Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1054
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:01:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

**************************************************
Friday 18 February 2005
 Number  1054
**************************************************

Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
2  Re:  Warp 4 Installation : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Audio mixer : Bruce Rossi" <brossi at melbpc dot org dot au>
4  Re:  Audio mixer : madodel at ptdprolog dot net
5  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
10  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
11  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
12  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
14  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
15  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
16  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
17  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
18  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
19  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
20  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
21  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:49:35 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Alan

I wish I could find the comic that came with my Pioneer DVD r/rw etc, 
coz I can't remember the exact model.  It's about 3-4 months old.  As 
the others have said, pretty much any of the IDE ones will work 
now-a-days.  My Pioneer model does +R -R +RW -RW, and I think that's 
getting pretty much par for course now as well.  If you use RSJ, it's 
install routine will do all the CONFIG.SYS changes perfectly well, and 
it will use the full capabilities of your drive.  If reading is all you 
want to do then simply install the drive and re-boot.  If you're not 
using the DANI drivers I'd reccomend that you do for fault free full 
performance from all your IDE devices.

Alan Duval wrote:

> I'm mostly interested in reading CD's and DVD's  as there are a number 
> of  DVD's that i'd like to access. I have RSJ so if I want to burn DVD's 
> or CD's  I'll take your advice and take my computer to the OS/2 group 
> here in Melbourne. The other alternative would be to install WIN 98 
> instead of WIN 95 and use the burner from there. I believe one can do this.

Yes one can do this, but XP is definitely better than either of those 
predecessors, and it can be done just as easilly.  I went and bought the 
latest RSJ (coz I was just to thick to cdrecord in and running) and it 
works flawlessly.  In fact, if I'm in another platform (Wintendo or 
Linux) I boot into eCS for all my CD/DVD burning now.

Have fun
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:53:16 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Warp 4 Installation

Hi Mike

Mike O'Connor wrote:

>> REM out the corresponding lines (to deleted files) in the config.sys 
>> and add line
>> SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1

MUST do this for tiy to work.

>> Rename DANIS506.ADD to IBM1S506.ADD and copy to diskette 1.

> 
> "Rename DANIS506.ADD to IBM1S506.ADD and copy to diskette 1."
> 
> is incorrect -- ISTR Dani's statement is to *edit* the config.sys 
> statement to read:
> BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD << vice BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD >>,
> and replace the IBM1S506.ADD file with DANIS506.ADD on the diskette.

Either of the above will work, but my preference is the latter, so I'm 
aware of exactly which driver I'm using.

Cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:40:06 +1100
From:  "Bruce Rossi" <brossi at melbpc dot org dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Audio mixer

Hi Kev,

I've recently installed one of these cards.
See "I finally have sound" to this list on Thu, 10 Feb 2005.

UNIAUD:
The new uniaud install packages don't have instructions, so I trawled previous releases 
for clues, and guessed.

It seems that uniaud.dll from the current release, and libc06b2.dll from a previous release 
need to be in the LIBPATH. I have these in a common dll folder in the LIBPATH.

My CONFIG.SYS has these lines:

DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\UNIAUD32.SYS /V
DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\UNIAUD16.SYS /V /M /L /C

I added the /M and /L options to UNIAUD16.SYS, which finally produced sound output.

Check that these .SYS files are actually there.

MIXERS:
The umixpm2.zip package on Hobbes works well. Also I tried an old installation of Libmix 
which also works without any setup ie. nothing in CONFIG.SYS or STARTUP.CMD.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:28:16 +0800, Kev wrote:
>Hi gize
>
>I have a default install of eCS 1.2.  I have a PCI sound card, an AV512 
>CMedia 8738 6ch LX.  Is there a mixer out there which I can use?  I 
>thought the sound driver was the UniAud (ALSA port - Linux is mentioned 
>during boot-up) but UniMix fails to run because it says UniAud is not 
>installed.  Heeeeelllllp please.
>
>Thanx
>Kev
>-- 
=========================
>Kev Downes
>kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
>Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
>I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
>"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
>He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
>and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

> 

Cheers,

Bruce Rossi
Data To Documents
brucerSAFE at URLmelbpc dot org dot au (please remove capitals to reply)

There are 41 Processes with 158 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 56m 47s 349ms.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:27:08 -0500
From:  madodel at ptdprolog dot net
Subject:  Re:  Audio mixer

In <20050217224008.2299B754B at vscan41.melbpc dot org dot au>, on 02/18/05 at 09:40
AM,
   "Bruce Rossi" <brossi at melbpc dot org dot au> said:

>DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\UNIAUD16.SYS /V /M /L /C

>I added the /M and /L options to UNIAUD16.SYS, which finally produced
>sound output.

Bruce,

Any idea what the  /M /L switches do?  Where did you find these
documented?

Mark

-- 

 From the eComStation Desktop of: Mark Dodel

 Warpstock 2004, Denver, Colorado, October 21 - 24, 2004  http://www.warpstock dot org
 Warpstock Europe 2004, Arnhem, The Netherlands, November 26-28th, 2004 http://www.warpstock dot net

For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE - http://www.os2voice dot org

  "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself.   That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation, 1938 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:45:57 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Alan Duval wrote:
> 
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am using a Pioneer DVR-105 here and as you say, it works well with
>> both CDRecord/2, DVDDAO and RSJ. Most if not all current DVD and CD
>> burners adhere to an interface standard, so you don't need to look for a
>> specific driver, "Generic MMC" works with every burner I've come across
>> in the last 3-4 years.
>>
>> I'm not sure where you're located Alan, but I'll forwarn you, setting up
>> CD / DVD burning can be a bit tricky if you haven't done it before. It
>> involves adding extra drivers into config.sys and changing settings on
>> existing drivers sometimes. If you are near an OS/2 club, it may be
>> worth taking your system down to a meeting and getting help setting it 
>> up.
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
>>
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I'm mostly interested in reading CD's and DVD's  as there are a number 
> of  DVD's that i'd like to access. I have RSJ so if I want to burn DVD's 
> or CD's  I'll take your advice and take my computer to the OS/2 group 
> here in Melbourne. The other alternative would be to install WIN 98 
> instead of WIN 95 and use the burner from there. I believe one can do this.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Alan
> 
Well If you only want to read (DATA) DVD's you won't need to install any 
other software. However now-a-days it's probably difficult to buy "just" 
a DVD reader, you'll end up with a burner for the same price anyway ! By 
the way a buner works as a reader without any extra software as well.

Cheers/2

Ed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:50:16 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:
> Hi Alan
> 
> I wish I could find the comic that came with my Pioneer DVD r/rw etc, 
> coz I can't remember the exact model.  It's about 3-4 months old.  As 
> the others have said, pretty much any of the IDE ones will work 
> now-a-days.  My Pioneer model does +R -R +RW -RW, and I think that's 
> getting pretty much par for course now as well.  If you use RSJ, it's 
> install routine will do all the CONFIG.SYS changes perfectly well, and 
> it will use the full capabilities of your drive.  If reading is all you 
> want to do then simply install the drive and re-boot.  If you're not 
> using the DANI drivers I'd reccomend that you do for fault free full 
> performance from all your IDE devices.
> 
> Alan Duval wrote:
> 
>> I'm mostly interested in reading CD's and DVD's  as there are a number 
>> of  DVD's that i'd like to access. I have RSJ so if I want to burn 
>> DVD's or CD's  I'll take your advice and take my computer to the OS/2 
>> group here in Melbourne. The other alternative would be to install WIN 
>> 98 instead of WIN 95 and use the burner from there. I believe one can 
>> do this.
> 
> 
> Yes one can do this, but XP is definitely better than either of those 
> predecessors, and it can be done just as easilly.  I went and bought the 
> latest RSJ (coz I was just to thick to cdrecord in and running) and it 
> works flawlessly.  In fact, if I'm in another platform (Wintendo or 
> Linux) I boot into eCS for all my CD/DVD burning now.
> 
> Have fun
> Kev
>
But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or CD-RW and 
you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real problem if this is the 
only CD/DVD in your system. There are ways around this but the standard 
RSJ install has this flaw.

Cheers/2

Ed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:30:57 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Ed

> But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or CD-RW and 
> you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real problem if this is the 
> only CD/DVD in your system. There are ways around this but the standard 
> RSJ install has this flaw.

This is not correct at all!!  When you use RSJ you mount the burner (Z: 
by default) and when you finish burning, you unmount it, leaving your CD 
or DVD at its default S: for every-day reading.  Various of the RSJ 
applications mount/unmount the burner different ways.  Eg, CDVIEW 
automatically mounts the burner when you execute it, and it 
automatically unmounts it when you close the application.  Of course you 
cans use a GUI tool or the command line to manually mount/unmount the 
burner.  What you've said above is totally wrong.

Cheers
Kev

=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:47:36 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:
> Hi Ed
> 
>> But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or CD-RW 
>> and you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real problem if this 
>> is the only CD/DVD in your system. There are ways around this but the 
>> standard RSJ install has this flaw.
> 
> 
> This is not correct at all!!  When you use RSJ you mount the burner (Z: 
> by default) and when you finish burning, you unmount it, leaving your CD 
> or DVD at its default S: for every-day reading.  Various of the RSJ 
> applications mount/unmount the burner different ways.  Eg, CDVIEW 
> automatically mounts the burner when you execute it, and it 
> automatically unmounts it when you close the application.  Of course you 
> cans use a GUI tool or the command line to manually mount/unmount the 
> burner.  What you've said above is totally wrong.
> 
> Cheers
> Kev
> 
>
Sorry Kev, you must have changed something or RSJ have changed something 
in later versions - I bought RSJ and had to go back to them to find why 
I lost access to my drive from anything other than RSJ and it was due to 
a driver that was put into config.sys - nothing to do with the 
attach/detach logic. It is possible to remove this but only if you then 
modify a configuration file within RSJ.

This is the main reason, that despite the fact that I bought the full 
product, I hardly ever use it. CDRecord and DVDDAO are a better solution 
for me.

As the saying goes - your milage may vary.  Did you buy and install the 
full version or the demo version from eCS and update it - that may be 
significant.  Also later versions of Dani's drivers have an /RSJ switch 
which may fix the problem - I know the problem occurs under a standard 
install of OS/2 Warp 4.

Cheers/2

Ed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:03:36 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Ed

Ed Durrant wrote:
> Sorry Kev, you must have changed something or RSJ have changed something 
> in later versions - I bought RSJ and had to go back to them to find why 
> I lost access to my drive from anything other than RSJ and it was due to 
> a driver that was put into config.sys - nothing to do with the 
> attach/detach logic. It is possible to remove this but only if you then 
> modify a configuration file within RSJ.

I first registered RSJ at v3.08 - before eCS was.  I can't comment on 
anything earlier, but I'm ABSOLUTELY right about all OS/2 - eCS versions 
since 3.08  I have registered v5.52 now, and it's flawless, for CDs, 
DVDs and dual layer DVDs, which my burner will do.

> This is the main reason, that despite the fact that I bought the full 
> product, I hardly ever use it. CDRecord and DVDDAO are a better solution 
> for me.

CDRECORD etc is just palin too difficult for a pleb like me to install, 
let alone run.  I've never seen it installed successfully actually, 
including my own attempts to install it.
> 
> As the saying goes - your milage may vary.  Did you buy and install the 
> full version or the demo version from eCS and update it - that may be 
> significant.

See above

> Also later versions of Dani's drivers have an /RSJ switch 
> which may fix the problem

I've never heard of the /RSJ switch before right now, and certainly 
haven't used it.  I have, however, used Dani's drivers since early days 
(again pre eCS) and wouldn't consider using the IBM equivalents.  I used 
Dani's drivers in a Warp Server Advanced v4 install, which, as you know 
is actually based on Warp3, so that's a long way back.

> I know the problem occurs under a standard install of OS/2 Warp 4.

Never heard of it till your message, minutes ago.

Cheers
Kev
-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:13:49 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev said:
> Hi Ed

Ed is correct, default install of OS/2 'stops it' from being useable as a
'just a cd' *unless* mounted,

you can alter that behaviour with a switch on the rsj driver line;

if you do so, the burner is visiable as a drive in drives folder, BUT,
it's YOUR reponsibilty to know what's happening;

with the default behavious, RSJ prevents the user from making mistakes

-- 
Voytek
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:15:53 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Voytek Eymont said:
>
> Kev said:
>> Hi Ed
>
> Ed is correct, default install of OS/2 'stops it' from being useable as a

OOOPS, me meant:

'default install of RSJ'

ofcourse

-- 
Voytek
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:24:39 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:
> Hi Ed
> 

> 
>> I know the problem occurs under a standard install of OS/2 Warp 4.
> 
> 
> Never heard of it till your message, minutes ago.
> 
> Cheers
> Kev

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this - from Voytek's comments 
he obviously experienced the same problems. I used to have an e-mail 
correspondance from RSJ themselves explaining "why" this happens and 
"why" they couldn't easily change RSJ to fix the issue. It may be that, 
since you have always used Dani's drivers, they have helped. I have had 
systems where Dani's drivers didn't work, so I had to use the standard 
IBM ones.

Cheers/2

Ed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:40:30 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Voytek and Ed

Well obviously you've both had a problem, but I'd never heard of it till 
now.  I just took a few minutes to go and have a play with my setup, and 
it works as it always has - perfectly.  My system is even more 
complicated, as I have a CD R/RW as S: and a DVD R/RW as T:.  RSJ finds 
them both, identifies them both correctly and allows me to use either as 
my burner/reader.  I've never attempted to burn 2 at once.  At ALL other 
times I have readers S: and T:.  Well not quite true, as I also have 
Tonigy which can vicariously mount S: as V: or T: as W: or both at once. 
  I think you both really ought to have a look at a slightly more modern 
version of RSJ, as your problems were solved by v3.08

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> Kev said:
> 
>>Hi Ed
> 
> 
> Ed is correct, default install of OS/2 'stops it' from being useable as a
> 'just a cd' *unless* mounted,
> 
> you can alter that behaviour with a switch on the rsj driver line;
> 
> if you do so, the burner is visiable as a drive in drives folder, BUT,
> it's YOUR reponsibilty to know what's happening;
> 
> with the default behavious, RSJ prevents the user from making mistakes
> 
> 

-- 
Cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:50:44 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:
I have the latest version of RSJ.

Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW drives 
using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???

Cheers/2

Ed.

> Hi Voytek and Ed
> 
> Well obviously you've both had a problem, but I'd never heard of it till 
> now.  I just took a few minutes to go and have a play with my setup, and 
> it works as it always has - perfectly.  My system is even more 
> complicated, as I have a CD R/RW as S: and a DVD R/RW as T:.  RSJ finds 
> them both, identifies them both correctly and allows me to use either as 
> my burner/reader.  I've never attempted to burn 2 at once.  At ALL other 
> times I have readers S: and T:.  Well not quite true, as I also have 
> Tonigy which can vicariously mount S: as V: or T: as W: or both at once. 
>  I think you both really ought to have a look at a slightly more modern 
> version of RSJ, as your problems were solved by v3.08
> 
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
>> Kev said:
>>
>>> Hi Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed is correct, default install of OS/2 'stops it' from being useable as a
>> 'just a cd' *unless* mounted,
>>
>> you can alter that behaviour with a switch on the rsj driver line;
>>
>> if you do so, the burner is visiable as a drive in drives folder, BUT,
>> it's YOUR reponsibilty to know what's happening;
>>
>> with the default behavious, RSJ prevents the user from making mistakes
>>
>>
> 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:10:27 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

HI Ed

Ed Durrant wrote:
> I have the latest version of RSJ.
> 
> Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW drives 
> using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???

No, I explained my drive lettering scheme in my last post.  The drive I 
use for burning will become Z: when mounted, and the other CD will be 
either S: or T:, depending on which one I'm burning to.  Now, I must 
admit that I've only had 2 burners for about 3 months, but previously I 
had a burner and a reader, and all that worked perfectly also.

I can only guess that you have a bit of a mix of different types of 
hardware, or that you're doing something wrong in the install.  Is 1 or 
more of your CD drives SCSI?

See ya
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:30:28 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Ed Durrant said:
> Kev wrote:
>> Hi Ed

> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this - from Voytek's comments
> he obviously experienced the same problems.

problems ? who said anything about problems ??

it;s a design feature of RSJ's CD-RW IFS approach, and, not a problem

as for problems, I seldom, if ever, experience problems with RSJ

you guys oughta read the RSJ docs, I'm sure it explains it all (doesn't it
....?)

>I used to have an e-mail
> correspondance from RSJ themselves explaining "why" this happens and
> "why" they couldn't easily change RSJ to fix the issue.

time to rtfm, pls

-- 
Voytek
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
**= Email   17 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:01:10 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> I have the latest version of RSJ.
>>
>> Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW drives 
>> using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???
>
> No, I explained my drive lettering scheme in my last post.  The drive 
> I use for burning will become Z: when mounted, and the other CD will 
> be either S: or T:, depending on which one I'm burning to.  Now, I 
> must admit that I've only had 2 burners for about 3 months, but 
> previously I had a burner and a reader, and all that worked perfectly 
> also.
>
> I can only guess that you have a bit of a mix of different types of 
> hardware, or that you're doing something wrong in the install.  Is 1 
> or more of your CD drives SCSI?
>
> See ya
> Kev

Hi Kev,

I have only used RSJ for about 3-4 years, since I purchased V3.5x.  I 
have always had identical installations, with only a single CD-RW drive, 
following the exact procedure - automatic, and in every case 
[V3.5x-3.6x] the drive is only available as a "lettered" drive following 
an "attach" of the device -- until installing eCS 1.2, with the included 
"lite" version, which *did* generate a separate "reader" drive-letter 
"T" in addition to the "Z" burner letter.

However I never have any problem with not having a separate "reader" 
driveletter as on my WarpCenter|eComCenter, I have a one-click button to 
unmount/mount the CD-RW to change the media loaded. The buttons are for 
two program objects which respectively point to two command files which 
contain:

for "unmount" -- "cdattach z: -c"

for "mount" -- "cdattach z:"

This overcomes the problem of having "cdattach z:" in a command file 
located in the Startup Folder or as an entry in Startup.cmd, and *not* 
having *some* media in the drive at startup!

Having "commercial-media", e.g. a CD-ROM, in the drive works 
*exactly*the same as having it in a normal CD-ROM drive -- it works as a 
reader [probably better in fact]!  RSJ doesn't care whether the media is 
writable when you attach it, only when you try to *write* to it, and 
will never attempt to write to an attached CD-ROM, or a "sealed" CD-R/RW 
[except in the case of a "sealed" CD-RW, *when* requested to FORMAT it!

So I can confirm what Ed and Voytek have said, and have to conclude that 
at some stage you *have* modified the statements in your config.sys, to 
effect the same behaviour that is exhibited by the RSJ V5.05 that comes 
with eCS 1.2 [trial version]! ;-)

I have used the aspirout.sys, DANI with /RSJ switch etc., also to verify 
that in fact I can have the drive mounted as a burner and simultaneously 
as a reader under a different [fixed] driveletter, but have always 
reverted to standard RSJ mounting, as I like to know what I'm trying to 
burn to! :-)

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
--------------------
[ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments]
[Please use zipped versions of above]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   18 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:05:41 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hey Voytek

No need to get too heated.  Here's a copy/paste of Ed's first mention of
this "problem"...

	But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or
	CD-RW and you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real
	problem if this is the only CD/DVD in your system. There are
	ways around this but the standard RSJ install has this flaw.

Remember, you came in later, but clearly others (or at least Ed) see it 
as a problem.  If it were true for me I would call it a problem too. 
Whichever way you look at it, only M$ could call it a feature.

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> Ed Durrant said:
> 
>> Kev wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ed
> 
> 
>> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this - from Voytek's
>> comments he obviously experienced the same problems.
> 
> 
> problems ? who said anything about problems ??
> 
> it;s a design feature of RSJ's CD-RW IFS approach, and, not a problem

Absolutely NOT true.  If yours does that you have a *problem* with RSJ.
> 
> 
> as for problems, I seldom, if ever, experience problems with RSJ

Well, I don't, but if I had what you have I'd consider it a problem.
> 
> you guys oughta read the RSJ docs, I'm sure it explains it all
> (doesn't it ...?)

If you can find what you're talking about in tfm then point it out.  I 
can't as of yet.

> time to rtfm, pls

There really is no need for this.

This DOES come with kind regards, so let's not get too hot over this.

Kev

=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   19 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:27:48 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Kev wrote:

> Hey Voytek
>
> No need to get too heated.  Here's a copy/paste of Ed's first mention of
> this "problem"...
>
>     But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or
>     CD-RW and you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real
>     problem if this is the only CD/DVD in your system. There are
>     ways around this but the standard RSJ install has this flaw.
>
> Remember, you came in later, but clearly others (or at least Ed) see 
> it as a problem.  If it were true for me I would call it a problem 
> too. Whichever way you look at it, only M$ could call it a feature.

Hi Kev,

Personally [see previous posting], I don't see it as a "flaw" at all, 
but thinking back, I was already using the DANI drivers at the very 
first RSJ installation, *and* as my CD-RW drive wasn't in the CDDRV.INF 
list, I had an automatic config.sys entry for lockcdr.flt inserted by 
the installation.  This is the entry that converts writable drives to 
WORM type and removes the *stock* CD-ROM drive letter.  Maybe your 
burner was always in the list of drives recognised and hence there was 
no need for the lockcdr.flt entry?

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
--------------------
[ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments]
[Please use zipped versions of above]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   20 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:59:59 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Mike

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Kev wrote:
> 
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> I have the latest version of RSJ.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are only able to access (read) from the CD/DVD-RW drives 
>>> using RSJs letters - ie not their OS assigned ones ???

OK, I turn on my machine.  When I get to my desktp I have all the other 
stuff, plus in my DRIVES folder I have S: and T:.  Both are configured 
as CD/DVD readers resp.  S: and T: are the default letters assigned by 
eCS.  I don't bother changing them.  S: is also my default CD music 
palyer, as it's the one Iconnect to my sound card.  During the 
afforementioned boot these lines also ran in my CONFIG.SYS ...

IFS=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\CDWFS.IFS /S
DEVICE=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\RSJSCSI.SYS /S
RUN=G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\CDWFSD.EXE -p "G:/var/temp" -c20000 -b2048 -t2 -i3
                                  -s0

Obviously the line above is not cut in real life.  The lines below also 
run, amongst many others unrelated to this discussion.  Also, the RSJ 
stuff figures in several of the different path statements.

DEVICE=G:\ECS\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD
BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD
BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT

As sit here, right now, I have 2 CD/DVD readers available to use, S: and 
T: - and just did to make sure!  And I can play music on S: too.  If I 
now go to the RSJ folder and open it there are 10 icons.  The ones of 
interest here are "RSJ CD CopyWizard", "CD View" and "CD Writer Control"

Let's start with CD Writer Control.  When I open the application, right 
there, on the opening page is a button called "Attach Now", and I can 
also select a different drive letter from Z: if I want to.  When I 
attach a drive that button changes to "Finalize".  In this application, 
I don't think I have control over which drive (S: or T:) becomes Z:.  It 
defaults to S:, becoming Z:, and T: remains T: - a reader.  After 
finalizing, Z: disappears and S: returns, ready to read.

I can simply attach S: as Z: with this app as I might from the command 
line and use my Larsen Commander (or anything I want) to copy stuff to 
the burner - now z:, once S:.  While (simultaneously) I'm doing that 
with data from my hard drive, T: is ready and available for me to use 
for any other purpose.  If it was my default music CD player I could 
play music while the other one is burning data.  Using the Finalize 
button in this app is the same as doing "cdattach z: -c" from the 
command line, and once it's finalized, Z: disappears and S: is returned.

Next, RSJ CD CopyWizard.  In this application, when I open it there is 
only 1 page.  I can select which drive I wish to read from (S: or T:) 
and then I can use the other drive as "CDR: CD Recorder"  The selection 
of which drive I want to read fron determines which drive will 
automatically mount (attach) as Z:.  In this app it all happens "under 
the hood" so to speak.  It works like an old "diskcopy" type program. 
When the copy is finished, the cd ejects and my 2 readers, S: and T: are 
there ready for me to use.

Finally, CD View.  When I launch this app I get a folder with 4 objects 
in it.  They are:- CD Recorder, Hard Disk [G:\PROGRAMS\RSJCD\tracks], CD 
ROM [S:] and CD ROM [T:].  I can select whichever CD ROM I wish to read 
from and the other will automatically attach as Z: - my recorder, when I 
open it.  When I finish, I "Finalize" the CD, it ejects and Z: is 
unmounted as Z: and becomes whatever it was before - S: or T:.

This reply has taken some time, coz I sitting actually doing it to make 
heap big sure I'm correct.  Btw, I'm correct!!!  Of course there is all 
the dragn drop stuff too, but this should be enough to explain what my 
RSJ does here, and what it's always done for me.

If you don't have ALL that functionality from RSJ, then you have a 
problem with RSJ.  If 1 of drives is a READER ONLY, RSJ knows this and 
won't allow me to attempt to burn to it.  As I said before, up until 
about 3 months ago my othter CD was a reader only.  I have no doubt 
CDRECORD can do all of that, but I'm too dim to get it all installed and 
configured - I've tried.

Cheers
Kev

>> No, I explained my drive lettering scheme in my last post.  The drive 
>> I use for burning will become Z: when mounted, and the other CD will 
>> be either S: or T:, depending on which one I'm burning to.  Now, I 
>> must admit that I've only had 2 burners for about 3 months, but 
>> previously I had a burner and a reader, and all that worked perfectly 
>> also.
>>
>> I can only guess that you have a bit of a mix of different types of 
>> hardware, or that you're doing something wrong in the install.  Is 1 
>> or more of your CD drives SCSI?
>>
>> See ya
>> Kev
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Kev,
> 
> I have only used RSJ for about 3-4 years, since I purchased V3.5x.  I 
> have always had identical installations, with only a single CD-RW drive, 
> following the exact procedure - automatic, and in every case 
> [V3.5x-3.6x] the drive is only available as a "lettered" drive following 
> an "attach" of the device -- until installing eCS 1.2, with the included 
> "lite" version, which *did* generate a separate "reader" drive-letter 
> "T" in addition to the "Z" burner letter.
> 
> However I never have any problem with not having a separate "reader" 
> driveletter as on my WarpCenter|eComCenter, I have a one-click button to 
> unmount/mount the CD-RW to change the media loaded. The buttons are for 
> two program objects which respectively point to two command files which 
> contain:
> 
> for "unmount" -- "cdattach z: -c"
> 
> for "mount" -- "cdattach z:"
> 
> This overcomes the problem of having "cdattach z:" in a command file 
> located in the Startup Folder or as an entry in Startup.cmd, and *not* 
> having *some* media in the drive at startup!
> 
> Having "commercial-media", e.g. a CD-ROM, in the drive works 
> *exactly*the same as having it in a normal CD-ROM drive -- it works as a 
> reader [probably better in fact]!  RSJ doesn't care whether the media is 
> writable when you attach it, only when you try to *write* to it, and 
> will never attempt to write to an attached CD-ROM, or a "sealed" CD-R/RW 
> [except in the case of a "sealed" CD-RW, *when* requested to FORMAT it!
> 
> So I can confirm what Ed and Voytek have said, and have to conclude that 
> at some stage you *have* modified the statements in your config.sys, to 
> effect the same behaviour that is exhibited by the RSJ V5.05 that comes 
> with eCS 1.2 [trial version]! ;-)
> 
> I have used the aspirout.sys, DANI with /RSJ switch etc., also to verify 
> that in fact I can have the drive mounted as a burner and simultaneously 
> as a reader under a different [fixed] driveletter, but have always 
> reverted to standard RSJ mounting, as I like to know what I'm trying to 
> burn to! :-)
> 

-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   21 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:09:15 +0000
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dvd  /Cd   R/RW

Hi Mike

This line also is in my CONFIG.SYS ...

	BASEDEV=LOCKCDR.FLT /Q /D

Yes, RSJ finds the drives and identifies them, but it doen't change even 
1 iota of their functionality at this stage.  The functionality changes 
when I actually USE RSJ to burn something.  It then mounts 1 of the 
drives as a burner, so that drive letter (S: or T:) is lost for the time 
being, and repalced with Z:  After the burner is UNmounted, Z: 
disappears and the original drive letter is returned, ready to use as a 
reader.

I want both of my CD drives to there to use as readers when I want them, 
or as burners when I want them - and that's precisely what I have.  As 
stated before, I haven't tried burning 2 at once, and probably won't.

Cheers
Kev

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Kev wrote:
> 
>> Hey Voytek
>>
>> No need to get too heated.  Here's a copy/paste of Ed's first mention of
>> this "problem"...
>>
>>     But be careful, a Standard RSJ install "grabs" the DVD+-RW or
>>     CD-RW and you can't see / use it for reading discs ! A real
>>     problem if this is the only CD/DVD in your system. There are
>>     ways around this but the standard RSJ install has this flaw.
>>
>> Remember, you came in later, but clearly others (or at least Ed) see 
>> it as a problem.  If it were true for me I would call it a problem 
>> too. Whichever way you look at it, only M$ could call it a feature.
> 
> 
> Hi Kev,
> 
> Personally [see previous posting], I don't see it as a "flaw" at all, 
> but thinking back, I was already using the DANI drivers at the very 
> first RSJ installation, *and* as my CD-RW drive wasn't in the CDDRV.INF 
> list, I had an automatic config.sys entry for lockcdr.flt inserted by 
> the installation.  This is the entry that converts writable drives to 
> WORM type and removes the *stock* CD-ROM drive letter.  Maybe your 
> burner was always in the list of drives recognised and hence there was 
> no need for the lockcdr.flt entry?
> 

-- 
=========================
Kev Downes
kdownes at tpg dot com dot au  ph 0404 7 0808 2
Windows isn't the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
I use, recommend and support OS/2 Warp and eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
He who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
and nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------