Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1716
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:01:21 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 02 October 2008
 Number  1716
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Subjects for today
 
1   Curious : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  Curious : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
3  Re:  Curious : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
4   Recommendations for remote control program? : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
5  Re:  Curious : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
6  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program? : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
7  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program? : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
8  Re:  Lucide : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
9  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program? : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
10  Re:  Lucide : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
11  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program? : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
12  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:37:31 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   Curious

Curious to know why os2site dot com has become so popular
in the past two years. MSN Search and a  lot of other search
engines are banned due to ignoring robots.txt, so I've done
my best to minimise the traffic (apart from yahoo and google).
Also banned large chunks of China and USA for various
reasons (mainly hosting company IP ranges).

<http://www.os2site.com/pages/stats/report.html>

I clamped down on the mirroring a few years back, and
the logs simply show a big increase in browsing and
picking files here and there, no country in particular.

I also have copies/mirrors of various FTP sites which are not
publically available, ie, 

ftp.pc.ibm dot com
ftp.scitechsoft dot com
ftp.software.ibm dot com
hobbes (proper)etc.
leo
walnut

 If I ever end up with a better connection and cheaper
data I'll put those in the public section as well.

Also a bit miffed that I didnt beat last years high score in
the stats yesterday, that would have made it  3/4 of the
year, now its one day out :-(

Suggestions are always welcome re site improvements, though
I still havent had the time to figure out how to display a directory
listing in "date sorted" order in C, everytime I start I get
sidetracked. Should see if the filepage code compiles under
GCC, currently still using Watcom 11.0C.

People ask me why I dont use one of the freely available PHP
and MySQL database file database stuff for the web.  The good
thing about using filepage.exe and a couple of rexx scripts with
non TCP/IP Cron, its all very secure :-)

Though I do use Perl, PHP, Python, and MySQL on the server,
none of if is for web accessible stuff but for behind the scene
stuff.

Still, not bad for a part time hobby.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:10:16 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Curious

Ian Manners wrote:
> Curious to know why os2site dot com has become so popular
> in the past two years. MSN Search and a  lot of other search
> engines are banned due to ignoring robots.txt, so I've done
> my best to minimise the traffic (apart from yahoo and google).
> Also banned large chunks of China and USA for various
> reasons (mainly hosting company IP ranges).
>
> <http://www.os2site.com/pages/stats/report.html>
>
> I clamped down on the mirroring a few years back, and
> the logs simply show a big increase in browsing and
> picking files here and there, no country in particular.
>
> I also have copies/mirrors of various FTP sites which are not
> publically available, ie, 
>
> ftp.pc.ibm dot com
> ftp.scitechsoft dot com
> ftp.software.ibm dot com
> hobbes (proper)etc.
> leo
> walnut
>
>  If I ever end up with a better connection and cheaper
> data I'll put those in the public section as well.
>
> Also a bit miffed that I didnt beat last years high score in
> the stats yesterday, that would have made it  3/4 of the
> year, now its one day out :-(
>
> Suggestions are always welcome re site improvements, though
> I still havent had the time to figure out how to display a directory
> listing in "date sorted" order in C, everytime I start I get
> sidetracked. Should see if the filepage code compiles under
> GCC, currently still using Watcom 11.0C.
>
> People ask me why I dont use one of the freely available PHP
> and MySQL database file database stuff for the web.  The good
> thing about using filepage.exe and a couple of rexx scripts with
> non TCP/IP Cron, its all very secure :-)
>
> Though I do use Perl, PHP, Python, and MySQL on the server,
> none of if is for web accessible stuff but for behind the scene
> stuff.
>
> Still, not bad for a part time hobby.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>   
Hi Ian,

And it's all very much appreciated by us all! :-)

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:25:42 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Curious

On 02/10/08 01:37, Ian Manners wrote:

>  MSN Search and a  lot of other search engines are banned due to
>  ignoring robots.txt,

I've been relying on my robots.txt to keep msnbot out, and I was under 
the impression that this was working. Now I'm going to have to fire up 
Explorer on my Windows laptop to see whether my pages are there. If they 
are, it might be worth putting in some sort of web proxy that will serve 
up some sort of "All Microsoft software is a pile of shit" page to 
unauthorised clients.

Time to turn web logging on, anyway. I haven't bothered with that in the 
past. My experience when I look at the on-screen status window of web/2 
is that most hits are from Google search engines.

Not long ago, some people were getting letters from M$ asking them to 
remove the msnbot ban from their robots.txt. (I didn't get one; maybe 
they didn't consider my site to be worth indexing.) If they were 
ignoring robots.txt, why bother sending the letters?

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                      http://www.pmoylan dot org

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:36:20 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:   Recommendations for remote control program?

As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my 
computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a good 
way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe to control 
my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want to do via FTP, 
but there will surely be times when I want to get in and do other things.

I've used Desktop on Call in the past, and that's what I'll do if nobody 
has a better recommendation. (And I see that Hobbes has a copy; in fact 
it seems to be a copy of version 5, which I think is the one developed 
by IBM Japan and then never released once IBM declared OS/2 to be dead. 
My recollection of that is that the Windows version tended to crash, but 
that the OS/2 version was good except for some keyboard problems with 
something like the Ctrl key.) I have vague memories, however, that some 
people were recommending something different.

This is only for controlling OS/2 from OS/2. Support for other operating 
systems is not really needed.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                      http://www.pmoylan dot org

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:44:50 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Curious

Hi Peter,

>Not long ago, some people were getting letters from M$ asking them to 
>remove the msnbot ban from their robots.txt. (I didn't get one; maybe 
>they didn't consider my site to be worth indexing.) If they were 
>ignoring robots.txt, why bother sending the letters?

MSBot's pages state they obey robots.txt directives, including
statements such as :-

Disallow: /wpi/
Allow: /sitemap.xml$
Allow: /*.html$
Allow: /*.htm$
Allow: /*.txt$
Allow: /*.link$
Disallow: /*.*$

but infact MSBot only seems to act on 

Disallow: /

so its either all or none.
There are also MS Test Bot's that read the robots.txt, decide that

User-agent: *

doesnt apply to them, so I simply banned the entire 65.55.0.0
range. Makes my life a lot easier.

Part of the problem with bots and os2site is that bots download *.wpi
and other files as they dont understand what *.wpi is, even though I
have done as there pages have asked and notified them. Got to give
Google and Yahoo there due, they firmly believe, and act, on the principle
of. "It's your website, your rules, we obey".

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:22:01 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program?

Hi Peter,

Peter Moylan wrote:
> As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my 
> computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a good 
> way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe to control 
> my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want to do via FTP, 
> but there will surely be times when I want to get in and do other things.
> 
> I've used Desktop on Call in the past, and that's what I'll do if nobody 
> has a better recommendation. (And I see that Hobbes has a copy; in fact 
> it seems to be a copy of version 5, which I think is the one developed 
> by IBM Japan and then never released once IBM declared OS/2 to be dead. 
> My recollection of that is that the Windows version tended to crash, but 
> that the OS/2 version was good except for some keyboard problems with 
> something like the Ctrl key.) I have vague memories, however, that some 
> people were recommending something different.
> 
> This is only for controlling OS/2 from OS/2. Support for other operating 
> systems is not really needed.

http://www.eros2.info/pmvnc_en.shtml

PM VNC server - works nicely for me :)

Cheers,

Paul.

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:54:55 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program?

Hi Peter,

>As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my 
>computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a good 
>way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe to control 
>my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want to do via FTP, 
>but there will surely be times when I want to get in and do other things..

PM VNC Server/Viewer.

pmvnc-1.02-bin.zip = server
pmvnc103_ow.zip = client

<http://www.os2site.com/sw/apps/remote/index.html>

>I've used Desktop on Call in the past, and that's what I'll do if nobody 
>has a better recommendation. (And I see that Hobbes has a copy; in fact 
>it seems to be a copy of version 5, which I think is the one developed 
>by IBM Japan and then never released once IBM declared OS/2 to be dead. 
>My recollection of that is that the Windows version tended to crash, but 
>that the OS/2 version was good except for some keyboard problems with 
>something like the Ctrl key.) I have vague memories, however, that some 
>people were recommending something different.

>This is only for controlling OS/2 from OS/2. Support for other operating 
>systems is not really needed.

Its there anyway, makes my life easy in managing my wifes Mac.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:33:59 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Lucide

Alan Duval wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I find that if I choose the "Fit in window" size in Lucide, that I can 
> view the whole page. If I choose "Actual size" the printing in the 
> lower half of the page is absent. At 75% some lower lines of a page 
> don't show on the screen. Only problem is that it's hard to read the 
> print when I choose "Fit in window". I don't have that problem with 
> Acrobat 5.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
 
>
> 

>
Hi Alan,
 Those examples you sent me all work in both Actual size and "fit in 
window" mode - however in "actual" mode the bottom part of the page when 
scrolling down takes about half a second to appear it doesn't "flow". 
Perhaps for some reason on your system it simply never manages to get 
that lower part out. Is your system fairly powerful ?
Cheers/2
Ed.
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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:49:30 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program?

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:36:20 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:

>As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my 
>computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a good 
>way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe to control 
>my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want to do via FTP, 
>but there will surely be times when I want to get in and do other things.

Umm, after watching #2 son Chris do things here with simple NET ADMIN, may
I ask how much you expect to want to do?

If it's not much, could you get by with nothing more special than NET ADMIN
(assuming you will be running Netbios)?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:26:21 +1100
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Lucide

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Alan Duval wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I find that if I choose the "Fit in window" size in Lucide, that I 
>> can view the whole page. If I choose "Actual size" the printing in 
>> the lower half of the page is absent. At 75% some lower lines of a 
>> page don't show on the screen. Only problem is that it's hard to read 
>> the print when I choose "Fit in window". I don't have that problem 
>> with Acrobat 5.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
> Hi Alan,
> Those examples you sent me all work in both Actual size and "fit in 
> window" mode - however in "actual" mode the bottom part of the page 
> when scrolling down takes about half a second to appear it doesn't 
> "flow". Perhaps for some reason on your system it simply never manages 
> to get that lower part out. Is your system fairly powerful ?
Yes! It has an M2V-TVM motherboard with an AMD 64 4800 dual core 
processor and 4GB memory.

Regards,

Alan
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Date:  Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:30:55 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program?

On 02/10/08 12:54, Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
>   
>> As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my 
>> computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a good 
>> way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe to control 
>> my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want to do via FTP, 
>> but there will surely be times when I want to get in and do other things.
>>     
>
> PM VNC Server/Viewer.
>
> pmvnc-1.02-bin.zip = server
> pmvnc103_ow.zip = client
>
> <http://www.os2site.com/sw/apps/remote/index.html>
>   

Thanks, Ian and Paul. Seems to be slightly slower than DTOC, but perhaps 
that's just my memory. It did work right out of the box.

The colours are terrible, sometimes to the extent that things on the 
screen are unreadable, but I'm used to that from things like Acrobat and 
Java applications ... in fact, everything that was written with SNAP 
Graphics in mind. I'm still not sure what to do about that problem. I 
have a Matrox Millennium video card for which the SNAP driver crashes 
the OS, so I've always had to use native Matrox video drivers. One of 
these days, I guess, I'll have to switch video cards.

Or maybe just buy a new box. I've heard that it's possible to buy a 
decent PC for about $200-$300 if you don't buy a complete system, i.e. 
if you use your old monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers. I haven't yet 
checked out what's available that is eCS-compatible; would be interested 
to hear if other people know of such deals with eCS-compatible hardware.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                      http://www.pmoylan dot org

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Date:  Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:03:35 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Recommendations for remote control program?

<quote who="Peter Moylan">

> Or maybe just buy a new box. I've heard that it's possible to buy a
> decent PC for about $200-$300 if you don't buy a complete system, i.e. if

I just paid $110 for s/h Dell P4 2.8, 512MB, 80GB, DVD/CDRW and including
15" LCD screen,

actually, all I wanted was a 'spare' LCD screen, but, I thought, for the
price, might as well

-- 
Voytek

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