Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1681
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:01:11 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Sunday 27 July 2008
 Number  1681
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Subjects for today
 
1   Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
3   Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
4  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
5  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
6  Re:  Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
7  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
8  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
9  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
10  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>

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Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:47:30 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part?

Hi All,

Forwarded with permission of Alan.

You can test your own ISP's DNS servers by going to :-
(for those interested)

<https://www.dns-oarc dot net/oarc/services/dnsentropy>

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:28:25 -0400
>From: Alan Clegg - Alan_Clegg at isc org
>To: DNS BIND <bind-users at isc dot org>
>Subject: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part?
>

BIND-USERS,
One issue about this exploit that I think a lot of people may be
overlooking is the fact that it does not directly impact the OWNER of
the DNS records in question, but the CONSUMERS of that data.

As the owner of "my-cheap-rail-tickets-online dot com", you can patch
everything you own, insure that your firewalls are perfect, and hire
five extra DNS admins, but it's not going to help you keep your clients
healthy and happy.

Your clients are the mom-n-pop users -- the folks at the end of the
ISP's feeding chain.  The people that don't the difference between the
US state code for Tennessee and the country code for Tunisia.  The folks
using "Billy Bob's Bait-and-Tackle (and Internet Stuff)" as a provider.

Your business depends on Billy Bob getting his recursive servers fixed
so that your customers can still get to your website (or the websites of
your co-located customers, etc.)

Does that scare anyone?  It scares me.. a lot.

How do we get out and inform Billy Bob that something that has been
working just fine for years is suddenly not quite so perfect and that
his customers might be affected.

Additionally, Billy Bob's customers are going to be affected in ways
that don't directly affect his operations, so it's hard to get him to
understand why he needs to do anything.  His customers will still be
sending him the check every month even if their login information for
"my-cheap-rail-tickets" was siphoned off to someone in a foreign land.

By being on this list, you have proven that you actually are interested
in the DNS infrastructure.  If you look around, you won't see Billy Bob
here, and yet, he affects YOUR customers, and by that, your profit
margin (or reputation).

What can we as the bind-users community do about Billy Bob?

Have you contacted your local ISPs (or tested their servers since they
well may be open recursors?)  Have you pounded the pavement and talked
to folks at your local users groups and tech gatherings about the problem?

I'm willing for anyone to use my slides (http://alan.clegg dot com/800113)
as the basis for spreading the word.  Make presentations.  Tell your
friends.  Tell your colleagues.  TELL YOUR COMPETITION.

I'm planning to have a video of me giving the presentation on-line soon
so that the nuances of the presentation are more clear, but if you have
any questions regarding it before then, please send me mail (off-list).

The storm is coming.. have you done your part?

AlanC

===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:10:30 -0600
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part?

I use opendns (http://www.opendns dot com/) as the dns server for my local 
router because I don't want users (mostly my wife and nephews and 
nieces) messing around in places they do not belong.  Any comments 
appreciated.

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
1449 State Highway 14 N
Sandia Park, NM 87047
505-286-3191
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/
The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they 
that dwell therein. Psalm 24:1

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Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:58:00 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:   Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

Hi,

  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are 
using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera can 
connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the (SDHC) 
card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow Fotoget/2 
or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly accessible from 
Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same 
issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card.

  I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera rejects 
it as soon as I put it in the camera.

  Any ideas ??

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:27:53 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

Hi Ed,

Ed Durrant wrote:
>  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are 
> using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera can 
> connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the (SDHC) 
> card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow Fotoget/2 
> or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly accessible from 
> Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same 
> issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card.
> 
>  I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera rejects 
> it as soon as I put it in the camera.
> 
>  Any ideas ??

Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should be 
able to download them straight to your hard drive.

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:55:54 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are 
>> using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera 
>> can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the 
>> (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow 
>> Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly 
>> accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 
>> driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card.
>>
>>  I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera 
>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera.
>>
>>  Any ideas ??
>
> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should be 
> able to download them straight to your hard drive.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
 
>
> 

>
Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't remember 
what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my "point and 
shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have installed - I'll try 
Cameradie - thanks.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:40:31 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part?

Hi Chuck,

>I use opendns (http://www.opendns dot com/) as the dns server for my local 
>router because I don't want users (mostly my wife and nephews and 
>nieces) messing around in places they do not belong.  Any comments 
>appreciated.

OpenDNS is good.
I have by own DNS servers, I dont use any upstream forwarders just
straight to the root servers.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:40:09 -0400
From:  madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are 
>>> using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera 
>>> can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the 
>>> (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow 
>>> Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly 
>>> accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 
>>> driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card.
>>>
>>>  I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera 
>>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera.
>>>
>>>  Any ideas ??
>>
>> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should be 
>> able to download them straight to your hard drive.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Paul.
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
> Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't remember 
> what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my "point and 
> shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have installed - I'll try 
> Cameradie - thanks.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

I have a Nikon D40X.  I have had no problems connecting to it or using a 
4GB SDHC card in a USB card reader, but I use Netdrive FAT32 plugin.  In 
both cases it is just a new drive letter that I can access via FileStar/2 
or PMView.

Mark
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:34:05 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

madodel wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they 
>>>> are using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The 
>>>> camera can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even 
>>>> taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still 
>>>> does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It 
>>>> is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the 
>>>> OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 
>>>> 8 GB card.
>>>>
>>>>  I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera 
>>>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera.
>>>>
>>>>  Any ideas ??
>>>
>>> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should 
>>> be able to download them straight to your hard drive.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Paul.
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>> Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't 
>> remember what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my 
>> "point and shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have installed 
>> - I'll try Cameradie - thanks.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>
> I have a Nikon D40X.  I have had no problems connecting to it or using 
> a 4GB SDHC card in a USB card reader, but I use Netdrive FAT32 
> plugin.  In both cases it is just a new drive letter that I can access 
> via FileStar/2 or PMView.
>
> Mark

Thanks Mark, it would seem therefore that the Netdrive FAT32 support is 
different to the straight FAT32 support as that has issues with this 
manufacturers format (I expect the D40X uses the same FAT32 structure as 
the D40).

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:04:29 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

Ed Durrant wrote:
> madodel wrote:
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>>  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they 
>>>>> are using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The 
>>>>> camera can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even 
>>>>> taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still 
>>>>> does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It 
>>>>> is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the 
>>>>> OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 
>>>>> 8 GB card.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera 
>>>>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Any ideas ??
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should 
>>>> be able to download them straight to your hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>
>>>>
>>> Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't 
>>> remember what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my 
>>> "point and shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have 
>>> installed - I'll try Cameradie - thanks.
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>
>> I have a Nikon D40X.  I have had no problems connecting to it or 
>> using a 4GB SDHC card in a USB card reader, but I use Netdrive FAT32 
>> plugin.  In both cases it is just a new drive letter that I can 
>> access via FileStar/2 or PMView.
>>
>> Mark
>
> Thanks Mark, it would seem therefore that the Netdrive FAT32 support 
> is different to the straight FAT32 support as that has issues with 
> this manufacturers format (I expect the D40X uses the same FAT32 
> structure as the D40).
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
I checked and I only appear to have VFAT plugins for NDFS, so I decided 
to try Cameradie first, and once I switched the camera USB interface to 
PTP from MSD, it worked fine !

Thanks for the suggestions.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:50:01 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
Subject:  Re:  Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS

Ed Durrant ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
>  Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are 
> using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera 
> can connect in  ...  or PSP mode via USB
You do mean PTP, don't you?

> and even taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader 
> still does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. 
> It is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the 
> OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 
> GB card.
>
If PTP, why bother with MSD?

PTP is absolutely safe and easy to handle. OTOH, you have to set your 
cam explisitely to PTP as eCS can't cope with auto (AUTO switch 
MSD-PTP). It's safe as the computer can't fiddle nor mess up  your data 
on the memory card.

I'm using a 4 memory card, which is plenty of enough.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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