Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1194
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:03:13 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 20 September 2005
 Number  1194
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Email Problem : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
2  Re:  Email Problem : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Email Problem : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
4  Re:  Email Problem : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
5  Re:  Email Problem : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Email Problem : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
7  Re:  Email Problem : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Email Problem : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Email Problem : nickl at pacific dot net dot au
10  Re:  Test email : Tom Perrett" <tomp at st dot net dot au>
11   Missing email : Alan Duval <amoht at tpg dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Email Problem : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Test email : Ian Manners" <deadmail>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:32:51 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

Alan Duval schreef:

> Hi,
>
> I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether 
> this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it.
> If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that 
> effect so that I can take it up 

I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced.

Then there is no point in sending you private mails again, isn't it?

>

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/warpstock-europe-2005-dresden.jpg
http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/zum_weberplatz.jpg

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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:23:18 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

> I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced.

for what reason ?

-- 
Voytek

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:08:39 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced.
>>    
>>
>
>for what reason ?
>
>
>  
>
No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/warpstock-europe-2005-dresden.jpg
http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/zum_weberplatz.jpg

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:50:22 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

Hi kris,

On 19/9/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> wrote:

>Voytek Eymont schreef:
>
>>On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>
>>>I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced.
>>>
>>for what reason ?
>>
>No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant.

Ed is with Telstra Bigpond - they have a habit of deciding mail is spam
and it being rejected.  Ironic considering Bigpond is one of the worst
offenders in terms of sending spam in Australia.

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:42:21 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

On Tue, September 20, 2005 9:20 am, Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi kris,
> On 19/9/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> wrote:
>> Voytek Eymont schreef:
>>> On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced.
>>> for what reason ?
>>>
>> No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant.

> Ed is with Telstra Bigpond - they have a habit of deciding mail is spam
> and it being rejected.  Ironic considering Bigpond is one of the worst
> offenders in terms of sending spam in Australia.

well, I also have the a habit of deciding mail is spam, and,
rejecting/deleting, but, it's all based on a reason, there is probably 20
or so reasons that I'll declare mail undesirable, and reject/delete.

and, there a variety of quite valid reasons for rejecting valid emails,

sometimes, it's up to the sender to make sure his end is OK, or, his
emails will be bounced

we deny emails from not fully qualified hosts, no mx records, systems
listed on variety of lists, etc. In most cases, such denial is the fault
of sender.

so 'what reason ?' is the 1st question

-- 
Voytek

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:14 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

From Alan Duval :- 

> I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether 
> this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it.
> If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that effect 
> so that I can take it up with my ISP.

FYI

logs indicate that tpg are accepting and taking the emails ok, and Alan
isnt responding from two other email accounts at other ISP's so looks
lile tpg is losing his email, or he is. In a seperate email he sent me what
he's not receiving my response to either, it appears he is receiving emails
from some people ok, but not from other people, like me.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:02:41 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:14 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:
> From Alan Duval :- 
> 
> > I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether 
> > this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it.
> > If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that effect 
> > so that I can take it up with my ISP.
> 
> FYI
> 
> logs indicate that tpg are accepting and taking the emails ok, and Alan
> isnt responding from two other email accounts at other ISP's so looks
> lile tpg is losing his email, or he is. In a seperate email he sent me what
> he's not receiving my response to either, it appears he is receiving emails
> from some people ok, but not from other people, like me.
> 
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/

Hi Ian,

Well I am experiencing delays, but ONLY in emails from THIS list.

It could be OptusNet (in my case) but I don't have the same problem from
anyone else. Or if I have I have, I have never noticed it.

This particular thread was for example, very hard to follow.  From My perspective
YOU were replying to Alan but Alan's email replies were not being delivered to ME for 
some time later.

If this problem is within my ISP (OptusNet) then I am at a loss as to why it does
not seem to occur with other email lists.

HTH,
Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
20 September 2005   11:00

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:29:08 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

On Tue, September 20, 2005 11:02 am, Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:14 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:
>
>> From Alan Duval :-

> Well I am experiencing delays, but ONLY in emails from THIS list.

> It could be OptusNet (in my case) but I don't have the same problem from
> anyone else. Or if I have I have, I have never noticed it.
>
> This particular thread was for example, very hard to follow.  From My
> perspective YOU were replying to Alan but Alan's email replies were not
> being delivered to ME for some time later.
>
> If this problem is within my ISP (OptusNet) then I am at a loss as to why
> it does not seem to occur with other email lists.

look at the envelope and the postage stamps;
read the mail headers, that's where the anwser lies

-- 
Voytek

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:54:16 +0900
From:  nickl at pacific dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

Hi All.

FWIW, it seems I'm getting all my email (8 this morning) from OS/2Genau,
but it is very slow...as though each mail has a small (maybe 200kb)
attachment. All my other mail, including other addresses are fine. 

I am trialling Thunderbird, but my main Client is MR2/ICE. Both seem OK.

Hoope this helps.

NICK
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In <0038597300.0001BPSM at server1.os2site dot com>, on 09/20/2005 
   at 10:43 AM, "Ian Manners" <deadmail> said:

>From Alan Duval :- 

>> I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether 
>> this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it.
>> If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that effect 
>> so that I can take it up with my ISP.

>FYI

>logs indicate that tpg are accepting and taking the emails ok, and Alan
>isnt responding from two other email accounts at other ISP's so looks
>lile tpg is losing his email, or he is. In a seperate email he sent me
>what he's not receiving my response to either, it appears he is receiving
>emails from some people ok, but not from other people, like me.

>Cheers
>Ian Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/

>It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a

> 

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nickl at pacific dot net dot au
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:35:35 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Tom Perrett" <tomp at st dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Test email

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:23:57 +1000, Alan Duval wrote:

>I'm just sending this to see if it's forwarded to me. I specified that 
>email from os2genau at os2 dot org dot au was to be allowed by my ISP.
>
>Alan Duval

> 

But of course it does not show the list name
as the FROM it shows the name of the poster
so once again one of these silly anti-spam
programs is useless.

Tom
Cheers,

Tom       <tomp at st dot net dot au>   Tom Perrett
Proud to be member of Melbourne DPS, first
port of call re Victorian research - http://home.vicnet dot net dot au/~dpsoc

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:00:32 +1000
From:  Alan Duval <amoht at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:   Missing email

Hi,

If Terry Kemp or Kev Downes receives this email, could they email me 
privately to that effect. I know you both use tpg for your ISP as I do.

Regards,

Alan Duval
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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:32:07 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Email Problem

Paul Smedley wrote:

>Hi kris,
>
>On 19/9/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Voytek Eymont schreef:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced.
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>for what reason ?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant.
>>    
>>
>
>Ed is with Telstra Bigpond - they have a habit of deciding mail is spam
>and it being rejected.  Ironic considering Bigpond is one of the worst
>offenders in terms of sending spam in Australia.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul.
>
>  
>
Yes, in fact German goverment departments have all bigpond accounts on a 
blacklist - I had to use my own mail server to send them some 
correspondance (I used to live in Germany).

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:53:02 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Test email

It is also possible that tpg's email servers cannot read my DNS server,
as I only allow standard DNS ports (53) and only on UDP, were as going
through my logs, tpg are trying to query using only standard IP and ignoring
UDP. This is unusual behaviour for someone elses mail servers. I also
have no problems with telstra or optus, except the odd time Optus get
themselves black banned on SORB's :-)

the maintainers of os2 dot org dot au had not yet updated that domains secondary
DNS server address's either.

Maybe its time I/we think about setting up the list on os2site dot com instead ?

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:23:57 +1000, Alan Duval wrote:

> I'm just sending this to see if it's forwarded to me. I specified that 
> email from os2genau at os2 dot org dot au was to be allowed by my ISP.
> 
> Alan Duval

>  

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Light travels faster than sound, which is why some people appear bright until they speak.
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