Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1338
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:02:02 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 25 July 2006
 Number  1338
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
2  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
3  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
4  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
5  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
11  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
12  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Peter Moylan <peter at ozebelg dot org>
13  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
14  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
15  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
16   Results with new (AU$59) ASUS DVD Burner : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
17  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
18  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
19   Top News Story of the Day - AMD to buy ATI : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
20  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:22:43 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:03:16 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:20:11 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>>Hi Ian, Ed,
>
>Hi all.
>
>I tried it here with Flashblock on my Fifefox
>Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060606
>Firefox/1.5.0.4
>
>but Flashblock disabled.
>
>Home pages comes up fine. Flash working away - I don't like Flash sites,
>though.
>
>I could see and access all links from the page both Flash and static.

Sorry all, posted too fast.

Have now repeated with Flashblock v 1.5.1 on. 

Flash elements satisfactorily blocked, could be removed etc. 

When permitted and restored, it looked exactly as when I first did it
without Flashblock.

>>As I said to him - if one isn't running a current version of FF and 
>>isn't running FLASH and is using an old stable IBM JAVA then there's no 
>>problem there at FX.dk!
>
>Mike, what do I supply so we can make a helpful comparison with Ed's
>system?

<sigh>Once you read what you've written you see instantly how the sentence
could have been improved.

What information would be useful, Mike?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:20:27 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Hi John, and everyone else :-)

I'm running Flash v7 R61 under OS/2, which versions are others using ?
Might add that it also happens with Flash v7 r15, and r19, I cant remember
if fx website worked ok in earlier versions.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I'm okay-It's only a flesh wound. Get that file uploaded!
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:29 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Hi John,

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:03:16 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:

 >On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:20:11 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
 >
 >>Hi Ian, Ed,
 >
 >Hi all.
 >
 >I tried it here with Flashblock on my Fifefox
 >Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060606
 >Firefox/1.5.0.4
 >
 >but Flashblock disabled.
 >
 >Home pages comes up fine. Flash working away - I don't like Flash sites,
 >though.
 >
 >I could see and access all links from the page both Flash and static.

Sorry all, posted too fast.

Have now repeated with Flashblock v 1.5.1 on.

Flash elements satisfactorily blocked, could be removed etc.

When permitted and restored, it looked exactly as when I first did it
without Flashblock.

 >>As I said to him - if one isn't running a current version of FF and
 >>isn't running FLASH and is using an old stable IBM JAVA then there's no
 >>problem there at FX.dk!
 >
 >Mike, what do I supply so we can make a helpful comparison with Ed's
 >system?

<sigh>Once you read what you've written you see instantly how the sentence
could have been improved.

What information would be useful, Mike?

Hi John,

I don't have any problem with the site whatsoever, as noted - but I'm 
currently working on collated bits and pieces of my formerly [prior to 
the lightning-strike-up the ADSL-line] operational systems.  I think 
that Ed is the one having problems - his system blew-up, metaphorically 
speaking,  and he seems to have some residual problems.

I have some here too, and am in the process of *really* cleaning up all 
my filing system and directory structures, and eliminating a lot of the 
long-since superseded Browsers and Mailers.  My "normal" mail machine 
was the only one to completely lose its main HDD - dead as a doorstop, 
which was all it was (almost) useful for - but went out in the trash, as 
I don't like stubbing my toes! SCSI drives lived through it but HBAs blown!

My main problem here is that I have Mozilla/IWB 
Suite/Thunderbird/firefox/Netscape "profiles", and many shortly to 
become redundant, duplicates|safety backups of these scattered across 6 
system units and about 20 HDDs.
I'm progressively manually setting the mail & Newsgroups settings to 
point to yet another system to collate all the mail into a fixed 
repository, which I will then backup to DVD. But the Thunderbird on this 
machine, 1.0x, although it will receive and display mail/news messages, 
will not allow me to respond to or create an original message, as it is 
unable to create a window for it!

Have never encountered this problem with any other member of the NS/Moz 
family. So every time I need to respond to e.g. this last message of 
yours, I have to close TB, and FF which I am using to keep the BoM's 
Radar loop running constantly, {as we're getting Thunderstorms here at 
the moment associated with a trough that is only edging slowly further 
eastwards, so the storms are coming in from the NNW ahead of it - and as 
it was my professional job for nearly 40 years, I take a great interest 
in T-Storms, and have always had a very healthy respect for them - even 
when, as in the beginning of the 60s at Port Hedland [population 600, 
half white!], the cliudbase was 25,000 ft with tops to 80,000 ft, in 
continnuous lines 600 miles long, almost up to Broome, that persisted 
for 12-14 hours non-stop, with lightning so constant and fierce, it was 
impossible to read a newspaer by the illumination (with ones eyes 
shut!), and with the memory of April 4th 2006 here very much in mind!}, 
and repoint os2web.exe to the current mail-store to do so!

I do have just-recently superseded Seamonkey 1.0.1 on some of my 
systems, but due to burnt NICs, they are incommunicado currently.

Well it's coming down cats and dogs at the moment so I think I'll just 
shut the entire system down and unplug everything, including the phone 
and ADSL lines,  yet again.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:11:49 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

HI Guys,

John Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:20:11 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>> As I said to him - if one isn't running a current version of FF and 
>> isn't running FLASH and is using an old stable IBM JAVA then there's no 
>> problem there at FX.dk!
> 
> Mike, what do I supply so we can make a helpful comparison with Ed's
> system?

afair it's only a problem with the leaked flash 7 release - not with the 
old flash 5 plugin

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:51:19 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

It's interesting to see that the contact person from the website is no 
longer Bjarne, so the resonse I get may be different.

Also the problem doesn't belong to the Mozilla people as the windows 
version of Firefox works correctly with the site - it's the os/2 flash 
plugin that seems to be the one that doesn't like the way that the flash 
entries have been coded on this website.

Cheers/2

Ed.

The point I raised with FX Communications is no whose "fault" it is but 
rather that because of the problem, they will lose prospective customers.

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Ed
> 
>> Maybe we should let them (him) know as most people would just give up 
>> and go elsewhere.
> 
> I let Bj know over a year ago, he said to talk to the mozilla people,
> not his problem, sigh, yes it is...... but the more people that let him know
> the better. Happens under the old Mozilla suite, and Seamonkey as well.
> 
>> Does Flashblock, block all flash content from all sites ?
> 
> Yes, unless you allow it.
> 
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
> 
> "Waiter, there's no fly in my soup!"  -- Kermit the frog

>  

> 

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:23:17 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

I just got a reply from Bjarne explaining the problem that the site was 
created by an external company, unfortunately one that doesn't use OS/2 
so for the site to be changed would cost money.

It's FX Communications that suffers the most through this as a less 
technical eComStation or OS/2 user who comes to a site that cancels his 
or her browser will simply not go there again.

cheers/2

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi Mike
> 
> The website looks fine to me as well, as I simply dont have flash on this
> computer, only on my study PC with OS/2 (This one's my workshop AIX
> box) but have flashblock on my other OS/2 PC which works a charm for
> those sites I have problems with. The fx site's problem is purely to do
> with flash.
> 
>> I just sent Ed privately a GIF of what I see here, (working on an A.S.P. 
>> machine canibalised from other damaged ones). running Fireox 1.04 with 
>> JAVA 1.3.1 from 2002 and with NO Flash whatsoever installed on this 
>> boot-partition [ eCS 1.13 ]. The home-page appears absolutely normal {to 
>> me}, and I took the link to the Dialler product and that is the page I 
>> sent to Ed, along with my (zipped html) about:plugins page.
>>
>> As I said to him - if one isn't running a current version of FF and 
>> isn't running FLASH and is using an old stable IBM JAVA then there's no 
>> problem there at FX.dk!
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:33:12 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

John Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:20:11 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ian, Ed,
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I tried it here with Flashblock on my Fifefox
> Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060606
> Firefox/1.5.0.4
> 
> but Flashblock disabled.
> 
> Home pages comes up fine. Flash working away - I don't like Flash sites,
> though.
> 
> I could see and access all links from the page both Flash and static.
> 
Hi John, on the basis of what you said here, I just downloaded and 
installed Flashblock and with flashblock disabled, the browser still 
aborts at www.fx.dk - perhaps you meant with flash disabled by 
flashblock rather than flashblock disabled ??

Flashblock is OK, as a solution as if you want to see the flash content 
(presuming it is playable) you can click on the displayed F icon and it 
plays - a very useful extension add-in !

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:34:49 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ian Manners wrote:
> Hi John, and everyone else :-)
> 
> I'm running Flash v7 R61 under OS/2, which versions are others using ?
> Might add that it also happens with Flash v7 r15, and r19, I cant remember
> if fx website worked ok in earlier versions.
> 
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
> 
> I'm okay-It's only a flesh wound. Get that file uploaded!

>  

> 
I'm using the same version as you Ian.

Ed.
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:20:36 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

> Ian Manners wrote:
>> Hi John, and everyone else :-)
>>
>> I'm running Flash v7 R61 under OS/2, which versions are others using ?
>> Might add that it also happens with Flash v7 r15, and r19, I cant 
>> remember
>> if fx website worked ok in earlier versions.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ian Manners
>> http://www.os2site dot com/
>>
>
If the problem does not occur with Flash v5 (which may just bring up the 
"you need to get a new plugin" message, then, since v7 was never 
officially released, and hence supported, I think the only option is to 
go with flashblock extension.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:55:51 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ed Durrant schreef:

> I just got a reply from Bjarne explaining the problem that the site 
> was created by an external company, unfortunately one that doesn't use 
> OS/2 so for the site to be changed would cost money.
>
That's bullshit. It's his responsability anyway. And above all, he 
should sack the company making  websites that bad.

> It's FX Communications that suffers the most through this as a less 
> technical eComStation or OS/2 user who comes to a site that cancels 
> his or her browser will simply not go there again.
>
Actually, what he is saying is he doesn't want eCs users.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:58:49 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ed Durrant schreef:

>>>
>>
> If the problem does not occur with Flash v5 (which may just bring up 
> the "you need to get a new plugin" message, then, since v7 was never 
> officially released, and hence supported, I think the only option is 
> to go with flashblock extension.
>
>
It happens here with Flash 7.63 as well.

Let's face the facts: the guy doesn't want eCS users, so let's forget 
about him.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:59:00 +1000
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at ozebelg dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ed Durrant wrote:
> I just got a reply from Bjarne explaining the problem that the site
> was created by an external company, unfortunately one that doesn't
> use OS/2 so for the site to be changed would cost money.

If a website designer is charging good money for a site that doesn't
conform to standards, and doesn't work for the intended clients, then
the customer should ask for an immediate fix, or for his money back. If
that doesn't work, I imagine a volunteer from the OS/2 community would
be willing to do a slight modification to Bjarne's web pages adding
something like "THE FAULTS ON THIS WEB SITE WERE CAUSED BY COMPANY XYZ.
DON'T GET THEM TO DESIGN YOUR WEB SITE, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DEVELOP
NON-FAULTY CODE."

As it happens, it's my opinion (and, I've noticed, the opinion of many
other people) that any web site using Flash is ipso facto a faulty web
site; it's a sin even worse that posting to a newsgroup using Google
Groups. That, however, is a different question.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at ozebelg dot org
                                       peter.moylan at optusnet dot com dot au
                                       http://www.pmoylan dot org
Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses.  The domain
eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer
reliably receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses.
The optusnet address still has about 2 months of life left.
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:37:41 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Gents,

On 25/7/2006, "Peter Moylan" <peter at ozebelg dot org> wrote:

>Ed Durrant wrote:
>> I just got a reply from Bjarne explaining the problem that the site
>> was created by an external company, unfortunately one that doesn't
>> use OS/2 so for the site to be changed would cost money.
>
>If a website designer is charging good money for a site that doesn't
>conform to standards, and doesn't work for the intended clients, then
>the customer should ask for an immediate fix, or for his money back. If
>that doesn't work, I imagine a volunteer from the OS/2 community would
>be willing to do a slight modification to Bjarne's web pages adding
>something like "THE FAULTS ON THIS WEB SITE WERE CAUSED BY COMPANY XYZ.
>DON'T GET THEM TO DESIGN YOUR WEB SITE, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DEVELOP
>NON-FAULTY CODE."
>
>As it happens, it's my opinion (and, I've noticed, the opinion of many
>other people) that any web site using Flash is ipso facto a faulty web
>site; it's a sin even worse that posting to a newsgroup using Google
>Groups. That, however, is a different question.

Who's to say the problem is in the flash code and not in the os/2
implementation of the flash 7 wrapper.  Does the code work on Windows
with the same level version of the flash plugin? - if so then the
website developer can't really be blamed (IMHO).

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:13:54 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ed Durrant schreef:

>
> Also the problem doesn't belong to the Mozilla people as the windows 
> version of Firefox works correctly with the site - it's the os/2 flash 
> plugin that seems to be the one that doesn't like the way that the 
> flash entries have been coded on this website.

As a follow up, it's not even a flash problem, but, very predictable, it's about a javascript problem:

****
This browser does not support Javascript-based Flash detection.
*****

So there is an error somewhere in the javascript that triggers the eCS brand of mozilla to crash. And that's why flashblock doesn't help either. 
In other words, the site is internet exploder based (this one skips quite a lot of javascript errors) and it's just a coincidence mozilla for windy doesn't crash too.

My bottom line is: fx communications doens't support eCS.

And by the way, web sites constructed and based on flash alone are made by louzy programmers. They should be sacked, not paid.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:26:19 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Peter Moylan schreef:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> I just got a reply from Bjarne explaining the problem that the site
>> was created by an external company, unfortunately one that doesn't
>> use OS/2 so for the site to be changed would cost money.
>
>
> If a website designer is charging good money for a site that doesn't
> conform to standards, and doesn't work for the intended clients, then
> the customer should ask for an immediate fix, or for his money back.

Quite right.

And as I proved in an earlier message, the javascript there is at fault.

> be willing to do a slight modification to Bjarne's web pages adding
> something like "THE FAULTS ON THIS WEB SITE WERE CAUSED BY COMPANY XYZ.
> DON'T GET THEM TO DESIGN YOUR WEB SITE, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DEVELOP
> NON-FAULTY CODE."
>
Only thing we can do is to ditch fx comunications.

> As it happens, it's my opinion (and, I've noticed, the opinion of many
> other people) that any web site using Flash is ipso facto a faulty web
> site;

Using flash in an intelligent way is good. However,  if you take Flash 
as the base (as fx comm did), you can't alter anything anymore 
afterwards. If you would want to change 1 single character you would't 
be able to do it,no, you would have to redo the entire site from scratch 
in order to succeed.

So here you have the reason why they are not willing to correct their 
errors.

Bottom line: if  fx communications doesn't want to sack his webmaster, 
we better sack fx communications.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:34:07 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   Results with new (AU$59) ASUS DVD Burner

For those looking to add or upgrade to a DVD Burner in their OS/2 or 
eComstation ssystem, and are located near to a Strathfield Audio store, 
they currently have an ASUS DRW-1608P35 Multi-burner to read and write 
DVD+-R, DVD+-RW, DVD-RAM and of course also CD-R and CD-RW disks. DVD 
burning is possible up to 16X speed or 8X speed if burning dual layer 
(8.5GB) disks.

For AUS$59 it's a real bargain and works flawlessly with CDrecord/2 and 
DVDDAO freeware software under OS/2.

This is a standard PATA EIDE device.

My average speed burning a 4.5GB DVD-R (16X blanks DVD-R - AU$22.95 for 
50 also from Strathfields) worked out at 10X - taking just ten minutes 
to burn the complete 4.5GB of data.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:42:00 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> 
> Ed Durrant schreef:
> 
>> I just got a reply from Bjarne explaining the problem that the site 
>> was created by an external company, unfortunately one that doesn't use 
>> OS/2 so for the site to be changed would cost money.
>>
> That's bullshit. It's his responsability anyway. And above all, he 
> should sack the company making  websites that bad.
> 
>> It's FX Communications that suffers the most through this as a less 
>> technical eComStation or OS/2 user who comes to a site that cancels 
>> his or her browser will simply not go there again.
>>
> Actually, what he is saying is he doesn't want eCs users.
> 
> 
Apart from you last comment (business is business after all and you 
don't cut off prospective customers by choice), I agree with you. I 
think FX simply made a bad choice of web designing company. They 
probably wont use them again (or one would hope not !).

Ed.
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Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:29:48 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Ed Durrant schreef:

>>
> Apart from you last comment (business is business after all and you 
> don't cut off prospective customers by choice),

Reality says we aren't prospective customers at all.

> I agree with you. I think FX simply made a bad choice of web designing 
> company. They probably wont use them again (or one would hope not !).
>
>
No they won't. Their site is in that state for over 3 years, and already 
in early days I've sent them a request. The reply was we (os2-ecs users) 
aren't worth the while anymore.

We better face the facts.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   19 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:06:20 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:   Top News Story of the Day - AMD to buy ATI

Kris,

Use your brain!

See http://www.theinquirer dot net/default.aspx?article=33223 for thr reasons!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   20 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:39:41 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2

Just for curiosity I have just had a look at the javascript and though I 
have no experience in that language it seems to be very comprehensive.
The getFlashVersion function
 first checks for the user agent, testing for mozilla3
then for NS3+ Opera3+ IE5+ and MAC
with Flash versions from 3 to 7
then if it finds IE4+ with Win32 it tries to create an ActiveX object 
using VBscript
It also checks for WebTV 2.5 as that supports flash 3 and flash 2 for 
older versions of WebTV
finally if none of the above tests are positive it returns a dontknow result

The inline code calls the getFlashVersion and if the version returned is 
 >=5 then the flash section is activated
if the flash version is < 5 it shows a gif image
If dontknow is returned then it displays a This browser doest support 
Javascript-based Flash detection message.

To me it looks like the web page authors have done all that they can.

The question is what is returned  by the

navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
function call
and what flash level is being detected.

Mozilla should be the same regardles of OS, same for Javascript and the flash plugin.

Obviously one of them is not playing ball.

Regards
Dennis.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
>>
>> Also the problem doesn't belong to the Mozilla people as the windows 
>> version of Firefox works correctly with the site - it's the os/2 
>> flash plugin that seems to be the one that doesn't like the way that 
>> the flash entries have been coded on this website.
>
>
> As a follow up, it's not even a flash problem, but, very predictable, 
> it's about a javascript problem:
>
> ****
> This browser does not support Javascript-based Flash detection.
> *****
>
> So there is an error somewhere in the javascript that triggers the eCS 
> brand of mozilla to crash. And that's why flashblock doesn't help 
> either. In other words, the site is internet exploder based (this one 
> skips quite a lot of javascript errors) and it's just a coincidence 
> mozilla for windy doesn't crash too.
>
> My bottom line is: fx communications doens't support eCS.
>
> And by the way, web sites constructed and based on flash alone are 
> made by louzy programmers. They should be sacked, not paid.
>
>

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