Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1390
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:01:19 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 08 November 2006
 Number  1390
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
2  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
3  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
4  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
7  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
9  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
10  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11   os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
12  Re:  os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:43:14 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Ed Durrant ha scritto:
> but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have OS/2 drivers !
>
>
Sure about that?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:22:53 +1030
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> Ed Durrant ha scritto:
>> but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have OS/2 drivers !
>>
>>
> Sure about that?

I am. http://gutenprint.sourceforge dot net/p_Supported_Printers.php3 for 
example
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Date:  Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:15:49 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Paul Smedley ha scritto:
>
>
> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>> Ed Durrant ha scritto:
>>> but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have OS/2 drivers !
>>>
>>>
>> Sure about that?
>
> I am. http://gutenprint.sourceforge dot net/p_Supported_Printers.php3 for 
> example

And now we are too.
There is a fair amount of winprinters in the collection, so this is an 
answer to the previous unanswered question. :-)

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:31:12 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Paul Smedley wrote:

=============================================
>>>
>> The big question is - are "win-printers" supported by CUPS, not just 
>> postscript and PCL printers (we have drivers for those already).
> 
> 
> Dunno about true 'winprinters' but check out www.linuxprinting dot org
> 
> cups + gutenprint = vast majority of printers supported...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul.

I'm particularly interested in getting my Brother MFC620CN working - It 
has Linux CUPS and LPD driver files on the Brother website, not only for 
printing, but also for faxing - it also has SANE drivers for scanning,

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:34:17 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> Ed Durrant ha scritto:
>> It was great to see in the latest Netlabs newsletter reference to a 
>> new project eCUPS
>>
>> http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups
>>
>> Whose aim is to bring the Common Unix Printer Support (CUPS) to OS/2 
>> and eComStation !
>>
>> Hoping that the CUPS configuration files that work under Unix or Linux 
>> will work under the final OS2/eCS version, means that one MAJOR 
>> problem for eComStation (finding printers that are able to be attached 
>> to OS/2 or eComStation systems) may be addressed.  Not all printers 
>> have CUPS drivers but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have 
>> OS/2 drivers !
>>
>> Great News !!
>>
>>
> Hope so.
> 
> Although I wonder now what could have happened to the win32 printer 
> project.
> 
> 
I suspect we have a greater chance of success with a port of CUPS that 
with WIN32PRN. I did some testing for the WIN32PRN project and it's a 
very complex (and hence "fragile" - i.e. one small change and it wont 
work) solution.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:25:08 +1030
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

HI Ed,

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> =============================================
>>>>
>>> The big question is - are "win-printers" supported by CUPS, not just 
>>> postscript and PCL printers (we have drivers for those already).
>>
>>
>> Dunno about true 'winprinters' but check out www.linuxprinting dot org
>>
>> cups + gutenprint = vast majority of printers supported...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Paul.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm particularly interested in getting my Brother MFC620CN working - It 
> has Linux CUPS and LPD driver files on the Brother website, not only for 
> printing, but also for faxing - it also has SANE drivers for scanning,

If you recall - we looked at the SANE driver for scanning and it relies 
on closed source libraries - I wonder about the cups driver?  This is 
network connected?

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:24:50 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Paul Smedley wrote:
> HI Ed,
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>
>> =============================================
>>>>>
>>>> The big question is - are "win-printers" supported by CUPS, not just 
>>>> postscript and PCL printers (we have drivers for those already).
>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno about true 'winprinters' but check out www.linuxprinting dot org
>>>
>>> cups + gutenprint = vast majority of printers supported...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Paul.
 
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm particularly interested in getting my Brother MFC620CN working - 
>> It has Linux CUPS and LPD driver files on the Brother website, not 
>> only for printing, but also for faxing - it also has SANE drivers for 
>> scanning,
> 
> If you recall - we looked at the SANE driver for scanning and it relies 
> on closed source libraries - I wonder about the cups driver?  This is 
> network connected?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul.

I'm not so worried about the SANE driver as I can "scan to card" and 
then transfer either via FTP or USB MSD to the PC.

The Brother site says the CUPS drivers are for USB or Network connected.

http://solutions.brother dot com/linux/en_us/

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:04:55 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Ed Durrant ha scritto:
> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>> Ed Durrant ha scritto:
>>> It was great to see in the latest Netlabs newsletter reference to a 
>>> new project eCUPS
>>>
>>> http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups
>>>
>>> Whose aim is to bring the Common Unix Printer Support (CUPS) to OS/2 
>>> and eComStation !
>>>
>>> Hoping that the CUPS configuration files that work under Unix or 
>>> Linux will work under the final OS2/eCS version, means that one 
>>> MAJOR problem for eComStation (finding printers that are able to be 
>>> attached to OS/2 or eComStation systems) may be addressed.  Not all 
>>> printers have CUPS drivers but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers 
>>> than have OS/2 drivers !
>>>
>>> Great News !!
>>>
>>>
>> Hope so.
>>
>> Although I wonder now what could have happened to the win32 printer 
>> project.
>>
>>
> I suspect we have a greater chance of success with a port of CUPS that 
> with WIN32PRN. I did some testing for the WIN32PRN project and it's a 
> very complex (and hence "fragile" - i.e. one small change and it wont 
> work) solution.
>
So it looks like the CUPS thing will be a major breakthrough. The 
WIN32PRN project isn't (wasn't ?)  a Netlabs project, is it?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:59:41 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Hi Kris,

On 7/11/2006, "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut at kolibrieweg.eu> wrote:
>So it looks like the CUPS thing will be a major breakthrough. The
>WIN32PRN project isn't (wasn't ?)  a Netlabs project, is it?

win32prn was being done by Vitali ??? in Ukraine.  IIRC the source was
purchased by Mensys with the aim of finishing the project.

Everyone needs to be careful about getting too excited about CUPS.  Yes
it will/should be a 'major breakthrough' however there is still a
bunch of work to be done on it to get it working 100%.

My time is pretty limited right now - but I'd hope to have something
within the next two months.  I'm on vacation for a month starting
December 19th - in the meantime I'll do what I can in the
evening/weekend.

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:51:34 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> Ed Durrant ha scritto:
>> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>> Ed Durrant ha scritto:
>>>> It was great to see in the latest Netlabs newsletter reference to a 
>>>> new project eCUPS
>>>>
>>>> http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups
>>>>
>>>> Whose aim is to bring the Common Unix Printer Support (CUPS) to OS/2 
>>>> and eComStation !
>>>>
>>>> Hoping that the CUPS configuration files that work under Unix or 
>>>> Linux will work under the final OS2/eCS version, means that one 
>>>> MAJOR problem for eComStation (finding printers that are able to be 
>>>> attached to OS/2 or eComStation systems) may be addressed.  Not all 
>>>> printers have CUPS drivers but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers 
>>>> than have OS/2 drivers !
>>>>
>>>> Great News !!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hope so.
>>>
>>> Although I wonder now what could have happened to the win32 printer 
>>> project.
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect we have a greater chance of success with a port of CUPS that 
>> with WIN32PRN. I did some testing for the WIN32PRN project and it's a 
>> very complex (and hence "fragile" - i.e. one small change and it wont 
>> work) solution.
>>
> So it looks like the CUPS thing will be a major breakthrough. The 
> WIN32PRN project isn't (wasn't ?)  a Netlabs project, is it?
> 
> 
I think what you say is correct - I can't remember if any organisation 
like Netlabs was/is backing Win32Prn or not.
I hope this is a major breakthrough.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:04:17 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting

Hi

Those of you who visited my "computer room" during a MelbPC OS/2 Users
Group outing many years ago, might remember it looking something like this :-

<http://www.os2site.com/photo/ComputerRoom.jpg> With ISDN lines,
and a couple of clients hosted servers.

A few years ago I re arranged it, and amalgamated the servers, and finally
I've gotten around to taking some photos, see below.

<http://www.os2site.com/photo/ServerRoom1.jpg>
<http://www.os2site.com/photo/ServerRoom2.jpg>
<http://www.os2site.com/photo/ServerRoom3.jpg>

Looks a bit bare now :-)

The top computer is ns1 dot comkal dot net, with secondary mailserver/ircd and
primary dns, the case is one I shoehorned a replacement motherboard
into back in 1998, for anyone that thinks it reminds them of an ancient
3Com Terminal Server :-)

The bottom computer has everything else, mail/ftp/http/smtp/pop/dns/lists
mysql/perl etc. A second ADSL is fed into the network from upstairs,
which will move downstairs when I get around to rewiring. The TP
network cabling comes in on the board under the power points.

If one fails, its all replicated on the other.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Never test the depth of the water with both feet.
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Date:  Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:14:30 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Those of you who visited my "computer room" during a MelbPC OS/2 Users
> Group outing many years ago, might remember it looking something like this :-
> 
> <http://www.os2site.com/photo/ComputerRoom.jpg> With ISDN lines,
> and a couple of clients hosted servers.
> 
> A few years ago I re arranged it, and amalgamated the servers, and finally
> I've gotten around to taking some photos, see below.
> 
> <http://www.os2site.com/photo/ServerRoom1.jpg>
> <http://www.os2site.com/photo/ServerRoom2.jpg>
> <http://www.os2site.com/photo/ServerRoom3.jpg>
> 
> Looks a bit bare now :-)
> 
> The top computer is ns1 dot comkal dot net, with secondary mailserver/ircd and
> primary dns, the case is one I shoehorned a replacement motherboard
> into back in 1998, for anyone that thinks it reminds them of an ancient
> 3Com Terminal Server :-)
> 
> The bottom computer has everything else, mail/ftp/http/smtp/pop/dns/lists
> mysql/perl etc. A second ADSL is fed into the network from upstairs,
> which will move downstairs when I get around to rewiring. The TP
> network cabling comes in on the board under the power points.
> 
> If one fails, its all replicated on the other.
> 
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
> 
> Never test the depth of the water with both feet.

>  

> 
Hi Ian,

    Thanks for this insight into your computer room.  I suspect I may 
have more computer & comms equipment in my home Office than you do in 
your data centre now !

    Are the servers OS/2 or Linux ??

    It might be nice for you right a breif article for os2ezine or voice 
on the setup if you have the time, since you and your os2site dot com are 
well known in the OS/2 & eComStation community.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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