Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1641
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:01:48 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 12 April 2008
 Number  1641
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Subjects for today
 
1   Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation) : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
2  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation) : madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
3   Burning DVDs - problems : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : The Barrows <thebarrows at iinet dot net dot au>
5  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
6  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
7  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
8   Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 was Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
9  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 was Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
10  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 was Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
11  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
12  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
13  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
14  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation) : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
15  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation) : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
16  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation) : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
17  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation) : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:57:59 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:   Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation)

  Over the years we have had some virtualisation engines on OS/2, most 
noteworthy in my opinion were VirtualPC/2 and SVista unfortunately both 
of these stopped development when the companies producing them were 
bought by larger companies and OS/2 host (if not client) support stopped.

  Well after a pause we now have a new possibility in Virtualbox/2 (Paul 
Smedley having recently built the latest  binaries from the open source 
code - thanks again Paul), while not fully bug free, this offering has 
moved on I believe from being only an Alpha  version to a very usable 
Beta version - well worth trying out. Installation is very simple, as 
long as you have the latest LIBC libraries installed, which most of us 
have, it's just an addition of one driver into config.sys and unziping 
the rest of the package into a convenient directory, then you can start 
the executable (GUI or "header less" - read command line version). 
Documentation from the website (if in some places obviously a 
translation) is very good and guides you well through creating and 
configuring your virtual "guests".

  I have installed Windows XP SP2 into Virtualbox with no problems and  
am able to run all the programs I need, including those  connecting to 
the internet and also onwards through a proprietary VPN into my 
companies network.
There are still some bugs -
    sound doesn't work as yet, Virtualbox can tell Windows that it has 
an AC97 or sound blaster card but it doesn't connect to the host systems 
sound card
    as yet - this is a limitation in all versions I believe, not just 
the OS/2 version,
    I am unable to assign the physical DVD-Rom drive to the environment 
but ISO files are fine (that could just be my system however),
    I don't think the shared clipboard between the virtual WinXP and 
host eComstation is working yet but the other guest extensions (that you 
need to
   download from the virtualbox dot org website) such as video, keyboard and 
mouse integration do.

What I find particularly good is that VB/2 has support for both Intel's 
and AMD's hardware virtualisation features and in fact I am running this 
on my dual-core AMD X2 based system and VB/2 appears to run on core 2 
leaving core 1 alone for all host system operations.

Apparently some versions of VBox have USB pass-thru to allow USB devices 
not supported by the host OS to be supported by the guest OS directly - 
I haven't been able to test this as yet.

  So all in all very promising.

  There is however one black cloud hanging over the product. Although 
released as open source, most of the work has come from Innotek who have 
just been bought out by Sun Microsystems - I hope this will not be 
another case of a product becoming available only to be stopped by the 
vendor being taken over. Sun however have a better record than Micro$oft 
in this area - OpenOffice being a good example. If Sun take the same 
open-source-supportive approach with Virtualbox, the product should be 
available to be updated for several years to come.

  Another interesting current announcement is that Micro$oft have "forty 
top engineers" working non-stop on creating a version of Windows XP 
(note XP not Vista) that requires less resources, for the booming 
mini-laptop market being led at present by the $499 ASUS EeePC. These 
systems have limited screen space, slower (600MHz) processors, often 
limited RAM and limited disk space often based on compact flash type 
memory. Micro$oft should perhaps check the EeePC Wiki as what they are 
trying to create - a version of XP that will run off an SD memory card 
on such systems has already been created using existing tools such as 
Nlite. Perhaps someone should tell them so that they can use their 
normal "modus operandi" and "recycle" someone else's ideas as their own 
- but hey they have plenty of (our) money so why bother telling them ?

Why is this relevant ? Well a cut-down version of Win XP would also be 
ideal to use in any virtualisation engine including VBox due to it's 
reduced resource requirements.

We all know Virtualisation can be used to run a different Operating 
System - Windoze, Linsux etc. on top of eComStation, also to run 
multiple systems concurrently on one system, but consider what can be 
done with an isolated, header less, background winXP installation on eCS.

It can run as a router to VPN clients that only work on  Windoze.
It can run as a print data converter feeding print out to Win Printers 
(i.e generic postscript in printer specific format out).
It can run as a scanning server for scanners without OS/2 support.
It can run as a bittorrent engine.
I'm sure there are many other applications for this approach.

Create the configuration with the GUI turned on and then run the same 
virtual hard disk in the background command line mode and forget about 
it - it simply becomes another module of your system that loads when you 
start the system. Most important - it is run in a secure container so if 
it gets virus infected, you can close it down (no updates written) and 
restart it from a previous snapshot.

Food for thought ......

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:55:06 -0400
From:  madodel <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation)

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>  There is however one black cloud hanging over the product. Although 
> released as open source, most of the work has come from Innotek who have 
> just been bought out by Sun Microsystems - I hope this will not be 
> another case of a product becoming available only to be stopped by the 
> vendor being taken over. Sun however have a better record than Micro$oft 
> in this area - OpenOffice being a good example. If Sun take the same 
> open-source-supportive approach with Virtualbox, the product should be 
> available to be updated for several years to come.

Ed,

Since the OS/2 host is not an official project, Sun really doesn't  have 
much say in whether it continues or not.  It is being worked on by Paul as 
well as a couple of former Innotek employees.  I guess they could close 
down the OS/2 host forum http://forums.virtualbox dot org/viewforum.php?f=10 . 
The biggest problem is that some of the code is not included in the open 
source version.  I think that currently includes USB support.  So whether 
we will ever see those features is not known.  But I was able to do my 
taxes this year in VBox/2, so it is very usable.  Still can only use CD and 
floppy images (ISO, not real drives).  For a list of the differences 
between the open source version and the closed source version see 
http://www.virtualbox dot org/wiki/Editions

Kudos to Paul and anyone else that is working on VBox/2.

Mark

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:02:01 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Burning DVDs - problems

Hi everybody!

For some time we have been successfully doing backups in a two-stage
process:
a) making an ISO image with mkisofs2
b) burning said image to media with dvddao 2.02

When our data store got too large, we moved from CDs to DVDs, for nearly
the same cost of media, and about $A70 for the DVD burner - a cheap
upgrade.

This has been working well, until late Jan when we exceeded our 4.4Gb
limit, and around the same time we bought a new stack of 100 I-mation DVD-R
discs.

Since then we have not been able to successfully burn an ISO to disc.

We have archived old data (there's more to do yet) and got our image size
down to 4.1Gb, but we can't get a good burn.

We have tried on different computers, but we keep getting failures at
different stages - sometimes NIL burned, sometimes up to 94% (best try but
no cigar). Most often it's in the range 40-60%.

With Netdrive, I can read the ISO images no worries, and we can retrieve
individual files, so we don't suspect mkisofs2.

Do we have a dud set of media, or could we have a drive that's gone bad?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:17:39 +1000
From:  The Barrows <thebarrows at iinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

John,
To quote Bob, Your mileage May Vary.
I have had over the last 3 years had 4 different types of DVD-R that 
don't work. Yes alright I stopped buying the really cheap no-namers.
I have a Pioneer 109 and am happily using TDK DVD-R at the moment. 
(Bought at the swap meet.)
Good Luck,
Michael

John Angelico wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> For some time we have been successfully doing backups in a two-stage
> process:
> a) making an ISO image with mkisofs2
> b) burning said image to media with dvddao 2.02
>
> When our data store got too large, we moved from CDs to DVDs, for nearly
> the same cost of media, and about $A70 for the DVD burner - a cheap
> upgrade.
>
> This has been working well, until late Jan when we exceeded our 4.4Gb
> limit, and around the same time we bought a new stack of 100 I-mation DVD-R
> discs.
>
> Since then we have not been able to successfully burn an ISO to disc.
>
> We have archived old data (there's more to do yet) and got our image size
> down to 4.1Gb, but we can't get a good burn.
>
> We have tried on different computers, but we keep getting failures at
> different stages - sometimes NIL burned, sometimes up to 94% (best try but
> no cigar). Most often it's in the range 40-60%.
>
> With Netdrive, I can read the ISO images no worries, and we can retrieve
> individual files, so we don't suspect mkisofs2.
>
> Do we have a dud set of media, or could we have a drive that's gone bad?
>
>
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________

>  

>
>   
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:33:17 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

Hi John,

>Do we have a dud set of media, or could we have a drive that's gone bad?

Could be either, I had a bad run with imation media, about a 40% failure
rate out of a 50 disk bundle yet with Verbatim DVD's I've had 1 failure
out of about 50 BUT I've also gone through 3 DVD drives, they just
dont seem to make hardware the way they use to. My second Sony
DVD writer only lasted for 1 CD burn, which I thought was stuffed as
I couldnt read it, then found out the drive could nolonger read or burn
anything.

I also still use my old Yamaha SCSI CD burner that I bought in the
early 90's for CD's and small stuff and its still going strong !

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:33:32 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

John Angelico wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> For some time we have been successfully doing backups in a two-stage
> process:
> a) making an ISO image with mkisofs2
> b) burning said image to media with dvddao 2.02
>
> When our data store got too large, we moved from CDs to DVDs, for nearly
> the same cost of media, and about $A70 for the DVD burner - a cheap
> upgrade.
>
> This has been working well, until late Jan when we exceeded our 4.4Gb
> limit, and around the same time we bought a new stack of 100 I-mation DVD-R
> discs.
>
> Since then we have not been able to successfully burn an ISO to disc.
>
> We have archived old data (there's more to do yet) and got our image size
> down to 4.1Gb, but we can't get a good burn.
>
> We have tried on different computers, but we keep getting failures at
> different stages - sometimes NIL burned, sometimes up to 94% (best try but
> no cigar). Most often it's in the range 40-60%.
>
> With Netdrive, I can read the ISO images no worries, and we can retrieve
> individual files, so we don't suspect mkisofs2.
>
> Do we have a dud set of media, or could we have a drive that's gone bad?
>
>
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>   
Hi John,

It's a funny thing BUT - here using RSJ for my burning, I not 
infrequently have coasters on CD-R, but virtually never with the 
slower-burning CD-RW/DVD-RW (using Verbatim/TDK media for DVD). I know 
they're slower, but you can reuse them 1,000 times or more.

I always burn my eCS/Ubuntu/Linspire/Xandros etc. ISOs to CD-RW not 
CD-R, and haven't had a failure yet!

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:39:15 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

PS,

Reading Mike's email reminded me to say that I write DVD's at
x2 using CDRecord which seems to be more stable (the speed
that is). The DVD writers in an AMD x2 4Ghz CPU box with 4G
ram and 2 x 500G SATA drives. DVD drive is the only thing on
the IDE connector.

My old Yamaha drives in my old Netfinity server, 650Mhz PIII
with 256M ram and all SCSI drives.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:51:35 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:   Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 was Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

Ian Manners wrote:
> PS,
>
> Reading Mike's email reminded me to say that I write DVD's at
> x2 using CDRecord which seems to be more stable (the speed
> that is). The DVD writers in an AMD x2 4Ghz CPU box with 4G
> ram and 2 x 500G SATA drives. DVD drive is the only thing on
> the IDE connector.
>
> My old Yamaha drives in my old Netfinity server, 650Mhz PIII
> with 256M ram and all SCSI drives.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
Hi Ian,

That's an interesting point about the 4GB RAM - I don't have a copy on 
the "throwaway" mail on this system - but there has been a recent thread 
on one of the Yahoo Tech Groups (eCS?-eCS-Technical), where a user 
couldn't get over 2GB visible. How much of that 4GB is usable/visible on 
your setup with eCS-OS/2?

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:20:52 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 was Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

Hi Mike,

>That's an interesting point about the 4GB RAM - I don't have a copy on 
>the "throwaway" mail on this system - but there has been a recent thread 
>on one of the Yahoo Tech Groups (eCS?-eCS-Technical), where a user 
>couldn't get over 2GB visible. How much of that 4GB is usable/visible on 
>your setup with eCS-OS/2?

3583.546M from what I can figure out, which isnt easy.

Sysinfo and the 'mem' command are useless, Sysinfo tells me I have -5xxxK
of ram from memory (personal physical brain type memory), mem tells me
I have 523M of RAM but I know that OS/2 is accessing a lot more than
that, as I'm currently editing 30 to 120Mb TIF files with the limiting factor
being HD reads and writes, with Seamonkey, TAME, PMMail, and the Java
based ImageEditor all loaded.

I think there is also something to do with which Kernel is being used as well
as the hardware, I've heard reports from windows users that some motherboards
will only allow 2G of ram available for Windows even with 4G installed of
matched pairs of DDR2 sticks. Re the Kernel, I'd have to look through my
old notes from Scotts testcase and other kernel builds.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:23:05 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2 was Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

>3583.546M from what I can figure out, which isnt easy.

Should mention I used PMView's system information to tell me.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:29:42 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2

Ian Manners wrote:
>> 3583.546M from what I can figure out, which isnt easy.
>>     
>
> Should mention I used PMView's system information to tell me.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>   
Hi Ian,

That's roughly what I thought it would be - I'll pass that info on to 
the person inquiring - was on eCS-Technical - now if you were using 
ColorWorks V2 - that has support for 64 CPU SMP!

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:54:57 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Using 4GB RAM with eCS-OS/2

Hi Mike,

>ColorWorks V2 - that has support for 64 CPU SMP!

I have it but ImageEditor does what I need beyond PMView for
my current projects editing needs. A shame ColorWorks is so
old re some of its features.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:20:45 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Burning DVDs - problems

John Angelico wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> For some time we have been successfully doing backups in a two-stage
> process:
> a) making an ISO image with mkisofs2
> b) burning said image to media with dvddao 2.02
>
> When our data store got too large, we moved from CDs to DVDs, for nearly
> the same cost of media, and about $A70 for the DVD burner - a cheap
> upgrade.
>
> This has been working well, until late Jan when we exceeded our 4.4Gb
> limit, and around the same time we bought a new stack of 100 I-mation DVD-R
> discs.
>
> Since then we have not been able to successfully burn an ISO to disc.
>
> We have archived old data (there's more to do yet) and got our image size
> down to 4.1Gb, but we can't get a good burn.
>
> We have tried on different computers, but we keep getting failures at
> different stages - sometimes NIL burned, sometimes up to 94% (best try but
> no cigar). Most often it's in the range 40-60%.
>
> With Netdrive, I can read the ISO images no worries, and we can retrieve
> individual files, so we don't suspect mkisofs2.
>
> Do we have a dud set of media, or could we have a drive that's gone bad?
>
>
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________

>  

>   
I have had bad experiences with iMation media - I would suggest you 
simply go down your local computer4 or office supplies store and buy a 5 
or 10 pack of non-name disks and try those.

My experience is that from no-name discs, I get about one "dud" in twenty.

Since you have hit the 4.x GB limit of the normal DVD-Rs, you may want 
to try the 8.5 GB versions if your writer can support them - again only 
buy one or two to try them as I don't know if DVDDAO will handle the 
8.5GB discs.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:56:54 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley dot id dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation)

Hi Mark,

madodel wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>  There is however one black cloud hanging over the product. Although 
>> released as open source, most of the work has come from Innotek who 
>> have just been bought out by Sun Microsystems - I hope this will not 
>> be another case of a product becoming available only to be stopped by 
>> the vendor being taken over. Sun however have a better record than 
>> Micro$oft in this area - OpenOffice being a good example. If Sun take 
>> the same open-source-supportive approach with Virtualbox, the product 
>> should be available to be updated for several years to come.
> 
> Ed,
> 
> Since the OS/2 host is not an official project, Sun really doesn't  have 
> much say in whether it continues or not.  It is being worked on by Paul 
> as well as a couple of former Innotek employees.  I guess they could 
> close down the OS/2 host forum 
> http://forums.virtualbox dot org/viewforum.php?f=10 . The biggest problem is 
> that some of the code is not included in the open source version.  I 
> think that currently includes USB support.  So whether we will ever see 
> those features is not known.  But I was able to do my taxes this year in 
> VBox/2, so it is very usable.  Still can only use CD and floppy images 
> (ISO, not real drives).  For a list of the differences between the open 
> source version and the closed source version see 
> http://www.virtualbox dot org/wiki/Editions
> 
> Kudos to Paul and anyone else that is working on VBox/2.

Thanks :) One day when/if I ever get any free time, I'll try take a look 
at some of the issues remaining with the OS/2 host......

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:47:12 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation)

Paul Smedley wrote:
>> Kudos to Paul and anyone else that is working on VBox/2.
>
> Thanks :) One day when/if I ever get any free time, I'll try take a 
> look at some of the issues remaining with the OS/2 host......
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul. 
Hi Paul,

And that will certainly be most appreciated, like the rest of your great 
works!

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:20:07 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation)

Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>  Over the years we have had some virtualisation engines on OS/2, most 
> noteworthy in my opinion were VirtualPC/2 and SVista unfortunately 
> both of these stopped development when the companies producing them 
> were bought by larger companies and OS/2 host (if not client) support 
> stopped.
>
>
>  Well after a pause we now have a new possibility in Virtualbox/2 
> (Paul Smedley having recently built the latest  binaries from the open 
> source code - thanks again Paul), while not fully bug free, this 
> offering has moved on I believe from being only an Alpha  version to a 
> very usable Beta version - well worth trying out. 
Hi Ed,

Is Virtualbox/2 as good as VirtualPC/2 at it's present state of development?

Regards,

Alan Duval
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Date:  Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:53:04 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Virtualisation returns to OS/2 (eComstation)

Alan Duval wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>  Over the years we have had some virtualisation engines on OS/2, most 
>> noteworthy in my opinion were VirtualPC/2 and SVista unfortunately 
>> both of these stopped development when the companies producing them 
>> were bought by larger companies and OS/2 host (if not client) support 
>> stopped.
>>
>>
>>  Well after a pause we now have a new possibility in Virtualbox/2 
>> (Paul Smedley having recently built the latest  binaries from the 
>> open source code - thanks again Paul), while not fully bug free, this 
>> offering has moved on I believe from being only an Alpha  version to 
>> a very usable Beta version - well worth trying out. 
> Hi Ed,
>
> Is Virtualbox/2 as good as VirtualPC/2 at it's present state of 
> development?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan Duval
 
>
> 

It's getting close - I'd say about the same as VPC/2 v4 - so not quite 
as good as VPC/2 v5.

There's a few bugs and features to be ironed out but it is certainly usable.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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