Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1120
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:02:09 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 04 June 2005
 Number  1120
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  DVD writable disks : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
5  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
8  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
11  Re:  NVU was Problems again with Firefox : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
14  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
15  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
16  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
17  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
18  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
19  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
20  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
21  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
22  Re:  Problems again with Firefox : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:00:19 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  DVD writable disks

Leigh Bunting wrote:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> Or are you using a Hi-Fi DVD recorder ??
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Correct guess this time. A Pioneer DVD recorder with a 80G HDD. Hell, 
> I only have a 10G HDD in the PC I'm now using - and that's only half 
> full.
>
> The recorder is great for editing out all the rubbish. It will do down 
> to the frame - and for removing all the ads. Makes watching an F1 GP  
> worth it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Leigh
>
In that case you're probably better buying a disc that states its for 
use in a HiFi DVD recorder, along with the others. You may also want to 
buy a double layer disc (full movie length capability).

The principal is the same buy a variety of single disks and see which 
works best for you, then buy a larger quantity.

By the way, just this week, it appears TDK have changed their DVD-R 
disks and I am now getting these new disks not coming ready in the 
drive. Other makes including older TDK disks are still OK.

So beware if the manufacturer also "improves" their disks !!

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:02:41 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> I don't (any more) but until Firefox and Thunderbird progressed to a 
>> reliable version, I needed IBMs OS2WEB for browsing and e-mail (and a 
>> good job it did too !)
>>
>> If I can "re-fix" this XPCOM problem - then I'll probably totally 
>> remove Mozilla and IBM WB.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>
>>> Ed
>>> Why do you meed to run the IBM Web Browser?
>>
>>
> Hi Ed, Dennis,
>
> Not using either Firefox or Thunderbird, does either of these include 
> the functions of the IBM WB/WarpMozilla "Composer" component - i.e 
> in-situ GUI editing of webpages/tags/anchors etc?
> In my case I frequently edit out unwanted sections of saved webpages, 
> and occasionally need it to save the contents of some shtml pages that 
> don't allow "saving" as webpage.
>
the "composer" component is also a separate component now - NVU.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:04:16 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

John Angelico wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:17:24 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>Hi Mike.
>
>  
>
>>Hi Ed, Dennis,
>>
>>Not using either Firefox or Thunderbird, does either of these include 
>>the functions of the IBM WB/WarpMozilla "Composer" component - i.e 
>>in-situ GUI editing of webpages/tags/anchors etc?
>>In my case I frequently edit out unwanted sections of saved webpages, 
>>and occasionally need it to save the contents of some shtml pages that 
>>don't allow "saving" as webpage.
>>    
>>
>
>What you appear to be after is the NVU module http://www.nvu dot com/ 
>and http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/editors/nvu-0.80-os2.zip
>which may look as if it is an overkill but then I don't know what else you do
>to web sites ...<g>
>
>But according to Wikipedia (who trusts wikipedia? <g>)
>http://en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/NVu, it is based on the Composer from the Moz
>suite.
> 
>
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>OS/2 SIG
>os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
>talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>_
>
Latest version is 0.90 by the way
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 09:45:12 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

John Angelico wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:17:24 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>Hi Mike.
>
>>Hi Ed, Dennis,
>>
>>Not using either Firefox or Thunderbird, does either of these include 
>>the functions of the IBM WB/WarpMozilla "Composer" component - i.e 
>>in-situ GUI editing of webpages/tags/anchors etc?
>>In my case I frequently edit out unwanted sections of saved webpages, 
>>and occasionally need it to save the contents of some shtml pages that 
>>don't allow "saving" as webpage.
>>    
>>
>What you appear to be after is the NVU module http://www.nvu dot com/ 
>and http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/editors/nvu-0.80-os2.zip
>which may look as if it is an overkill but then I don't know what else you do
>to web sites ...<g>
>
>But according to Wikipedia (who trusts wikipedia? <g>)
>http://en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/NVu, it is based on the Composer from the Moz
>suite.
> 
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>

Hi John, Ed,

I'm very happy with IBM WB 2.0.4 [only complaint is that the "smileys" 
won't insert when selected, either from toolbar or menuitem], I find it 
more convenient than having multiple applications open simultaneously - 
with Object Desktop Control Centre's Virtual desktops, I keep mail open 
on one, browser on others, so until such time as it no longer fulfils 
its functions I'll keep using it.

I don't know whether it's related to the rash of new malware, but I'm 
still waiting to receive back a message I posted on 
ecomstation at yahoogroups dot com at 13:23 yesterday, and which is visible on 
the web-interface, along with two responses to it, none of which have 
come to me as intended individual e-mail deliveries!

Anyone else having mail disappearing? On Yahoo I have a total of zero 
bounces hard or soft, last bounce was in January 2002 to my Austarnet 
account when I had 3 with a grand total of 12 to that time from about 30 
groups.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
--------------------
[Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text]

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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:14:14 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Ed If I understand correctly, you get this problem after using the IBM 
Web-browser.

If so then it's probably because the browser loads various DLL files 
without specifying them to be Discard able. Therefore they stay in 
memory and when firefox wants to use its DLL of the same name, the IBM 
browser version is loaded instead of the firefox one.

If this is so, ie, only a problem after using another browser, then just 
get rid of the other browser.

When you do you will need to modify your user profile.
The IBM browser enters an entry "WPDEFAULTURLBROWSER" with entries for 
the exe and home directory.
You can either delete them or change them to point to firefox. When eCS 
is installed without the IBM browser or Netscape, this entry is not in 
the user profile.
The only real trouble I've had with Firefox was due to upgrading.
So I separated my Firefox and Thunderbird profiles from the application 
directory structure.
Now when I upgrade, I delete the old application directory and then 
Unzip the new application and move it to where the old application was, 
and run it. I've had no problems updating since before version 0.8

Regards
Dennis.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> I don't (any more) but until Firefox and Thunderbird progressed to a 
> reliable version, I needed IBMs OS2WEB for browsing and e-mail (and a 
> good job it did too !)
>
> If I can "re-fix" this XPCOM problem - then I'll probably totally 
> remove Mozilla and IBM WB.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> Ed
>> Why do you meed to run the IBM Web Browser?
>>
>>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had this problem soon after I switch to Firefox & Thunderbird 
>>>> from IBM Web Browser - now it's back again.
>>>>
>>>> If I start Firefox from its icon, it fails with an error in 
>>>> XPCOM.DLL - however if I access firefox from a link in an email in 
>>>> Thunderbird, the browser starts up withou any problems.
>>>>
>>>> The icon starts Firefox from it's own directory and there is no 
>>>> reference to IBMWB, Mozilla, Firefox or Thunderbird directories in 
>>>> either the path or libpath statements in config.sys.
>>>>
>>>> As I think both thunderbird and firefox see able to run with the 
>>>> XPCOM.DLL loaded by Thunderbird, should I simply overwrite firefoxs 
>>>> XPCOM.DLL with the one from thunderbird ??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers/2
>>>>
>>>> Ed.
>>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some more information. If I start Firefox from it's icon and 
>>> thunderbird is NOT running it starts OK, only if I have started 
>>> thunderbird file (and presumably it's version of xpcom.dll is in 
>>> memory) do I get the problem.
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>>
>>> Ed.
 
>>>
>>> 

>>>
>>>
> 
>>
>> 
>
>>
>
 
>
> 

>
>
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:39:11 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

No Dennis, you misunderstood.

There is no IBMWB in this equation. The problem is caused by Firefox and 
Thunderbird themselves. Paul has confirmed that he also has this 
problem. If Thunderbird is started before firefox and one then tries to 
start firefox from its desktop icon, XPCOM.DLL has an access violation 
and fails. Firefox can however be started by clicking on a web link in 
an e-mail in thunderbird without problems.

If Firefox is started first and then Thunderbird, there is no problem.

Paul uses the Run! program to get around the problem, however, I have 
had this working previously, so I'd like to know why it is now a problem.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Ed If I understand correctly, you get this problem after using the IBM 
> Web-browser.
>
> If so then it's probably because the browser loads various DLL files 
> without specifying them to be Discard able. Therefore they stay in 
> memory and when firefox wants to use its DLL of the same name, the IBM 
> browser version is loaded instead of the firefox one.
>
> If this is so, ie, only a problem after using another browser, then 
> just get rid of the other browser.
>

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:49:19 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

> >What you appear to be after is the NVU module http://www.nvu dot com/ 
> >and http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/editors/nvu-0.80-os2.zip
> >which may look as if it is an overkill but then I don't know what else you do
> >to web sites ...<g>

> Latest version is 0.90 by the way

In the same directory :)
http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/editors/

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Screw the Prime Directive... give the Borg a copy of Windows!
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:13:28 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Ed
I had similar problems too, my solution was to get rid of all trace of 
IBMWB and Mozilla.

On the other hand, as you are having different results depending upon 
where you invoke the program from, you need to look at what the 
differences are and try to determine what will give your symptoms.

You could do a search on xpcom.dll and find out how many different 
versions of it there are on the system.
Then run ListDll.Cmd ( try Hobbes or I can email it to you off list.
That will tell you which version of the dll will be encountered first in 
the systems libpath search.

I assume that the program object on the decktop is a shadow of firefox.exe.

Have you entered anything into the Working directory field. It seems to 
me that the working directory will have an effect on which xpcom.dll 
file will be run if you do have "." as the first entry in your Libpath 
statement.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> No Dennis, you misunderstood.
>
> There is no IBMWB in this equation. The problem is caused by Firefox 
> and Thunderbird themselves. Paul has confirmed that he also has this 
> problem. If Thunderbird is started before firefox and one then tries 
> to start firefox from its desktop icon, XPCOM.DLL has an access 
> violation and fails. Firefox can however be started by clicking on a 
> web link in an e-mail in thunderbird without problems.
>
> If Firefox is started first and then Thunderbird, there is no problem.
>
> Paul uses the Run! program to get around the problem, however, I have 
> had this working previously, so I'd like to know why it is now a problem.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> Ed If I understand correctly, you get this problem after using the 
>> IBM Web-browser.
>>
>> If so then it's probably because the browser loads various DLL files 
>> without specifying them to be Discard able. Therefore they stay in 
>> memory and when firefox wants to use its DLL of the same name, the 
>> IBM browser version is loaded instead of the firefox one.
>>
>> If this is so, ie, only a problem after using another browser, then 
>> just get rid of the other browser.
>>
>
 
>
> 

>
>
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:43:32 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Ed
> I had similar problems too, my solution was to get rid of all trace of 
> IBMWB and Mozilla.
>
> On the other hand, as you are having different results depending upon 
> where you invoke the program from, you need to look at what the 
> differences are and try to determine what will give your symptoms.
>
> You could do a search on xpcom.dll and find out how many different 
> versions of it there are on the system.

  Done all of that - no obvious "culprits".

> Then run ListDll.Cmd ( try Hobbes or I can email it to you off list.
> That will tell you which version of the dll will be encountered first 
> in the systems libpath search.
>
   There's an idea !! Thanks I do that. I used to use a utility call 
Listdll sometime ago (I think on OS/2 1.3 or 2.1 !) that did something 
similar.

   I'll download from Hobbes and try.  I suspect it isn't the path but 
rather a os2.ini or odin-registry setting tht's messing things up though.

> I assume that the program object on the decktop is a shadow of 
> firefox.exe.
>
> Have you entered anything into the Working directory field. It seems 
> to me that the working directory will have an effect on which 
> xpcom.dll file will be run if you do have "." as the first entry in 
> your Libpath statement.
>
   Yes and working directory points to firefox.exe and its xpcom.dll 
location and yes current directory set as first entry in libpath. - 
Check all of these as the first thing I did.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:29:07 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Hi Ed,

Ed Durrant wrote:
> No Dennis, you misunderstood.
> 
> There is no IBMWB in this equation. The problem is caused by Firefox and 
> Thunderbird themselves. Paul has confirmed that he also has this 
> problem. If Thunderbird is started before firefox and one then tries to 
> start firefox from its desktop icon, XPCOM.DLL has an access violation 
> and fails. Firefox can however be started by clicking on a web link in 
> an e-mail in thunderbird without problems.
> 
> If Firefox is started first and then Thunderbird, there is no problem.
> 
> Paul uses the Run! program to get around the problem, however, I have 
> had this working previously, so I'd like to know why it is now a problem.

What versions of FF & Tbird are you running? Unless they're built from 
the same source code (usually meaning they'll have the same version 
numbers) - this problem will occur....

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:18:31 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  NVU was Problems again with Firefox

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:49:19 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote:

>
>> Latest version is 0.90 by the way
>
>In the same directory :)
>http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/editors/
>

Thanks Ian.

Don't understand how I could have missed it - and it's more compact, too!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:35:52 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Paul Smedley wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> No Dennis, you misunderstood.
>>
>> There is no IBMWB in this equation. The problem is caused by Firefox 
>> and Thunderbird themselves. Paul has confirmed that he also has this 
>> problem. If Thunderbird is started before firefox and one then tries 
>> to start firefox from its desktop icon, XPCOM.DLL has an access 
>> violation and fails. Firefox can however be started by clicking on a 
>> web link in an e-mail in thunderbird without problems.
>>
>> If Firefox is started first and then Thunderbird, there is no problem.
>>
>> Paul uses the Run! program to get around the problem, however, I have 
>> had this working previously, so I'd like to know why it is now a 
>> problem.
>
>
> What versions of FF & Tbird are you running? Unless they're built from 
> the same source code (usually meaning they'll have the same version 
> numbers) - this problem will occur....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
> -

Thunderbird v 1.02 anf Firefox v 1.04 - so different versions, but as 
far as I could see the latest versions in both cases.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:12:26 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Hi Ed,

Ed Durrant wrote:
>> What versions of FF & Tbird are you running? Unless they're built from 
>> the same source code (usually meaning they'll have the same version 
>> numbers) - this problem will occur....
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Paul.
>> -
> 
> 
> Thunderbird v 1.02 anf Firefox v 1.04 - so different versions, but as 
> far as I could see the latest versions in both cases.

Yep - latest available - but Thunderbird would be build from an older 
version of xpcom - to run both concurrently _reliably_, you'll need to 
use Run!

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:36:14 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Paul Smedley wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> No Dennis, you misunderstood.
>>
>> There is no IBMWB in this equation. The problem is caused by Firefox 
>> and Thunderbird themselves. Paul has confirmed that he also has this 
>> problem. If Thunderbird is started before firefox and one then tries 
>> to start firefox from its desktop icon, XPCOM.DLL has an access 
>> violation and fails. Firefox can however be started by clicking on a 
>> web link in an e-mail in thunderbird without problems.
>>
>> If Firefox is started first and then Thunderbird, there is no problem.
>>
>> Paul uses the Run! program to get around the problem, however, I have 
>> had this working previously, so I'd like to know why it is now a 
>> problem.
>
>
> What versions of FF & Tbird are you running? Unless they're built from 
> the same source code (usually meaning they'll have the same version 
> numbers) - this problem will occur....
>
I am using
Thunderbird v1.0
Firefox v1.0.4
Regards
Dennis.

> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
 
>
> 

>
>
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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:29 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

As I said previously, I'm running Firefox ver 1.0.4 and Thunderbird ver 1.0

I've just done some testing, when both are running, they both use the 
same xpcom.dll, The firefox version is used by both if firefox is 
started first, and the thunderbird one if thunderbird is started first.

You can check which one is running by double clicking the icon, if it's 
not in use e.exe will open it, if it's being used, you will get an error 
dialog denying you access to it.

They are different as the Firefox one is 478,758 bytes and the 
Thunderbird version is 479,039 bytes.

Ed, if you can do this test when you have the error and see if it's 
accessing the same or the other xpcom.dll file.
It could be that the error is deeper than the xpcom.dll but it is being 
passed back to it to report.

regards
Dennis.

Paul Smedley wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>>> What versions of FF & Tbird are you running? Unless they're built 
>>> from the same source code (usually meaning they'll have the same 
>>> version numbers) - this problem will occur....
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>> -
>>
>>
>>
>> Thunderbird v 1.02 anf Firefox v 1.04 - so different versions, but as 
>> far as I could see the latest versions in both cases.
>
>
> Yep - latest available - but Thunderbird would be build from an older 
> version of xpcom - to run both concurrently _reliably_, you'll need to 
> use Run!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
 
>
> 

>
>
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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:17:15 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> As I said previously, I'm running Firefox ver 1.0.4 and Thunderbird 
> ver 1.0
>
> I've just done some testing, when both are running, they both use the 
> same xpcom.dll, The firefox version is used by both if firefox is 
> started first, and the thunderbird one if thunderbird is started first.
>
> You can check which one is running by double clicking the icon, if 
> it's not in use e.exe will open it, if it's being used, you will get 
> an error dialog denying you access to it.
>
> They are different as the Firefox one is 478,758 bytes and the 
> Thunderbird version is 479,039 bytes.
>
> Ed, if you can do this test when you have the error and see if it's 
> accessing the same or the other xpcom.dll file.
> It could be that the error is deeper than the xpcom.dll but it is 
> being passed back to it to report.
>
> regards
> Dennis.
>
>
Good idea  - EXCEPT when I get the SYS3175 error, I cannot switch to 
another session such as a cmd prompt (even if it's already open), to see 
if I can open either of the xpcom.dlls with E.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:09:17 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

I just had a quick look at the help file

SYS3175: A program in this session encountered a problem and
cannot continue.

EXPLANATION: An access violation exception occurred and was generated
when an attempt was made either to load or store data in an inaccessible
location or to execute an inaccessible instruction.  This exception
corresponds to both the Intel 80386 processor general protection fault
(#13), caused by an invalid access attempt, and the page fault (#14),
caused by an attempt to access an uncommitted page or a page with
incorrect attributes for the desired operation.

ACTION: If you purchased this program, contact the supplier of the
program.  If you are the developer of this program, refer to the
information in the register.

As you can see, it's a memory access problem.

I assume that you have plenty of free disk space so that it isn't a case 
of running out.
Also that your RAM is ok, though it has been my experience that OS/2 has 
the habit of avoiding the use of faulty memory, but still it can't be 
discounted.

The other thing that causes trouble for firefox is Flash.
Try removing all plugins, some of them can be diabolical.

Have you looked into the c:\popuplog.os2 file, and see what is reported 
in there.

At this stage, because I have eCS 1.2 I would be starting from scratch 
and reinstalling eCS.
I would also deselect IBMWB and Mozilla and only install java 1.4.2
Sorry, but based upon the nature of the error, I can't think of anyone 
who has the tools to work out what your problem is.

Regards
Dennis.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> As I said previously, I'm running Firefox ver 1.0.4 and Thunderbird 
>> ver 1.0
>>
>> I've just done some testing, when both are running, they both use the 
>> same xpcom.dll, The firefox version is used by both if firefox is 
>> started first, and the thunderbird one if thunderbird is started first.
>>
>> You can check which one is running by double clicking the icon, if 
>> it's not in use e.exe will open it, if it's being used, you will get 
>> an error dialog denying you access to it.
>>
>> They are different as the Firefox one is 478,758 bytes and the 
>> Thunderbird version is 479,039 bytes.
>>
>> Ed, if you can do this test when you have the error and see if it's 
>> accessing the same or the other xpcom.dll file.
>> It could be that the error is deeper than the xpcom.dll but it is 
>> being passed back to it to report.
>>
>> regards
>> Dennis.
>>
>>
> Good idea  - EXCEPT when I get the SYS3175 error, I cannot switch to 
> another session such as a cmd prompt (even if it's already open), to 
> see if I can open either of the xpcom.dlls with E.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
 
>
> 

>
>
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:28:25 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> I just had a quick look at the help file
>
>
> SYS3175: A program in this session encountered a problem and
> cannot continue.
>
> EXPLANATION: An access violation exception occurred and was generated
> when an attempt was made either to load or store data in an inaccessible
> location or to execute an inaccessible instruction.  This exception
> corresponds to both the Intel 80386 processor general protection fault
> (#13), caused by an invalid access attempt, and the page fault (#14),
> caused by an attempt to access an uncommitted page or a page with
> incorrect attributes for the desired operation.
>
> ACTION: If you purchased this program, contact the supplier of the
> program.  If you are the developer of this program, refer to the
> information in the register.
>
>
> As you can see, it's a memory access problem.
>
> I assume that you have plenty of free disk space so that it isn't a 
> case of running out.
> Also that your RAM is ok, though it has been my experience that OS/2 
> has the habit of avoiding the use of faulty memory, but still it can't 
> be discounted.
>
> The other thing that causes trouble for firefox is Flash.
> Try removing all plugins, some of them can be diabolical.
>
> Have you looked into the c:\popuplog.os2 file, and see what is 
> reported in there.
>
> At this stage, because I have eCS 1.2 I would be starting from scratch 
> and reinstalling eCS.
> I would also deselect IBMWB and Mozilla and only install java 1.4.2
> Sorry, but based upon the nature of the error, I can't think of anyone 
> who has the tools to work out what your problem is.
>
> Regards
> Dennis.

Hi Dennis,

  Well I don't consider this slight inconvienience a reason to 
re-install the OS !

  I "may" have found the problem, running PMDLL, it reports that some 
DLLs cannot be found although they are actualy there. I'm starting to 
think that the culprit is as silly as the Mozilla_Home location. 

  I may now remove all versions of Mozilla including IBMWB de-install 
and re-install firefox and Thunderbird, installing Thunderbird first and 
then Firefox.

  While a memory problem can always be the reason for just about any 
computer problem, I would expect to have problems in other programs and 
not to get rid of the problem, simply by changing the order of loading 
the programs.

  I thought from the start that this has to be a DLL issue, however 
Libpath is OK, the programs working directories are correct, however 
Mozilla and I presume Firefox do change their internal search paths 
based on the mozilla_home statement (or used to).

 I'll let you know how I get on.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:45:28 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Guys,

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>  I thought from the start that this has to be a DLL issue, however 
> Libpath is OK, the programs working directories are correct, however 
> Mozilla and I presume Firefox do change their internal search paths 
> based on the mozilla_home statement (or used to).

Guys - the ONLY way to reliably run two different versions of Firefox & 
Thunderbird simultaneously is to use either run! - or use a .cmd file 
that sets libpathstrict

This topic has been done to death on netscape.public.mozilla.os2

Cheers,

Paul.
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:05:31 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> I just had a quick look at the help file
>>
>>
>> SYS3175: A program in this session encountered a problem and
>> cannot continue.
>>
>> EXPLANATION: An access violation exception occurred and was generated
>> when an attempt was made either to load or store data in an inaccessible
>> location or to execute an inaccessible instruction.  This exception
>> corresponds to both the Intel 80386 processor general protection fault
>> (#13), caused by an invalid access attempt, and the page fault (#14),
>> caused by an attempt to access an uncommitted page or a page with
>> incorrect attributes for the desired operation.
>>
>> ACTION: If you purchased this program, contact the supplier of the
>> program.  If you are the developer of this program, refer to the
>> information in the register.
>>
>>
>> As you can see, it's a memory access problem.
>>
>> I assume that you have plenty of free disk space so that it isn't a 
>> case of running out.
>> Also that your RAM is ok, though it has been my experience that OS/2 
>> has the habit of avoiding the use of faulty memory, but still it 
>> can't be discounted.
>>
>> The other thing that causes trouble for firefox is Flash.
>> Try removing all plugins, some of them can be diabolical.
>>
>> Have you looked into the c:\popuplog.os2 file, and see what is 
>> reported in there.
>>
>> At this stage, because I have eCS 1.2 I would be starting from 
>> scratch and reinstalling eCS.
>> I would also deselect IBMWB and Mozilla and only install java 1.4.2
>> Sorry, but based upon the nature of the error, I can't think of 
>> anyone who has the tools to work out what your problem is.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dennis.
>
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
>  Well I don't consider this slight inconvienience a reason to 
> re-install the OS !
>
>  I "may" have found the problem, running PMDLL, it reports that some 
> DLLs cannot be found although they are actualy there. I'm starting to 
> think that the culprit is as silly as the Mozilla_Home location.
>  I may now remove all versions of Mozilla including IBMWB de-install 
> and re-install firefox and Thunderbird, installing Thunderbird first 
> and then Firefox.
>
>  While a memory problem can always be the reason for just about any 
> computer problem, I would expect to have problems in other programs 
> and not to get rid of the problem, simply by changing the order of 
> loading the programs.
>
>  I thought from the start that this has to be a DLL issue, however 
> Libpath is OK, the programs working directories are correct, however 
> Mozilla and I presume Firefox do change their internal search paths 
> based on the mozilla_home statement (or used to).
>
> I'll let you know how I get on.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
 
>
> 

>
>
MOZILLA_HOME is used to point to the profiles.
Now maybe in the profiles there are references to default directories or 
such.

But I remember that when I bit the bullet and removed Mozilla and the 
IBMWB I also created a specific directory which MOZILLA_HOME pointed to.
I also created a separate plugin directory which MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH pointed to.
And finally an Internet directory which has the Firefox and Thunderbird 
directories in.
Three separate directories.

I also did a search of all files looking for "Mozilla" Or moz in the 
filename and inside the file.

Also the registry with regedit2 and remove the WPDEFAULTURLBROWSER entries.

And of course ditched all the files and directory structure.

If as you probably do, have your firefox and thunderbird profiles in the 
current MOZILLA_HOME directory. They need to be completely removed 
before reinstalling firefox and thunderbird. Even with a MOZILLA_HOME 
pointing to another directory, if there is a firefox or thunderbird 
directory at the default location it will cause you grief. And could 
explain your current predicament.
This means that you loose your saved email and bookmarks.
Copy them to somewhere else out of the way if you must, but if they stay 
in their default locations, when thunderbird and firefox reinstall they 
will find them.

Just a thought, you don't have more than one thunderbird or firefox 
profile on your system do you?
Hopefully when I get home from my trip down to gippsland tomorrow I will 
hear that you are full steam ahead, problem solved.

Anyway Good Luck.

Regards

Dennis.

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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:13:09 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Dennis Nolan wrote:

>
>
> MOZILLA_HOME is used to point to the profiles.
> Now maybe in the profiles there are references to default directories 
> or such.
>
> But I remember that when I bit the bullet and removed Mozilla and the 
> IBMWB I also created a specific directory which MOZILLA_HOME pointed to.
> I also created a separate plugin directory which MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH 
> pointed to.
> And finally an Internet directory which has the Firefox and 
> Thunderbird directories in.
> Three separate directories.
>
> I also did a search of all files looking for "Mozilla" Or moz in the 
> filename and inside the file.
>
> Also the registry with regedit2 and remove the WPDEFAULTURLBROWSER 
> entries.
>
> And of course ditched all the files and directory structure.
>
> If as you probably do, have your firefox and thunderbird profiles in 
> the current MOZILLA_HOME directory. They need to be completely removed 
> before reinstalling firefox and thunderbird. Even with a MOZILLA_HOME 
> pointing to another directory, if there is a firefox or thunderbird 
> directory at the default location it will cause you grief. And could 
> explain your current predicament.
> This means that you loose your saved email and bookmarks.
> Copy them to somewhere else out of the way if you must, but if they 
> stay in their default locations, when thunderbird and firefox 
> reinstall they will find them.
>
> Just a thought, you don't have more than one thunderbird or firefox 
> profile on your system do you?
> Hopefully when I get home from my trip down to gippsland tomorrow I 
> will hear that you are full steam ahead, problem solved.
>
>
> Anyway Good Luck.
>
> Regards
>
> Dennis.

Just tried using CMD files - still no change.

Yes I understand that I'll need to clean everything up if I want to 100% 
remove Mozilla and IBMWB.

One one copy of (and profile from) Thunderbird and Firefox.

What really Gnaws is that a week ago, everything worked as it should 
with exectly these versions of FF and TB !!

I'll give RUN! a try now.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:35:03 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problems again with Firefox

Ed Durrant wrote:

Well as Paul predicted - Run! worked, all other options failed !

Cheers/2

Ed.

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