Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1253
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:03:16 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 30 January 2006
 Number  1253
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Subjects for today
 
1   USB mouse Config.sys statements : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
3  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
4  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
5  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
6  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
8  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
10  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
12  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
14  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:07:12 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   USB mouse Config.sys statements

Hi,

   Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
support a usb-connected mouse please ?

   Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or is 
its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?

   I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I have 
all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but at boot 
time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load usbmouse.sys, no 
other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:11:54 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Ed

Here is what I have in my config.sys in their relative order

DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBPRT.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBMOUSE.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBKBD.SYS
DEVICE=C:\ECS\BOOT\USBRESMG.SYS
rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS

BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS

BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD
rem BASEDEV=USBCDROM.ADD

The USBMSD is required for USB memory (Mass Storage) devices like memory 
sticks and cameras. From memory you also require the USBKBD with a USB 
mouse even if you do not have an USB keybord.

You also need the same number of USB?HCD.SYS statements as USB ports. I 
have four USB ports, hence 4 statements. It does not matter how many 
ports are used, one statement for each available port is required.

Regards
Dennis.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
> support a usb-connected mouse please ?
>
>   Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
> likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or 
> is its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
> usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?
>
>   I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I have 
> all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but at 
> boot time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load usbmouse.sys, 
> no other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
 
>
> 

>

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:33:08 +1030
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Hi guys,

On 29/1/2006, "Dennis Nolan" <djn at aanet dot com dot au> wrote:

>Here is what I have in my config.sys in their relative order
>
>
>DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBPRT.SYS
>DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBMOUSE.SYS
>DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBKBD.SYS
>DEVICE=C:\ECS\BOOT\USBRESMG.SYS
>rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS
>
>
>BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
>BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
>BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
>
>BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD
>rem BASEDEV=USBCDROM.ADD
>
>The USBMSD is required for USB memory (Mass Storage) devices like memory
>sticks and cameras. From memory you also require the USBKBD with a USB
>mouse even if you do not have an USB keybord.
usbkbd should only be required for a keyboard.  Amouse for eg only
installs usbmouse...

>You also need the same number of USB?HCD.SYS statements as USB ports. I
>have four USB ports, hence 4 statements. It does not matter how many
>ports are used, one statement for each available port is required.

Not quite..... only a single instance of usbehcd is required regardless
of how many ubs 2.0 ports are available.

Multiple instances of usbuhcd or usbohcd (depending on intel of
via/nvidia usb 1.1 controller) are required depending how many usb 1.1
controllers are on the motherboard.  With older boards, it seemed like
each usb 1.1 controller could only handle 2 usb ports, but with my new
Asus board, only a single instance of usbohcd.sys is required for the
10x usb ports on the motherboard.

hcimonit.exe will tell you how many of each controller are detected.

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:28:48 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Hi Ed,

I recently re-installed eCS 1.2r on my laptop and have since reverted to
eCS 1.1 from archive (personal reasons, no problems to speak of).

In one of the many installs I elected to NOT install USB support.
What was surprising was that my laptop was using a external USB
mouse which continued to work all the way through and past the 
eCS final installation phase.

So, to answer your question, NO USB drivers where required and NO
USB entries at all appeared in my config.sys file.

I don't know if this is a normal condition or not.  My Laptop is a second
hand IBM T30  Pentium 4 laptop.

YMMV,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
30 January 2006   10:27

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:07:12 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>    Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
> support a usb-connected mouse please ?
> 
>    Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
> likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or is 
> its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
> usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?
> 
>    I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I have 
> all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but at boot 
> time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load usbmouse.sys, no 
> other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

>  

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:08:59 +1030
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Hi Bob,

On 30/1/2006, "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote:

>I recently re-installed eCS 1.2r on my laptop and have since reverted to
>eCS 1.1 from archive (personal reasons, no problems to speak of).
>
>In one of the many installs I elected to NOT install USB support.
>What was surprising was that my laptop was using a external USB
>mouse which continued to work all the way through and past the
>eCS final installation phase.
>
>So, to answer your question, NO USB drivers where required and NO
>USB entries at all appeared in my config.sys file.
>
>I don't know if this is a normal condition or not.  My Laptop is a second
>hand IBM T30  Pentium 4 laptop.

If the BIOS has 'USB Legacy support On' or similar - then it makes a
USB keyboard/mouse appear as if they're connected via PS/2.

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:43:45 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

On Mon, January 30, 2006 10:38 am, Paul Smedley wrote:

> On 30/1/2006, "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote:

>> In one of the many installs I elected to NOT install USB support.
>> What was surprising was that my laptop was using a external USB
>> mouse which continued to work all the way through and past the eCS final
>> installation phase.
>>
>> So, to answer your question, NO USB drivers where required and NO
>> USB entries at all appeared in my config.sys file.

yes, I've also seen that on a desktop, usb mouse/keybd OK without drivers

> If the BIOS has 'USB Legacy support On' or similar - then it makes a
> USB keyboard/mouse appear as if they're connected via PS/2.

aha, so that's what's that for...
thanks for explanation !

-- 
Voytek

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:20:39 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Robert Traynor (BobT) schreef:

>So, to answer your question, NO USB drivers where required and NO
>USB entries at all appeared in my config.sys file.
>
>I don't know if this is a normal condition or not.  My Laptop is a second
>hand IBM T30  Pentium 4 laptop.
>
>  
>
And what mouse exactly are we speaking about?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:21:42 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Paul Smedley schreef:

>>hand IBM T30  Pentium 4 laptop.
>>    
>>
>
>If the BIOS has 'USB Legacy support On' or similar - then it makes a
>USB keyboard/mouse appear as if they're connected via PS/2.
>
>  
>
Alas, TP40 and later don't have this option anymore.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:18:22 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Ed Durrant schreef:

> Hi,
>
>   Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
> support a usb-connected mouse please ?
>
Install  the usbmouse package to begin with.

>   Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
> likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or 
> is its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
> usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?
>
The install does everthing that has to be done in your place.

>   I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I have 
> all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but at 
> boot time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load usbmouse.sys, 
> no other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.

Well, all logitech mice I had hitherto worked excellent. 

Other mice were a problem, due to IRQ-USB conflicts. Even most USB 2.00 mice don't work. Especially devices coming in two aprts don't work (keyb + mouse etc...). And on the newet Tinkpads (T43 and later) even Logitech mice don't work anymore.

The reason simple: alas the eCS usb drivers aren't good enough. ((-:

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:21:47 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Hi Dennis,

   Yes got all of that - the question is what other mouse statements do 
you have ?

i.e. do you also have an active line with mouse.sys and vmouse.sys ??

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dennis Nolan wrote:
> Ed
> 
> Here is what I have in my config.sys in their relative order
> 
> 
> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBPRT.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBMOUSE.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBKBD.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\ECS\BOOT\USBRESMG.SYS
> rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS
> 
> 
> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
> BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
> 
> BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD
> rem BASEDEV=USBCDROM.ADD
> 
> The USBMSD is required for USB memory (Mass Storage) devices like memory 
> sticks and cameras. From memory you also require the USBKBD with a USB 
> mouse even if you do not have an USB keybord.
> 
> You also need the same number of USB?HCD.SYS statements as USB ports. I 
> have four USB ports, hence 4 statements. It does not matter how many 
> ports are used, one statement for each available port is required.
> 
> Regards
> Dennis.
> 
> 
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>   Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
>> support a usb-connected mouse please ?
>>
>>   Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
>> likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or 
>> is its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
>> usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?
>>
>>   I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I have 
>> all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but at 
>> boot time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load usbmouse.sys, 
>> no other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
> 
 
> 
> 

> 

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:45:58 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Ed

Yep sorry about that but:

DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS

It was part of the standard install and so as a standard install 
includes drivers that may be required and not only the drivers of the 
detected devices, I have no idea on weather they are realy necessary.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi Dennis,
>
>   Yes got all of that - the question is what other mouse statements do 
> you have ?
>
> i.e. do you also have an active line with mouse.sys and vmouse.sys ??
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>> Ed
>>
>> Here is what I have in my config.sys in their relative order
>>
>>
>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBPRT.SYS
>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBMOUSE.SYS
>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBKBD.SYS
>> DEVICE=C:\ECS\BOOT\USBRESMG.SYS
>> rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS
>>
>>
>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
>> BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
>>
>> BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD
>> rem BASEDEV=USBCDROM.ADD
>>
>> The USBMSD is required for USB memory (Mass Storage) devices like 
>> memory sticks and cameras. From memory you also require the USBKBD 
>> with a USB mouse even if you do not have an USB keybord.
>>
>> You also need the same number of USB?HCD.SYS statements as USB ports. 
>> I have four USB ports, hence 4 statements. It does not matter how 
>> many ports are used, one statement for each available port is required.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dennis.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>   Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
>>> support a usb-connected mouse please ?
>>>
>>>   Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
>>> likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or 
>>> is its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
>>> usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?
>>>
>>>   I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I 
>>> have all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but 
>>> at boot time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load 
>>> usbmouse.sys, no other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>
 
>
> 

>

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:03:01 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> On Mon, January 30, 2006 10:38 am, Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
>> On 30/1/2006, "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote:
> 
>>> In one of the many installs I elected to NOT install USB support.
>>> What was surprising was that my laptop was using a external USB
>>> mouse which continued to work all the way through and past the eCS final
>>> installation phase.
>>>
>>> So, to answer your question, NO USB drivers where required and NO
>>> USB entries at all appeared in my config.sys file.
> 
> 
> yes, I've also seen that on a desktop, usb mouse/keybd OK without drivers
> 
>> If the BIOS has 'USB Legacy support On' or similar - then it makes a
>> USB keyboard/mouse appear as if they're connected via PS/2.
> 
> aha, so that's what's that for...
> thanks for explanation !
> 
> 
I'm pretty sure I have that turned on, but I'll check. And no mouse 
support, except when I have a PS/2 mouse connected to the PS/2 port.

The reason I want to use a USB mouse is because, that's what the AU$8.00 
"bargain box" KVM, I picked up at north rocks computer market supports !

Cheers/2

Ed.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:14:17 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
.. Even most USB 2.00
> mice don't work. Especially devices coming in two aprts don't work (keyb 
> + mouse etc...). And on the newet Tinkpads (T43 and later) even Logitech 
> mice don't work anymore.
> 
> The reason simple: alas the eCS usb drivers aren't good enough. ((-:
> 
Hi Kris,

   You may have hit the point there - these are both coming down the 
same USB port. - several people have suggest to not even use the 
usbmouse.sys driver, I'll try that once more, but I suspect it could be 
the two devices on one USB port that's the problem.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:17:05 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  USB mouse Config.sys statements

and is
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS
also after the pointdd.sys please ??

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dennis Nolan wrote:
> Ed
> 
> Yep sorry about that but:
> 
> DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS
> 
> It was part of the standard install and so as a standard install 
> includes drivers that may be required and not only the drivers of the 
> detected devices, I have no idea on weather they are realy necessary.
> 
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>>   Yes got all of that - the question is what other mouse statements do 
>> you have ?
>>
>> i.e. do you also have an active line with mouse.sys and vmouse.sys ??
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Here is what I have in my config.sys in their relative order
>>>
>>>
>>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBPRT.SYS
>>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBMOUSE.SYS
>>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBKBD.SYS
>>> DEVICE=C:\ECS\BOOT\USBRESMG.SYS
>>> rem DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS
>>>
>>>
>>> BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
>>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>>> BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
>>> BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
>>> BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
>>>
>>> BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD
>>> rem BASEDEV=USBCDROM.ADD
>>>
>>> The USBMSD is required for USB memory (Mass Storage) devices like 
>>> memory sticks and cameras. From memory you also require the USBKBD 
>>> with a USB mouse even if you do not have an USB keybord.
>>>
>>> You also need the same number of USB?HCD.SYS statements as USB ports. 
>>> I have four USB ports, hence 4 statements. It does not matter how 
>>> many ports are used, one statement for each available port is required.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dennis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>   Can anyone clarify for me what is required to be in config.sys to 
>>>> support a usb-connected mouse please ?
>>>>
>>>>   Are there any parameters to go on either usbmouse.sys or (more 
>>>> likely) mouse.sys ? Should I infact leave mouse.sys in config.sys or 
>>>> is its logic already in usbmouse.sys. Does mouse.sys have to proceed 
>>>> usbmouse.sys as when one uses a serial mouse ?
>>>>
>>>>   I want to have support for usb connected keyboard and mouse - I 
>>>> have all that is required enabled in the system's CMOS settings, but 
>>>> at boot time, OS/2 returms the message that it cannot load 
>>>> usbmouse.sys, no other information excepy that it cannot be loaded.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>
>>>> Ed.
> 
>>>>

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