Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1225
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:02:26 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 13 December 2005
 Number  1225
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Advice : Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
2  Re:  Advice : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Advice : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
4  Re:  Advice : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:17:51 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <djn at aanet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Advice

Yes Ed,
It is the FTP HOST template that was used
Other than entering the connection log-in information, the only other 
thing I did was to set the background colour.

Just checked it again
In a sub-directory that only contains another sub-directory the window 
status shows 0 Objects and 0 Bytes.

Regards
Dennis.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> I have never seen this problem, then again if I didn't realise a 
> directory should be there I wouldn't see it, but I have used this to 
> access my own FTP servers and have always seen everything as I expected.
>
> I presume this comment does refer to the use of the "FTP HOST" 
> template from the location specified below and not the FTP or FTP-PM 
> templates ?
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ed
>>
>> I tried it and it has one problem which makes it useless for me.
>>
>> It never seems to list or display an icon for the first directory item.
>> That is bad enough when the first item is a file, but when it is a 
>> directory, the whole directory structure gets truncated.
>> It seems strange to me that this has not been commented on before.
>>
>> I compared the results from FtpHost with those from FTP-PM and FileZilla
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to log into you webspace that is 
>>>> allocated to you from your broadband ISP, and treat it like a drive 
>>>> on your own system.
>>>>
>>>> If I could open, edit and save files direct to my web space it 
>>>> would save a lot of FTPing,
>>>>
>>>> Does a VPN achieve this, and if so, do I need to have my ISP enable 
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Dennis.
>>>>
> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>
>>>>
>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>
>>>   One of the things that OS/2 has that "those other OSes" dont is a 
>>> very nice feature to exactly what you refer to.
>>>
>>>   Open the templates folder, then the templates for Internet folder. 
>>> drag and drop the "FTP Host" template onto the desktop, its 
>>> properties book will open up, fill in the details - FTP server, 
>>> account and password :
>>>
>>> e.g.
>>>
>>>   Hostname:  ftp.software.ibm dot com
>>>
>>>   Username:  Anonymous
>>>
>>>   Password:  edurrant at bigp0nd dot net dot au
>>>
>>> Leave the default download type as binary and close the properties 
>>> book.
>>>
>>> Double click the icon and you have the FTP site as if it was a local 
>>> folder !!
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>>
>>
>
 
>
> 

>

-- 

Howard's "Fair Dismissal" means it's fair for sleaze-bag bosses to sack anyone who rejects their sleazy gropings.
How will you explain that to your daughter.

Dennis Nolan
ETU Shopsteward.

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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:44:18 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Advice

This sounds strange, the standard FTP Host template from the internet 
templates folder within the templates folder, does not display any 
information about the number of objects or their size.

Either you are using a different template or you have another product 
loaded that updates folders.

Are you using OS/2 Warp or eComStation ? If the latter, it is likely 
there's a third party product running that may not have been tested with 
this template.

As I don't appear to get the same problem you have, perhaps its this 
add-on that's causing the problem, after all this looks like and behaves 
like a normal local folder, but in fact it isn't, it's an object based 
display of a remote website.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dennis Nolan wrote:
> Yes Ed,
> It is the FTP HOST template that was used
> Other than entering the connection log-in information, the only other 
> thing I did was to set the background colour.
> 
> Just checked it again
> In a sub-directory that only contains another sub-directory the window 
> status shows 0 Objects and 0 Bytes.
> 
> Regards
> Dennis.
> 
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> I have never seen this problem, then again if I didn't realise a 
>> directory should be there I wouldn't see it, but I have used this to 
>> access my own FTP servers and have always seen everything as I expected.
>>
>> I presume this comment does refer to the use of the "FTP HOST" 
>> template from the location specified below and not the FTP or FTP-PM 
>> templates ?
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ed
>>>
>>> I tried it and it has one problem which makes it useless for me.
>>>
>>> It never seems to list or display an icon for the first directory item.
>>> That is bad enough when the first item is a file, but when it is a 
>>> directory, the whole directory structure gets truncated.
>>> It seems strange to me that this has not been commented on before.
>>>
>>> I compared the results from FtpHost with those from FTP-PM and FileZilla
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to log into you webspace that is 
>>>>> allocated to you from your broadband ISP, and treat it like a drive 
>>>>> on your own system.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I could open, edit and save files direct to my web space it 
>>>>> would save a lot of FTPing,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does a VPN achieve this, and if so, do I need to have my ISP enable 
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis.
>>>>>
>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>>
>>>>   One of the things that OS/2 has that "those other OSes" dont is a 
>>>> very nice feature to exactly what you refer to.
>>>>
>>>>   Open the templates folder, then the templates for Internet folder. 
>>>> drag and drop the "FTP Host" template onto the desktop, its 
>>>> properties book will open up, fill in the details - FTP server, 
>>>> account and password :
>>>>
>>>> e.g.
>>>>
>>>>   Hostname:  ftp.software.ibm dot com
>>>>
>>>>   Username:  Anonymous
>>>>
>>>>   Password:  edurrant at bigp0nd dot net dot au
>>>>
>>>> Leave the default download type as binary and close the properties 
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> Double click the icon and you have the FTP site as if it was a local 
>>>> folder !!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>
>>>> Ed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
> 
> 

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:23:17 +1030
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Advice

Hi guys,
I haven't closely followed this thread - but this difference in 
behaviour could also be based on the behaviour of the remote site... the 
OS/2 ftp client hasn't been updated in a while - and some ftp servers 
are more picky than others.

For the type of thing Dennis wants to do - I'd strongly recommend 
Netdrive - VERY nice having a FTP site mapped as a drive letter!!

Cheers,

Paul.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> This sounds strange, the standard FTP Host template from the internet 
> templates folder within the templates folder, does not display any 
> information about the number of objects or their size.
> 
> Either you are using a different template or you have another product 
> loaded that updates folders.
> 
> Are you using OS/2 Warp or eComStation ? If the latter, it is likely 
> there's a third party product running that may not have been tested with 
> this template.
> 
> As I don't appear to get the same problem you have, perhaps its this 
> add-on that's causing the problem, after all this looks like and behaves 
> like a normal local folder, but in fact it isn't, it's an object based 
> display of a remote website.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>> Yes Ed,
>> It is the FTP HOST template that was used
>> Other than entering the connection log-in information, the only other 
>> thing I did was to set the background colour.
>>
>> Just checked it again
>> In a sub-directory that only contains another sub-directory the window 
>> status shows 0 Objects and 0 Bytes.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dennis.
>>
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> I have never seen this problem, then again if I didn't realise a 
>>> directory should be there I wouldn't see it, but I have used this to 
>>> access my own FTP servers and have always seen everything as I expected.
>>>
>>> I presume this comment does refer to the use of the "FTP HOST" 
>>> template from the location specified below and not the FTP or FTP-PM 
>>> templates ?
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>>
>>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Ed
>>>>
>>>> I tried it and it has one problem which makes it useless for me.
>>>>
>>>> It never seems to list or display an icon for the first directory item.
>>>> That is bad enough when the first item is a file, but when it is a 
>>>> directory, the whole directory structure gets truncated.
>>>> It seems strange to me that this has not been commented on before.
>>>>
>>>> I compared the results from FtpHost with those from FTP-PM and 
>>>> FileZilla
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to log into you webspace that 
>>>>>> is allocated to you from your broadband ISP, and treat it like a 
>>>>>> drive on your own system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I could open, edit and save files direct to my web space it 
>>>>>> would save a lot of FTPing,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does a VPN achieve this, and if so, do I need to have my ISP 
>>>>>> enable it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis.
>>>>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>>>
>>>>>   One of the things that OS/2 has that "those other OSes" dont is a 
>>>>> very nice feature to exactly what you refer to.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Open the templates folder, then the templates for Internet 
>>>>> folder. drag and drop the "FTP Host" template onto the desktop, its 
>>>>> properties book will open up, fill in the details - FTP server, 
>>>>> account and password :
>>>>>
>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hostname:  ftp.software.ibm dot com
>>>>>
>>>>>   Username:  Anonymous
>>>>>
>>>>>   Password:  edurrant at bigp0nd dot net dot au
>>>>>
>>>>> Leave the default download type as binary and close the properties 
>>>>> book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Double click the icon and you have the FTP site as if it was a 
>>>>> local folder !!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>>
>>
> 
 
> 
> 

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:37:15 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Advice

Yes I had already suggested netdrive earlier. It does appear strange 
that Dennis see's this behaviour and I do not. As you say it could be 
something specific to Dennis's ISPs FTP server.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I haven't closely followed this thread - but this difference in 
> behaviour could also be based on the behaviour of the remote site... the 
> OS/2 ftp client hasn't been updated in a while - and some ftp servers 
> are more picky than others.
> 
> For the type of thing Dennis wants to do - I'd strongly recommend 
> Netdrive - VERY nice having a FTP site mapped as a drive letter!!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>> This sounds strange, the standard FTP Host template from the internet 
>> templates folder within the templates folder, does not display any 
>> information about the number of objects or their size.
>>
>> Either you are using a different template or you have another product 
>> loaded that updates folders.
>>
>> Are you using OS/2 Warp or eComStation ? If the latter, it is likely 
>> there's a third party product running that may not have been tested 
>> with this template.
>>
>> As I don't appear to get the same problem you have, perhaps its this 
>> add-on that's causing the problem, after all this looks like and 
>> behaves like a normal local folder, but in fact it isn't, it's an 
>> object based display of a remote website.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>> Yes Ed,
>>> It is the FTP HOST template that was used
>>> Other than entering the connection log-in information, the only other 
>>> thing I did was to set the background colour.
>>>
>>> Just checked it again
>>> In a sub-directory that only contains another sub-directory the 
>>> window status shows 0 Objects and 0 Bytes.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dennis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have never seen this problem, then again if I didn't realise a 
>>>> directory should be there I wouldn't see it, but I have used this to 
>>>> access my own FTP servers and have always seen everything as I 
>>>> expected.
>>>>
>>>> I presume this comment does refer to the use of the "FTP HOST" 
>>>> template from the location specified below and not the FTP or FTP-PM 
>>>> templates ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>
>>>> Ed.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried it and it has one problem which makes it useless for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> It never seems to list or display an icon for the first directory 
>>>>> item.
>>>>> That is bad enough when the first item is a file, but when it is a 
>>>>> directory, the whole directory structure gets truncated.
>>>>> It seems strange to me that this has not been commented on before.
>>>>>
>>>>> I compared the results from FtpHost with those from FTP-PM and 
>>>>> FileZilla
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to log into you webspace that 
>>>>>>> is allocated to you from your broadband ISP, and treat it like a 
>>>>>>> drive on your own system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I could open, edit and save files direct to my web space it 
>>>>>>> would save a lot of FTPing,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does a VPN achieve this, and if so, do I need to have my ISP 
>>>>>>> enable it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis.
>>>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   One of the things that OS/2 has that "those other OSes" dont is 
>>>>>> a very nice feature to exactly what you refer to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Open the templates folder, then the templates for Internet 
>>>>>> folder. drag and drop the "FTP Host" template onto the desktop, 
>>>>>> its properties book will open up, fill in the details - FTP 
>>>>>> server, account and password :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hostname:  ftp.software.ibm dot com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Username:  Anonymous
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Password:  edurrant at bigp0nd dot net dot au
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leave the default download type as binary and close the properties 
>>>>>> book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Double click the icon and you have the FTP site as if it was a 
>>>>>> local folder !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed.
>>>>>>
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