Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1235
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:03:28 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Sunday 08 January 2006
 Number  1235
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Subjects for today
 
1   LAN Server Ultimedia : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
1   Zip : Michael/Gail Peters" <mandgpeters at bigpond dot com>
2  Re:  Zip : Peter Moylan <peter at ozebelg dot org>
2  Re:  Zip : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Zip : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
4  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia : Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
5  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5   Disk Imaging : Alan Duval <amoht at tpg dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Disk Imaging : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Disk Imaging : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Disk Imaging : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Disk Imaging : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Zip : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Zip : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Disk Imaging : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>

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Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:24:34 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:   LAN Server Ultimedia

Can anyone please tell me what this is and what it does?

TIA,

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9395-1504   Internet:   chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
FAX:    +61-3-9395-7633   Web Page:   http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au
Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 4293, Hoppers Crossing DC, VIC 3029, AUSTRALIA

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Date:  Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:44:20 +1100
From:  "Michael/Gail Peters" <mandgpeters at bigpond dot com>
Subject:   Zip

What flavour of zip should we be currently using with
OS/2/eCS ?

Happy New Year to all you happy frapprs.

Mike Peters
[attachments have been removed]
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Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:06:36 +1100
From:  Peter Moylan <peter at ozebelg dot org>
Subject:  Re:  Zip

Michael/Gail Peters wrote:
> What flavour of zip should we be currently using with OS/2/eCS ?

I'm still happily using the InfoZip version: zip 2.3 and unzip 5.50. I
have a feeling that newer versions have been released, but as far as I
recall the change logs for those newer versions didn't address anything
that would be relevant to an OS/2 user, so there's been no point in
upgrading. Using Association Editor, I've set it up such that unzip is
the default double-click action, since that's the thing I most commonly
want to do to a zip file.

When I want to look inside a zip file before unzipping, or make minor
modifications to something I've just zipped, I use KAZip. I've tried a
variety of other GUI zip utilities, and I still have Archive Viewer
installed (although I never use it except by accident), but I haven't
been satisfied with any of them. KAZip might be old and unsupported, but
it works better than anything else I've seen.

By the way, we OS/2/eCS users are lucky in this respect compared with
Windows users. Whenever I've had to zip anything on Windows, using a
variety of programs that have been recommended as "the best available",
it's been a nightmare. Plenty of eye candy, but the programmers don't
seem to bother about functionality.

-- 
Peter Moylan                          peter at ozebelg dot org
                                       peter.moylan at optusnet dot com dot au
                                       http://www.pmoylan dot org
Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses.  The domain
eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists.
My e-mail addresses at newcastle.edu.au will probably remain "live"
for a while, but then they will disappear without warning.
The optusnet address still has about 6 months of life left.
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Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:03:22 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Zip

>it's been a nightmare. Plenty of eye candy, but the programmers don't
>seem to bother about functionality.

That's alright, neither do the users. Just so long as it looks good.

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9395-1504   Internet:   chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
FAX:    +61-3-9395-7633   Web Page:   http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au
Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 4293, Hoppers Crossing DC, VIC 3029, AUSTRALIA

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Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:42:50 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Zip

Michael/Gail Peters wrote:
> What flavour of zip should we be currently using with
> OS/2/eCS ?
> 
> Happy New Year to all you happy frapprs.
> 
> Mike Peters
> [attachments have been removed]

>  
> ===========================================
No one can say which version you "should" be using but as far as I can 
see, these are the latest versions:

PKZIP v 2.5

ZIP (used by most os/2 zip frontends or from the command line) V 2.31 
(this came out about 2 months ago). what I find strange is the the 
previous version was V 5.41 !!

UNZIP v 5.5

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:16 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia

Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
> Can anyone please tell me what this is and what it does?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> -Chris
> 
> 
Hi Chris,

   If I'm not mistaken, Ultimedia/2 was introduced as a product back in 
the OS/2 1.3 days as a method of transferring multimedia content across 
the LAN (Netbios) at a higher priority than other data. So Video 
Streaming, Audio Streaming etc.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:36:36 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia

You might want to take a look at:

http://www-306.ibm dot com/software/data/umm/features.html

-- 

Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/
505-286-3191

i souport publik edekashun.
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Date:  Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:53:14 -09:3
From:  Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:16   
+1100 
>    

If you have a look at the tcpip programs in Warp you will see 
Ultimedia Mail/2 'Lite' 
 
HTH 
Wayne 

> Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote: 
> > Can anyone please tell me what this is and what it does? 
> >  
> > TIA, 
> >  
> > -Chris 
> >  
> >  
> Hi Chris, 
>    
>    If I'm not mistaken, Ultimedia/2 was introduced as a product back in  
> the OS/2 1.3 days as a method of transferring multimedia content across  
> the LAN (Netbios) at a higher priority than other data. So Video  
> Streaming, Audio Streaming etc. 
>    
> Cheers/2 
>    
> Ed. 

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Date:  Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:16:45 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  LAN Server Ultimedia

On Sun, January 8, 2006 2:49 pm, Ed Durrant wrote:
> Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote:
>
>> Can anyone please tell me what this is and what it does?

> If I'm not mistaken, Ultimedia/2 was introduced as a product back in
> the OS/2 1.3 days as a method of transferring multimedia content across the
> LAN (Netbios) at a higher priority than other data. So Video
> Streaming, Audio Streaming etc.

LAN Server Ultimedia

IBM

LAN Server Ultimedia extends the already considerable distributed
multimedia capabilities of LAN Server Advanced, by establishing a
controlled environment to enable uncompromised provision of audio and
video data to DOS, DOS/Windows or OS/2 clients on either TokenRing or
Ethernet networks. LAN Server Ultimedia takes advantage of the
thread-level prioritisation capabilities of the OS/2 operating system to
ensure that access request from multimedia applications and clients
receive utmost priority at the server. Other "normal" applications may
coexist on the same server with no interference. On TokenRing networks LAN
Server Ultimedia also takes advantage of the TokenRing LAN Priority
Architecture, reserving network bandwidth for use by multimedia traffic.
In conjunction with resource reservations in the file system and disks,
this ensure adequate network resources for audio and video traffic, even
when normal data applications are running concurrently over network. LAN
Server Ultimedia supports any multimedia application without any required
modification to the application. Supports up to 40 videos sessions, plus
concurrent data applications, from a single server. Workstations may use
DOS, DOS/Windows or OS/2.

MultiMedia & UltiMedia

UltiMedia series

IBM

These three exciting multimedia authoring tools use the capabilities of
OS/2 to integrate multimedia into your everyday business applications.

Builder/2

IBM

Create exciting multimedia personations with images, audio, animation and
special effects. Use the films Vip-like work area for easy, visual
prototyping of your presentation or, if you're familiar with programming
languages, enter text - you choose the one that suits your needs and
experience. Produce lively sales and marketing presentations, powerful
product and service demos, and effective training courses.

Perfect Image/2

IBM

An image enhancement and capture tool that can resize, enhance, copy,
paste, crop or rotate digitized images. Drag and drop images from
different sources to include in your desktop business applications. Crop,
filter, and mask selected areas of an image to achieve unique special
effects. With a Video Capture Adapter card installed, you can also capture
still image frames from video sources.

Workplace/2

IBM

Organize and manage multimedia (image, audio, and video) files simply and
visually with Workplace/2. You see and work with miniature pictures of the
files called "thumbnails." These are integrated into powerful relational
databases by defining text for each thumbnail. Media browsers let you
display or play a file by double-clicking on the frame.

Video IN

IBM

Now you can be your own producer with Video IN and others can watch your
videos right on their computers, without any additional video hardware.
Features real time capture & compression, synchronized video and audio,
video recorder/editor, still image capture, and video developer's toolkit..
After capturing your video, use an application such as Builder/2 to create
exciting personations.

-- 
Voytek

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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:29:46 +0000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:   Disk Imaging

Hi,

What present disk imaging software is useful for eCs?
Up till now I've used Drive Image 3.0 to image partitions and it's 
worked well. However it's not worked for cloning a disk to another disk 
yesterday.
I then tried DFSee and at the speed it was going it would have taken a 
week having copied about 2% in  5 hours. I don't know whether this was 
due to using DFSee from a floppy as when used from eCs it copied a 3GB 
partition to another disk fairly quickly. However as DFSee is working in 
memory when loaded from a floppy there shouldn't have been a difference.
Hence I aborted that and decided to install boot manager and then WIN 
XP, intending to install other partitions from images. However I 
couldn't get boot manager to work and in using LVM or DFSee somehow got 
the partition tables of the hard disk corrupted and  it  now can't be used.
I don't think Acronis , Drive Image or Norton Ghost support HPFS.

Regards,

Alan Duval
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Date:  Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:37:04 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disk Imaging

On Mon, January 9, 2006 7:29 am, Alan Duval wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> What present disk imaging software is useful for eCs?

I normally use InfoZIP or XCOPY
not quite imaging, but, works well

-- 
Voytek

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:49:00 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disk Imaging

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> On Mon, January 9, 2006 7:29 am, Alan Duval wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> What present disk imaging software is useful for eCs?
> 
> I normally use InfoZIP or XCOPY
> not quite imaging, but, works well
> 
If you mean actual hardware disk imaging, then any of the 
Windows/Dos/Linux products will work as long as you have a bootable 
system media (CD, Diskette), will do the job.

In the aim of supporting those who support OS/2, please consider DFSEE - 
it comes in OS/2 Windoze, Linsux and DOS versions.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:02:09 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disk Imaging

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> On Mon, January 9, 2006 7:29 am, Alan Duval wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> What present disk imaging software is useful for eCs?
>>
>> I normally use InfoZIP or XCOPY
>> not quite imaging, but, works well
>>
> If you mean actual hardware disk imaging, then any of the 
> Windows/Dos/Linux products will work as long as you have a bootable 
> system media (CD, Diskette), will do the job.
> 
> In the aim of supporting those who support OS/2, please consider DFSEE - 
> it comes in OS/2 Windoze, Linsux and DOS versions.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
 
Meant to say DFSEE can be slow depending upon where you are writing the 
image to, whether you are compressing or not, whether you are backing up 
the complete drive or just a partition. Ghost tends to be faster, but 
only when it recognises the file system, when it has to do a bit by bit 
image copy, it also is slow.

The tool you use will need to understand LVM if your drive has been 
converted to LVM (which most of ours are), so that takes you back to 
DFSEE as the only option I believe, unless there is a Linsux product ?

If you only want to back up one partition to another, then ZIP or even 
XCOPY with correct switches set is as good a solution as any !

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:47:54 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disk Imaging

Hi Alan,

Like Voytek, I mostly use infozip to zip up a partition to a backup zip file, 
or else I use (like Ed and from memory) "Xcopy c:\*.* x:\ /h/o/t/s/e/r/v"
which I run from the command line of a eCS installation CD.  Where C:
is the source and X: whichever drive letter you assign TEMPORARILY to 
the new drive/partition by way of LVM.  After transfer, shutdown, remove
the original disk (source) etc. and reboot CD and run LVM to reassign the 
X: back to the ORIGINAL drive C: again.

I have also used File Commander for os/2 on my own modified eCS CD
and it will also copy the whole contents of one partition to another.
Simply highlight all files and folders and press F5 to copy from one 
pane to the other.  On my own eCS 1.1 and 1.2 CD's I have put 
File Commander/2 on the CD in S:\Extras\Fc2 .

I just go to command line from eCS 1.2 CD and change to the CD by
"S:".  Next type "cd\Extras\Fc2" then "FC" and finally press ENTER.
Use Alt-F1 and choose a drive letter for the left pane and Alt-F2 and
choose a letter for the right pane.  F1 for help.  Tab for changing
from left to right and vice versa. Highlight by the "Insert" Key.
File Commander/2 will also work from a floppy if you boot from CD
or you can also run FC from another partition on the hard drive.

As regards Disk Imaging tools, DriveImage 6.0 no longer seems to work 
when booted from dos, and I have yet to try the newer Acronis True Image 9,
which I think is supposed to recognise hpfs partitions, but not the LVM
information.

I am a registered user of DfSee7 but have not yet tried to use the Clone
function. Perhaps I will in future.  The odd time I use DfSee, I either use it
from within WinXP or eCS or when booted from it's own CD.  I don't trust
floppies, these days.

DfSee is extremely powerful but is also quite complicated and should be
used with extreme care.  I mostly have DfSee on hand for the chance 
that one day I might need it (desperation) and would take advantage of
the excellent email help that the author Jan provides, on a one on one
basis.

This is virtually when he tells you by email, what to do command by 
command.  Twice in the distant past he has enabled me to recover from 
my own mistakes.  

Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
8 January 2006   21:24

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:29:46 +0000, Alan Duval wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> What present disk imaging software is useful for eCs?
> Up till now I've used Drive Image 3.0 to image partitions and it's 
> worked well. However it's not worked for cloning a disk to another disk 
> yesterday.
> I then tried DFSee and at the speed it was going it would have taken a 
> week having copied about 2% in  5 hours. I don't know whether this was 
> due to using DFSee from a floppy as when used from eCs it copied a 3GB 
> partition to another disk fairly quickly. However as DFSee is working in 
> memory when loaded from a floppy there shouldn't have been a difference.
> Hence I aborted that and decided to install boot manager and then WIN 
> XP, intending to install other partitions from images. However I 
> couldn't get boot manager to work and in using LVM or DFSee somehow got 
> the partition tables of the hard disk corrupted and  it  now can't be used.
> I don't think Acronis , Drive Image or Norton Ghost support HPFS.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan Duval

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:52:30 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Zip

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:42:50 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

<SNIP>

> No one can say which version you "should" be using but as far as I can 
> see, these are the latest versions:
> 
> PKZIP v 2.5
> 
> ZIP (used by most os/2 zip frontends or from the command line) V 2.31 
> (this came out about 2 months ago). what I find strange is the the 
> previous version was V 5.41 !!

Hi Ed,
I think you are confusing Zip and UnZip which are grossly different in their
version numbers.  Currently, I think the most recent versions are:-
InfoZip's ZIP for os/2 is v2.31 and InfoZip's UNZIP is v5.52.

> 
> UNZIP v 5.5
> 
> Cheers/2
> Ed.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
8 January 2006   21:51

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:00:49 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Zip

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:42:50 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
>> No one can say which version you "should" be using but as far as I can 
>> see, these are the latest versions:
>>
>> PKZIP v 2.5
>>
>> ZIP (used by most os/2 zip frontends or from the command line) V 2.31 
>> (this came out about 2 months ago). what I find strange is the the 
>> previous version was V 5.41 !!
> 
> Hi Ed,
> I think you are confusing Zip and UnZip which are grossly different in their
> version numbers.  Currently, I think the most recent versions are:-
> InfoZip's ZIP for os/2 is v2.31 and InfoZip's UNZIP is v5.52.
> 
>> UNZIP v 5.5
>>
>> Cheers/2
>> Ed.
Hi Bob,

Just checked what was in my ZIP541 directory .... Unzip v 5.41 !!

So latest ZIP is therefore 2.31 and Unzip V 5.5

Thanks

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:37:08 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Disk Imaging

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:29:46 +0000, Alan Duval wrote:

>Hi,
>
>What present disk imaging software is useful for eCs?
>Up till now I've used Drive Image 3.0 to image partitions and it's 
>worked well. However it's not worked for cloning a disk to another disk 
>yesterday.
>I then tried DFSee and at the speed it was going it would have taken a 
>week having copied about 2% in  5 hours. I don't know whether this was 
>due to using DFSee from a floppy as when used from eCs it copied a 3GB 
>partition to another disk fairly quickly. However as DFSee is working in 
>memory when loaded from a floppy there shouldn't have been a difference.
>Hence I aborted that and decided to install boot manager and then WIN 
>XP, intending to install other partitions from images. However I 
>couldn't get boot manager to work and in using LVM or DFSee somehow got 
>the partition tables of the hard disk corrupted and  it  now can't be used.
>I don't think Acronis , Drive Image or Norton Ghost support HPFS.

You can always use my DiskImg utility in my utils; if the drive geometry is
the same.

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9395-1504   Internet:   chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
FAX:    +61-3-9395-7633   Web Page:   http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au
Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 4293, Hoppers Crossing DC, VIC 3029, AUSTRALIA

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