Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1298
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:01:11 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 20 May 2006
 Number  1298
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Subjects for today
 
1   Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
2   Connection test : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
3  Re:  ECS 1.1 install problems : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
8  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>

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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 12:09:49 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:   Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

Hi All,
	My venerable Lexmark 5700 is starting to show it's age. Not in it's
abilities to work, but in my ability to find ink cartridges for it. Most
notably the Photo cartridge (the 12A1990). The last one Lexmark themselves
sent to us, but it must be really old stock as the Magenta and Cyan colours
are really, really dull. The end result is like I've made it look like a
cepia cartridge!

	So, I'm looking for a relatively new (so hopefully ink cartridges
will be available for the next few years) and OS/2 friendly InkJet in the
1200x1200 - 2400x2400 dpi range. I realize that new and OS/2 friendly may
be mutually exclusive. But one can only ask.

	I am extremely interested in finding out about anyone's experiences
who wishes to share.

	I'm looking for a reasonable printer will reasonably priced
replacement cartridges.

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9395-1504   Internet:   chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
FAX:    +61-3-9395-7633   Web Page:   http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au
Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 4293, Hoppers Crossing DC, VIC 3029, AUSTRALIA

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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 13:25:34 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Connection test

I have been receiving posts from other subscribers, but I am not 
receiving copies of my own posts.
This is to query two things.
Over the last few days I received a message from a lady who was not 
receiving email from me.
When I replied to her messages, she got them. When I sent from the 
address book they disappeared without a bounce message being returned. 
The address appeared identical.

So the address for this message is from the address book.

If I get it sent to me then my service is running correctly.

Regards

Dennis.

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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 13:29:27 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ECS 1.1 install problems

I have not been posted a copy of my previous post which is repeated here.
This is addressed from replying to an earlier post from os2genau
I hope that I get a copy of it.

I have been receiving posts from other subscribers, but I am not 
receiving copies of my own posts.
This is to query two things.
Over the last few days I received a message from a lady who was not 
receiving email from me.
When I replied to her messages, she got them. When I sent from the 
address book they disappeared without a bounce message being returned. 
The address appeared identical.

So the address for this message is from the address book.

If I get it sent to me then my service is running correctly.

Regards

Dennis.

>
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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 14:43:46 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:09:49 +1000 (EST), Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:

>Hi All,

Hi Chris.

>	My venerable Lexmark 5700 is starting to show it's age. Not in it's
>abilities to work, but in my ability to find ink cartridges for it. Most
>notably the Photo cartridge (the 12A1990). The last one Lexmark themselves
>sent to us, but it must be really old stock as the Magenta and Cyan colours
>are really, really dull. The end result is like I've made it look like a
>cepia cartridge!

Hmm, based on this experience/problem, I would suggest that you start with your
favourite supplier of compatible cartridges (out here in the east of sunny
Melbourne, I use a place called Laserrib, others I know use Cartridge World) to
check for cartridge availability first.

Ask about common, value-for-money carts especially sep black and colour sets,
and which printers they go in.

>
>	So, I'm looking for a relatively new (so hopefully ink cartridges
>will be available for the next few years) and OS/2 friendly InkJet in the
>1200x1200 - 2400x2400 dpi range. I realize that new and OS/2 friendly may
>be mutually exclusive. But one can only ask.

After the cartridge aspect is covered, you can narrow down your search for
printers
	NOT Win/Lose-printers
	NOT USB only printers
	NOT Canon printers (probably - their OS/2 support was horrid some time
ago)

and see what's left with reasonable OS/2 driver support.

I have found Epson and HP to be well represented, and then Lexmark.

The only inkjet model I have is an Epson Stylus C61, since we are mainly
business users - hence laser and black only printing. We paid under $A100 for
it 18 months ago.
 
>	I am extremely interested in finding out about anyone's experiences
>who wishes to share.

Driver support in eCS/OS/2 is fine if you use the German Stylus drivers, and
select C60 as the model.

Compatible carts for the C61 are about $24 each, and black is separate from
3-colour. Our use is very light - less than 100 pages per month of simple
black/red business reports and rarely a colour 'quick-print' of a piccie.

We probably don't get our usage value out of the carts but we only buy one set
a year so it doesn't break the bank...

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... If a train station is where the train stops, what is a work station?

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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 12:49:30 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

HI Chris

Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	My venerable Lexmark 5700 is starting to show it's age. Not in it's
> abilities to work, but in my ability to find ink cartridges for it. Most
> notably the Photo cartridge (the 12A1990). The last one Lexmark themselves
> sent to us, but it must be really old stock as the Magenta and Cyan colours
> are really, really dull. The end result is like I've made it look like a
> cepia cartridge!
> 
> 	So, I'm looking for a relatively new (so hopefully ink cartridges
> will be available for the next few years) and OS/2 friendly InkJet in the
> 1200x1200 - 2400x2400 dpi range. I realize that new and OS/2 friendly may
> be mutually exclusive. But one can only ask.
> 
> 	I am extremely interested in finding out about anyone's experiences
> who wishes to share.
> 
> 	I'm looking for a reasonable printer will reasonably priced
> replacement cartridges.

Why not look at laser?  Now-a-days they're becoming quite cheap to buy, 
but better still, very cheap to run.  While my toner cartridges are 
$175.00 to buy, they're rated at 10,000 pages.  How many pages are 
claimed out of each of your ink cartridges at the mo?  Where a typical 
colour inkjet costs around 25c/page printing cost (5% coverage and all 
that), a typical colour laser costs around 2.5c/page.  After owning 3 HP 
DeskJets and 1 Canon BubbleJet, I did the maths on my Brother colour 
laser (before I bought it) and figured that total cost of ownership was 
less than half that of the inkjets.  Btw, the Brother I bought is a 
network printer and has drivers and instructions for OS/2 setup and 
operation (as well as Linux, Solaris, Mac and Windows)

Any'ow, only a suggestion
Cheers
Kev

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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 15:24:49 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

Hi Kev,

As far as I am aware, the Laser Printer repair industry unofficially rates
Brother Lasers as the WORST in Australia for spares availability and
absolutely NO service.!   I hope YMMV.

I am currently using a QMS Magicolor2 Laser printer that was given to
me.  It works in os/2 etc and is about 1999 or earlier vintage.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
20 May 2006   15:22

On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:49:30 +0800, Kev wrote:
<SNIP>

> Btw, the Brother I bought is a 
> network printer and has drivers and instructions for OS/2 setup and 
> operation (as well as Linux, Solaris, Mac and Windows)
> 
> Any'ow, only a suggestion
> Cheers
> Kev

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 15:31:55 +1000
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

Hi Chris

Just had my Epson Photo 810 printer die on me and I have just spent some
time looking for another one. I want to be able to print photos so I
stuck with the inkjet printers and was looking for six colour printers.

I ended up settling on an Epson Stylus Photo R210 for $149 + delivery of
$25 from ausmedia. I think they are in Melbourne.

I have it connected to a Linux server running Cups and using the driver
from Japan Avaya. I then network to it from my eCS machine and my
daughters win2k machine. I used the Epson 810 Gimp print PPD to build a
postscript driver for the new printer (I couldn't get the R210 PPD to
work yet) and use this driver from eCS. It could be directly connected
as well when using this driver but I think you have to use Ghostscript.

I need to share the printer so this was easier as the Linux box is
always running, and this way I didn't need to have my machine running
for my daughter to print, especially as I also run Win XP
(unfortunately) and Fedora core 5 and I could be in any one of them when
she wants to print.

It is possible and ausmedia will help, to set up the printer to be a
continuous ink printer which greatly reduces the cost of the ink and
print per page.

HTH

regards
Ken

John Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:09:49 +1000 (EST), Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
> 
> Hi Chris.
> 
>> 	My venerable Lexmark 5700 is starting to show it's age. Not in it's
>> abilities to work, but in my ability to find ink cartridges for it. Most
>> notably the Photo cartridge (the 12A1990). The last one Lexmark themselves
>> sent to us, but it must be really old stock as the Magenta and Cyan colours
>> are really, really dull. The end result is like I've made it look like a
>> cepia cartridge!
> 
> Hmm, based on this experience/problem, I would suggest that you start with your
> favourite supplier of compatible cartridges (out here in the east of sunny
> Melbourne, I use a place called Laserrib, others I know use Cartridge World) to
> check for cartridge availability first.
> 
> Ask about common, value-for-money carts especially sep black and colour sets,
> and which printers they go in.
> 
>> 	So, I'm looking for a relatively new (so hopefully ink cartridges
>> will be available for the next few years) and OS/2 friendly InkJet in the
>> 1200x1200 - 2400x2400 dpi range. I realize that new and OS/2 friendly may
>> be mutually exclusive. But one can only ask.
> 
> After the cartridge aspect is covered, you can narrow down your search for
> printers
> 	NOT Win/Lose-printers
> 	NOT USB only printers
> 	NOT Canon printers (probably - their OS/2 support was horrid some time
> ago)
> 
> and see what's left with reasonable OS/2 driver support.
> 
> I have found Epson and HP to be well represented, and then Lexmark.
> 
> The only inkjet model I have is an Epson Stylus C61, since we are mainly
> business users - hence laser and black only printing. We paid under $A100 for
> it 18 months ago.
>  
>> 	I am extremely interested in finding out about anyone's experiences
>> who wishes to share.
> 
> Driver support in eCS/OS/2 is fine if you use the German Stylus drivers, and
> select C60 as the model.
> 
> Compatible carts for the C61 are about $24 each, and black is separate from
> 3-colour. Our use is very light - less than 100 pages per month of simple
> black/red business reports and rarely a colour 'quick-print' of a piccie.
> 
> We probably don't get our usage value out of the carts but we only buy one set
> a year so it doesn't break the bank...
> 
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________
> 
> PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
> ... If a train station is where the train stops, what is a work station?
> 
> 

>  

> 
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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 15:41:13 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

John Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:09:49 +1000 (EST), Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
> 
> Hi Chris.
> 
>> 	My venerable Lexmark 5700 is starting to show it's age. Not in it's
>> abilities to work, but in my ability to find ink cartridges for it. Most
>> notably the Photo cartridge (the 12A1990). The last one Lexmark themselves
>> sent to us, but it must be really old stock as the Magenta and Cyan colours
>> are really, really dull. The end result is like I've made it look like a
>> cepia cartridge!
> 
> Hmm, based on this experience/problem, I would suggest that you start with your
> favourite supplier of compatible cartridges (out here in the east of sunny
> Melbourne, I use a place called Laserrib, others I know use Cartridge World) to
> check for cartridge availability first.
> 
> Ask about common, value-for-money carts especially sep black and colour sets,
> and which printers they go in.
> 
>> 	So, I'm looking for a relatively new (so hopefully ink cartridges
>> will be available for the next few years) and OS/2 friendly InkJet in the
>> 1200x1200 - 2400x2400 dpi range. I realize that new and OS/2 friendly may
>> be mutually exclusive. But one can only ask.
> 
> After the cartridge aspect is covered, you can narrow down your search for
> printers
> 	NOT Win/Lose-printers
> 	NOT USB only printers
> 	NOT Canon printers (probably - their OS/2 support was horrid some time
> ago)
> 
> and see what's left with reasonable OS/2 driver support.
> 
> I have found Epson and HP to be well represented, and then Lexmark.
> 
> The only inkjet model I have is an Epson Stylus C61, since we are mainly
> business users - hence laser and black only printing. We paid under $A100 for
> it 18 months ago.
>  
>> 	I am extremely interested in finding out about anyone's experiences
>> who wishes to share.
> 
> Driver support in eCS/OS/2 is fine if you use the German Stylus drivers, and
> select C60 as the model.
> 
> Compatible carts for the C61 are about $24 each, and black is separate from
> 3-colour. Our use is very light - less than 100 pages per month of simple
> black/red business reports and rarely a colour 'quick-print' of a piccie.
> 
> We probably don't get our usage value out of the carts but we only buy one set
> a year so it doesn't break the bank...
> 
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________
Another aftermarket cartridge supplier that I have used is:

ValuePrint (http://www.valueprint dot net dot au/index.htm), however they don't 
list Lexmark, so another choice I am presently using cartridges from is:

http://www.ecbinkjet dot com dot au/

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 15:51:03 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

Ed Durrant wrote:
> John Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:09:49 +1000 (EST), Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>
>> Hi Chris.
>>
>>>     My venerable Lexmark 5700 is starting to show it's age. Not in it's
>>> abilities to work, but in my ability to find ink cartridges for it. Most
>>> notably the Photo cartridge (the 12A1990). The last one Lexmark 
>>> themselves
>>> sent to us, but it must be really old stock as the Magenta and Cyan 
>>> colours
>>> are really, really dull. The end result is like I've made it look like a
>>> cepia cartridge!
>>
>> Hmm, based on this experience/problem, I would suggest that you start 
>> with your
>> favourite supplier of compatible cartridges (out here in the east of 
>> sunny
>> Melbourne, I use a place called Laserrib, others I know use Cartridge 
>> World) to
>> check for cartridge availability first.
>>
>> Ask about common, value-for-money carts especially sep black and 
>> colour sets,
>> and which printers they go in.
>>
>>>     So, I'm looking for a relatively new (so hopefully ink cartridges
>>> will be available for the next few years) and OS/2 friendly InkJet in 
>>> the
>>> 1200x1200 - 2400x2400 dpi range. I realize that new and OS/2 friendly 
>>> may
>>> be mutually exclusive. But one can only ask.
>>
>> After the cartridge aspect is covered, you can narrow down your search 
>> for
>> printers
>>     NOT Win/Lose-printers
>>     NOT USB only printers
>>     NOT Canon printers (probably - their OS/2 support was horrid some 
>> time
>> ago)
>>
>> and see what's left with reasonable OS/2 driver support.
>>
>> I have found Epson and HP to be well represented, and then Lexmark.
>>
>> The only inkjet model I have is an Epson Stylus C61, since we are mainly
>> business users - hence laser and black only printing. We paid under 
>> $A100 for
>> it 18 months ago.
>>  
>>>     I am extremely interested in finding out about anyone's experiences
>>> who wishes to share.
>>
>> Driver support in eCS/OS/2 is fine if you use the German Stylus 
>> drivers, and
>> select C60 as the model.
>>
>> Compatible carts for the C61 are about $24 each, and black is separate 
>> from
>> 3-colour. Our use is very light - less than 100 pages per month of simple
>> black/red business reports and rarely a colour 'quick-print' of a piccie.
>>
>> We probably don't get our usage value out of the carts but we only buy 
>> one set
>> a year so it doesn't break the bank...
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> John Angelico
>> OS/2 SIG
>> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>> ___________________
> Another aftermarket cartridge supplier that I have used is:
> 
> ValuePrint (http://www.valueprint dot net dot au/index.htm), however they don't 
> list Lexmark, so another choice I am presently using cartridges from is:
> 
> http://www.ecbinkjet dot com dot au/
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

If you're feeling adventureous, you could also try refilling the cartridges:

http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/Inktec-refill-kit-for-Lexmark-12A1990-photo-cartridge_W0QQitemZ6882833923QQcategoryZ105878QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:26 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Looking for OS/2 & Windows Friendly InkJet

Hi Guys,

John Angelico wrote:
> Driver support in eCS/OS/2 is fine if you use the German Stylus drivers, and
> select C60 as the model.
> 
> Compatible carts for the C61 are about $24 each, and black is separate from
> 3-colour. Our use is very light - less than 100 pages per month of simple
> black/red business reports and rarely a colour 'quick-print' of a piccie.

I've also got a Epson C61 - but have been using compatible cartridged 
from ebay for $4 ea + delivery.

The last ones I got were from: 
<http://stores.ebay dot com dot au/Cedge-Online_Comsumable_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ16QQftidZ2QQtZkm>

Note I have no association with this guy - just a happy customer!

Cheers,

Paul.
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