Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1212
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:59 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 05 November 2005
 Number  1212
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Subjects for today
 
1   Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Peter Jenkins <ecom_pp at westnet dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Peter Jenkins <ecom_pp at westnet dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
5  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE : david shearer <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE : david shearer <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:13:27 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Hi All,

   Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - 
it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2.

   this is a recurring problem as versions increase. For a long time to 
be able to get (even the same versions of) thunderbird and Firefox to 
run together and link between each other, one had to either write cmd 
files or use the RUN! program to avoid conflicting program modules.

   With Firefox and Thunderbird v 1.5b2 this was no longer neccessary 
and the two programs ran together without problem. Even just a small 
increment to the version of Firefox from 1.5b2 to 1.5rc1 and the problem 
has returned. At the moment there is no OS/2 Port of the Thunderbird 
1.5rc1 code (which exists already for Windows, Mac and Linux), let hope 
when we get an OS/2 port of this the problem once again is history.

  As far as I know this version clash problem does not happen on the 
other platforms, so I suspect it is may be libc.dll related.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:23:03 +1030
From:  Peter Jenkins <ecom_pp at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>   Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - 
> it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2.
>
fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways
a url link in tb will open ff with no problems
if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff 
session
I am not using the run command yet, as suggested earlier
Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will 
lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get 
dhcp to run properly,
I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer
Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833
on board nic disabled
256mb ram
PCI Realtek nic
will live with it for the moment
Peter J

-- 
Peter A  Jenkins
Port Pirie South Australia
PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM
Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2
(Also known as grandad or pj in some circles)

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:29:26 +1030
From:  Peter Jenkins <ecom_pp at westnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Should have mentioned Firefox 1.0.7 ecs 1.2 Thunderbird 1.0.6
Peter J

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>   Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - 
> it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2.
>
fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways
a url link in tb will open ff with no problems
if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff
session
I am not using the run command yet, as suggested earlier
Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will
lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get
dhcp to run properly,
I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer
Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833
on board nic disabled
256mb ram
PCI Realtek nic
will live with it for the moment
Peter J

-- 
Peter A  Jenkins
Port Pirie South Australia
PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM
Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2
(Also known as grandad or pj in some circles)

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:23:20 -0700
From:  Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis at sandia dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Firefox 1.5rc1 and Thunderbird 1.0.6 play well together without any 
problem.  I just tested a mailto: out of Firefox 1.5rc1 and the 
Thunderbird 1.0.6 compose window opened as expected.  Thunderbird 1.0.6 
also open URLs in Firefox 1.5rc1 as expected.

Peter Jenkins wrote:
> 
> Should have mentioned Firefox 1.0.7 ecs 1.2 Thunderbird 1.0.6
> Peter J
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>>
>>   Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - 
>> it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2.
>>
> fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways
> a url link in tb will open ff with no problems
> if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff
> session
> I am not using the run command yet, as suggested earlier
> Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will
> lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get
> dhcp to run properly,
> I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer
> Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833
> on board nic disabled
> 256mb ram
> PCI Realtek nic
> will live with it for the moment
> Peter J
> 

-- 

Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/
505-286-3191

Civilization - biggest syntax error in history!
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:34:41 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Hi Peter,

   I think you have several problems - comments interspersed:

Peter Jenkins wrote:
> fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways
> a url link in tb will open ff with no problems
> if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff 
> session

This was the effect I also had with versions of TB & FF of the  1.06 / 
1.07 vintage - are you running v 1.5 ?

> Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will 
> lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get 
> dhcp to run properly,
Some routers (Linksys being one), has a bug in the code where the DHCP 
server component stops working from time to time. The solution is to 
configure a regular restart using TRON or similar within the router 
itself. By the way, the way DHCP works is that once allocated, a DHCP 
address has a "life" (default eight days I think) but at half of this 
time it will check if it can renew the address. If the DHCP server is 
not there, it may complain but will keep using its address until the 
"life" is up.

If you are not moving your eCS system around (ie it's a laptop), then 
set static addresses in TCPCFG2 and you don't need to worry about DHCP 
anymore.

> I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer
> Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833
> on board nic disabled
> 256mb ram
> PCI Realtek nic
> will live with it for the moment

As I noted above - I would rather think it could be a router problem - 
check the router's support site to see if anyone else has the same 
problem. I would not expect this to be a NIC, NIC Driver or FF/TB 
problem - personal experience says, these options are very unlikely.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:40:10 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Peter Jenkins wrote:
> 
> Should have mentioned Firefox 1.0.7 ecs 1.2 Thunderbird 1.0.6
> Peter J

  Ok - thought so. Install Firefox 1.5b2 and Thinderbird 1.5b2 into new 
directories (not over the current versions), run configapps to set these 
two versions as your default browser and mail client and the program 
starting issues will go away.

  Hopefully when we get TB 1.5rc1, the same will be true of FF 1.5rc1 
and TB 1.5rc1 together - the key issue is don't try running versions 
together.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:43:19 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> Firefox 1.5rc1 and Thunderbird 1.0.6 play well together without any 
> problem.  I just tested a mailto: out of Firefox 1.5rc1 and the 
> Thunderbird 1.0.6 compose window opened as expected.  Thunderbird 1.0.6 
> also open URLs in Firefox 1.5rc1 as expected.
> 
>
Thanks Chuck - that's interesting ! But I don't particularly wnt to go 
back to TB 1.06.

Some problems I have seen are not obvious and depend upon which program 
loads first. The only combination that has worked flawlessly for me has 
been FF & TB 1.5b2. I haven't tried FF 1.5rc1 and TB 1.06 though.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:54:31 +1000
From:  david shearer <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE

Where do you buy the Yuan  card from?

The Hauppauge 150 can be had OEM for $150 as well?

David

Ed Durrant wrote:

> David Shearer wrote:
>
>> I see that the emperoar software now supports the Hauppauge 150 and 
>> 500 capture cards.
>>
>> Does anyone on this list have any experience with either card?
>>
>>
>> David S
>>
> 
>>
>>  
>
>>
> Hi David,
>  I do not have experience with using these cards, however it is 
> important to point out that the the MCE (Media Centre Edition) card 
> and the non MCE cards are different products using different chipsets. 
> If you have the choice, the non-MCE card is more likely to run without 
> issues.
>
>  I am presently running Emperoar with a Yuan MPG600 card (costs 
> Aus$150), Rudi (the author of Emperoar) has managed to solve all 
> issues on this card apart from one, which is it needs to be warm 
> booted before it works, after that all features (including remote 
> control) work fine.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
 
>
> 

>

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:07:18 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE

The Yuan MPG600 was bought from a Sydney based retailer. If you are 
interested, I'll dig out the details. At the time I bought it, the PVr 
150 did not exist, only the PVR 250 and 350 at around A$300 and A$400 
respectively.

Was your reference to the PVR150 at $150 a question or a statement ?

My Yuan is a retail not an OEM product. I have not come across OEM 
versions of either the Yuan or Hauppauge PVR cards.

Cheers/2

Ed.

david shearer wrote:
> Where do you buy the Yuan  card from?
> 
> The Hauppauge 150 can be had OEM for $150 as well?
> 
> David
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> David Shearer wrote:
>>
>>> I see that the emperoar software now supports the Hauppauge 150 and 
>>> 500 capture cards.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on this list have any experience with either card?
>>>
>>>
>>> David S
>>>
 
>>>
>>>  

>>>
>> Hi David,
>>  I do not have experience with using these cards, however it is 
>> important to point out that the the MCE (Media Centre Edition) card 
>> and the non MCE cards are different products using different chipsets. 
>> If you have the choice, the non-MCE card is more likely to run without 
>> issues.
>>
>>  I am presently running Emperoar with a Yuan MPG600 card (costs 
>> Aus$150), Rudi (the author of Emperoar) has managed to solve all 
>> issues on this card apart from one, which is it needs to be warm 
>> booted before it works, after that all features (including remote 
>> control) work fine.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:09:25 +1000
From:  david shearer <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE

Sorry I wrote the email a bit quickly.  I have tracked down a guy that 
sells the MCE for $150 as an OEM product - ie no software and no 
remote.  I was wondering which was thw better buy - by thw sounds of it 
the Yuan is okay.

Can you share with me where to buy a Yuan?  I am in Brisbane.

David

Ed Durrant wrote:

> The Yuan MPG600 was bought from a Sydney based retailer. If you are 
> interested, I'll dig out the details. At the time I bought it, the PVr 
> 150 did not exist, only the PVR 250 and 350 at around A$300 and A$400 
> respectively.
>
> Was your reference to the PVR150 at $150 a question or a statement ?
>
> My Yuan is a retail not an OEM product. I have not come across OEM 
> versions of either the Yuan or Hauppauge PVR cards.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> david shearer wrote:
>
>> Where do you buy the Yuan  card from?
>>
>> The Hauppauge 150 can be had OEM for $150 as well?
>>
>> David
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> David Shearer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see that the emperoar software now supports the Hauppauge 150 and 
>>>> 500 capture cards.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone on this list have any experience with either card?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David S
>>>>
> 
>>>>
>>>>  
>
>>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>  I do not have experience with using these cards, however it is 
>>> important to point out that the the MCE (Media Centre Edition) card 
>>> and the non MCE cards are different products using different 
>>> chipsets. If you have the choice, the non-MCE card is more likely to 
>>> run without issues.
>>>
>>>  I am presently running Emperoar with a Yuan MPG600 card (costs 
>>> Aus$150), Rudi (the author of Emperoar) has managed to solve all 
>>> issues on this card apart from one, which is it needs to be warm 
>>> booted before it works, after that all features (including remote 
>>> control) work fine.
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>
 
>
> 

>

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