Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1059
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:01:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 23 February 2005
 Number  1059
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
2  Re:  Anyone ? : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
3  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  LVM and PM : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
9  Re:  LVM and PM : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
10  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
11   Serenity Systems and where is eCS going? : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
12  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
14  Re:  Serenity Systems and where is eCS going? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
15  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
16  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
17  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
18  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:25:34 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

Hi Voytek,

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>Mike, you oughta RTFM sometimes.....
>after you've enabled Mouse action:
>  
>
I have this enabled all the time by default.

>scrape - drag whilst simultaneously holding down the default mouse button.
>when the desired area has been covered, click the non-default mouse
>button, releasing both simultaenously,
>
Actually there's no need to release the default mouse button at that 
time, because pasting occurs as soon as the non-default button is released.

> or as close to simultaneously as
>your dexterity allows you
>
>click, opps, meant 'chord' - simultaneously rapidly press and release both
>the non default mouse button, as well as the default mouse button
>
>now try doing it
>  
>
works fine for me [with poor manual dexterity! :-( ] with normal [LBM - 
drag] button assignment as follows:

1.Drag-select
2. click RMB to copy while LMB still down
3. click and hold LMB in target
4. click RMB to paste [not actually "chording" which is just pressing & 
releasing both buttons simultaneously!]
5. release LMB.
repeat 3-5 for multiple pastes

>once mastered on command line, you can proceed to use scrape/chord in E ,
>or PRM, or FireFox (but not DeScribe)
>
>but I still want a mouse with an Enter key, maybe we can get a better deal
>if we buy two ?
>
>;>)
>
definitely an improvement over using CTRL-insert/SHIFT-insert 
[CTRL-C/CTRL-V]!

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Regards,
Mike

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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:00:00 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Anyone ?

Hi Ed

Pointed him to netlabs as well as InnoTek

Cheers/1 :)

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Microsoft Tech Support: 2 hand puppets, 3 Bozos, and a hold button.
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:30:40 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> Mike O'Connor said:
> 
>>Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>scrape - copy
>>>>click - paste
> 
> 
>>Thanks! Hadn't realised that the Enter-key put the selected data on the
>>clipboard in OS/2-eCS also! :-)
>>I had previously been using the context menu to do that too!
> 
> 
> enter-key ?
> I want a mouse like that, too.
> 
> where can I get a mouse with an Enter-Key ?
> 
> jeez, I'm so far behind, yet again, still have a mouse with no enter-key
> 
> 
Voytek ! - it's on the side of the mouse between the printscreen, and 
escape keys !!!

Point taken, but if you want to use the mouse rather than the enter key, 
you can of course select edit/copy in the dropdowm menu.

Cheers/2

Ed,
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:00 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

Ed Durrant said:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> Mike O'Connor said:

>>>Ed Durrant wrote:

>>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:

>>>>>scrape - copy
>>>>>click - paste

> Voytek ! - it's on the side of the mouse between the printscreen, and
> escape keys !!!
>
> Point taken, but if you want to use the mouse rather than the enter key,
> you can of course select edit/copy in the dropdowm menu.

too hard
too complicated
too many things to remember
and what if you select wrong pull down item ?

how can anything be simpler than scrape/click to copy/paste
and, why should it require more than scrape/click ?

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:55:30 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> Ed Durrant said:
> 
>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>
>>>Mike O'Connor said:
> 
> 
>>>>Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>>>scrape - copy
>>>>>>click - paste
> 
> 
> 
>>Voytek ! - it's on the side of the mouse between the printscreen, and
>>escape keys !!!
>>
>>Point taken, but if you want to use the mouse rather than the enter key,
>>you can of course select edit/copy in the dropdowm menu.
> 
> 
> too hard
> too complicated
> too many things to remember
> and what if you select wrong pull down item ?
> 
> how can anything be simpler than scrape/click to copy/paste
> and, why should it require more than scrape/click ?
> 
> 
If you R E A L L Y want to use Windows XP - I'm sure there's a shareware 
or freeware utility out on the internet to give you the "scrape" 
facility you require.

The original question, was are there mouse actions in a WinXP command 
prompt box - the answer remains yes. That they are different to whats in 
OS/2 is to be expected. What's better ? Probably the OS/2 
implementation, but that's not really a surprise is it ?

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:27:36 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

Ed Durrant said:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> Ed Durrant said:
>>
>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike O'Connor said:

> The original question, was are there mouse actions in a WinXP command
> prompt box - the answer remains yes. That they are different to whats in
> OS/2 is to be expected. What's better ? Probably the OS/2
> implementation, but that's not really a surprise is it ?
>
> Cheers/2

i thought the original Q was was there a mouse copy action in XP like OS/2
mouse action ?

and, I chipped in that if there is one, I'd like to know, as well (as it
annoys me whenever I ty to copy in xp that it doesn't work)

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

I guess I should have clarified.  The mouse actions I was referring to 
was to select, copy and paste from a dos session in XP.  A friend needs 
to transfer from a dos based database app to a windows app and there is 
no import feature that supports the dos app.  BTW it's not a typical 
database program like DbaseIII.  It's a proprietory one for a specific 
purpose.

Cheers
G

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>Ed Durrant said:
>  
>
>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Ed Durrant said:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Mike O'Connor said:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>
>  
>
>>The original question, was are there mouse actions in a WinXP command
>>prompt box - the answer remains yes. That they are different to whats in
>>OS/2 is to be expected. What's better ? Probably the OS/2
>>implementation, but that's not really a surprise is it ?
>>
>>Cheers/2
>>    
>>
>
>
>i thought the original Q was was there a mouse copy action in XP like OS/2
>mouse action ?
>
>and, I chipped in that if there is one, I'd like to know, as well (as it
>annoys me whenever I ty to copy in xp that it doesn't work)
>
>
>
>
>  
>
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:33:26 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  LVM and PM

Hi Alan, Mike

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> Adding to the extensive list that Kev provided, I'd suggest that you get 
> a copy of DFSee [www.dfsee dot com]!
> M$ uses a different CHS system to PowerQuest, which is different again 
> from that used by OS/2-eCS [and DFSee default]. However one can change 
> the current flavour of CHS with DFSee in order to work successfully with 
> Partition Magic/Drive Image, or LVM. It also makes it simple to alter 
> extended partition types from 05h to 0Fh as required for Win9x.

Well there you are Alan, that answers the question about changing the 
CHS figures.  I didn't know all that.
> 
> Note that the largest FAT32 partition you will be able to 
> *create/format* with any M$-NT flavour is 32GB, so Kev's comment about 
> using the balance of the first drive as a single D: partition will only 
> work for drives ~30GB.

Correctamundo!!  As FAT32 is not a fabulous FS, I'd stick to my original 
suggestion and keep this partition down to 1 or 2 gig.

> Using Partition Magic of course you can create and simultaneously format 
> FAT32 partitions >32GB.

Mike, won't this still leave Alan with the problem of different CHS 
figures when the drive is converted to an LVM drive during the eCS 
install?  In my blissful ignorance I've just gone ahead and done what 
I've done and never had this happen to me.

> When installing the initial IBM BM, I'd also create a primary partition 
> for WXP and then make it the active partition at this time.

An EXCELENT suggestion.  I 2nd that!

Kev

=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
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He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:41:46 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  LVM and PM

Hi Alan

Also note my reply to Mike O'Connor's post after yours.

Alan Duval wrote:

> I'm using Partition Magic 5.0 and Drive Image 3.0. In the DFSee forums 
> Jan says that PM does a better job of resizing and moving Partitions 
> than DFSee.
> 
>> I suspect that no versions are compatible with LVM.  
> 
> However you would think that they would keep the same CHS and LBA values.
> 
>>  3rd party products like PQMagic would have to be specifically written 
>> to be compatible with LVM.  Some are, like DFSee, but I have a 
>> feeling, deep down in my water bag, that PQMagic is not one of them.

I think Mikes post, after yours, answers these points.

> Appreciate the detailed instructions you've given me concerning 
> installing WIN XP.  I'm going to tread very carefully here. Even 
> thinking about disconnecting the drive that eCS is on.
> As yet I haven't  got my DVD burner so have backed up everything to a 
> third drive which I will definitely disconnect before hand. Also have my 
> eCS partition imaged on ZIP Disks but my eCS applications partition is 
> too large to image to Zip disks.

One of the main reasons for keeping ALL your Wintendo drives first is 
for consistent drive lettering.  So by keeping them all on the 1st 
physical drive you can do this with no problems at all.  Then when you 
re-connect the other drives, Windows won't recognize their file systems, 
won't see them anyhow, and won't want to change its drive letters. 
Where-as, with eCS it doesn't matter because you can give eCS's drives 
any letters you want.

Good idea, and obviously fail-safe.

Kev
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Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
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"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:19:57 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100, Gavin Miller wrote:

>I guess I should have clarified.  The mouse actions I was referring to 
>was to select, copy and paste from a dos session in XP.  A friend needs 
>to transfer from a dos based database app to a windows app and there is 
>no import feature that supports the dos app.  BTW it's not a typical 
>database program like DbaseIII.  It's a proprietory one for a specific 
>purpose.
>
>Cheers
>G

Hi Gavin.

Can I ask if he knows what the underlying database engine is?

Many DOS apps (like accounting packages) used to work with BTrieve (ex
Novell), and there may be help available for him if that is the case...

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:38:21 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Serenity Systems and where is eCS going?

Hello everyone.

Below is a very useful statement from Doug Clark (link to Serenity unknown by
me) explaining about Serenity and eCS.

It was originally for the benefit of some others on POSSI (the John is not
me) who were expressing frustration at the apparent lack of "action" or
future for eCS-OS/2, and I obtained Doug's permission to reproduce it for you
all.

Those of your who also subscribe to POSSI list will have seen this before of
course, although I have trimmed it from the original (for tidiness mainly)
rather than just forward it.

[Begin]

And Louis wrote...
>I have no faith in eCS and don't believe for a minute that it will be the OS/2 for years to come. 

John and Louis (and others)

I think that you guys might be unaware of what is happening in the OS/2
community and what Serenity Systems is doing. Maybe that is the fault of SS
for not getting the information out. And maybe that is all of our faults for
not distribution the information we know - I will take the blame for the last
part.

Part of this information has come out in various Warpstock meetings in the
past. So let me tell you what I know and I think you guys are unaware of. I
will put it into 2 categories: 1) What is Serenity Systems doing to benefit
OS/2? and 2) Does OS/2 really have a future?

What is Serenity Systems Doing?
-------------------------------------------
Serenity System funds the development of commercial and open source software
for OS/2. They also coordinate the development of some open source/freeware
for OS/2. Some of this software would not exist today, or not be available
today, if Serenity Systems did not fund its development or coordinate the
development. Three examples of this are: 

- the Open Office suite which Serenity Systems funded to make available to
OS/2 users.  Open Office buys the ability to read and write to the lastest
document formats of Microsoft Office - which is important for some users.

- installation of eCS on AMD Athalon 64bit processors, which is just now
going through beta.

- sVista - a virtual PC type of application for running other software on
OS/2. This also is being funded by Serenity Systems. (I admit that it is not
quite yet ready for prime time - but it is pretty close.)

Serenity Systems's funding of the development of product(s) through Innotek
also helps Innotek stay in business and provides for more applications that
Innotek can in turn use to support existing corporate customers that are
still using OS/2. And those corporate customers exist, both in the US as well
as the rest of the world.

Serenity Systems also funds part of the support costs for IBM's continued
development of drivers and IBM's continued support of the kernal and other
parts of the operating system (e.g. TCP/IP stack, etc.)

Serenity Systems has also tried to make available OS/2 products that are no
longer available - such as VisPro Rexx - but was unsuccessful because of a
difference in opinion on what the product was worth.

One of the problems OS/2 has is that now many hardware vendors do not pay to
develop and bundle OS/2 drivers for their hardware. Serenity Systems licenses
drivers for various hardware devices and negotiates the distribution of other
drivers and utilities in order to provide a package solution to new eCS
(meaning new OS/2 users) who are buying into the operating system for the
first time. And those people exist. I have met some at Warpstock and heard
first hand accounts from others of people starting to use eCS for the first
time. It isn't happening in large numbers but it is happening. To have much
of a chance to convert people to OS/2 those people have to be able to install
OS/2 (meaning eCS) on their new hardware at a reasonable cost.  So while a
new fancy installer and bundling of drivers doesn't help John or Louis or
perhaps lots of other long time OS/2 users, it is absolutely necessary to
keep OS/2 a viable alternative to someone considering switching operating
system.

[Flash and DVD player]
Innotek has completely developed a Flash 7 player - some time ago. They
cannot get legal approval from Macro Media to distribute the player.
Nevertheless if you search the web you might find one. 

I tried a few years ago to use the DVD player from the Kiev site. It worked
fine except for sound (I know - big except). I have heard from other people
who successfully got the DVD player to work on their systems at that time,
which was more than a year ago. If you try and download the DVD player again
you might find that it works for you now. But to be fair - I tried to install
a PowerDVD player on my daughters Win98 machine last year and was not able to
get it to work without calling the support line for PowerDVD. (BTW PowerDVD
has a GREAT support team.) We finally got it to work - sort of. All this is
to say that no DVD software player is perfect or faultless - even Windows
ones.

But the DVD issue just brings up an issue that has been around OS/2 since its
creation - and that is OS/2 is designed (and to an extent marketed) as a
business operating system. That is where the money is for a non-Windows
operating system.

Does OS/2 really have a Future?
--------------------------
That question has been around for at least the last 10 years. "Experts" have
been predicting the death of OS/2 for years and it is still around. So I
guess we have to define what we mean by a future. If we rephrase the question
to: "will OS/2 still exist and have new drivers and applications released in
the future?" I think the answer is absolutely. If by future we mean "will
OS/2 overtake Windows on the desktop?" or even "will OS/2 obtain a
significant percentage of the desktop market?" the answer is heck no. But
neither will Apple and the MacIntosh - so does that really matter?

"But what if IBM stops supporting OS/2 or significant portions of OS/2?"
---------------------------------------------------------
I personally believe that IBM will support OS/2 in at least a static mode (no
enhancements) for years and years into the future. There will be IBM
customers that use OS/2 for years in the future, and IBM will most probably
continue to support OS/2 as long as it has customers that continue to use
OS/2. Remember - IBM still sells and supports PC-DOS.

Even if IBM stops making new drivers or other enhancements to OS/2, there are
other alternatives: Linux and Innotek. Serenity Systems has already mentioned
the possibilty of replacing the TCP/IP stack in OS/2 with an open source
TCP/IP stack. SS would have to pay to port the stack to OS/2 but once that
was done the stack would be maintained by virtue of being open source and
used in other products like Linux. All this is to say is that there are
significant portions of the operating system that can be maintained or
enhanced without IBM - if that ever becomes necessary.

The other "ace in the hole" is Innotek and ODIN. Innotek and the ODIN toolkit
provide the ability to relatively quickly port major applications from
Windows to OS/2. Three examples are Open Office, which appeared on OS/2
before it did on the MAC, PostgreSQL v. 8 - which was recently ported from
Windows to OS/2 using ODIN by someone other than Innotek, and the Java
toolkit and runtime, which Innotek says they can port new versions from Sun
in about 2 days. Innotek also claims that their ported applications run
faster than the native OS/2 counterpart - and demostrated that by showing
Acrobat 3 running against their ported Acrobat 4 product at Warpstock in
Denver last Oct.

Finally - OS/2 is designed to be modified and enhanced by third parties, e.g.
the Workplace Shell, SOM and replacable DLLs that make up part of the OS/2.
An example is the xWorkplaceShell which is a major enhancement to the desktop
that was developed by a third party. And Serenity Systems bundles in a
special version of the xWorkplace shell in eCS (starting in version 1.1) that
was created specifically for eCS and SS.

In hope John that you change you mind and stay with OS/2. I hope the
advantages of OS/2 outweight its problems and disadvantages. Because while
OS/2 does have problems and disadvantages compared to Windows and Linux, it
also has some unique qualities: the WPS, SOM, Rexx and the fact that many
applications and almost every aspect of the operating system is Rexx enabled,
ObjectRexx and its integration into SOM and the WPS, it is smaller and faster
than Windows and you don't have to get a new authorization key from Redmond
everytime you change your hardware. Plus the DVD player (if you can get it to
work) doesn't send your playlist back to Redmond each time you play DVD. But
you know the qualities of OS2 already.

Serenity Systems doesn't do a very good job of tooting their own horn and
consequently lots of people in the OS/2 community don't know what Serenity
Systems does or what direction it is going. I hope this helps. I don't mean
to preach. 
But I do mean to pursuade.

John - I will make a deal with you. I will buy you a copy of eCS v 1.2. Try
it. If you don't like it erase it off of your hard drive and send me back the
CDs. You haven't lost anything if you are going to drop OS/2 anyway.  If you
like it but don't think it is worth the money, then it is yours for free. If
you like it and think it is worth the money, then pay me back. I will need
your mailing address to do this.

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[End] 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions

John Angelico said:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100, Gavin Miller wrote:

> Many DOS apps (like accounting packages) used to work with BTrieve (ex
> Novell), and there may be help available for him if that is the case...

Btrieve has preceeded Novell, Novell bought it at some stage from the
original developers

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:13:27 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT:  Windows Mouse actions

Gavin Miller said:
> I guess I should have clarified.  The mouse actions I was referring to
> was to select, copy and paste from a dos session in XP.

sorry, I assumed you were like me frustrated by shortcomings of mouse
copy/paste in XP, and, were looking for that.

I often, out of habit, drag/copy/ then later attempt to paste to find
nothing (on XP), at which stage I generally can't recall any longer what
was suppoed to be in the empty buffer and where did I copy it from...

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:28:18 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Serenity Systems and where is eCS going?

John Angelico said:

> faster than the native OS/2 counterpart - and demostrated that by showing
> Acrobat 3 running against their ported Acrobat 4 product at Warpstock in
> Denver last Oct.

was this like a handicapped Olympics, a cripple versus an amputee observed
by mentally challanged ?

whilst, yes, Acrobloat is techically a 'native' OS/2 application, (as is
WordSlow, Blotus 123, or even OS/2 MS Word)

and, I wholehartedly applaud Inotek's constibutions

and, just the existance of Acrobat > 3 is definitely most welcomed

these 'native' OS/2 apps are 'native' by virtue of executing in OS/2, and,
never have been an example of native OS/2 technology

so, show it for opening new PDF that it can, but, don't egg on cripples
and amputtees to a sprint race

from where I sit, unless it's multi threaded & WPS enabled it's not native
enough, it's just half cast at best, (some unkind ppl would even call it a
bastard, or, worse still, mudblood)

(just for the record, luckily for me, I have native OS/2 apps (full
bloods) for most things I need, and, I'll continue using OS/2 for a few
more years yet)

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:51:22 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +1100 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
>John Angelico said:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100, Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> Many DOS apps (like accounting packages) used to work with BTrieve (ex
>> Novell), and there may be help available for him if that is the case...
>
>Btrieve has preceeded Novell, Novell bought it at some stage from the
>original developers

Yes, OK Voytek, but most people remember it as from the Novell period.

Trivia quiz: Who can tell us the name of the originator of the Btrieve
technology? 

Just to complete the picture, it is now called Pervasive and has a
Pervasive_SQL version which is a middleware layer to convert SQL and SQL-like
statements into Btrieve calls. It is now purely in a MS-dominated Windows
version.

Some on this list have the last of the (still eminently useful and vastly
more reliable than Win) OS/2 Btrieve toolkit with which to access Btrieve
data files.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:39:13 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions

John Angelico said:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +1100 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>John Angelico said:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100, Gavin Miller wrote:

>>Btrieve has preceeded Novell, Novell bought it at some stage from the
>>original developers
>
> Yes, OK Voytek, but most people remember it as from the Novell period.

I certainly don't;
most ppl based on what survey ?

> Trivia quiz: Who can tell us the name of the originator of the Btrieve
> technology?

what's the prize ?
Softcraft

Novell bought it, then later resold back to Softcraft which then became
Btrieve Technologies

so, did I win ???

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Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:42:57 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions

Voytek Eymont said:
>
> John Angelico said:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +1100 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>John Angelico said:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100, Gavin Miller wrote:
>

>> Yes, OK Voytek, but most people remember it as from the Novell period.

not sure I can aggree on above, I'd imagine most ppl don't know, never
heard of

on, whilst on the subject of most ppl: most ppl think Bill Gates
'invented' DOS

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Voytek
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Date:  Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:57:24 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OT: Windows Mouse actions

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:39:13 +1100 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

Hi Voytek.

>
>John Angelico said:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +1100 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>John Angelico said:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:00:17 +1100, Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>>>Btrieve has preceeded Novell, Novell bought it at some stage from the
>>>original developers
>>
>> Yes, OK Voytek, but most people remember it as from the Novell period.
>
>I certainly don't;
>most ppl based on what survey ?
>
>
>> Trivia quiz: Who can tell us the name of the originator of the Btrieve
>> technology?
>
>
>what's the prize ?

The smug satisfaction of being trivially more knowledgeable than others...

>Softcraft
>
>Novell bought it, then later resold back to Softcraft which then became
>Btrieve Technologies
>
>so, did I win ???

Could be.

As the compare said on Einstein Factor:

"Remember, Einstein once said 'Now, I'm no Einstein, but...? Hey, but I
actually *am* Einstein!' "

Oh, and to answer your other comment that "most people think billg invented
DOS"
>
>I certainly don't;
>most ppl based on what survey ?

....to cut/n/paste from earlier in your email...

The same survey I did. <g>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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