Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1100
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:01:09 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 28 April 2005
 Number  1100
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Subjects for today
 
1   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
2  Re:  EPSON C65 PRINTER : nickl at pacific dot net dot au
3  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
4  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
5  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
6  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
7  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
10  Re:  EPSON C65 PRINTER : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
12  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:58:10 +1000
From:  Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
Subject:   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Hi all

I've just obtained a ThinkPad R51 notebook and need guidance to get eCS 
1.2 installed.

It comes with XP Pro installed and all in the one partition.

A complication is that the OS source files are in a hidden partition on 
the hard drive.

Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP 
partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.

Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the 
existing XP or hidden partition.

Regards

Dennis.
 
Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
Repair & Maintenance

Contact Details:

        Workshop        03 5950 7484
        Fax             03 5950 7934

        Email:          dennis.nolan at defence.gov.au

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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:17:15 +0900
From:  nickl at pacific dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  EPSON C65 PRINTER

Hi All Again

In <426CCB82.4070605 at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 04/25/2005 
   at 08:50 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:

>nickl at pacific dot net dot au wrote:

>>Hi All Again
>>
>>Looks like some bad news...

Good and Bad <more>.
..
>>
>>In <200504250111.j3P1BY0H011555 at mailproxy2.pacific dot net dot au>, on 04/25/2005 
>>   at 08:58 AM, nickl at pacific dot net dot au said:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>In <426B8FE6.50708 at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 04/24/2005 
>>>  at 10:24 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>>Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>>>nickl at pacific dot net dot au wrote:
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>--------- snip -------
>>>    
>>>
>>>>>If possible, the best way to network a printer is to use a NULL 
>>>>>"pass-through" driver on the system that is sharing the printer, then 
>>>>>use the correct driver on the CLIENT PC with "printer specific format" 
>>>>>selected if available. This should then work.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have the sharing PC using one driver and the client PC (whether 
>>>>>OS2-eCS, windows or linux) using another, you will get exactly the 
>>>>>problem you describe.
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Thanks for that, and also thanks for other suggestions.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Firstly, tried installing the C80 Driver....no difference. Nothing's
>>>changed from above.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Now Ed, please excuse me, but I'm a bit lost. :-) What is a NULL Driver.
>>>Is that the one eCs-OS/2 installs first up, on installation before one
>>>selects the Driver for a specific printer?
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Looking closer at your mail, when I have enabled a Network Printer from
>>>the Template, When asked I have enabled the epomni5 C60 Driver. What I
>>>should have enabled is the NULL driver. Is that correct?
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>I'm going to try that now.....
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Oh, BTW, I cannot seem to get rid of all the previous attempts of
>>>installing this Printer. When trying to delete them (have accessed them
>>>through a non-default Printer), I get the Message WTTE "cannot delete
>>>this(these) driver(S) as they are in use..." Please tell me what I'm
>>>missing.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Have a good A.N.Z.A.C. Day, and thanks for your help.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>NICK
>>>    
>>>
>>-------------------------------
>>adding onto that:
>>
>>Well, I "bit the bullet". Took the C65 and hooked it up to the P200.
>>Wierd! If I started the Computer the Printer had no power. And vice-versa!
>>And this is after putting the power cords on different outlets. Also put
>>the new you-beaut parallel cable on. Ended up by starting the computer,
>>waited to BM, then started the printer. Installed the software, found me a
>>text file (Flash5 install readme.txt) and Printed. Nothing happened.
>>Looked at the Default Settings. Said it was "Photo". Went back and set it
>>to "economy" and "black". It printed a very nice text file from the AE
>>editor. Getting a bit gamer, set it now to "text/graph". The old problem
>>returned with form-feeding and lots of ascii text.
>>
>>So if it does that locally, networking it will not work. A pity, as I
>>don't think there would be much to do to get it to work for eCs-OS/2. In
>>older apps I had, some printers would have no trouble printying a text
>>file, but as soon as it became printer-specific, it didn't want to know.
>>
>>Another "giveaway" was that the printers I know would "reboot" on hardware
>>startup and OS startup. This one only did the hardware startup. Maybe
>>that's not accurate, but it seemed the precursor of something bad.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>NICK
>>  
>>

>Sorry Nick - I just read all of your e-mail and you are using Epson Omni 
>5 - that's OK, but if you can't remove the old code, you WILL be picking 
>up the wrong components  of the old driver instead of the new one you 
>are trying to install.

>You MUST remove the old printers. If you cannot de-install these by 
>simply deleting the printer ICON and replying yes to the question about 
>de-installation, you'll need to trawl through os2.ini and os2sys.ini and 
>remove enties manualy with inimaint, then go and remove the printer 
>queue directory under C:\Spool. You'll probably need to reboot between 
>these two actions and the after the second.

>Then you should be able to do a clean install of the C60 driver from 
>EPOMNI5.

>Cheers/2

>Ed.

Well finally, finally I've got those printer drivers cleared. Using John's
idea of the Epson 9-pin Printer didn't work for me, as well as deleting
the icons, using INIMAINT and deleting the SPOOL entries. 

Oh, Ed, I *did* find the SPOOL directory. It was in c:\var\spool. Thanks.

I dug out a thing called "prndrv.exe" - It came with my original PMFax
software, and it lifted the lot, but also killed the drivers for my other
printers as well. Re-installing the drivers for one, seems to have fixed
that.

Re-installed the Network C-65 using the C80 driver. Back to formfeeding
again. At this point I'm giving up for the momnet...there seems to be a
big difference between the C62 and the C65. It's not a real problem for
me....I have a very capable HP DeskJet 500C and Canon S100 here, but it
would have been nice to network to the new Epson. Both the former printers
come up nicely on XP.

I will report my findings to OS2warp.be. Is there anyone else in the
heirachy that would be interested, I  wonder? Maybe they may release a new
driver in the future that may accept the C-65.

Anyhow, thanks for all of your help. We'll see what the future brings.

Regards

NICK

> 

-----------------------------------------------------------
nickl at pacific dot net dot au
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:04:19 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au schreef:

>Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP 
>partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.
>
>  
>
LVM and PQ aren't happy bedfellows at all. Standard Derenity advise it 
not to use PQ. But it is reported to be doable on condition you proceed 
with the aid of DFsee.

>Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the 
>existing XP or hidden partition.
>
>  
>
I took it the hard way: replaced the 40 Giga disk by a blank 80 Giga. 
But you have to admit, albeit it's covered with dust somewhere on the 
attic, the XP partition hasn't been screwed at all. <G>

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:41:55 +0930
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Hi,

On 28/4/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> wrote:

>
>
>Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au schreef:
>
>>Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP
>>partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.
>>
>>
>>
>LVM and PQ aren't happy bedfellows at all. Standard Derenity advise it
>not to use PQ. But it is reported to be doable on condition you proceed
>with the aid of DFsee.

But if he's just got the system - and hasn't yet installed eCS - there
won't be any LVM information on the disk to get screwed up.....

The recommendation to be cautious with Partition magic only relates to
systems where OS/2 & LVM are already installed.

>>Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the
>>existing XP or hidden partition.

Depends what filesystem the XP is using... if it's fat32 - DFSee can do
the resize for you (that's what I did on my Acer laptop).  However, if
it's NTFS then you would have to use Partition Magic to resize the
WinXP partition.

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:09:50 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Hi Dennis,

I have never played with one of these "recovery" partition laptops and am
not sure wether shrinking the WinXP c: will adversely effect the recovery
routines.

But if you are willing to risk it, then you would need to use Partition Magic 8
as the earlier versions will not fully handle the version of NTFS (I presume) 
that will be in place.  If Fat32 then you can use the earlier version 6 also.

That said, once you install eCS then you must NOT use PM 8 at all, as it will
destroy any and all HPFS partitions.  And as others have said, ALL PM
products will destroy the LVM signatures in the partition and MBR but this 
can be overcome and is merely a nuisance.

PM 6.01 is the LAST version that had working HPFS support.  But it is ok
to use PM8 UNTIL you install eCS and from then on, you MUST NOT
use PM 8 ever again.!

If you want to backup the WinXP and the Hidden partition, you could 
possibly use an external USB box and use a usb aware imaging 
program to backup.  This can be done from inside XP with Acronis
True Image product or from bootable (linux) cd or floppies.  And YES
you can backup the partition that you run the Acronis TI from, 
even though WinXP is running.  I have not yet done so to an external
USB box but I have done it while running XP and saving to another
partition and also restored successfully.

Ghost 8 also claims USB support, but I have not used it either.

HTH,
Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
28 April 2005   15:07

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:58:10 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I've just obtained a ThinkPad R51 notebook and need guidance to get eCS 
> 1.2 installed.
> 
> It comes with XP Pro installed and all in the one partition.
> 
> A complication is that the OS source files are in a hidden partition on 
> the hard drive.
> 
> Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP 
> partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.
> 
> Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the 
> existing XP or hidden partition.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dennis.
>  
> Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
> Repair & Maintenance
> 
> Contact Details:
> 
>         Workshop        03 5950 7484
>         Fax             03 5950 7934
> 
>         Email:          dennis.nolan at defence.gov.au
> 
> 
> LEGAL NOTICE
> IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence 
> Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the 
> Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are 
> requested to contact the sender and delete the email
> [attachments have been removed]

>  

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:23:42 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

My 2 penneth worth!!  Tha last time I had a customer with this type of 
setup, there was an icon somewhere in Windoze to allow the user to burn 
their own set of WIN CDs.  Presumably for the many future reinstalls 
that will be required.  The machine in this case was a Dell desktop, but 
I'd guess that most are similar.  This allowed him to burn the CDs, 
completely clear the hard drive and install eCS.  I don't know if he's 
tried reinstalling Windoze though.

Cheers
Kev

Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 28/4/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>>Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au schreef:
>>
>>
>>>Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP
>>>partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>LVM and PQ aren't happy bedfellows at all. Standard Derenity advise it
>>not to use PQ. But it is reported to be doable on condition you proceed
>>with the aid of DFsee.
> 
> 
> But if he's just got the system - and hasn't yet installed eCS - there
> won't be any LVM information on the disk to get screwed up.....
> 
> The recommendation to be cautious with Partition magic only relates to
> systems where OS/2 & LVM are already installed.
> 
> 
>>>Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the
>>>existing XP or hidden partition.
> 
> 
> Depends what filesystem the XP is using... if it's fat32 - DFSee can do
> the resize for you (that's what I did on my Acer laptop).  However, if
> it's NTFS then you would have to use Partition Magic to resize the
> WinXP partition.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul.

>  
> ===========================================
> 
> 

-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:45:55 +1000
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Hi Denis,

I know you wanted to know about partitions and such but, from all 
accounts the R series are IBM's bastard children of laptops; not OS/2 / 
Ecs friendly at all.  I'm not sure what changes have been made since the 
R40, but said model has had a great deal of trouble just installing the 
basics of OS/2, with constant startup problems and Traps during the 
installation process.  If by some miracle the install is successful, 
then there is the problem of graphics, sound and networking.  Snap 
"might" support the graphics system in a nonaccelerated form (vesa 
perhaps) otherwise there are no drivers for OS/2.  Same for the sound 
chips depending on what chip is used.  I haven't checked the OS/2 laptop 
site for a while since many of the pages were still in the process of 
relocation, so I don't know if it has any info on the R51 or not.  IBM 
themselves have stated that the T series is the only Thinkpad that 
supports OS/2, although some have had success installing on the A series 
with usablility limitations.

Anyway here's the site:
http://www.os2warp.be/index2.php?name=notebook2

Cheers
G
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:56:30 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Gavin Miller schreef:

> Hi Denis,
>
> I know you wanted to know about partitions and such but, from all 
> accounts the R series are IBM's bastard children of laptops; not OS/2 
> / Ecs friendly at all.

They are just as friendly  or  unfriendly (according to your  taste ) as 
any other TP NOW. For now all TP do have the very same internals: same 
audio chip, same video chip, same modem, same nic, same etc--- etc...

So the only difference is in the cosmetics: T and X series case are made 
in Titanium, internal NIC, modem etc could be  included or not, the TPp 
have a better LCD (and hence more video memory), screen size could be 
12", 14", 15" ... etc

Bottom line:

1. in respect to OS2-eCS all TP have a working:

- internal NIC
- Audio (soundmax)
- working PCMCIA ( but you need cards with drivers too of course)

2. in respect to OS2-eCS all TP have no drivers for:

- the internal modem
- the internal wireless.

As times do change, it's about time to move on. :-)

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:56:24 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Thanks everyone for the info.

After reading and absorbing your advice and going to some of the links 
that were suggested I am heartened and think that it can be done.
If I feel adventurous over the weekend I'll give it a try.

It seems that the recovery partition is hidden in the bios and PM 8 wont 
see or effect it.

It also seems that the OEM license is for any version of windows and not 
restricted to that which is on the recovery partition, so any XP Pro 
disks can be borrowed to reinstall if needed.

So stay tuned for the results.

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:
> Hi Dennis,
> 
> I have never played with one of these "recovery" partition laptops and am
> not sure wether shrinking the WinXP c: will adversely effect the recovery
> routines.
> 
> But if you are willing to risk it, then you would need to use Partition Magic 8
> as the earlier versions will not fully handle the version of NTFS (I presume) 
> that will be in place.  If Fat32 then you can use the earlier version 6 also.
> 
> That said, once you install eCS then you must NOT use PM 8 at all, as it will
> destroy any and all HPFS partitions.  And as others have said, ALL PM
> products will destroy the LVM signatures in the partition and MBR but this 
> can be overcome and is merely a nuisance.
> 
> PM 6.01 is the LAST version that had working HPFS support.  But it is ok
> to use PM8 UNTIL you install eCS and from then on, you MUST NOT
> use PM 8 ever again.!
> 
> If you want to backup the WinXP and the Hidden partition, you could 
> possibly use an external USB box and use a usb aware imaging 
> program to backup.  This can be done from inside XP with Acronis
> True Image product or from bootable (linux) cd or floppies.  And YES
> you can backup the partition that you run the Acronis TI from, 
> even though WinXP is running.  I have not yet done so to an external
> USB box but I have done it while running XP and saving to another
> partition and also restored successfully.
> 
> Ghost 8 also claims USB support, but I have not used it either.
> 
> HTH,
> Regards,
> Robert Traynor (BobT).
> 28 April 2005   15:07
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:58:10 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:
> 
>>Hi all
>>
>>I've just obtained a ThinkPad R51 notebook and need guidance to get eCS 
>>1.2 installed.
>>
>>It comes with XP Pro installed and all in the one partition.
>>
>>A complication is that the OS source files are in a hidden partition on 
>>the hard drive.
>>
>>Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP 
>>partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.
>>
>>Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the 
>>existing XP or hidden partition.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Dennis.
>> 
>>Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
>>Repair & Maintenance
>>
>>Contact Details:
>>
>>        Workshop        03 5950 7484
>>        Fax             03 5950 7934
>>
>>        Email:          dennis.nolan at defence.gov.au
>>
>>
>>LEGAL NOTICE
>>IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence 
>>Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the 
>>Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are 
>>requested to contact the sender and delete the email
>>[attachments have been removed]

>> 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/ 
> 
> 

>  

> 
> 
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:27:21 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  EPSON C65 PRINTER

nickl at pacific dot net dot au wrote:

>
>Well finally, finally I've got those printer drivers cleared. Using John's
>idea of the Epson 9-pin Printer didn't work for me, as well as deleting
>the icons, using INIMAINT and deleting the SPOOL entries. 
>
>Oh, Ed, I *did* find the SPOOL directory. It was in c:\var\spool. Thanks.
>
>I dug out a thing called "prndrv.exe" - It came with my original PMFax
>software, and it lifted the lot, but also killed the drivers for my other
>printers as well. Re-installing the drivers for one, seems to have fixed
>that.
>
>Re-installed the Network C-65 using the C80 driver. Back to formfeeding
>again. At this point I'm giving up for the momnet...there seems to be a
>big difference between the C62 and the C65. It's not a real problem for
>me....I have a very capable HP DeskJet 500C and Canon S100 here, but it
>would have been nice to network to the new Epson. Both the former printers
>come up nicely on XP.
>
>I will report my findings to OS2warp.be. Is there anyone else in the
>heirachy that would be interested, I  wonder? Maybe they may release a new
>driver in the future that may accept the C-65.
>
>Anyhow, thanks for all of your help. We'll see what the future brings.
>
>Regards
>
>NICK
>
>
>  
>
 Hi Nick,

   If you wanted to be bothered, what you could do is set the print 
spooler to write to a diskfile rather than to the device itself and then 
open the resultant file with a hex editor to see what the driver is 
actually putting out to the printer. If you can get the technical manual 
for the printer, it ought to tell you what it expects as command 
strings. Given that, you could try all of the Epson drivers to see if 
any create the correct data for your model. You could also try different 
combinations of "printer specific format" or not etc.

  I wonder if anyone has done a hardware comparison  on the net that 
lists printers that use the exact same instruction set as yours - then 
you could see if one of those printers has drivers for OS/2.

Then of course there's Win32Prn which uses the Windows driver and Odin 
to print under OS/2 - this is defintely a "do it yourself" solution that 
needs a bit of work to make work and at the end apparently it can't 
support colour printing only black and white.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:02:46 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:

>Hi Dennis,
>
>I have never played with one of these "recovery" partition laptops and am
>not sure wether shrinking the WinXP c: will adversely effect the recovery
>routines.
>
>But if you are willing to risk it, then you would need to use Partition Magic 8
>as the earlier versions will not fully handle the version of NTFS (I presume) 
>that will be in place.  If Fat32 then you can use the earlier version 6 also.
>
>That said, once you install eCS then you must NOT use PM 8 at all, as it will
>destroy any and all HPFS partitions.  And as others have said, ALL PM
>products will destroy the LVM signatures in the partition and MBR but this 
>can be overcome and is merely a nuisance.
>
>PM 6.01 is the LAST version that had working HPFS support.  But it is ok
>to use PM8 UNTIL you install eCS and from then on, you MUST NOT
>use PM 8 ever again.!
>
>If you want to backup the WinXP and the Hidden partition, you could 
>possibly use an external USB box and use a usb aware imaging 
>program to backup.  This can be done from inside XP with Acronis
>True Image product or from bootable (linux) cd or floppies.  And YES
>you can backup the partition that you run the Acronis TI from, 
>even though WinXP is running.  I have not yet done so to an external
>USB box but I have done it while running XP and saving to another
>partition and also restored successfully.
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>Ghost 8 also claims USB support, but I have not used it either.
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>HTH,
>Regards,
>Robert Traynor (BobT).
>28 April 2005   15:07
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>On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:58:10 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:
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>>Hi all
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>>I've just obtained a ThinkPad R51 notebook and need guidance to get eCS 
>>1.2 installed.
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>>It comes with XP Pro installed and all in the one partition.
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>>A complication is that the OS source files are in a hidden partition on 
>>the hard drive.
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>>Before I learned of the hidden partition I had planed to shrink the XP 
>>partition with Partition Magic and then partition the drive and install.
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>>Does anyone know the best way of installing eCS without screwing up the 
>>existing XP or hidden partition.
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>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Dennis.
>> 
>>Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
>>Repair & Maintenance
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Having done what Denis is talking about now, on both a thinkpad R31 and 
Thinkpad T42 (with help from others on this and other lists), here's my 
advice. ...

No 1: ensure XP is installed and fully running.
No 2: disable hibernation within XP properties and run Defrag (otherwise 
XP leaves hibernation "bits" up at the top of what looks like a clear 
partition space.
No 3: Buy DFSee v 7.02 or newer, boot from the CD and use it to resize 
the XP (NTFS) partition down.
No 4: restart and check XP still works - if not restore from the backup 
that you should have taken "somehow" prior to starting this action !!
No 5: boot from Warp 4 CP2 boot CD and go into command line and run LCU 
to prepare the disk for LVM partitions.
No 6. reboot
No 7: reboot from Warp 4 CP2 Boot CD and run LVM to A). Install Boot 
manager and B). create your OS/2 Partition(s) in the space you created 
earlier.
No 8: remove CD and restart - make sure you can select XP in the boot 
manager - it's very likely at this point that WinXP will run a full 
checkdisk to "fix" the XP partition - let it.
No 9: shutdown and boot from you Install CD (OS/2 Warp 4 or eCS as 
appropraite) and install the OS to your new partition (s).

Done.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:07:04 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Think Pad R51

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Hi Denis,
>
> I know you wanted to know about partitions and such but, from all 
> accounts the R series are IBM's bastard children of laptops; not OS/2 
> / Ecs friendly at all.  I'm not sure what changes have been made since 
> the R40, but said model has had a great deal of trouble just 
> installing the basics of OS/2, with constant startup problems and 
> Traps during the installation process.  If by some miracle the install 
> is successful, then there is the problem of graphics, sound and 
> networking.  Snap "might" support the graphics system in a 
> nonaccelerated form (vesa perhaps) otherwise there are no drivers for 
> OS/2.  Same for the sound chips depending on what chip is used.  I 
> haven't checked the OS/2 laptop site for a while since many of the 
> pages were still in the process of relocation, so I don't know if it 
> has any info on the R51 or not.  IBM themselves have stated that the T 
> series is the only Thinkpad that supports OS/2, although some have had 
> success installing on the A series with usablility limitations.
>
> Anyway here's the site:
> http://www.os2warp.be/index2.php?name=notebook2
>
> Cheers
> G
 
>
> 

>
Actually the only thing I couldn't get to work under OS/2 on my R31 was 
the inbuilt WinModem.
All of the rest had OS/2 drivers - they weren't listed nicely under the 
R-Series support driver matrix as the T series OS/2 drivers are, however 
a bit of looking around found all that was needed. Looking in WinXP to 
see what chipsets etc. were used made it easier to find the correct 
drivers. Network is Intel Pro, Video works with Scitech Snap, the rest 
is pretty standard.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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