Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1568
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:01:47 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 20 October 2007
 Number  1568
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
2   Interesting : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Small or large business OS/2 users : Glenn Montgomery <glenn at montysplace dot net>
4  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
5  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
6  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
7  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
10   Strange effect on Bunnings website : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
11  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
12  Re:  Strange effect on Bunnings website : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
13  Re:  Strange effect on Bunnings website : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
14  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
15  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
16  Re:  Moving program objects between systems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
17  Re:  Strange effect on Bunnings website : Peter A Jenkins <peter.a.jenkins at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:46:12 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer  program objects 
> from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2)  desktop on the same 
> system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping 
> does not work.
>
> Cheers/2
Hi Ed,

Object Desktop Package when available ( :'( ) or as already mentioned 
Unimaint (portable backup)

Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:56:36 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Interesting

I just come across this interesting information of how an ISP in the USA 
is messing around with it's customers.

http://machinist.salon dot com/blog/2007/10/19/comcast/index.html

Regards
Dennis.

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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:01:44 +1000
From:  Glenn Montgomery <glenn at montysplace dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Small or large business OS/2 users

Hi all,

I know that Heritage Building Society used OS/2, even at it terminals at 
the customer service counter. That was a little while ago now so don't 
know their current situation.

And then there was a Bank of Qld ATM which was NOT running os/2 recently 
that took my money but kept rebooting with the ever familiar :'(  
hourglass. Mind you I didn't get the cash, only the debit :-( .

Cheers,
Glenn.

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Anyone know any companies that used to, might, or still do,
> use OS/2 of any version ?
>
> Coles use to but I've noticed there checkouts appear to be
> using something else now. Also CBA have long gone over
> to the darkside but I dont know if they ever replaced there
> branch servers which also use to be OS/2, though I assume
> so.
>
> Ditto Atlas Copco, Westrac.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>
> "Remember folks.  Street lights timed for 35 mph are also timed for 70 mph."  -- Jim Samuels

>  

>
>
>
>   
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:58:47 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Ian
>
> Unimaint :-)
>
> The other way I've done it in the past was to rar up c:\desktop, unrar
> it on d:\ on the other PC, then open the D:\desktop and drap and drop,
> so I'm surprised that it doesnt work for you unless your not coping
> attributes/EA's for some reason.
>   

 Well my situation is that If I open the desktop folder on the C: (Warp 
4) system while running eCS 2.0 from drive D: firstly not all objects 
are displayed and when I copy them across and folder are empty and 
sometimes  program  objects come across and work, sometimes not. I don't 
want to transfer the complete desktop as  for one I don't want Seamonkey 
or Firefox to come across as the versions on my Warp system can handle 
Flash, which the fresh install on eCS 2.0 (plus modified plugin) does work.

There used to be a rexx program that would back up all desktop objects 
and create another rexx file (that could be edited) to restore them on a 
different system. So it copied the object properties from os2.ini as 
well as the objects as far as I remember.
> Mind you though, both those systems were originally unrar'ed from
> the same image so the desktop ID would have been the same in both
> to start with so I wonder if thats the problem.
>
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>
>   
Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:25:30 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Hi Ed,

>There used to be a rexx program that would back up all desktop objects 
>and create another rexx file (that could be edited) to restore them on a 
>different system. So it copied the object properties from os2.ini as 
>well as the objects as far as I remember.

I can remember a rexx file that did that but not sure which one it is
its been so long.

http://www.os2site dot com/sw/util/backup/dtbackup_.zip
Simple backup of the OS/2 Desktop. This simple REXX script will create a recovery 
directory on the boot drive. Into this it will place ZIPped copies of the above files 
constituting the desktop. It will also include utilities which are useful when restoring the 
desktop.

And various rexx util's in
http://www.os2site dot com/sw/util/wps/backup/index.html

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
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Date:  Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:09:19 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at pmoylan dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Ed Durrant wrote:

> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer  program objects
>  from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2)  desktop on the same
>  system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping
> does not work.

It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another
version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the
details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called
"Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. Before doing anything
else, I'd suggest that you run CheckINI, which I think has a way of
detecting which of the two desktops is the correct one. As for
duplicated templates, I just go into the Templates folder and manually
delete the redundant ones. Or sometimes I don't bother, because it's
been years since I needed to access the templates folder.

As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like
"Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the
correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file.
To use this you'd have to boot to Warp 4, run the packager, then boot to
eCS and do the "unpackage" operation. Whether this will actually work is
unclear to me. The packaging would have to be done so that
cross-references between objects (e.g. between a program object and its
icon) were made in a way that didn't use object IDs, because there will
be no correlation at all between the numbers used as IDs in the two systems.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at pmoylan dot org
                                       http://www.pmoylan dot org

Note: Mail to and from hotmail addresses often doesn't arrive,
and hotmail doesn't inform the sender about lost mail.  Mail
through standards-conforming mail servers is still reliable.

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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:30:35 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

<quote who="Mike O'Connor">
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer  program objects
>> from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2)  desktop on the same
>> system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping does
>> not work.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
> Hi Ed,
>
>
> Object Desktop Package when available

I might have some left...

( :'( ) or as already mentioned
> Unimaint (portable backup)
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> 

>
>

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:44:42 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

<quote who="Peter Moylan">
> Ed Durrant wrote:

> As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like
> "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the
> correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file.

IIRC, that's part of Object Desktop
(and, a very handy part)

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:50:29 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> <quote who="Peter Moylan">
>   
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>     
>
>
>   
>> As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like
>> "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the
>> correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file.
>>     
>
> IIRC, that's part of Object Desktop
> (and, a very handy part)
>
>   
Hi Voytek, Peter, Ed,

It sure is - an OS/2 Essential IMO!

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:58:53 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:   Strange effect on Bunnings website

Hi,

  For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box 
covering this page that wont go aweay ?

http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:03:33 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer  program objects
>>  from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2)  desktop on the same
>>  system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping
>> does not work.
>
> It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another
> version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the
> details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called
> "Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. 
  Indeed and in fact what I experienced is that even just opening and 
copying from the desktop directory on the other system, when I rebooted 
the OS/2 Warp 4 system - all the objects had changed their positions. As 
I always archive on startup the solution was simple, reboot, alt+F1 and 
restore an earlier desktop.

> Before doing anything
> else, I'd suggest that you run CheckINI, which I think has a way of
> detecting which of the two desktops is the correct one. As for
> duplicated templates, I just go into the Templates folder and manually
> delete the redundant ones. Or sometimes I don't bother, because it's
> been years since I needed to access the templates folder.
>
> As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like
> "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the
> correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file.
> To use this you'd have to boot to Warp 4, run the packager, then boot to
> eCS and do the "unpackage" operation. Whether this will actually work is
> unclear to me. The packaging would have to be done so that
> cross-references between objects (e.g. between a program object and its
> icon) were made in a way that didn't use object IDs, because there will
> be no correlation at all between the numbers used as IDs in the two 
> systems.
>
  That's what I'm looking for and from what I remember that archival 
file was actually a rexx program that could be edited to remove 
whichever object you didn't want to transfer.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:23:21 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Strange effect on Bunnings website

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box 
> covering this page that wont go aweay ?
>
> http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx
>
> Cheers/2
Hi Ed,

Yep, it's the same here - it comes up after selecting the respective 
store [using postcode] and it extends to include the area where the "TV" 
video plays and Magazine pages display - but doesn't obscure those!

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:24:46 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Strange effect on Bunnings website

Hi Ed,

>  For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box 
>covering this page that wont go aweay ?
>
>http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx

Yep, been like that for months if not longer. Useless website
anyway, I just go in.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Press any key except... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE!
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:38:38 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer  program objects
>>>  from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2)  desktop on the same
>>>  system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping
>>> does not work.
>> It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another
>> version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the
>> details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called
>> "Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. 
>  Indeed and in fact what I experienced is that even just opening and 
> copying from the desktop directory on the other system, when I 
> rebooted the OS/2 Warp 4 system - all the objects had changed their 
> positions. As I always archive on startup the solution was simple, 
> reboot, alt+F1 and restore an earlier desktop.
That position changing doesn't happen with any of my multiple systems here!
>
>> Before doing anything
>> else, I'd suggest that you run CheckINI, which I think has a way of
>> detecting which of the two desktops is the correct one. As for
>> duplicated templates, I just go into the Templates folder and manually
>> delete the redundant ones. Or sometimes I don't bother, because it's
>> been years since I needed to access the templates folder.
>>
>> As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like
>> "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the
>> correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file.
>> To use this you'd have to boot to Warp 4, run the packager, then boot to
>> eCS and do the "unpackage" operation. Whether this will actually work is
>> unclear to me. The packaging would have to be done so that
>> cross-references between objects (e.g. between a program object and its
>> icon) were made in a way that didn't use object IDs, because there will
>> be no correlation at all between the numbers used as IDs in the two 
>> systems.
>>
>  That's what I'm looking for and from what I remember that archival 
> file was actually a rexx program that could be edited to remove 
> whichever object you didn't want to transfer.
>
>
> Cheers/2
>
Hi Ed,

With Object Desktop's Object Packages, on a "foreign" desktop where the 
volume-letter is different - one can either edit the package contents in 
the GUI, or export the contents as either a REXX script or an .RC file, 
both of which can have drive-letters globally changed, and the REXX 
route is the one I use here.
When the original package is created one can specify whether object IDs 
and folder backgrounds etc., are maintained or not. The script can also 
be set up to validate the paths for executables etc., too,  and running 
it gives one the choice of replacing/updating etc. It also registers all 
required classes for all the abstract objects that one can't manipulate 
between desktops.

Let me know which objects you need to "clone", and I'll see which ones I 
can include in a script for you!

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:40:58 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at durrant dot mine dot nu>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Thanks for all the suggestions.

The concensus appears to be UniMaint and checking on Mensys website, it 
states it will do exactly what I am looking to do, so I've put an order 
in for it.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:46:26 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Moving program objects between systems

Hi Peter,

>It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another
>version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the
>details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called
>"Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. Before doing anything

os2.ini keeps track of only one "DesktopID", so I cant see how that
would happen. I've also never had a problem over the years in
messing with my test systems that way either, ie, copying the folder
over to another drive, or a directory on the other PC's C or boot
drive and copying what I want off it. Though I normally dont have
to worry about os2.ini files either.

You can even try accessing it over a network connection on
another OS/2 box and it opens fine, just did it to ns2 dot comkal dot net
over the network.

I've always thought it was a shame it didnt go further and also
show you the running process's on the remote, guess thats
what VNC is for.

Though I also have noticed over the years that one OS/2 is rarely
the same as another, so on someone elses system I would backup
the desktop, os2*.ini files, C:\OS2\DLL\DOCK*.CFG, and
C:\OS2\DLL\SCENTER.CFG just to play safe.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

MEETS ALL STANDARDS = Ours, not yours.
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Date:  Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:27:12 +0930
From:  Peter A Jenkins <peter.a.jenkins at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Strange effect on Bunnings website

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box 
> covering this page that wont go aweay ?
>
> http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
 
>
> 

>
Yes
Peter  at  Port Pirie

-- 

May your moccasins leave tracks, on many mounds of worth, and walk with chiefs of every tribe who live in peace on earth.

Peter A  Jenkins
(AKA grandad or pj)
Port Pirie South Australia
PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM
Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2
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