Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1530
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:01:17 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 08 August 2007
 Number  1530
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem : Leigh" <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>
2  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
3   Samba issues : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Samba issues : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
5  Re:  Samba issues : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
6  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
7   Router : Peter L Allen" <allenpl at netspace dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
9  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
10  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
11  Re:  Router : Ed Durrant <edurrant at virginbroadband dot com dot au>

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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:31:16 +0930
From:  "Leigh" <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem

> What do I need for Flash/Shockwave to play nicely with my
> system?

That other OS!!

Sorry, I'll wash my mouth out with window cleaner. 8-(

Leigh
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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:46:44 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem

Leigh wrote:
>> What do I need for Flash/Shockwave to play nicely with my
>> system?
> That other OS!!
>
> Sorry, I'll wash my mouth out with window cleaner. 8-(
>
> Leigh
Hi Leigh,

If you scan through most Windoze forums, you'll soon note that it's not 
a bed of roses with regard to Acrobat and Flash on Windoze! {seen in 
passing! :-) ]

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:27:42 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:   Samba issues

Hi All,
	Has anyone gotten OS/2 to see (ie see and be able to read/write
files on) unix shares?

	I'm having issues in setting up Samba on an AIX box, the OS/2 boxes
can not see them.

	The OS/2 boxes are all part of a domain (WSeB based).

	If someone could share their smb.conf file, that would be great.

-Chris

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9395-1504   Internet:   chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
FAX:    +61-3-9395-7633   Web Page:   http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au
Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 4293, Hoppers Crossing DC, VIC 3029, AUSTRALIA

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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:04:19 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Samba issues

Hi Chris,

Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
> 	Has anyone gotten OS/2 to see (ie see and be able to read/write
> files on) unix shares?
> 
> 	I'm having issues in setting up Samba on an AIX box, the OS/2 boxes
> can not see them.
> 
> 	The OS/2 boxes are all part of a domain (WSeB based).
> 
> 	If someone could share their smb.conf file, that would be great.

I have Samba working with the server on OS/2 - not sure that that 
smb.conf would be useful though.

You may also want to consider using Netdrive as a client for Samba... 
it's free to use with the Samba plugin...

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:43:16 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Samba issues

Hi Chris

>	Has anyone gotten OS/2 to see (ie see and be able to read/write
>files on) unix shares?

Wish I could help you, it's on my todo list (for argh, 4-5 years now) to
give it a go but I keep ftp'ing.

Can OS/2 connect to Windows using Samba ok ?

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

"Ever wonder if illiterate people get the full effect of alphabetsoup?"  --John Mendoza
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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:08:57 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem

Hi gize,

This is a digression from topic, but still related.  I spent 11 years 
with eCS-OS/2 and loved every minute of it.  Still the most advanced OS 
in the market.  What eventually forced me out of it was this sort of 
thing (this thread and others like it).  So, what I'm putting up here is 
a suggestion which still allows the use of the beloved OS/2 but also 
offers all the modern fruit when needed/wanted - easily!  Bear in mind 
that I too hate the dark side - with passion!  I made the only other 
viable move - to Linux.  DON'T STOP NOW - READ ON!

Using one of the several good virtual machine (VM) systems available in 
a Linux host, you can run pretty much any guest OS you want.  I use 
Parallels (http://www.parallels dot com/en/products/workstation/), but there 
are others.  The best other I've come across (imho) is VirtualBox, by 
Innotek (http://www.innotek.de/)  You can run /at least/ eCS v1.2 in the 
current Parallels VM with full sound, USB, networking, serial/parallel 
ports, CD and floppy drives and anything else I could think of.  I've 
done it, and another ex-OS/2 user has witnessed it.  Here's an example 
of what we did, just for the fun of it - to see if it would.

The host machine is an AMD64 3200+ with 2gig RAM on a DFI nf3 ultra-D 
mobo, plenty of HDD >1Tb, a Pioneer DVD-R/RW, nVidia GF 4200Ti graphics, 
on board AC'97 sound.  The host OS is Xandros v4.1 - a Debian based 
Linux for beginners like me.

We installed Parallels (the current version) and created 4 VMs, into 
which we installed eCS v1.2, WinXP, Win2K and Win98se.  We ran all 4 of 
these VMs together and set them each some light tasks to do (eg 
spreadsheet recalc), as well as running a couple of things in the host 
OS.  Even with 2g of RAM the performance was somewhat impacted, but it 
did keep going at a (sort of) acceptable pace.  You don't need to do 
this of course.  I'm just telling you this so that you'll see what is 
possible. 

So, what I'm building up to here is, run a Linux host system, but then 
run a VM with eCS in it and do all your day to day stuff in eCS.  You 
can also configure a VM with the dark side OS if you wish, and run it 
only when you absolutely need to.  Linux (Xandros at least) will do 
pretty much any multimedia stuff that Windoze will do, so chances are 
that you could spend most of your life using eCS, then drop back to the 
host OS for the odd MM things you can't do easily in the guest.  Having 
a Wintendo VM however, allows you to run those odd couple of 
applications which you can /only/ get for Window$.  Each guest is able 
to share the clipboard with the host, which I assume means with each 
other too.

For most of your life the host OS is doing absolutely nothing except 
running your guest, so you're looking at so close to native speed that 
it doesn't matter.  But, you have the host already running (no 
dual/triple boot required) for the things you want to run there, and you 
can have Windblows just a mouse click away (again no dual/triple boot 
required).  Most of us wouldn't have things actually running (doing 
work) in the various VMs, so each of them will run at full speed when 
we're actually using it.

The drawbacks: 

1. From memory you can't use HPFS for your eCS virtual drive if you wish 
to use shared disk space with the host or the Windoze VM.  I've not 
found a viable HPFS driver for Linux yet either.  You can share stuff 
with the host and other running VMs via the local network though.  Each 
VM is seen as a separate host on the local network.  The "pay for" 
version of Xandros does come with a /very/ reliable read/write 
proprietary NTFS driver, and in a Windoze guest you can configure shared 
disk space with the host.  Not too sure of this with an eCS guest.

2. The video response in a VM is /not/ good enough to play fast paced 
games, but it is ok for video and sound multimedia files etc.

3. You still should (in theory) have licensed copies of Winblow$ and eCS.

4. The more RAM the better!  But let's face it, that's /always/ true, 
and RAM is cheap now-a-days.  eCS is pretty good with 256meg, Linux with 
512meg and Windoze eXPee hogs 1024meg.  The VM's RAM is only used 
(allocated) whilst the VM is running, so you could get away with 1gig no 
worries.

5. Parallels is a proprietary (pay for) VM, and worse still, it's no 
longer supported (as far as I can tell) for Linux or Wintendo hosts.  
They seem to be developing only the Mac host version now.  It is the 
best I've ever tried though (for me), and I've tried most of the common 
ones.

So, there you have it.  More than 2 penneth worth, but hey, ya gotta 
have a win some time.

Cheers
Kev

Leigh wrote:
>> What do I need for Flash/Shockwave to play nicely with my
>> system?
>>     
>
> That other OS!!
>
> Sorry, I'll wash my mouth out with window cleaner. 8-(
>
> Leigh

-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
We used to use and recommend Xandros but they went to the dark side
So we'll soon be using and recommending Debian Etch
=========================
There are 10 types of people ...
   ... those who understand binary, and those who don't!
=========================
They say a marble sized object collided with some gasses, and had
a massive explosion and the universe was born.
   - to believe this takes more faith than I have.
=========================

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:47 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Peter L Allen" <allenpl at netspace dot net dot au>
Subject:   Router

Fibre to the premises is suddenly available and working - in Hobart!

As I understand it I now require a router with DNS?

Makes models/ for against - experience

Looked at details of a few, it's hard going,

				Regards,
						allenpl

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:32:39 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem

Kev wrote:
> Hi gize,
>
> This is a digression from topic, but still related.  I spent 11 years 
> with eCS-OS/2 and loved every minute of it.  Still the most advanced 
> OS in the market.  What eventually forced me out of it was this sort 
> of thing (this thread and others like it).  So, what I'm putting up 
> here is a suggestion which still allows the use of the beloved OS/2 
> but also offers all the modern fruit when needed/wanted - easily!  
> Bear in mind that I too hate the dark side - with passion!  I made the 
> only other viable move - to Linux.  DON'T STOP NOW - READ ON!
>
> Using one of the several good virtual machine (VM) systems available 
> in a Linux host, you can run pretty much any guest OS you want.  I use 
> Parallels (http://www.parallels dot com/en/products/workstation/), but 
> there are others.  The best other I've come across (imho) is 
> VirtualBox, by Innotek (http://www.innotek.de/)  You can run /at 
> least/ eCS v1.2 in the current Parallels VM with full sound, USB, 
> networking, serial/parallel ports, CD and floppy drives and anything 
> else I could think of.  I've done it, and another ex-OS/2 user has 
> witnessed it.  Here's an example of what we did, just for the fun of 
> it - to see if it would.
>
> The host machine is an AMD64 3200+ with 2gig RAM on a DFI nf3 ultra-D 
> mobo, plenty of HDD >1Tb, a Pioneer DVD-R/RW, nVidia GF 4200Ti 
> graphics, on board AC'97 sound.  The host OS is Xandros v4.1 - a 
> Debian based Linux for beginners like me.
>
> We installed Parallels (the current version) and created 4 VMs, into 
> which we installed eCS v1.2, WinXP, Win2K and Win98se.  We ran all 4 
> of these VMs together and set them each some light tasks to do (eg 
> spreadsheet recalc), as well as running a couple of things in the host 
> OS.  Even with 2g of RAM the performance was somewhat impacted, but it 
> did keep going at a (sort of) acceptable pace.  You don't need to do 
> this of course.  I'm just telling you this so that you'll see what is 
> possible.
> So, what I'm building up to here is, run a Linux host system, but then 
> run a VM with eCS in it and do all your day to day stuff in eCS.  You 
> can also configure a VM with the dark side OS if you wish, and run it 
> only when you absolutely need to.  Linux (Xandros at least) will do 
> pretty much any multimedia stuff that Windoze will do, so chances are 
> that you could spend most of your life using eCS, then drop back to 
> the host OS for the odd MM things you can't do easily in the guest.  
> Having a Wintendo VM however, allows you to run those odd couple of 
> applications which you can /only/ get for Window$.  Each guest is able 
> to share the clipboard with the host, which I assume means with each 
> other too.
>
> For most of your life the host OS is doing absolutely nothing except 
> running your guest, so you're looking at so close to native speed that 
> it doesn't matter.  But, you have the host already running (no 
> dual/triple boot required) for the things you want to run there, and 
> you can have Windblows just a mouse click away (again no dual/triple 
> boot required).  Most of us wouldn't have things actually running 
> (doing work) in the various VMs, so each of them will run at full 
> speed when we're actually using it.
>
> The drawbacks:
> 1. From memory you can't use HPFS for your eCS virtual drive if you 
> wish to use shared disk space with the host or the Windoze VM.  I've 
> not found a viable HPFS driver for Linux yet either.  You can share 
> stuff with the host and other running VMs via the local network 
> though.  Each VM is seen as a separate host on the local network.  The 
> "pay for" version of Xandros does come with a /very/ reliable 
> read/write proprietary NTFS driver, and in a Windoze guest you can 
> configure shared disk space with the host.  Not too sure of this with 
> an eCS guest.
>
> 2. The video response in a VM is /not/ good enough to play fast paced 
> games, but it is ok for video and sound multimedia files etc.
>
> 3. You still should (in theory) have licensed copies of Winblow$ and eCS.
>
> 4. The more RAM the better!  But let's face it, that's /always/ true, 
> and RAM is cheap now-a-days.  eCS is pretty good with 256meg, Linux 
> with 512meg and Windoze eXPee hogs 1024meg.  The VM's RAM is only used 
> (allocated) whilst the VM is running, so you could get away with 1gig 
> no worries.
>
> 5. Parallels is a proprietary (pay for) VM, and worse still, it's no 
> longer supported (as far as I can tell) for Linux or Wintendo hosts.  
> They seem to be developing only the Mac host version now.  It is the 
> best I've ever tried though (for me), and I've tried most of the 
> common ones.
>
> So, there you have it.  More than 2 penneth worth, but hey, ya gotta 
> have a win some time.
>
> Cheers
> Kev
>
>
> Leigh wrote:
>>> What do I need for Flash/Shockwave to play nicely with my
>>> system?
>>>     
>>
>> That other OS!!
>>
>> Sorry, I'll wash my mouth out with window cleaner. 8-(
>>
>> Leigh
>
>
Hi Kev,

Great to know that you're still around OS/2-eCS! I'm still running 
Linspire [5.0.59+5.1.427+6.0(that off the Live-CD), and with all the 
legal CODECs + Adobe Flash9 etc., no problem to watch the mad road 
warriors on YouTube doing close to 400 kmh on public roads in various 
countries :-) , compared to my A/V setup (lack of) in our favourite OS 
:-( . Also running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS + Kubuntu 7.04 64-bit with the same 
CPU as above, but only 512MB RAM currently.

Didn't realise that Parallels was now just concentrating on the Mac!

Gotta go - hope to hear more new in the same vein in the fuure from you.

Regards,
Mike
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Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:45:04 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
Subject:  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem

Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
> Didn't realise that Parallels was now just concentrating on the Mac!
>
There is a Yahoo group to discuss eCS in the Mac:

http://groups.yahoo dot com/group//WarpOS2andeCS_onApple

Feel free to join.
/

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:20:11 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Firefox 2006 broken website problem

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Didn't realise that Parallels was now just concentrating on the Mac!
>>
> There is a Yahoo group to discuss eCS in the Mac:
>
> http://groups.yahoo dot com/group//WarpOS2andeCS_onApple
>
> Feel free to join.
> /
>
Hi Kris,

Thanks for the heads-up, will do and lurk :-)
My daughter [Mac only since mid-1980s] has the Mac version.

Regards,
mike
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:25:36 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at virginbroadband dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Router

Peter L Allen wrote:
> Fibre to the premises is suddenly available and working - in Hobart!
>
> As I understand it I now require a router with DNS?
>
> Makes models/ for against - experience
>
> Looked at details of a few, it's hard going,
>
> 				Regards,
> 						allenpl
>
>
>   
If it's fibre to the home, I would expect what you will see is an 
ethernet connection or a usb connection, that the telco will probably 
say can go direct to the PC and run some software (possibly proprietry) 
to log on.

If it's ethernet, you're probably going to be OK, USB is another issue.

We really need more details about the service. There are routers, 
router/modems, router/WiFi access points and router/ATAs (for VOIP) - 
and combinations of all of these. The key question is going to be what 
is the interface your equipment is presented with and what logon 
procedure is required.

Can you supply a wenb reference for technical information ?

Cheers/2

Ed.
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