Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1781
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:02:04 AET-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Friday 13 February 2009
 Number  1781
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Subjects for today
 
1   FIrefox/Thunderbird questions : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
2  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
3  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
4   drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
6  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
7  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
8  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
9   [S] Re:  Motherboards : Peter Rehfisch" <gillpete at vic.australis dot com dot au>
10  Re:  [S] Re:  Motherboards : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
11  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
12  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
13  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
14  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
15  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
16  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
17  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
18  Re:  [S] Re:  Motherboards : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
19  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
20  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:55:40 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:   FIrefox/Thunderbird questions

A couple of questions about the Mozilla suite, in case anyone here knows 
the answers.

1. Firefox 3.0.5 looks positively ugly compared with version 2.0.0.4. 
How do I change the fonts? Not the default fonts for web page content, 
but the stuff at the top: menus, bookmarks, tabs, etc. I used to have 
Helvetica, but now it's turned into some ugly-looking serif font. I'm 
guessing that it's doing a substitution for some Microsoft font that I 
don't have, but I don't know which one. I've searched through the 
Windows registry editor that Innotek supplied for OS/2 (regedit2.exe), 
but nothing there looks relevant.

2. Ditto for Thunderbird, now that I think of it. Now that development 
has swung over almost entirely to the assumption that everyone uses HTML 
mail, there doesn't seem to be a way to set the "plain text" behaviour. 
(Maybe it's time to switch back to PMMail, which at least accepted 
dragging from the font palette.)

3. How do I set the default web browser? If I start Firefox from eCenter 
then version 3.0.5 starts, as desired. If instead I click on a link from 
within Thunderbird, I get version 2.0.0.4. I know that the way to set 
the browser used to be to open the Properties of a URL object on the 
desktop, and use "Set Default" ... ahh, wait a minute, I see now that 
that works for http:// links. It's only when I click on an ftp:// link 
that I get Firefox 2.0.0.4.

With the aid of that insight, I created a URL object for an ftp:// 
reference, and tried the "Set Default" inside that. It didn't work, but 
it was worth a try.

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Date:  Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:09:26 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions

Peter Moylan wrote:
> A couple of questions about the Mozilla suite, in case anyone here knows 
> the answers.
> 
> 1. Firefox 3.0.5 looks positively ugly compared with version 2.0.0.4. 
> How do I change the fonts? Not the default fonts for web page content, 
> but the stuff at the top: menus, bookmarks, tabs, etc. I used to have 
> Helvetica, but now it's turned into some ugly-looking serif font. I'm 
> guessing that it's doing a substitution for some Microsoft font that I 
> don't have, but I don't know which one. I've searched through the 
> Windows registry editor that Innotek supplied for OS/2 (regedit2.exe), 
> but nothing there looks relevant.
> 
> 2. Ditto for Thunderbird, now that I think of it. Now that development 
> has swung over almost entirely to the assumption that everyone uses HTML 
> mail, there doesn't seem to be a way to set the "plain text" behaviour. 
> (Maybe it's time to switch back to PMMail, which at least accepted 
> dragging from the font palette.)
> 
> 3. How do I set the default web browser? If I start Firefox from eCenter 
> then version 3.0.5 starts, as desired. If instead I click on a link from 
> within Thunderbird, I get version 2.0.0.4. I know that the way to set 
> the browser used to be to open the Properties of a URL object on the 
> desktop, and use "Set Default" ... ahh, wait a minute, I see now that 
> that works for http:// links. It's only when I click on an ftp:// link 
> that I get Firefox 2.0.0.4.
> 
> With the aid of that insight, I created a URL object for an ftp:// 
> reference, and tried the "Set Default" inside that. It didn't work, but 
> it was worth a try.
> 

I can't answer all of your questions, but this should help with setting 
the default info.

http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/iai1091.exe

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:32:11 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>  Peter Moylan wrote:
> > [...]

> > 3. How do I set the default web browser? If I start Firefox from
> > eCenter then version 3.0.5 starts, as desired. If instead I click
> > on a link from within Thunderbird, I get version 2.0.0.4. I know
> > that the way to set the browser used to be to open the Properties
> > of a URL object on the desktop, and use "Set Default" ... ahh, wait
> > a minute, I see now that that works for http:// links. It's only
> > when I click on an ftp:// link that I get Firefox 2.0.0.4.
>
>  I can't answer all of your questions, but this should help with
>  setting the default info.
>
>  http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/iai1091.exe

Thanks, Chuck. I had thought that I didn't need the integration utility 
because I've always started Thunderbird and Firefox with RUN! - and 
indeed that worked for everything except an ftp:// reference. Now that 
problem is fixed.

For a minute there I even thought I could use the integration utility to 
start up a superior FTP client (NcFtp v2.3.0), but it didn't work. NcFtp 
just starts and immediately exits; I thought it accepted URL syntax as a 
parameter, but I must have misremembered.

By the way, if anyone is looking for a good command-line FTP client, 
NcFtp v2.3.0 is excellent, but all later versions are far inferior. 
Whoever ported the later versions to OS/2 omitted the user-friendly 
interface.

(There seems to be a lot of software, especially open-source software, 
where later versions are inferior to earlier versions. We really need a 
repository where we can store programs as they were before the 
bells-and-whistles crowd ruined them.)

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:41:21 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:   drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

the original OS/2 browser allowed to drag'n'drop a page to a URL object,
so you could have a collection of URL objects items;

is that possible somehow with any current OS/2 browser ?

(I've used to collect my own bookmarks that way, then, generate a links
pages with linkbuilder as in http://sbt dot net dot au/links/, just thinking if
it's possible to restart my linkbuilder...)

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:55:15 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> the original OS/2 browser allowed to drag'n'drop a page to a URL object,
> so you could have a collection of URL objects items;
>
> is that possible somehow with any current OS/2 browser ?

When I try it with Firefox, I can't drag from a page the way we did with 
WebExplorer. On the other hand, dragging from a link (on the page) to 
the desktop does create a URL object.

I suspect that this might be a DragText function rather than a Firefox 
function.

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:58:49 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Hi Voytek,

>the original OS/2 browser allowed to drag'n'drop a page to a URL object,
>so you could have a collection of URL objects items;
>is that possible somehow with any current OS/2 browser ?

Peter Weilbacher's Mozilla product builds allow DnD of URL's to the
desktop.
<http://sourceforge dot net/projects/pmw-warpzilla/>

Not sure about the Official builds.

Cheers
Ian Manners
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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:26:26 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> the original OS/2 browser allowed to drag'n'drop a page to a URL object,
>> so you could have a collection of URL objects items;
>>
>> is that possible somehow with any current OS/2 browser ?
>
> When I try it with Firefox, I can't drag from a page the way we did 
> with WebExplorer. On the other hand, dragging from a link (on the 
> page) to the desktop does create a URL object.
>
> I suspect that this might be a DragText function rather than a Firefox 
> function.
>
Hi Peter, Voytek,

Desktop URL objects *are* also created by the standard Firefox e.g. 
3.0.6 (the current latest release).
Just drag the icon at LH end of the location bar to the Desktop for the 
currently loaded main page, and like the PmW versions, you can drag any 
link on the page to the Desktop also.

I have a similar complaint to yours about the V3.0.x Firefox appearance, 
though my equivalent text is Sans Serif style text - which does come up 
with very black text, but it's so BOLDED, and at a larger point size 
than with V2.0.x - indeed very ugly. I too would like to know how to 
have it revert to former behaviour. This larger font also reduces the 
number of items (with associated text) that one can fit in the Bookmark 
toolbar, if not using unlabelled icons!

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:24:48 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions

Peter Moylan wrote:
> I've searched through the Windows registry editor that Innotek 
> supplied for OS/2 (regedit2.exe), but nothing there looks relevant.
Regedit2.exe, as supplied with OS/2 Warp4, is the IBM Lotus Registry 
Editor - no connection to Innotek, other than keys it currently contains.
> Now that development has swung over almost entirely to the assumption 
> that everyone uses HTML mail, there doesn't seem to be a way to set 
> the "plain text" behaviour.
Are you referring to the Options|Format|Plain Text Only, or to something 
different?

BTW I notice that the Official Firefox 3.0.6 (as announced by PmW on 
Voice News on the 7th), like the PmW versions, now also saves the 
*TP://* as a downloaded objects's Subject EA. :-)

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:37:30 +1100
From:  "Peter Rehfisch" <gillpete at vic.australis dot com dot au>
Subject:   [S] Re:  Motherboards

-----Original message-----
From: Ed Durrant edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu
 
> Are you looking to re-use components from the M2V-TVM or while you say 
> it has overheated are we assuming that processor, memory etc. is not 
> re-usable?
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

Ed,

Our house burned down in the Churchill bushfire. No one hurt at our place, but no time to save things like computers.
So will be rebuilding the computer from scratch.

Peter R
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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:35:37 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  [S] Re:  Motherboards

Peter Rehfisch wrote:
> -----Original message-----
> From: Ed Durrant edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu
>  
>   
>> Are you looking to re-use components from the M2V-TVM or while you say 
>> it has overheated are we assuming that processor, memory etc. is not 
>> re-usable?
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>     
>
> Ed,
>
> Our house burned down in the Churchill bushfire. No one hurt at our place, but no time to save things like computers.
> So will be rebuilding the computer from scratch.
>
> Peter R
Hi Peter,

Saddened to hear of  the terrible loss of your home, but glad no one hurt.

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:57:36 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Voytek,
>
>   
>> the original OS/2 browser allowed to drag'n'drop a page to a URL object,
>> so you could have a collection of URL objects items;
>> is that possible somehow with any current OS/2 browser ?
>>     
>
> Peter Weilbacher's Mozilla product builds allow DnD of URL's to the
> desktop.
> <http://sourceforge dot net/projects/pmw-warpzilla/>
>
> Not sure about the Official builds.
>
>   

Unfortunately there's nothing there except Gecko and SeaMonkey. For 
Firefox you have to go to http://www.mozilla dot org/ports/os2/. I'm not 
sure about Thunderbird - it's listed on that page, but the directory 
holding version 2.0.0.17 appears to have been deleted.

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:13:14 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions

Mike O'Connor wrote:
>  Peter Moylan wrote:
> > I've searched through the Windows registry editor that Innotek
> > supplied for OS/2 (regedit2.exe), but nothing there looks relevant.

>  Regedit2.exe, as supplied with OS/2 Warp4, is the IBM Lotus Registry
>  Editor - no connection to Innotek, other than keys it currently
>  contains.

Sorry, my mistake. I was fooled by the fact that it doesn't seem to 
contain anything except Innotek stuff.

> > Now that development has swung over almost entirely to the
> > assumption that everyone uses HTML mail, there doesn't seem to be a
> > way to set the "plain text" behaviour.

>  Are you referring to the Options|Format|Plain Text Only, or to
>  something different?

No, that's only for composing outgoing mail. (And even then it doesn't 
turn into plain text until you do an Edit/Rewrap operation.) For 
incoming mail, the settings for plain text are on the 
Tools/Options/Display/Formatting page. You get a choice between two 
fonts: "Fixed width font" and "Variable width font". I've never found 
anything in the Thunderbird settings that define what those fonts might 
be. My best guess is that for fixed width it uses the "Monospace" 
setting and for variable width it uses the "Proportional" one, but I'm 
not certain about that; why would they use different terminology in the 
"plain text" section from what is covered in the "Fonts" section, if not 
to make it clear that that there is a distinction? (An undocumented 
distinction, it's true.)

I realise now, however, that my incoming plain text mail does display in 
my preferred font, which I recall getting right by trial and error. The 
uglier mail is probably coming from people whose mail software doesn't 
give them a "plain text" option, or perhaps from people who don't know 
that such an option exists.

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:16:04 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Ian Manners wrote:
>> Hi Voytek, 
>>> the original OS/2 browser allowed to drag'n'drop a page to a URL 
>>> object,
>>> so you could have a collection of URL objects items;
>>> is that possible somehow with any current OS/2 browser ? 
>> Peter Weilbacher's Mozilla product builds allow DnD of URL's to the
>> desktop.
>> <http://sourceforge dot net/projects/pmw-warpzilla/>
>>
>> Not sure about the Official builds.  
> Unfortunately there's nothing there except Gecko and SeaMonkey. For 
> Firefox you have to go to http://www.mozilla dot org/ports/os2/. I'm not 
> sure about Thunderbird - it's listed on that page, but the directory 
> holding version 2.0.0.17 appears to have been deleted.
Hi Peter, Ian, Voytek,

Both Firefox 2.0.0.19 (final Version 2.x) and Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 are 
still available from:

http://puzzle.dl.sourceforge dot net/sourceforge/pmw-warpzilla/PmW-Fx-2.0.0.19.en-US.os2.zip
and
http://transact.dl.sourceforge dot net/sourceforge/pmw-warpzilla/PmW-Tb-2.0.0.19.en-US.os2.zip

(I just rechecked)

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:30:11 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  FIrefox/Thunderbird questions

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>  Are you referring to the Options|Format|Plain Text Only, or to
>>  something different?
> No, that's only for composing outgoing mail. (And even then it doesn't 
> turn into plain text until you do an Edit/Rewrap operation.) For 
> incoming mail, the settings for plain text are on the 
> Tools/Options/Display/Formatting page. You get a choice between two 
> fonts: "Fixed width font" and "Variable width font". I've never found 
> anything in the Thunderbird settings that define what those fonts 
> might be. My best guess is that for fixed width it uses the 
> "Monospace" setting and for variable width it uses the "Proportional" 
> one, but I'm not certain about that; why would they use different 
> terminology in the "plain text" section from what is covered in the 
> "Fonts" section, if not to make it clear that that there is a 
> distinction? (An undocumented distinction, it's true.)
>
> I realise now, however, that my incoming plain text mail does display 
> in my preferred font, which I recall getting right by trial and error. 
> The uglier mail is probably coming from people whose mail software 
> doesn't give them a "plain text" option, or perhaps from people who 
> don't know that such an option exists.
>
Hi Peter,

How do they display when you select View|Message body as|Plain text? 
Unfortunately for messages sent only as HTML, this can result in a blank 
message, so one can't leave that option enabled all the time! :-(

On the Options|Display|Formatting|Fonts(button)| you can enable "Apply 
the default character encoding to all incoming messages", and above that 
you can disable "allow messages to use other fonts", as well as set your 
preferred fonts.

HTH

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:50:12 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Hi Peter,

>Unfortunately there's nothing there except Gecko and SeaMonkey. For 
>Firefox you have to go to http://www.mozilla dot org/ports/os2/. I'm not 
>sure about Thunderbird - it's listed on that page, but the directory 
>holding version 2.0.0.17 appears to have been deleted.

Also at :- <http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/mozilla/>

Cheers
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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:02:24 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Hi Peter, Ian, Voytek,
>
> Both Firefox 2.0.0.19 (final Version 2.x) and Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 are 
> still available from:
>
> http://puzzle.dl.sourceforge dot net/sourceforge/pmw-warpzilla/PmW-Fx-2.0.0.19.en-US.os2.zip 
>
> and
> http://transact.dl.sourceforge dot net/sourceforge/pmw-warpzilla/PmW-Tb-2.0.0.19.en-US.os2.zip 
>
>
> (I just rechecked)
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
I keep multiple versions** of a FF/TB on this system (also multiple 
boot-volumes), and frequently have only selected data/programs volumes 
visible, so don't have a universal FF/TB directory accessible from all 
boot-volumes. I couldn't figure out why my FF on this boot-volume was 
often bombing out - particularly on pages with flash on them, even with 
flashblock /adblock enabled. .

** I use Object Desktop here, so when opening the above zipfiles by 
double clicking, all I see initially in the zip-folder is the nested 
"firefox" directory folder.

I just drag that folder from the open zip-folder to wherever I want and 
then rename it to e.g. "Firefox_2.0.0.19" and then update any program 
objects for the firefox!L.exe I add to it to point to it. I also update 
the program objects' title to reflect the version number,  e.g. "Firefox 
2.0.0.19" for easy recognition, which is OK, but I had omitted to 
replace the space character in the directory name with an underscore - 
and this was what was causing the bombing-out! As soon as I corrected 
that (no spaces in path to executable), everything reverted to correct 
behaviour! :-)  I was previously thinking I had a configuration problem! 
:-[

Regards,
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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:05:00 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>> Unfortunately there's nothing there except Gecko and SeaMonkey. For 
>> Firefox you have to go to http://www.mozilla dot org/ports/os2/. I'm not 
>> sure about Thunderbird - it's listed on that page, but the directory 
>> holding version 2.0.0.17 appears to have been deleted.
>>     
> Also at :- <http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/mozilla/>
>
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
Hi Ian,

Of course! ;-)  Thanks for the community service! :-)

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:18:21 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  [S] Re:  Motherboards

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Peter Rehfisch wrote:
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Ed Durrant edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu
>>  
>>  
>>> Are you looking to re-use components from the M2V-TVM or while you 
>>> say it has overheated are we assuming that processor, memory etc. is 
>>> not re-usable?
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>>     
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> Our house burned down in the Churchill bushfire. No one hurt at our 
>> place, but no time to save things like computers.
>> So will be rebuilding the computer from scratch.
>>
>> Peter R
> Hi Peter,
>
> Saddened to hear of  the terrible loss of your home, but glad no one 
> hurt.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
Hi Peter,

 Also saddened to hear that you have been affected. To think that so 
much distress and damage and loss can be cause by some idiot having fun 
lighting fires (I don't know if the Churchill fire was from an arsonist 
but I believe so many were), and then if they're caught they get let off 
lightly by the courts - it's just not right.

 Will you rebuild ?  I wish you all the best in any case.

Cheers/2

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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:28:29 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:26:26 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:

Hi Peter, Mike Voytek

>I have a similar complaint to yours about the V3.0.x Firefox appearance, 
>though my equivalent text is Sans Serif style text - which does come up 
>with very black text, but it's so BOLDED, and at a larger point size 
>than with V2.0.x - indeed very ugly. I too would like to know how to 
>have it revert to former behaviour. This larger font also reduces the 
>number of items (with associated text) that one can fit in the Bookmark 
>toolbar, if not using unlabelled icons!

Are you perhaps looking for Options/Content/Fonts & Colours ? Only one
font/size setting though.

I use Workplace Sans 14 point, but then my eyes aren't what they used to be
(old Goon Show joke: Oh, really? "Yes, they used to be me ears, mate!")

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:08:05 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  drag and drop url objects like web..? linkbuilder

John Angelico wrote:
>  On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:26:26 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>  Hi Peter, Mike Voytek
>
> > I have a similar complaint to yours about the V3.0.x Firefox
> > appearance, though my equivalent text is Sans Serif style text -
> > which does come up with very black text, but it's so BOLDED, and at
> > a larger point size than with V2.0.x - indeed very ugly. I too
> > would like to know how to have it revert to former behaviour. This
> > larger font also reduces the number of items (with associated text)
> > that one can fit in the Bookmark toolbar, if not using unlabelled
> > icons!
>
>  Are you perhaps looking for Options/Content/Fonts & Colours ? Only
>  one font/size setting though.
>
>  I use Workplace Sans 14 point, but then my eyes aren't what they used
>  to be.

No luck there, I'm afraid. That option only affects the page being 
displayed. (And only if the author hasn't overridden it, which is 
becoming rarer. Web authors have absolutely no understanding that one 
day their eyes too will reach the point where they can't read their own 
web pages ... at which point they might just discover that the whole 
point of HTML is that the presentation details are supposed to be 
controlled from the reader's end. But I digress.) My default font is 
also a sans serif font, but my Firefox menus and so on have serifs.

By coincidence, your posting answered one of my questions about 
Thunderbird. It appeared to me in a different font size from most other 
people's plain text. On checking the source, I see that you use the 
utf-8 character encoding. From Thunderbird's point of view, that means 
it's not English; it goes into the "Other languages" category.

I don't know why Firefox and Thunderbird both insist on basing their 
fonts on language rather than on character set. If they did it in terms 
of MIME charsets, we'd finally be able to figure out what they mean.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                      http://www.pmoylan dot org

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