Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1676
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:01:33 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 19 July 2008
 Number  1676
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
3  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
4  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5   2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
8  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
9  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
10  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
11  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
12  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Inkscape : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
14   Xara Xtreme : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:19:58 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ?

<quote who="madodel">
> Voytek Eymont wrote:

> There are replacement install diskette images at
> http://www.warpdoctor dot org/downloads.html for Warp 3 Red and Blue which fix
>  the >4GB problem.  I would guess these should work with warp Connect as
> well.

Mark,

many thanks!

I'm having some probs, unimaging floppy fails at 99%, BUT, the 99% disk
more or less worked, it came up with 'square' logo, not, the 'wave' warp
3c logo, BUT, I've partitioned OK, and, install started OK, and, no longer
have corrupted HD size values; good progress

install eventually stopped, either due to 99% or due to warp/warp connect
different files expected, I'll continue tomorrow

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:58:01 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ?

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> I need to install Warp 3 on an IDE drive, I have 20GB drive, but, having
> trouble FDISKing it correctly, after FDISK and reboot, the partition table
> is corrupted, unable to make it bootable/startable,
>
> and, I'm having trouble remembering how to do it....
>
> anyone has better memory ?
>
>
>
>   
You should be OK up to 32GB if I remember correctly.

Did you set the partition active in FDISK?

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:10:12 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> I need to install Warp 3 on an IDE drive, I have 20GB drive, but, having
>> trouble FDISKing it correctly, after FDISK and reboot, the partition 
>> table
>> is corrupted, unable to make it bootable/startable,
>>
>> and, I'm having trouble remembering how to do it....
>>
>> anyone has better memory ?
>>
>>
>>
>>   
> You should be OK up to 32GB if I remember correctly.
>
> Did you set the partition active in FDISK?
>
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
> -
Sorry after reading the other e-mails I realised Warp 3 was limited to 
4GB partitions, however I think you are past that stage now. The fact 
that your floppy disk builds only complete to 99 percent sounds a little 
strange - are you using new floppy disks ? (they're hard to find these 
days!). Perhaps it worth doing a full (i.e. not quick) format of the 
floppy before you load the image to it so any faulty tracks are locked out ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:04:09 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ?

<quote who="madodel">
> Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
> There are replacement install diskette images at
> http://www.warpdoctor dot org/downloads.html for Warp 3 Red and Blue which fix
>  the >4GB problem.  I would guess these should work with warp Connect as
> well.

Mark, thanks!!!

necessity being whatever it is, after failing with downloaded disks, I've
deleted unneeded Future Domain SCSI drivers, and, copied the 5 HD support
drivers from the warpdoctor download to newly generated WarpC floppy, and,
managed to install the system

I think... I now need to replace same files on the installed system, FDISK
output seems confused, I guess install copied stuff from CD not floppy,
anhow, I'm significantly further ahead, thanks again

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Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:09:01 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:   2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames?

I've tried to hook my old (ex Thinkpad) HD to a PC, using 2.5/3.5 IDE
converter;

when I powered up, the ribbon cable literally caught fire, burning one of
the centre wires....

did I hook it wrongly... ? is it possible to have a dead short... with
2.5/3.5 converter ?

perplexed...

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:31:21 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ?

<quote who="Ed Durrant">
> Voytek Eymont wrote:

> You should be OK up to 32GB if I remember correctly.
>
>
> Did you set the partition active in FDISK?

that's exactly (was) the issue, FDISK wouldn't fdisk;

anyhow, with files from updated Warp3 floppy I've managed to make updated
WarpConnect floppy, so far, so good

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:34:13 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warp Connect IDE hard drive size ?

<quote who="Ed Durrant">
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> Voytek Eymont wrote:

> Sorry after reading the other e-mails I realised Warp 3 was limited to
> 4GB partitions, however I think you are past that stage now.

yes

> The fact
> that your floppy disk builds only complete to 99 percent sounds a little
> strange - are you using new floppy disks ? (they're hard to find these
> days!). Perhaps it worth doing a full (i.e. not quick) format of the
> floppy before you load the image to it so any faulty tracks are locked
> out ?

I was using .bat on windoze, now, I've tried .cmd on Warp, seems I'm
getting past 99%

anyhow, I've go a booting/working barnd new WarpC, so far, so good, thanks
for all the suggestions

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:13:14 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames?

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> I've tried to hook my old (ex Thinkpad) HD to a PC, using 2.5/3.5 IDE
> converter;
>
> when I powered up, the ribbon cable literally caught fire, burning one of
> the centre wires....
>
> did I hook it wrongly... ? is it possible to have a dead short... with
> 2.5/3.5 converter ?
>
> perplexed...
>
>
>   
well the 2.5 drives take their power down the ribbon cable, so if either 
the cable or the drive has a short, you could get this problem. Might be 
worth checking that the IBM drive is using a standard 2.5 pinout as well.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:17:29 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames?

<quote who="Ed Durrant">
> Voytek Eymont wrote:

> well the 2.5 drives take their power down the ribbon cable, so if either
> the cable or the drive has a short, you could get this problem. Might be
> worth checking that the IBM drive is using a standard 2.5 pinout as well.

doesn't the power come from power adapter plugged into 2.5/3.5 gizmo ?

I have used the HD in the past, in fact, there was a period of time when I
had that drive plugged 'permanently' in a desktop

in fact, I was trying two TP HD:
160MB from TP750? (with WarpConnect);
8GB from TP770, W4.x

both if them I have used and booted in desktop in the past.

strange...

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:48:58 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames?

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> <quote who="Ed Durrant">
>   
>> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>> well the 2.5 drives take their power down the ribbon cable, so if either
>> the cable or the drive has a short, you could get this problem. Might be
>> worth checking that the IBM drive is using a standard 2.5 pinout as well.
>>     
>
>
> doesn't the power come from power adapter plugged into 2.5/3.5 gizmo ?
>
> I have used the HD in the past, in fact, there was a period of time when I
> had that drive plugged 'permanently' in a desktop
>
> in fact, I was trying two TP HD:
> 160MB from TP750? (with WarpConnect);
> 8GB from TP770, W4.x
>
> both if them I have used and booted in desktop in the past.
>
> strange...
>
>   
Unless I am very mistaken, 2.5 inch drives do not have a separate power 
connector.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:56:53 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames?

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> <quote who="Ed Durrant">
>>  
>>> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>     
>>
>>  
>>> well the 2.5 drives take their power down the ribbon cable, so if 
>>> either
>>> the cable or the drive has a short, you could get this problem. 
>>> Might be
>>> worth checking that the IBM drive is using a standard 2.5 pinout as 
>>> well.
>>>     
>>
>>
>> doesn't the power come from power adapter plugged into 2.5/3.5 gizmo ?
>>
>> I have used the HD in the past, in fact, there was a period of time 
>> when I
>> had that drive plugged 'permanently' in a desktop
>>
>> in fact, I was trying two TP HD:
>> 160MB from TP750? (with WarpConnect);
>> 8GB from TP770, W4.x
>>
>> both if them I have used and booted in desktop in the past.
>>
>> strange...
>>
>>   
> Unless I am very mistaken, 2.5 inch drives do not have a separate 
> power connector.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
To expand - the power has to come down the data cable - it is indeed fed 
into the data cable via the adapter cable, however if I understood the 
original post it is the ribbon cable that melted ?

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:23:21 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  2.5/3.5 HD converter up in flames?

<quote who="Ed Durrant">

> To expand - the power has to come down the data cable - it is indeed fed
> into the data cable via the adapter cable, however if I understood the
> original post it is the ribbon cable that melted ?

Ed,

ribbon plugs into an adapter, also, power cable plug into the adapter;

the power cables do not seem to connect to the ribbon side
on the hard drive side;
red power connects to 3 pins, black to 1 pin adjacent immediately to it;

it may connect to other pins on disk side, not thoroughly tested yet

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:30:06 +1100
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Inkscape

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Alan Duval wrote:
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone porting Inkscape to eCS?  We could do with a good 
>>>>>> vector drawing application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan Duval
>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is this an open source program ? Is there a Windows version of it 
>>>>> and will that work via ODIN ?
>>>> Yes! it's open source. It's a well known Linux program and is very 
>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>> Hi Alan - my question was - are there windows Binaries for it ? You 
>>> may be able to sponsor someone to compile the source code for OS/2 / 
>>> eComStation via the Netlabs sponsorship program, however in the 
>>> interim a simpler and quicker option may be to try the Windows 
>>> version (if there is one) under ODIN.
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> A windows.exe is available so I guess the binaries would be 
>> available. I don't know how to go about sponsoring someone to compile 
>> the source code for OS/2 but I'll investigate. At present I just 
>> replace my removable drive with one that has Linux installed and use 
>> Inkscape that way. Knoppix Live is also useful as it has a phenomenal 
>> number of programs.
>> So far I haven't had much luck with ODIN. Can't seem to get it to 
>> recognize anything. It seems that development of it has ceased.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan
> I think our e-mails crossed - as you will see I have already installed 
> Inkscape under ODIN under eCS - hopefully just need to source the 
> missing Windows DLLs.
Hi Ed,

Thanks for trying. The other vector drawing program which is very good 
is  XARA EXTREME.  I think this was originally a windows program and was 
then open sourced and is available for Linux.

Regards,

Alan
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Date:  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:56:18 +1100
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Xara Xtreme

Hi,

I've just found the URL for Xara Xtreme.

<http://www.xaraxtreme dot org>

Regards,

Alan Duval
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