone know where there is a setting 
>>>> to tell FF where to look for these ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>
>>>> Ed.
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
>===
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think this might work.  Remember this statement in CONFIG.SYS?
>>> SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\PROGRAMS\MOZ_PLUG
>>> I think you can use a feature of RUN! that is normally not used:
>>> FIREFOX!LE.EXE
>>>   L  - set LIBPATHSTRICT (use option 'U' to turn it off)
>>>   E  - modify environment using file 'exename!.ENV' (e.g. xyz!.env)
>>> FIREFOX!.ENV
>>>   SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=<somewhere else>
>>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> I tried that already by putting it in a cmd file before calling 
>> firefox, but as I say, this is not a plugin - it's an 
>> extension/add-on, hence it made not difference.
>>
>> It looks as if the settings on version number where mediaconnectivity 
>> plugin values are set are shown under about:config - the question is 
>> where is this looking to get it's data - it appears to be looking at 
>> the same place no matter which version of FF I am using - hence the 
>> values carry over from one version to the other. I guess it must be a 
>> file in some location off MozillaHome.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
>===
>>
> Yes ! that was it - I copied the Mozilla "Default" folder, called it 
> "Default3" and then took the "e" option you suggested Chuck and added 
> a firefox!.env file with the new location in it:
> SET MOZILLA_HOME=I:\HOME\DEFAULT3
>
> No the two different version of Firefox can use different versions of 
> the extensions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheers/2
> Ed
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> http://www./melbpc/  -  The Melbourne OS/2 SIG
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>
That's sounds almost Scottish ! it should have read:

Now the two different versions of Firefox can use different versions of 
the extensions.
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:21:25 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  How to point different versions of FF to different add-on extensions?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> It looks as if the settings on version number where mediaconnectivity 
> plugin values are set are shown under about:config - the question is 
> where is this looking to get it's data - it appears to be looking at 
> the same place no matter which version of FF I am using - hence the 
> values carry over from one version to the other. I guess it must be a 
> file in some location off MozillaHome.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed. 
Hi Ed,

Here the "mediaplayerconnectivity" is only referenced in the following 
files:

2009/02/14 17:58:26 1,771,133     
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\history.dat
2009/02/14 17:52:52 1,040,384     
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\places.sqlite
2008/06/22 21:26:12 683,740       
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\extensions\{84b24861-62f6-364b-eba5-2e5e2061d7e6}\chrome\mediaplayerconnectivity.jar
2009/02/13 18:10:40 130,992       
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\downloads.rdf
2009/02/13 16:58:32 33,792        
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\downloads.sqlite
2009/02/14 17:58:44 18,466        
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\localstore.rdf
2009/02/14 17:55:00 12,101        
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\extensions.rdf
2009/02/14 17:58:44 7,397         
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\prefs.js
2008/06/22 21:22:52 3,814         
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\extensions\{84b24861-62f6-364b-eba5-2e5e2061d7e6}\chrome.manifest
2008/06/23 19:59:02 3,057         
O:\home\default\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\b14b63ej.default\extensions\{84b24861-62f6-364b-eba5-2e5e2061d7e6}\install.rdf

HTH

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:11:17 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:11:05 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:

>
>Many thanks. I've now created a file userChrome.css with the content 
>below. (I'm not sure why all the "not important" tags, but they seem to 
>be recommended.) It's made a significant improvement to the look of Firefox.

Ah, excellent!

I am happy with the look of the Add-on Themes I have selected, so I haven't
had to worry about that level of tinkering.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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