Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1339
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:00:45 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 26 July 2006
 Number  1339
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
2  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
3  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at skynet.be>
5  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Leigh Bunting <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:08:37 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Dennis Nolan wrote:
> If dontknow is returned then it displays
No, it doesn't then
> a This browser doest support Javascript-based Flash detection message.
>
It's displayed when openeing www.fx.dk with OPERA/2. Because Opera/2 
doesn't support cascading sheets (CSS).
> To me it looks like the web page authors have done all that they can.
>
> The question is what is returned  by the
>
> navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
> function call
> and what flash level is being detected.
>
No, it's not about detecting Flash, it's about an underlying string somewehere in one of the scripts. Java-script or maybe java-script in conflict with a CSS. For as you well aware off both systems are nothing buth macros, and it could be well the one macro disables the other and viceversa.
Flash is not the issue!
And the fact Opera/2 halts before CSS can be executed indicates the main problem lies in a CSS somewhere. 

Actually, it would be easy for them to sort out the error by loading their pages (mind the plural) into www.validator dot org

But that would not resolve the main problem. For as I told before, after detectiong the error they (likely) would have to alter the entire stite, because everything that comes after is practically only Flash. 

And, as I told before too, I had the very same problem with that site already 3 years ago. Anybody willing to comply to html standards would already have resolved the matter a long time ago. Even my 3 banks have done so!

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:16:21 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Incidentally, opening www.fx.dk with Opera/2 returns this:

http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/fxdk.jpg

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:34:52 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

> Incidentally, opening www.fx.dk with Opera/2 returns this:
>
> http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/fxdk.jpg
>
Well I can see three places where it displays "This browser does not 
support Javascript based flash detection"
So the flash detection function has correctly determined that Opera2 
does not support flash. So the detector is working correctly.

If the page renders ok with Firefox on WinXP and with Firefox on 
Linux(suse) but not with Firefox on Ecs, I would look first at the Ecs 
Firefox, Javascript and the Flash plugin.

As for the Javascript causing Firefox to crash, I'm not convinced that 
this is what is happening as the script is used firstly to detect the 
browser and flash version and secondly to cause Firefox to create the 
Flash object and thirdly to control the visibility of various elements 
on the page. In other words it modifies the document that Firefox is 
reading.
Basicly the script is only used to modify the version of flash in the 
document. Firefox renders according to what it understands of the 
document. Things in the document that Firefox doesn't understand, it 
ignores. Ergo, Firefox crashing is because of something Firefox has 
done. And my first target would be the Flash plugin, or because Flash is 
a windows object, Flash itself.

I have given up trying to have Firefox and Flash, it always seemed more 
trouble than it was worth.
In my experience Firefox crashes had two major causes, Flash and Firefox 
using the wrong dll files.
If I need to see a flash site I do it in either XP or Linux.

However the html on the site is an abomination with tables for page 
layout, invalid attributes applied to tags and inline styles.
Note the Warp reference in the following snippet.

         <td width="33%" valign="top"> 
            <table width="90%" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="0" height="114">
            <tr> 
              <td class="subtext" valign="top"><br>
                Migrate to a standards based multi-platform (<a href="http://www.microsoft dot com/">Win32</a>, <a href="http://www.linux dot org/">Linux</a>, <a href="http://www.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/">OS/2</a>) software product 
                to streamline the enterprise, reduce costs and facilitate rapid future 
                expansion. Go backstage to get familiarized with the unique benefits and the key objectives.<br> </td>

              <td><a href="objectives-platforms.html"><img src="../pics/os.gif" alt="Multi-Platform Software" width="80" height="60" border=0></a></td>
            </tr>
            </table>
         </td>

I find it ironic that FX Communications are advertising and advocating 
the use of standards based and multi-platform products on a presentation 
which isn't.

Regards
Dennis.

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Date:  Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:09:33 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at skynet.be>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>
> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, opening www.fx.dk with Opera/2 returns this:
>>
>> http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/fxdk.jpg
>>
> Well I can see three places where it displays "This browser does not 
> support Javascript based flash detection"
> So the flash detection function has correctly determined that Opera2 
> does not support flash. So the detector is working correctly.
>
This is becoming very tedious.

NO! It's saying flash DETECTION does not work. JAVA-SCRIPT BASED FLASH DETECTION!

Opera/2 supports Flash, and Flash 7.63 is installed here. Yes, Flash 7.63 (you only have to install the windy flash *dll into the Opera/2 plugins directory).

You can read, can't you?

From the on Webster dictionnary:

detection  \di-tek-sion\ noun (15th century)
1 :  the act of detecting :  the state or fact of being detected
2 :  the process of demodulating

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:12:01 +0930
From:  Leigh Bunting <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Does anyone else see the same thing I do ?
>
>  When going to http://www.fx.dk

Hi Guys,

I don't have any problem with the website. Running 
eCS1.15/Mozilla1.7.12/Flash 5 plug-in.

-- 
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
<Open Windows and let the bugs in>

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