Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1055
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:01:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 19 February 2005
 Number  1055
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
8   * Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting  * : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
9  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : nickl at pacific dot net dot au
10  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
13  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
14  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
15  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:02:22 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev said:
> Hey Voytek
>
> No need to get too heated.  Here's a copy/paste of Ed's first mention of
> this "problem"...

I'm not, not at all, sorry if you misunderstood it as so

i think, nobody in this conversation, (myself probably included) really
understands, or, recalls, how does RSJ work

clearly, it time to reach for the friendly manual (even if it's a pdf and
not an inf....); or, close your eyes, lean back, and, try to remember what
you forgot

> 	But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or
> 	CD-RW and you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real
> 	problem if this is the only CD/DVD in your system. There are
> 	ways around this but the standard RSJ install has this flaw.

and, he is correct in his comment

> Remember, you came in later, but clearly others (or at least Ed) see it
> as a problem.  If it were true for me I would call it a problem too.
> Whichever way you look at it, only M$ could call it a feature.

conditional, don't forget Ed's "if"

to paraphase it:

One of things the RSJ driver does is look for a CDR that thinks it's
a CDRW and disable the reader part.  it will then only be able to read
CDs using the recorder (or CDView) software.  I guess this could be
a problem if you don't have a regular CD reader on the machine, but
that's not a problem here.

>> you guys oughta read the RSJ docs, I'm sure it explains it all
>> (doesn't it ...?)
>
> If you can find what you're talking about in tfm then point it out.  I
> can't as of yet.
>
>> time to rtfm, pls
>
> There really is no need for this.

well, there is

1st of all, RSJ is an attachable CDW file system (\cdwfs)
as such, you mount a CD-RW media, and, write to it
clearly, you need to mount the target 1st before accessing it.

------
Preface
 &#350; Copyright 1994   2003 RSJ Software GmbH
 Preface
 With RSJ CD-Writer you have purchased a product that is totally different to
 other existing mastering programs   you will notice that right from the
start.
 RSJ CD Writer provides an own drive letter for your CD Recorder. With this
 drive letter you can write files on CD by using common commands (COPY,
 XCOPY,&#9472;) or the workplace shell.
 RSJ CD Writer supports DAO (disk at once) mode. This copy mode allows
 the creation of exact copies of audio CDs that do not contain gaps between
 the tracks (Live-CDs, Musical-CDs).
 You can print your own CD-Cover using the RSJ CD Cover Editor.
 Using freedb you can get information about the CD via Internet.
 You can easily create data-DVDs.
 In each chapter you will find many useful tips and examples on how to
 successfully use this software. We hope that you enjoy working with RSJ
 CD-Writer.
 This documentation offers information on the following subject fields:
 Installation The correct installation of the RSJ CD Writer File
 System for OS/2
 Introduction Step-by-step instructions to basic operations (such
 as copying files to a CD or creating an audio CD)
 File System Information about the file system tools and
 operation
 CD View Information about CD View, a tool used to copy
 tracks (both audio and data) from various sources
 CD Copy Wizard Information about CD Copy Wizard, a tool used to
 copy the whole CD
 Reference Detailed information about the commands, settings
 and programs
 Technical Details Background information about writable CDs
======

additionally, it also happens to include another applications, called, CDVIEW

the two are incompatible with each other, by design

------
CD-View
 &#350; Copyright 1994   2003 RSJ Software GmbH
 CD-View
 The PM application CD-View is used to deal with the tracks on a CD. It can
 be used to copy audio tracks to (or from) CDs in arbitrary order.
Further-more,
 CD-View can also be used to copy data CDs much like DISKCOPY is
 copying diskettes.
 CD-View should be considered a separate product and needs exclusive
 access to all devices it is dealing with. Therefore, any currently active
drive
 letter assignment must be deactivated (e.g. by calling "CDATTACH -C")
 before accessing the CD recorder with CD-View.
 Note: Working with tracks requires basic knowledge about the make-up
 of music and data CDs. To prevent mistakes or data loss, the fol-lowing
 section should be read in any case.
 Basics
 Please read this section carefully before using CD-View.
 Tracks, Table of Contents and Sessions
 Each (non-blank) CD contains between 1 and 99 tracks.
 Each track can save a single data format. Audio tracks can only save digital
 audio data, while data tracks can only store data.
 The Table of Contents (TOC) of a CD only contains information about the
 number of tracks, their starting position on the CD and the basic track type
 (audio or data). CD-View uses this information to display the track
directory,
 thus cannot display any information about the contents of the according
 track.
======

hmmm, where was I....?

oh, yes, (thanks, Douglas), how to overcome the problem that could be a
problem if it was a problem:

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** Reply to note from os2-isp at warpspeed dot com dot au  Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:51:48
+1000

> >(never tried it myself but) AFAIR, there is a boot switch to enable the
CDRW to always show with RSJ, but, then it's up to you to determine
when not to mount it

Mike,

from my May 1999  newsletter (cortesy of Douglas Gillies):

TechTips:

--------------------------------------------------------
As you all know RSJ hides the cdr drive letter from you and
makes it unaccessable right? Well not quite.  In an email
from RSJ I was made aware of how to unhide the cdr... in
order to do it you must do this:

If you are using RSJ CD Writer 2.59 or above you may change
the CONFIG.SYS line

BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD

to

BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /ALL

After booting your machine, the recorder will be usable as
standard CDROM drive, and you will be nevertheless be able
to attach the CD to our filesystem. But please ensure that
you're not using the CDROM drive letter at the same time
when the CDR is attached to RSJ's filesystem, otherwise this
will result in errors.

=======

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:34:18 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Kev wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have the latest version of RSJ.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW 
>>>> drives using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???
>>>
>
> OK, I turn on my machine.  When I get to my desktp I have all the 
> other stuff, plus in my DRIVES folder I have S: and T:.  Both are 
> configured as CD/DVD readers resp.  S: and T: are the default letters 
> assigned by eCS.  I don't bother changing them.  S: is also my default 
> CD music palyer, as it's the one Iconnect to my sound card.  During 
> the afforementioned boot these lines also ran in my CONFIG.SYS ...
>
> IFS=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\CDWFS.IFS /S
> DEVICE=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\RSJSCSI.SYS /S
> RUN=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\CDWFSD.EXE -p "G:/var/temp" -c20000 -b2048 -t2 -i3
>                                  -s0
>
> Obviously the line above is not cut in real life.  The lines below 
> also run, amongst many others unrelated to this discussion.  Also, the 
> RSJ stuff figures in several of the different path statements.
>
> DEVICE=G:\ECS\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD
> BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD
> BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT
>
> As sit here, right now, I have 2 CD/DVD readers available to use, S: 
> and T: - and just did to make sure!  And I can play music on S: too.  
> If I now go to the RSJ folder and open it there are 10 icons.  The 
> ones of interest here are "RSJ CD CopyWizard", "CD View" and "CD 
> Writer Control"
>
> Let's start with CD Writer Control.  When I open the application, 
> right there, on the opening page is a button called "Attach Now", and 
> I can also select a different drive letter from Z: if I want to.  When 
> I attach a drive that button changes to "Finalize".  In this 
> application, I don't think I have control over which drive (S: or T:) 
> becomes Z:.  It defaults to S:, becoming Z:, and T: remains T: - a 
> reader.  After finalizing, Z: disappears and S: returns, ready to read.
>
> I can simply attach S: as Z: with this app as I might from the command 
> line and use my Larsen Commander (or anything I want) to copy stuff to 
> the burner - now z:, once S:.  While (simultaneously) I'm doing that 
> with data from my hard drive, T: is ready and available for me to use 
> for any other purpose.  If it was my default music CD player I could 
> play music while the other one is burning data.  Using the Finalize 
> button in this app is the same as doing "cdattach z: -c" from the 
> command line, and once it's finalized, Z: disappears and S: is returned.
>
> Next, RSJ CD CopyWizard.  In this application, when I open it there is 
> only 1 page.  I can select which drive I wish to read from (S: or T:) 
> and then I can use the other drive as "CDR: CD Recorder"  The 
> selection of which drive I want to read fron determines which drive 
> will automatically mount (attach) as Z:.  In this app it all happens 
> "under the hood" so to speak.  It works like an old "diskcopy" type 
> program. When the copy is finished, the cd ejects and my 2 readers, S: 
> and T: are there ready for me to use.
>
> Finally, CD View.  When I launch this app I get a folder with 4 
> objects in it.  They are:- CD Recorder, Hard Disk 
> [G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\tracks], CD ROM [S:] and CD ROM [T:].  I can select 
> whichever CD ROM I wish to read from and the other will automatically 
> attach as Z: - my recorder, when I open it.  When I finish, I 
> "Finalize" the CD, it ejects and Z: is unmounted as Z: and becomes 
> whatever it was before - S: or T:.
>
> This reply has taken some time, coz I sitting actually doing it to 
> make heap big sure I'm correct.  Btw, I'm correct!!!  Of course there 
> is all the dragn drop stuff too, but this should be enough to explain 
> what my RSJ does here, and what it's always done for me.
>
> If you don't have ALL that functionality from RSJ, then you have a 
> problem with RSJ.  If 1 of drives is a READER ONLY, RSJ knows this and 
> won't allow me to attempt to burn to it.  As I said before, up until 
> about 3 months ago my othter CD was a reader only.  I have no doubt 
> CDRECORD can do all of that, but I'm too dim to get it all installed 
> and configured - I've tried.
>
> Cheers
> Kev
>
>>> No, I explained my drive lettering scheme in my last post.  The 
>>> drive I use for burning will become Z: when mounted, and the other 
>>> CD will be either S: or T:, depending on which one I'm burning to.  
>>> Now, I must admit that I've only had 2 burners for about 3 months, 
>>> but previously I had a burner and a reader, and all that worked 
>>> perfectly also.
>>>
>>> I can only guess that you have a bit of a mix of different types of 
>>> hardware, or that you're doing something wrong in the install.  Is 1 
>>> or more of your CD drives SCSI?
>>>
>>> See ya
>>> Kev
>>
>> Hi Kev,
>>
>> I have only used RSJ for about 3-4 years, since I purchased V3.5x.  I 
>> have always had identical installations, with only a single CD-RW 
>> drive, following the exact procedure - automatic, and in every case 
>> [V3.5x-3.6x] the drive is only available as a "lettered" drive 
>> following an "attach" of the device -- until installing eCS 1.2, with 
>> the included "lite" version, which *did* generate a separate "reader" 
>> drive-letter "T" in addition to the "Z" burner letter.
>>
>> However I never have any problem with not having a separate "reader" 
>> driveletter as on my WarpCenter|eComCenter, I have a one-click button 
>> to unmount/mount the CD-RW to change the media loaded. The buttons 
>> are for two program objects which respectively point to two command 
>> files which contain:
>>
>> for "unmount" -- "cdattach z: -c"
>>
>> for "mount" -- "cdattach z:"
>>
>> This overcomes the problem of having "cdattach z:" in a command file 
>> located in the Startup Folder or as an entry in Startup.cmd, and 
>> *not* having *some* media in the drive at startup!
>>
>> Having "commercial-media", e.g. a CD-ROM, in the drive works 
>> *exactly*the same as having it in a normal CD-ROM drive -- it works 
>> as a reader [probably better in fact]!  RSJ doesn't care whether the 
>> media is writable when you attach it, only when you try to *write* to 
>> it, and will never attempt to write to an attached CD-ROM, or a 
>> "sealed" CD-R/RW [except in the case of a "sealed" CD-RW, *when* 
>> requested to FORMAT it!
>>
>> So I can confirm what Ed and Voytek have said, and have to conclude 
>> that at some stage you *have* modified the statements in your 
>> config.sys, to effect the same behaviour that is exhibited by the RSJ 
>> V5.05 that comes with eCS 1.2 [trial version]! ;-)
>>
>> I have used the aspirout.sys, DANI with /RSJ switch etc., also to 
>> verify that in fact I can have the drive mounted as a burner and 
>> simultaneously as a reader under a different [fixed] driveletter, but 
>> have always reverted to standard RSJ mounting, as I like to know what 
>> I'm trying to burn to! :-)
>
Hi Kev,

All of the above functions from the icons are exactly as they appear 
here with e.g. RSJ 3.60 under Warp 4 or eCS 1.x, except that having only 
a single burner the CDVIEW includes a CDR: item, not a drive-letter item!

Under eCS 1.2 with the "lite" version of RSJ 5.05, in CDVIEW window I do 
have a "CD-ROM [T:]",
T: is in the Drives Folder, and mounting RSJ gives me the usual Z: 
burner drive. Note that *stock* eCS 1.2 installation puts 
"DEVICE=?:\ECS\BOOT\IBMCDROM.DMD" into config.sys

The "/S" switches on those two lines were *never* appended by e.g. RSJ 
3.51/3.53/3.55/3.60/3.61!

Also "DEVICE=G:\ECS\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD" was modified by you from the 
original installation - it's a workaround that *doesn't* come *with* RSJ 
or W4 or eCS 1.x!

So your setup is _not-stock-standard_!

Replace jjscdrom.dmd with os2cdrom.dmd and remove the "/D" switch from 
your LOCKCDR.FLT LINE and you'll lose the separate drive-letters!

The following is now in the RSJ Manual [just downloaded it again couple 
of minutes ago]

    Commands for CONFIG.SYS
    The following commands must be specified in the system file CON-FIG.
    SYS. Please note that the computer must be rebooted before any
    changes can take effect.

    RSJSCSI.SYS
    The device driver RSJSCSI.SYS provides simplified access to SCSI
    devices. The CD Writer File System uses this device driver to access the
    CD Recorder.
    Syntax:
    device=<path>\rsjscsi.sys [-q] [-n<driver name>] [-x]
    where <Path> is to be replaced by the installation path.
    The optional parameter has the following meaning:
    -q While booting, ask user for confirmation before installing the device
    driver.

This [following] is *NEW* since the V5.05 PDF I downloaded 2004-01-01!

    -s suppress boot messages
    Note: This driver is needed even if you use an IDE/ATAPI recorder.

    CDWFS.IFS
    The file system CDWFS.IFS only provides the background process
    CDWFSD.EXE with commands contrary to earlier versions. The complete
    configuration data are registered in "RUN=?\CDWFS.IFS in the CON-FIG.
    SYS.
    Following options for CDWFS.IFS are available:
    -q Request installation confirmation

This [following] is *NEW* since the V5.05 PDF I downloaded 2004-01-01!

    -s suppress boot messages

In the one-year-old edition there was no "-S" or "/S" switch documented 
*whatsoever* for the two config.sys items!

Also under the following:

    LOCKCDR.FLT

    Some CD recorders claim to be CDROM drives. As OS2CDROM.DMD
    allocates all CDROM drives at bootup, those recorders cannot be accessed
    by additional software, including the RSJ CD Writer File System. To
    correct
    this behavior, the filter device driver LOCKCDR.FLT is added to the file
    CONFIG.SYS; all CD-ROM drives that actually are recorders will be
    converted to WORM devices automatically.

    LOCKCDR.FLT supports the following options:
    -q suppress boot messages
    -s<drive #> ignore (skip) CD-ROM drive with the specified number; to
    determine the number of the drive in question, check
    LOCKCDR's output in the "System" tab of the CD Writer
    Control Panel
    -n turn off auto-detection of CD recorders; requires "-i"
    -i:"SCSI-ID" force all drives with an ID string starting with
    SCSI-ID to be
    identified as a recorder
    -d to not change CD Recorders to WORM devices; requires
    DANIATAPI.FLT for IDE recorders
    -v be verbous; displays more information during boot up

following is what that section said a year ago:

    LOCKCDR.FLT

    Some CD recorders claim to be CDROM drives. As OS2CDROM.DMD
    allocates all CDROM drives at bootup, those recorders cannot be accessed
    by additional software, including the RSJ CD Writer File System. To
    correct
    this behavior, the filter device driver LOCKCDR.FLT is added to the file
    CONFIG.SYS; all already known CD recorders will be converted to WORM
    devices automatically. LOCKCDR.FLT supports ATAPI, too.

    In order to add an unknown CD recorder to the built-in list, the
    parameter -i:"
    Recorder Name" can be used to specify the device name of the unknown
    CD recorder.

    Example:
    BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT -I:"IMS CDD2000"
    In this example, the Philips recorder CDR2000 is added to the
    built-in list of
    CD recorders. During bootup, the OS/2-internal device tables are
    modified
    such that the CD recorder is treated as a WORM device instead of a
    CDROM.
    The name of all connected CDROM devices as well as whether they have
    been converted to WORM devices is printed to the screen while the system
    is booting.
    Note: It is not necessary to specify the complete device name. In the
    example above, specifying -i:"IMS" would do the same job. However,
    the more complete the device names are specified, the less likely it is
    that a CDROM drive is converted to a WORM device accidentally.
    In order to avoid the change of a CD-ROM drive, the parameter -s<number
    of the drive> can be used to skip ad drive. To do so check the output of
    LOCKCDR. Check which drive do you like to use as CD-ROM. Check the
    number of the drive (the first drive is 0, the second listed drive 1,?).
    Now change CONFIG.SYS. Locate BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT and include -
    s<drive number> for each drive LOCKCDR should ignore, i.e. LOCKCDR
    should leave as CD-ROM or DVD.
    In order to inactivate the autodetect, please use the option -n.
    Please note
    that this only works, if you use a drive which is supported by our
    software or
    a drive which is added in CDDRV.INF and added with -i.
    The option -a filters all SCSI and IDE CD-ROM drives.
    The option -v activates the verbose mode.

Note no mention of the "/D" or "-D" switch!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:20:48 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

QWN  (Question Without Notice)

Does RSJ select the higher writing speed drive when it selects?
Does it select the drive with a blank CD/DVD in, assuming one has 
inserted a blank into a drive?

It would be nice if the driver could detect when a blank disk is 
inserted and automaticly start RSJ and mount the drive.

Regards
Dennis.

Kev wrote:

> HI Ed
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> I have the latest version of RSJ.
>>
>> Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW drives 
>> using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???
>
>
> No, I explained my drive lettering scheme in my last post.  The drive 
> I use for burning will become Z: when mounted, and the other CD will 
> be either S: or T:, depending on which one I'm burning to.  Now, I 
> must admit that I've only had 2 burners for about 3 months, but 
> previously I had a burner and a reader, and all that worked perfectly 
> also.
>
> I can only guess that you have a bit of a mix of different types of 
> hardware, or that you're doing something wrong in the install.  Is 1 
> or more of your CD drives SCSI?
>
> See ya
> Kev
=========================
> Kev Downes
> kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
> Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
> and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
 
>
> 

>
>
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:30:21 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> QWN  (Question Without Notice)
>
> Does RSJ select the higher writing speed drive when it selects?

[don't think so, but you'd have to have writeable media in both 
simultaneously]
CDRWSel [front-end for RSJ] might have a feature like that[?]

> Does it select the drive with a blank CD/DVD in, assuming one has 
> inserted a blank into a drive?

AFAIK

> It would be nice if the driver could detect when a blank disk is 
> inserted and automaticly start RSJ and mount the drive. 

Hi Dennis,

Good idea! Why not suggest that to RSJ! 8-)

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:02:02 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> Ed Durrant said:
> 
>>Kev wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Ed
> 
> 
>>I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this - from Voytek's comments
>>he obviously experienced the same problems.
> 
> 
> problems ? who said anything about problems ??
> 
> it;s a design feature of RSJ's CD-RW IFS approach, and, not a problem
> 
> as for problems, I seldom, if ever, experience problems with RSJ
> 
> you guys oughta read the RSJ docs, I'm sure it explains it all (doesn't it
> ...?)
> 
> 
> 
>>I used to have an e-mail
>>correspondance from RSJ themselves explaining "why" this happens and
>>"why" they couldn't easily change RSJ to fix the issue.
> 
> 
> time to rtfm, pls
> 
Actually it didn't which is why I raised a problem report on RSJ which 
they acknowledged and I translated a revised page for their manual from 
German to English. The "design feature" as you call it, is still there 
and can still cause problems if you want to run programs - such as 
CDRecord/2 that need to access the OS assigned drive letter - come to 
think of it, this is probably why Kev has never been able to get 
CDRecord/2 to work !

   Cheers/2

     Ed.
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:12:47 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

OK, Guys,

   I think we've warn out this subject !

   My original point was that Alan, as he himself says he's not too 
technical, should seek help from his local OS/2 Club meeting to assist 
with his CD/DVD installation, whether using RSJ or CDRecord/DVDDAO.

   The fact that so much has come back on ways to work with or around 
the drive letter "feature" of RSJ just underlines the fact that some 
technical knowledge in this area is required to implement successfully.

   I belive RSJ IS a good product and company that should be supported 
as they support OS/2 still. As I said in a previous note, I have helped 
this German company by translating part of their manual from German to 
English for them free-of-charge.

  I have nothing against RSJ. My preference is CDRecord/DVDDAO but we 
all have the right of choice.

   Cheers/2

     Ed.
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:40:35 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Anyone still reading

Well, maybe I did it wrong, but wrong has turned put right this time.  I 
actually did a fresh install, from eCS up on Thursday.  (Things I did 
wrong there too necessitated that - nothing to do with this topic.)  So 
the setup I actually went through and used, so that my descriptions were 
acurate to the letter, was an absolutely untouched new install.  I 
haven't even been through and sorted my CONFIG.SYS the way I like it.  I 
haven't added any of my extras like FAT32, though I did re-install 
Tonigy for the benefit of my experiment.

JJSCDROM is a selectable option at install time in eCS, as are the DANI 
drivers.  But yes, I would have added them to Warp4 - I forgot about 
that - it was a long time ago.  ALL switches and options on ALL device 
drivers are EXACTLY as installed by eCS.  I allow eCS to install RSJ, 
(v5.06) and then I upgrade it to my registered v5.52.  I disallow RSJ to 
change any of the default eCS settings for RSJ.

Now, if you go back through my last post and read it carefully.  I used 
PageMage so that I could compose my post while on another screen I 
actually performed the functions I described - as I said so that I'd be 
acurate.  (I did use a re-writeable coz the CD I made was only a test 
item).  I'm quite sorry to hear that others don't have life as simple as 
me.  Maybe God lets it all work for me coz he knows just how thick I 
really am, and he takes pity.  Even with the upgrade to ADSL I just 
threw the hardware at my machine and it all worked, exactly as I 
described there too.  (there was a list member with me that day (coz I 
wasn't confident) who can vouch for how simply it all came together.) 
Well, this is the same.  It works exactly as I described, and that 
clearly contradicts tfm.  Sorry about that gize.

Cheers
Kev

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
>> Ed Durrant said:
>>
>>> Kev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this - from Voytek's comments
>>> he obviously experienced the same problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> problems ? who said anything about problems ??
>>
>> it;s a design feature of RSJ's CD-RW IFS approach, and, not a problem
>>
>> as for problems, I seldom, if ever, experience problems with RSJ
>>
>> you guys oughta read the RSJ docs, I'm sure it explains it all 
>> (doesn't it
>> ...?)
>>
>>
>>
>>> I used to have an e-mail
>>> correspondance from RSJ themselves explaining "why" this happens and
>>> "why" they couldn't easily change RSJ to fix the issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> time to rtfm, pls
>>
> Actually it didn't which is why I raised a problem report on RSJ which 
> they acknowledged and I translated a revised page for their manual from 
> German to English. The "design feature" as you call it, is still there 
> and can still cause problems if you want to run programs - such as 
> CDRecord/2 that need to access the OS assigned drive letter - come to 
> think of it, this is probably why Kev has never been able to get 
> CDRecord/2 to work !
> 
>   Cheers/2
> 
>     Ed.
 
> 
> 

> 
> 
> 

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kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:14:34 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   * Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting  *

Apologies, not sure why this didnt go out last Tuesday,
still sitting in the cron directory.

From: "List Admin" <list at os2 dot org dot au>
To: "OS/2GenAu" <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
Date: Tue, 15 February 2005 01:00:00 +1100 (EDT)
Reply-To: "OS2GenAu" <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
Subject:  * Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting NEW VENUE *

 We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
 Melbourne January OS/2 SIG Meeting 

            ****  NEW VENUE ****

 The First MEETING for the year for 

             'Melbourne PC Users Group OS/2 SIG'

 Date:   Tuesday, 22th February 2005
 Time:  7:00PM - 9:30PM
 Place:  Melbourne PC Group
              2nd Floor, Chadstone Place
              Chadstone Shopping Centre
               [ Melway 96 E4 ]
              Victoria, Australia.

 Melboune PC Users Group premises are located at :-
 2nd floor, Chadstone Place (near Bi-Lo)
 Chadstone Shopping Centre [ Melway 96 E4 ].  

 The entrance is on the Southern side of the Centre between 
 the National Bank and My Chemist.  And another entrance 
 for after hours access to the lift from inside the shopping centre
 opposite the Bi-Lo store.

 To give members a better chance of attending, we will start
 slightly later at 7.00pm.

 The Monthly Meeting of Melbourne OS/2 SIG 
 Normally held the fourth Tuesday of each month.
 Except December.

"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills than men.  I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh." --Conan O'Brien
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:03:10 +0800
From:  nickl at pacific dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Good Morning Everyone.

Putting my oar in here. :-) 

For years I have always had a burner and a reader and always used RSJ. The
fact that the burner lost the OS2 assigned letter (T) and only had an RSJ
assigned letter (Z) on attachment didn't bother me all that much.

But there is somewhere hidden away in RSJ's help.pdf file, as well as an
article in OS2Voice about how to maintain the OS2 assigned drive letter.
Me being me, I stumbled about and did this to my CONFIG.SYS:
--------------------------------------------- snip -----------

REM BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT /RSJ
BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT /A:1 /U:0 /RSJ
--------------------------------------------- snip -----------
REM *** RSJ CD-Writer File System ***
rem BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT /Q /D
BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT
DEVICE=D:\CDWFS\RSJSCSI.SYS
IFS=D:\CDWFS\CDWFS.IFS /S
RUN=D:\CDWFS\CDWFSD.EXE -p "D:/LOTUSW4/TEMP" -c20000 -b2048 -t2 -i3 -s0
--------------------------------------------- snip ----------------------

I've left in the REM's so you can (hopefully) see where I've come from :-)

These days I only run a LiteOn CD Burner. If I bring up my Drives Folder,
I can see Drive S: and can read anything. If I attach a CD, *Drive S:
stays* and I get an extra Drive Z:. If I so choose, I can read the CD in
either S: or Z: (but am not sure if it is concurrent).

If I've put my nose in again and told you all things you already knew, I
aplologise in advance.

NICK

In <42162F93.1090506 at tpg dot com dot au>, on 02/18/2005 
   at 06:10 PM, Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au> said:

>HI Ed

>Ed Durrant wrote:
>> I have the latest version of RSJ.
>> 
>> Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW drives 
>> using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???

>No, I explained my drive lettering scheme in my last post.  The drive I 
>use for burning will become Z: when mounted, and the other CD will be 
>either S: or T:, depending on which one I'm burning to.  Now, I must 
>admit that I've only had 2 burners for about 3 months, but previously I 
>had a burner and a reader, and all that worked perfectly also.

>I can only guess that you have a bit of a mix of different types of 
>hardware, or that you're doing something wrong in the install.  Is 1 or 
>more of your CD drives SCSI?

>See ya
>Kev
=========================
>Kev Downes
>kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
>Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO! I
>use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
>"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
>He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
>nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

> 

-----------------------------------------------------------
nickl at pacific dot net dot au
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:27:43 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi all RSJ users,

Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive system.  
I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or using CD 
view with only one drive?  My reasoning is, if you have to mount a 
burner to Z: then S: (the cdrom drive) is gone, thus you can't start a 
source session of CD view.  Anyone out there who uses RSJ with only one 
CD type drive?

.... and no I haven't played with the demo version.  Can you tell?

Cheers
G

>  
>
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Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:40:38 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Hi all RSJ users,
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive 
> system.  I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or 
> using CD view with only one drive?  My reasoning is, if you have to 
> mount a burner to Z: then S: (the cdrom drive) is gone, thus you can't 
> start a source session of CD view.  Anyone out there who uses RSJ with 
> only one CD type drive?
>
> ... and no I haven't played with the demo version.  Can you tell?
>
> Cheers 

Hi Gavin,

That's my own situation -- just a single Optical drive - CD-RW/R!

Follow these steps to copy a CD using the CD Copy Wizard:
Start the CD Copy Wizard by choosing "RSJ CD Copy Wizard" in the
CD-Writer folder.
Insert the source CD.
Select the desired source-drive.
If your CD-ROM-drive is not able to read Audio-CDs or if you don't
have a CD-ROM-drive, you can use your CD-recorder as source drive
and target drive.

N.B. The CD-writer is NOT mounted as a drive letter for above operation!
You just put blank media in the drive and then select the icon for RSJ 
CD Copy Wizard!

Couldn't be simpler - just like doing a diskcopy with only one floppy drive!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:57:51 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Gavin

Gavin Miller wrote:
> Hi all RSJ users,
> 
> Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive system.  
> I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or using CD 
> view with only one drive?

You must use a 2 step process.  One of the options in CD View is a 
"Tracks" directory on your hard drive.  You copy from S: to the hard 
drive, then from the hard drive to Z:.  This (or some form of this) is 
how any system with only 1 drive makes a copy of a CD.  In the later old 
floppy disk days (in a system with only 1 FDD) most systems had enough 
RAM to be able to hold 1.44meg in memory to do this, otherwise there was 
a lot of disk swapping to complete a "Diskcopy".  The day is coming soon 
when most systems will be able to do the same for a 700meg "diskcopy" 
(CDcopy), but 700meg CDs will soon be obsolete.
		<http://www.gizmag dot com dot au/go/3661>
Tonigy can also be very versatile for these types of operations.

   My reasoning is, if you have to mount a
> burner to Z: then S: (the cdrom drive) is gone, thus you can't start a 
> source session of CD view.

Yep you're right.  That's at least 1 good reason why the way RSJ works 
for me is great.  If my only CD drive is my burner also, I can do it in 
a flash.  The way others seem to have it working would be a right royal 
pta.  Even with CDrecord, with only 1 drive, there must be an 
intermediate step to get a copy of a CD.

I hope that doesn't spark too much more controversy.  Btw, another list 
member (who can identify himself if he so wishes) has been around to my 
house and witnessed all that I wrote about.  Mine *does* work as I 
explained.

Cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:02:52 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Mike

Mike O'Connor wrote:
  > That's my own situation -- just a single Optical drive - CD-RW/R!
> 
> Follow these steps to copy a CD using the CD Copy Wizard:
> Start the CD Copy Wizard by choosing "RSJ CD Copy Wizard" in the
> CD-Writer folder.
> Insert the source CD.
> Select the desired source-drive.
> If your CD-ROM-drive is not able to read Audio-CDs or if you don't
> have a CD-ROM-drive, you can use your CD-recorder as source drive
> and target drive.
> 
> N.B. The CD-writer is NOT mounted as a drive letter for above operation!
> You just put blank media in the drive and then select the icon for RSJ 
> CD Copy Wizard!
> 
> Couldn't be simpler - just like doing a diskcopy with only one floppy 
> drive!

I never even thought of that.  How clever!  So as with the old diskcopy 
days the interim step is invisible to the user.  I've used CD View at 
times when I've had only 1 drive, but didn't even think of what you 
said.  See, I told you all I was very dim.

Cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:13:17 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:

> Hi Gavin
>
> Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> Hi all RSJ users,
>>
>> Excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like RSJ likes a dual drive 
>> system.  I really am confussed.  How do you go about copying CD's or 
>> using CD view with only one drive?
>
>
> You must use a 2 step process.  One of the options in CD View is a 
> "Tracks" directory on your hard drive.  You copy from S: to the hard 
> drive, then from the hard drive to Z:.  This (or some form of this) is 
> how any system with only 1 drive makes a copy of a CD.  In the later 
> old floppy disk days (in a system with only 1 FDD) most systems had 
> enough RAM to be able to hold 1.44meg in memory to do this, otherwise 
> there was a lot of disk swapping to complete a "Diskcopy".  The day is 
> coming soon when most systems will be able to do the same for a 700meg 
> "diskcopy" (CDcopy), but 700meg CDs will soon be obsolete.
>         <http://www.gizmag dot com dot au/go/3661>
> Tonigy can also be very versatile for these types of operations.
>
>
>   My reasoning is, if you have to mount a
>
>> burner to Z: then S: (the cdrom drive) is gone, thus you can't start 
>> a source session of CD view.
>
>
> Yep you're right.  That's at least 1 good reason why the way RSJ works 
> for me is great.  If my only CD drive is my burner also, I can do it 
> in a flash.  The way others seem to have it working would be a right 
> royal pta.  Even with CDrecord, with only 1 drive, there must be an 
> intermediate step to get a copy of a CD.
>
> I hope that doesn't spark too much more controversy.  Btw, another 
> list member (who can identify himself if he so wishes) has been around 
> to my house and witnessed all that I wrote about.  Mine *does* work as 
> I explained. 

Hi Gavin, Kev,

I made a "blue" at the end of my previous message - should have read 
insert blank media after selecting the icon for the CDCopy Wizard,  
otherwise it would also be associated with the CD-ROM drive-letter, 
simultaneously, under eCS 1.2 and current RSJ.

I always believed you Kev, just disagreed that prior to the advent of 
JJSCDROM.DMD [which you had forgotten about] that you got twin 
drive-letters at RSJ installation. :-)

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:21:32 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Thanx Mike, Kev,

I've downloaded the demo and am having a play.  Quite good.  I may 
invest in the whole shamoo.  It seems that 1:1 copy works, which is 
something I could never get ADC and CDrecord to do.  I did have to put 
some switches in config ala Mikes's post a wee bit past.  RSJ did 
disable my "S:" drive.  Even though I could see it, I could not access it.

Cheers
G

Kev wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>  > That's my own situation -- just a single Optical drive - CD-RW/R!
>
>>
>> Follow these steps to copy a CD using the CD Copy Wizard:
>> Start the CD Copy Wizard by choosing "RSJ CD Copy Wizard" in the
>> CD-Writer folder.
>> Insert the source CD.
>> Select the desired source-drive.
>> If your CD-ROM-drive is not able to read Audio-CDs or if you don't
>> have a CD-ROM-drive, you can use your CD-recorder as source drive
>> and target drive.
>>
>> N.B. The CD-writer is NOT mounted as a drive letter for above operation!
>> You just put blank media in the drive and then select the icon for 
>> RSJ CD Copy Wizard!
>>
>> Couldn't be simpler - just like doing a diskcopy with only one floppy 
>> drive!
>
>
> I never even thought of that.  How clever!  So as with the old 
> diskcopy days the interim step is invisible to the user.  I've used CD 
> View at times when I've had only 1 drive, but didn't even think of 
> what you said.  See, I told you all I was very dim.
>
> Cheers
> Kev
=========================
> Kev Downes
> kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
> Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
> and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
 
>
> 

>
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