Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1240
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:03:10 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 14 January 2006
 Number  1240
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
4  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
6  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
7  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Tom Perrett" <tomp at st dot net dot au>
10   Finding run_060.zip : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
11  Re:  Finding run_060.zip : Tom Perrett" <tomp at st dot net dot au>
12  Re:  Speaking of Firefox... : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:19:11 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Thanks guys for that.

Peter:
    I must say I haven't experienced any of those problems you 
mentioned.  I'm now running both FF and TB without any SET parameters or 
RUN and they play nicely together (FF mailto problem aside).  Main 
reason I kicked the suggested parameters is because FF would always 
start with a million tabs despite setting a home page, and launching a 
link from e-mail would open multiple tabs as well.  Had no idea there 
was an rc2 of thunderbird.  Might try to find it.

Cheers
G

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>> Do Firefox and Thunderbird play nicely these days?  Which versions
>>>  work together?
>>>
>
>> I use 1.5RC1 of both programs. I'd like to use 1.5GA - which is 
>> available in an OS/2 form for Fiewfox, but not for Thunderbird yet 
>> (AFAIK).
>
> I use RUN! by Rich Walsh (look for run_060.zip if you don't know it) to
> run both of them: 1.5GA Firefox, and 1.5RC2 Thunderbird. (I also tried
> 1.5rc1 of Thunderbird, but found it to be too buggy to be useful.) They
> seem to play well together, although now that I think of it I rarely try
> to e-mail from Firefox. (I've stopped putting mailto: links on my web
> pages, and that seems to have stopped the spammers from finding my new
> addresses (so far!).) Firefox 1.5 works very nicely. The latest
> Thunderbird still has a few bugs:
>
> (a) If you ever select the option to compact a folder, there is no way
> (to my knowledge) to turn it off, and you will be nagged forever by a
> popup asking for confirmation. This bug has been in every release of
> Thunderbird that I've tried.
>
> (b) The "account settings" dialogue attempts to take over the entire
> screen - this seems to be the standard trick of all "clueless newbie"
> HTML coders - and there's no way to resize it. That means that if your
> screen height is reduced by a WPS extender like eCenter or PC/2 (I use
> both), the top of the dialogue disappears off the top of the screen.
> This is a new bug; previous versions worked properly.
>
> (c) My copy seemed to change the location of the "Local Folders"
> directory, leading to great confusion as to which files should be where.
> I'm not sure whether that's a Thunderbird bug or a change I made
> accidentally.
>
> (d) On one of my POP3 accounts the mail is fetched correctly when
> Thunderbird is opened, but every 10 minutes after that I get two popups
> asking me (twice!) for the password for that account. (Correction: this
> evening it has decided to start asking me three times on each fetch.)
> That password does not get recorded by the Password Manager no matter
> what I do, although obviously it's recorded somewhere because the
> initial fetch works.
>
> I'm sorry to say, too, that no release of Thunderbird has ever fixed the
> most annoying bug of all: when you create a new account, "post in HTML"
> is the default behaviour, and it's easy to forget to turn it off.
>
> The "rewrap" function now works for quoted text, but not for original
> text. And you have to use "rewrap" every now and then while you're
> typing, because the default "plain text" line length is something like
> 200 characters. The only way to see what you're typing as you're typing
> it, without forever scrolling left and right, is to maximise the window.
> In other words, the Thunderbird developers seem to have adopted the
> Microsoftism that nobody ever multitasks.
>
> But in any case the "rewrap" affects only what you see at the sending
> end. The text always goes out in the (nonstandard?) "format=flawed"
> form, which is a nuisance because a lot of mail readers can't handle 
> that.
>
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:34:13 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox still 
won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.

Cheers
G
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:58:43 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

I have been working on an re-write and update to the old configappl. 
You might want to give it a try and let me know how it does.

http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/webappl.exe

Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.  For Firefox, 
firefox!.exe and for Thunderbird, thunderbird!l.exe.

Gavin Miller wrote:
> Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox still 
> won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.
> 
> Cheers
> G
 
> 
> 

> 
> 

-- 

Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/
505-286-3191

Brain Abort! Brain Abort!
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:21:55 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Hi Chuck,

  That web reference returns a "file not found" error.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> I have been working on an re-write and update to the old configappl. You 
> might want to give it a try and let me know how it does.
> 
> http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/webappl.exe
> 
> Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.  For Firefox, 
> firefox!.exe and for Thunderbird, thunderbird!l.exe.
> 
> Gavin Miller wrote:
>> Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox still 
>> won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.
>>
>> Cheers
>> G
> 
>
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:35:06 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Sorry about that.  Just hit this one and then select the file.

http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/

I put it up in a hurry.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi Chuck,
> 
>  That web reference returns a "file not found" error.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>> I have been working on an re-write and update to the old configappl. 
>> You might want to give it a try and let me know how it does.
>>
>> http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/webappl.exe
>>
>> Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.  For Firefox, 
>> firefox!.exe and for Thunderbird, thunderbird!l.exe.
>>
>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>> Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox still 
>>> won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> G
 
>>
>>
 
> 
> 

> 
> 

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/
505-286-3191

Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:56:14 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Wait a while, it's not quite bread yet.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi Chuck,
> 
>  That web reference returns a "file not found" error.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>> I have been working on an re-write and update to the old configappl. 
>> You might want to give it a try and let me know how it does.
>>
>> http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/webappl.exe
>>
>> Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.  For Firefox, 
>> firefox!.exe and for Thunderbird, thunderbird!l.exe.
>>
>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>> Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox still 
>>> won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> G
 
>>
>>
 
> 
> 

> 
> 

-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/
505-286-3191

To err is human. To really screw up it takes a computer!

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:13:22 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

OK, I was able to download that version however, so the access to the 
file is now OK

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> Wait a while, it's not quite bread yet.
> 
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>>  That web reference returns a "file not found" error.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>>> I have been working on an re-write and update to the old configappl. 
>>> You might want to give it a try and let me know how it does.
>>>
>>> http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/webappl.exe
>>>
>>> Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.  For Firefox, 
>>> firefox!.exe and for Thunderbird, thunderbird!l.exe.
>>>
>>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>>> Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox 
>>>> still won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> G
> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:24:43 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  JunkEmail:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Hi Chuck,

No I guess it's not, but this may help in the baking:

    89 +++  xrc = Value(t_var, t_value);
REX0040:  Error 40 running D:\Desktop\WEBAPPL.EXE, line 89: Incorrect 
call to
routine
    17 +++  Call 256_1015.0 2147484233 1015;
    17 +++  Interpret _VPEventCall;

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> Wait a while, it's not quite bread yet.
>
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>>  That web reference returns a "file not found" error.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>>> I have been working on an re-write and update to the old configappl. 
>>> You might want to give it a try and let me know how it does.
>>>
>>> http://7cities dot net/~mckinnis/code/webappl.exe
>>>
>>> Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.  For Firefox, 
>>> firefox!.exe and for Thunderbird, thunderbird!l.exe.
>>>
>>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>>> Just got Thunderbird 1.5(20060113).  Guessing it's GA.  Firefox 
>>>> still won't launch mailto.  Oh well... no biggie I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> G
> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>>
>
>
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:36:11 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Tom Perrett" <tomp at st dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:58:43 -0700, Chuck McKinnis wrote:

>Highly recommend that you get run060.exe from Hobbes.

At Hobbes and:-

Search results for: run060

0 items matched your search
No files found

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:45:54 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   Finding run_060.zip

Try using run_060.zip in the search.
its in /pub/os2/util/wps

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

What do you do with a manically depressed Robot?
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:55:47 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Tom Perrett" <tomp at st dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Finding run_060.zip

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:45:54 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Try using run_060.zip in the search.
>its in /pub/os2/util/wps

Thanks, that did it.

Tom
Cheers,

Tom       <tomp at st dot net dot au>   Tom Perrett
Proud to be member of Melbourne DPS, first
port of call re Victorian research - http://home.vicnet dot net dot au/~dpsoc

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:09:50 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Speaking of Firefox...

Gavin
I have also for several years had no problems using FF and TB together.
I found that the trick was to completely remove Mozilla which is 
installed when OS/2 is installed.
Then to remove all reference to mozilla from the os2.ini and sys.ini files

I have set up partition e: for Internet and have Internet, plugin and 
profiles sub-directories.
Firefox is installed in e:\Internet\firefox and similar for thunderbird

In either os2.ini or sys.ini there is a reference for the default web 
browser, this entry must be changed to point to 
e:\Internet\firefox\firefox.exe
In the config.sys file I have SET MOZ-PLUGIN-PATH = e:\Plugins
and SET MOZILLA_HOME=e:\Profiles

Now whenever the system needs the default browser firefox starts up.

When I update firefox or thunderbird I expand them into a directory with 
their version number as part of the directory and then drag and drop the 
directory into e:\Internet.
I then open the directory and run the .exe file to test them and as they 
have always seem to work and open where the old version opened. I then 
delete its shadow from my desktop, delete the firefox or thunderbird 
directory then rename the new directory and create a new shadow.

Since I set my system up this way I have never had a problem with 
firefox or thunderbird.
The only thing I can't vouch for is sending email from a web page. I 
don't do it often and I seem to recall it bringing up Thunderbird, 
unfortunately after a quick search of my bookmarks, none of the pages 
seem to have email references.
As I said, you must purge your system of Mozilla and all references to it.
Set up the default web browser reference
and for easy updating keep the profiles separate from the program files.

Regards
Dennis.

Gavin Miller wrote:
> Thanks guys for that.
>
> Peter:
>    I must say I haven't experienced any of those problems you 
> mentioned.  I'm now running both FF and TB without any SET parameters 
> or RUN and they play nicely together (FF mailto problem aside).  Main 
> reason I kicked the suggested parameters is because FF would always 
> start with a million tabs despite setting a home page, and launching a 
> link from e-mail would open multiple tabs as well.  Had no idea there 
> was an rc2 of thunderbird.  Might try to find it.
>
> Cheers
> G
>
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>> Gavin Miller wrote:
>>>> Do Firefox and Thunderbird play nicely these days?  Which versions
>>>>  work together?
>>>>
>>
>>> I use 1.5RC1 of both programs. I'd like to use 1.5GA - which is 
>>> available in an OS/2 form for Fiewfox, but not for Thunderbird yet 
>>> (AFAIK).
>>
>> I use RUN! by Rich Walsh (look for run_060.zip if you don't know it) to
>> run both of them: 1.5GA Firefox, and 1.5RC2 Thunderbird. (I also tried
>> 1.5rc1 of Thunderbird, but found it to be too buggy to be useful.) They
>> seem to play well together, although now that I think of it I rarely try
>> to e-mail from Firefox. (I've stopped putting mailto: links on my web
>> pages, and that seems to have stopped the spammers from finding my new
>> addresses (so far!).) Firefox 1.5 works very nicely. The latest
>> Thunderbird still has a few bugs:
>>
>> (a) If you ever select the option to compact a folder, there is no way
>> (to my knowledge) to turn it off, and you will be nagged forever by a
>> popup asking for confirmation. This bug has been in every release of
>> Thunderbird that I've tried.
>>
>> (b) The "account settings" dialogue attempts to take over the entire
>> screen - this seems to be the standard trick of all "clueless newbie"
>> HTML coders - and there's no way to resize it. That means that if your
>> screen height is reduced by a WPS extender like eCenter or PC/2 (I use
>> both), the top of the dialogue disappears off the top of the screen.
>> This is a new bug; previous versions worked properly.
>>
>> (c) My copy seemed to change the location of the "Local Folders"
>> directory, leading to great confusion as to which files should be where.
>> I'm not sure whether that's a Thunderbird bug or a change I made
>> accidentally.
>>
>> (d) On one of my POP3 accounts the mail is fetched correctly when
>> Thunderbird is opened, but every 10 minutes after that I get two popups
>> asking me (twice!) for the password for that account. (Correction: this
>> evening it has decided to start asking me three times on each fetch.)
>> That password does not get recorded by the Password Manager no matter
>> what I do, although obviously it's recorded somewhere because the
>> initial fetch works.
>>
>> I'm sorry to say, too, that no release of Thunderbird has ever fixed the
>> most annoying bug of all: when you create a new account, "post in HTML"
>> is the default behaviour, and it's easy to forget to turn it off.
>>
>> The "rewrap" function now works for quoted text, but not for original
>> text. And you have to use "rewrap" every now and then while you're
>> typing, because the default "plain text" line length is something like
>> 200 characters. The only way to see what you're typing as you're typing
>> it, without forever scrolling left and right, is to maximise the window.
>> In other words, the Thunderbird developers seem to have adopted the
>> Microsoftism that nobody ever multitasks.
>>
>> But in any case the "rewrap" affects only what you see at the sending
>> end. The text always goes out in the (nonstandard?) "format=flawed"
>> form, which is a nuisance because a lot of mail readers can't handle 
>> that.
>>
 
>
> 

>

-- 

Howard's "Fair Dismissal" means it's fair for sleaze-bag bosses to sack anyone who rejects their sleazy gropings.
How will you explain that to your daughter.

Dennis Nolan
ETU Shopsteward.

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