Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1350
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:01:26 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 16 August 2006
 Number  1350
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Broadband : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
2  Re:  Broadband : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
3  Re:  Broadband : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  Broadband : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Broadband : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Broadband : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Disobedient Icon : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Disobedient Icon : Peter Moylan <peter at ozebelg dot org>
9  Re:  Disobedient Icon : Michael/Gail Peters" <mandgpeters at bigpond dot com>
10  Re:  Disobedient Icon : Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
11  Re:  Broadband : Leigh Bunting <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>
12  Re:  Broadband : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:55:02 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for a 
> few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making the 
> connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from getting 
> B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want to remove 
> it unless I bought Bigpond B/B.
> 
> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode 
> Dialup to B/B.
> 
> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* 
> <http://www.opennw dot com/products/broadband/624.php>* *
> 
> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15?
> 
> Thanks for any help.

I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty much 
platform agnostic.

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:32:40 -0600
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> 
> Leigh Bunting wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for 
>> a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making 
>> the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from 
>> getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want 
>> to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B.
>>
>> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode 
>> Dialup to B/B.
>>
>> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* 
>> <http://www.opennw dot com/products/broadband/624.php>* *
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
> 
> I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty much 
> platform agnostic.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul.

The only routers I have had any problems with are the ones from US 
Robotics.  I don't think they ever try to configure them with anything 
except exploder.

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/
505-286-3191

"You can't defeat 1000 armed dwarfs merely by being not-romantic." C S Lewis

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:15:14 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for a 
> few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making the 
> connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from getting 
> B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want to remove 
> it unless I bought Bigpond B/B.
> 
> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode 
> Dialup to B/B.
> 
> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* 
> <http://www.opennw dot com/products/broadband/624.php>* *
> 
> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Leigh Bunting
> Colonel Light Gardens
> South Australia
> <Open Windows and let the bugs in>

> 
 
>  

This looks to be a pretty standard ADSL 2/2+ router. You connect to it 
via ethernet. The reference to their "easy set up software" could be a 
problem however, normally these things have a web based interface, so 
you should be able to access this "easy set up" software using firefox 
or similar.

Give Internode a call - they are one of the few ISPs that actually know 
what OS/2 and eComstation is and they always try to be OS agnostic, so 
it would surprise me if you have any issues with them.

You also need to know if the local exchange you are connected to has had 
an Internode DSLAM installed and if so, if it's an ADSL 2+ DSLAM, if not 
you may be connected to a 1,5Mb/s maximum speed Telstra ADSL DSLAM even 
though you are with Internode. The distance from the exchange and 
quality of line will also affect what speed you will be able to attain.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:27:35 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Also Leigh,

Consider the advantages of VoIP before deciding on a modem

Your ISP will probably have a VoIP option and it is worth considering.

With VoIP you can get Telstra to give you a Homeline Budget service. You 
will not find mention of this service plan on the Telstra web site, it 
costs $18.40 per month. Add on the $10 per month for VoIP, or whatever 
your ISP charges, and then make almost all calls for 10/12 cents per 
minute. I can make a phone call to a mobile phone in Norway cheaper than 
I can to one in Australia.
Anyway it's worth while considering.

Regards

Dennis.

Chuck McKinnis wrote:

>
>
> Paul Smedley wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Leigh Bunting wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which 
>>> for a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through 
>>> making the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me 
>>> from getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they 
>>> didn't want to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B.
>>>
>>> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my 
>>> Internode Dialup to B/B.
>>>
>>> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* 
>>> <http://www.opennw dot com/products/broadband/624.php>* *
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>> I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty 
>> much platform agnostic.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Paul.
>
>
> The only routers I have had any problems with are the ones from US 
> Robotics.  I don't think they ever try to configure them with anything 
> except exploder.
>
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:38:43 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Alternatively you can add a device such as a Netcomm V300, inline after 
your modem. This device adds QoS (Quality of service) and prioritises 
the VOIP traffic that it generates from its built in ATA (Analogue 
Telephone Adapter) - you simply plu a normal telephone into the V300.

You will need a VOIP provider in addition to your ISP (or possibly your 
ISP may also supply this service). You can switch VOIP providers without 
having to switch ISPs, it's a separate function.

The Internode network itself has QoS enabled os it ought to be a very 
good network for VOIP.

There are a lot of competing VOIP providers - I use MyNetPhone now and 
am happy with the service and the prices.

While discussing extra functions for your possible ADSL router - you 
might also want to consider getting one with WiFi capability built in.

By the way, you don't have to buy your router from your ISP, although 
they often have some discounted prices to make it attractive to you to 
do so, and they're likely to be able to help you more quickly if 
problems occur and you are using a model of router that they know.

Cheers/2

Ed.

  Dennis Nolan wrote:
> Also Leigh,
> 
> Consider the advantages of VoIP before deciding on a modem
> 
> Your ISP will probably have a VoIP option and it is worth considering.
> 
> With VoIP you can get Telstra to give you a Homeline Budget service. You 
> will not find mention of this service plan on the Telstra web site, it 
> costs $18.40 per month. Add on the $10 per month for VoIP, or whatever 
> your ISP charges, and then make almost all calls for 10/12 cents per 
> minute. I can make a phone call to a mobile phone in Norway cheaper than 
> I can to one in Australia.
> Anyway it's worth while considering.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dennis.
> 
> 
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Paul Smedley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Leigh Bunting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which 
>>>> for a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through 
>>>> making the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me 
>>>> from getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they 
>>>> didn't want to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B.
>>>>
>>>> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my 
>>>> Internode Dialup to B/B.
>>>>
>>>> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* 
>>>> <http://www.opennw dot com/products/broadband/624.php>* *
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty 
>>> much platform agnostic.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>
>>
>> The only routers I have had any problems with are the ones from US 
>> Robotics.  I don't think they ever try to configure them with anything 
>> except exploder.
>>
 
> 
> 

> 

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:37:26 +1000
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Hi Leigh,

Getting back to your broadband option; what ever unit you get ignore the 
windows installation instructions and go for the ethernet connection 
(get a unit with ethernet not just usb).  Most windows installations 
tell you to setup the unit as a pseudo MODEM type USB modem similar to a 
dial up connection.  That's crap.  Use ethernet and assign TCPIP to your 
nic in ECS's Network adapters and protocols, make sure the nic is 
activated in TCPIP config and set DHCP according to your ISP's request.  
You may have to enter the ip address of the router in the Host Names tab 
of TCPIP config "Lan name server" but other than that, all info from 
your ISP will go into the router's config, which is usually accessible 
with a web browser (get a unit that can be accessed with a browser).

I'm with Telstra and have DHCP activated on my nic.  My router is a 
netcomm NB1300 +4.  It a good unit but not gigabit I'm afraid.

Word of warning though.  If you go with Telstra and can't browse the web 
or receive e-mails, it may not be your setup.  It's Telstra's problem 
(although they won't admit it).  If you can't access the router's setup 
screens in a web browser, then that is a setup problem.  Just check DHCP 
and Lan name server as stated above.

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for 
> a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making 
> the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from 
> getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want 
> to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B.
>
> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode 
> Dialup to B/B.
>
> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* 
> <http://www.opennw dot com/products/broadband/624.php>* *
> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Leigh Bunting
> Colonel Light Gardens
> South Australia
> <Open Windows and let the bugs in>

>  
 
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:23:05 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disobedient Icon

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Alan Duval wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently installed Lucide and it put an icon on the desktop  below 
>> a horizontal line of icons although that line had plenty of space. I 
>> dragged it into line with the other icons but everytime I reboot the 
>> Lucide icon is back below the others. I have tried locking it in 
>> place but the same thing happens. Any ideas why this is happening?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan Duval
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
> In desktop properties - desktop tab, do you have the "save desktop 
> properties" option clicked ?
>
Yes

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:36:32 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at ozebelg dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Disobedient Icon

Alan Duval wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Alan Duval wrote:
>> 
>>> I recently installed Lucide and it put an icon on the desktop
>>> below a horizontal line of icons although that line had plenty of
>>> space. I dragged it into line with the other icons but everytime
>>> I reboot the Lucide icon is back below the others. I have tried
>>> locking it in place but the same thing happens. Any ideas why
>>> this is happening?

>> In desktop properties - desktop tab, do you have the "save desktop
>>  properties" option clicked ?
>> 
> Yes

Just a long shot, but have you tried editing the title of the icon? If
it can't fit on the row you selected then it might have a very long
title (e.g. the title might have a lot of trailing spaces that you
haven't noticed).

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at ozebelg dot org
                                       peter.moylan at optusnet dot com dot au
                                       http://www.pmoylan dot org

Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses.  The domain
eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer
receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses.  The optusnet
address could disappear at any time.
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:42 +1000
From:  "Michael/Gail Peters" <mandgpeters at bigpond dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Disobedient Icon

Alan,

   You are exiting the desktop with a right hand mouse button
and then selecting shut down, aren't you ? You have to do that
to solidly position the icon first time around. CAD and switch
off wont do it. Just a thought.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Duval" <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re:  Disobedient Icon

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> Alan Duval wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently installed Lucide and it put an icon on the desktop  below a 
>>> horizontal line of icons although that line had plenty of space. I 
>>> dragged it into line with the other icons but everytime I reboot the 
>>> Lucide icon is back below the others. I have tried locking it in place 
>>> but the same thing happens. Any ideas why this is happening?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan Duval

>>>
>>> 

>>>
>> In desktop properties - desktop tab, do you have the "save desktop 
>> properties" option clicked ?
>>
> Yes
>

> 

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:49:46 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disobedient Icon

Michael/Gail Peters wrote:

> Alan,
>
>   You are exiting the desktop with a right hand mouse button
> and then selecting shut down, aren't you ? You have to do that
> to solidly position the icon first time around. CAD and switch
> off wont do it. Just a thought.
>
> Mike

Thanks Michael. That worked. I had previously put the power icon on my 
desktop so that by right clicking it I could access the power off option 
to switch off completely. Previous to that I had always used right 
clicking on the desktop, then selecting shutdown and then turning off 
the computer manually.

Trust you are finding country living enjoyable.

Regards,

Alan Duval
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:58:27 +0930
From:  Leigh Bunting <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Thanks for all your help. Lots to digest with the responses.

Internode seem to have a VoIP-like system called NodePhone 
<http://www.internode.on dot net/nodephone/>. Might explore that a little 
further.

The exchange isn't far away, but we've had some issues with the phone 
line with a shower of rain killing it off after a week. The fault was 
600m from my house. Dial-up has been a bit patchy since, so it remains 
to be seen how fast the broadband connection will be. If and when we get 
another shower of rain that finds a weakness in the system, it could all 
prove very testing (sic).

Thanks again guys.

Leigh

Ed Durrant wrote:

> You will need a VOIP provider in addition to your ISP (or possibly 
> your ISP may also supply this service). 

-- 
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
<Open Windows and let the bugs in>

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:40:59 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Broadband

Before an ADSL service is installed, Telstra will check the line. I'm 
sorry to say, that if the line is as flakey as you say, they are likely 
not to install the service.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Leigh Bunting wrote:
> Thanks for all your help. Lots to digest with the responses.
> 
> Internode seem to have a VoIP-like system called NodePhone 
> <http://www.internode.on dot net/nodephone/>. Might explore that a little 
> further.
> 
> The exchange isn't far away, but we've had some issues with the phone 
> line with a shower of rain killing it off after a week. The fault was 
> 600m from my house. Dial-up has been a bit patchy since, so it remains 
> to be seen how fast the broadband connection will be. If and when we get 
> another shower of rain that finds a weakness in the system, it could all 
> prove very testing (sic).
> 
> Thanks again guys.
> 
> Leigh
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> You will need a VOIP provider in addition to your ISP (or possibly 
>> your ISP may also supply this service). 
> 

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