Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1044
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:01:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 08 February 2005
 Number  1044
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  ADSL setup : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
2  Re:  ADSL setup : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
3  Re:  ADSL setup : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
4  Re:  ADSL setup : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
5  Re:  ADSL setup : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
6  Re:  ADSL setup : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  $20 USB 2.0 Via card : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  ADSL setup : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Interesting note from [VOICENWS] list : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
10  Re:  ADSL setup : Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
11  Re:  ADSL setup : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
12  Re:  ADSL setup : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
13  Re:  Satellite 2-way setup : Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
14  Re:  ADSL setup : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
15   adsl setup, what to do after : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
16  Re:  ADSL setup : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:59:46 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Ed Durrant schreef:

> alternatively change to a contract where you supply your own modem and 
> then go and buy a second hand ethernet connectable one off eBAY.
>
Why not just spend a few pennies more for a router-adsl device? Believe 
me, all other solutions are counter productive.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:01:43 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>  
>
>>Bruce schreef:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Moreover, to simplify things, I would strongly recommend to acquire a
>>router-adsl combination. These devices don't cost that much more nowadays.
>>    
>>
>
>yes, of course
>the Dlink 302 Ethernet/USB is a router
>  
>
To repeat the obvious, the 302 Ethernet router-adsl device should it be 
then.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:16:42 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Alan Duval schreef:

> Ed says to get an Etherrnet connectable modem and Kris a 
>combined router-adsl modem.  Which would be better?
>
A combined router-adsl device of course, as it is operating system 
independent and on top of that you don't need InJoy nor ISDNPM nor 
anything else, in Linux and Windy as well.

>  I don't know anything about either. What ports are 
>these connected to?
>  
>
>
>  
>
- You do need of course a NIC in the PC and a cable from NIC to 
router-adsl device.
- from PC to router-adsl you can make the connection in the easiest way: 
DHCP (automatically using DHCP)

- With mozilla or any browser in the router part then you can set 
password and userid to the telecom company (thus that's not the 
provider); from that on the router does all the hard work for you, and 
keeps repeating doing so for ever.
And on top of that, as any of these devices have  at least four  lan 
ports, you can connect in an easy way several computers to each other, 
for backup purposes for instance.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:22:39 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

David Forrester schreef:

>I use a modem with InJoy on a PC here.  But, that is because when I
>bought the modem, the routers weren't available at reasonable prices. 
>  
>
Exactly my experience too. The ADSL adapter (aka modem) I purchased 4 
years ago came at 11-times (yes, eleven times) the price as my new SMC 
router-adsl (140 euro). And I even didn't go for the cheapest one.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:26:49 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Kris Steenhaut said:

> And on top of that, as any of these devices have  at least four  lan
> ports, you can connect in an easy way several computers to each other,
> for backup purposes for instance.

not always.... the Dlink 302 (that ISPs provide) only has 2: 1xethernet,
1xUSB
if you want/need/desire more plug in a hub/switch

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:58:25 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Alan Duval wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:35:34 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> 
>>If the device is only an adsl adapter aka "modem", you do need ISDNPM or Injoy to make any connection. 
> 
> ADSL is a kind of "dial-up" technology, so you do need a program to dial-up (thus ISDNPM or Injoy). 
> 
> 
> As Ed Durrant noted the modem is USB. 
>  I do have In-Joy. 
> In an Email sent to me by TPG a configuration option of  Dynamic IP (PPP authentication): Modem in PPPoE 
> is given.
> 
> 
>>OTOH, as combined routers-adsl modems are rather cheap these days, my 
>>recommendation would be to change the DSL-200 for a genuine router-adsl 
>>combination. Then the router does the dial-up for you, and you wouldn't 
>>have to bother about these things anymore, no matter what is the 
>>underlying operating system.
>>No need for Injoy nor ISDNPM then, and your tcpip could be set to 
>>"automatically using DHCP".
> 
> 
> 
> Seems like I'd better change the modem. Ed says to get an Etherrnet connectable modem and Kris a 
> combined router-adsl modem.  Which would be better?  I don't know anything about either. What ports are 
> these connected to?
> 
> 
> Thanks for the advice
> 
> Alan Duval

I'm with Kris and others here, go for as complete a device as possible, 
within your price range.

It has to have be an ADSL modem.

Having an ethernet router in it as well, means you have no extra 
software to load to control the link and it really becomes a simple plug 
in and use option (simply configure OS2-eCS to use DHCP and configure 
the modem router settings (userid password etc,) via a web browser). If 
this router is also a firewall, dhcp server and possibly also a DNS 
cache - all of which are good features to have.

If the model also has a built in 10/100 switch as they often do now a 
days, it removes the need for you to install one if you need to connect 
more than one PC.

If you're thinking of being able to use a wireless laptop around the 
house, there are ADSL modem/routers that also have wireless connectivity 
as well as utp ethernet built in.

And last of all, some even have a print server built in, so that you can 
share one printer between multiple people on your network.

Some of these may not be relevant for you and as you add features, the 
price increases but having run my own Injoy based PC as router/firewall 
for several years, I have now changed to a linksys router (I'm actually 
on Cable so there's no such thing as a cable modem/router, so I still 
have the cable modem as well).

I guess it's a matter of first of all asking TPG what they have on offer 
then looking around yourself (with the lists help) to find what you need.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:02:17 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  $20 USB 2.0 Via card

In simplicity of usability maybe, in technology it is still miles ahead 
(I know this from having to use Windoze XP all day at work, with slow 
downs hang ups, interuptions to load the latest patches etc. - and all 
at critical times when I need the system) It's a releif to come home and 
use a REAL OS !

By the way, the USB support is a Warp rather than eCS improvement and 
this is on a Warp 4 system. Since eCS is Warp 4 based, it would work in 
the same way of course.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> WooHoo!
> 
> Maybe eCS has finally caught up with Windoze!
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Installed USB 2.0 card, ran USBINST, rebooted system - all works.
>>
>> TOO EASY  !!

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:06:29 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

David Forrester wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:30:39 +1100 (AEDT), Alan Duval wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Get the combined router-adsl modem.  Why:
> 
> - Simpler to setup and maintain.
> 
> 
> Only get the pure modem if you are planning to run a server that is
> visible from the internet.  

Most routers now-a-days allow you to map specific ports (eg HTTP, FTP) 
through to a server behind the firewall on your LAN, so even this is no 
longer a good reason to put your own router in.

The price that these "network devices" are, it's also MUCH cheaper than 
setting up your own software based solution.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:09:20 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Interesting note from [VOICENWS] list

Chris_neeson wrote:

>OS/2 had security  features Win 3.x & 95 couldn't even dream of,
>a solid OS design, genuine multitasking, a genuine 32bit growth path, 
>and by v2.2 the ability to emulate Win 3.x.
>  
>
Hi Chris,

[Actually from OS/2 V2.10 ;-) ] WINOS2 ran any WIN3.1x application much 
more stably than WIN3.1x, and I never saw the memory leakage that native 
WIN 3.10/WFWG 3.11 suffered from so badly! :-)

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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[ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments]
[Please use zipped versions of above]

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Date:  Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:44:40 +1100
From:  "Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Ed Durrant wrote :
> Most routers now-a-days allow you to map specific ports (eg HTTP, FTP)
> through to a server behind the firewall on your LAN, so even this is no
> longer a good reason to put your own router in.
>
> The price that these "network devices" are, it's also MUCH cheaper than
> setting up your own software based solution.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
Next month I am switching from dial-up internet to two way satellite thanks
to
the HiBIS grant for those of us who live in woopwoop. For this I must have
the
DW4000 USB modem connected to a Windows box. No networking allowed
at setup under this scheme. After the Telstra man has left however, I can
reconnect my OS/2. If I want a router, Telstra will sell me a DW4020 to go
with the modem for $900. I cant buy a second hand one 'cause Telstra are
somehow
serialising/registering  the hardware with the ground station; so you must
buy via them.
There is a new DW6000 series out but until the 4000 series is sold out...
you know
the rest... (The main feature is they both convert the USB to ethernet and
provide a
4 port switch/hub NAT and a basic firewall The DW6000 provides everything in
one
box not three. Even so OS/2 may be incompatible.)
 In consequence of this I am looking at software routing, either nat32
(www.nat32 dot com)
which is Australian I think, or Satserv (www.getsatserv dot com) and  to dodge
the MS ICS
option.

Anybody want to give me advice about this?
Should I shift this to a renamed topic?

Mike

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:13:31 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>  
>
>>And on top of that, as any of these devices have  at least four  lan
>>ports, you can connect in an easy way several computers to each other,
>>for backup purposes for instance.
>>    
>>
>
>not always.... the Dlink 302 (that ISPs provide) only has 2: 1xethernet,
>1xUSB
>
>  
>
Are we speaking about the connecton from router to telephone line or the 
connection  from router to PC (NIC)??

Anyway, if there something USB in it it isn't worth a s**t.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:23:24 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:16:42 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
>Alan Duval schreef:
>
>> Ed says to get an Etherrnet connectable modem and Kris a 
>>combined router-adsl modem.  Which would be better?
>>
>A combined router-adsl device of course, as it is operating system 
>independent and on top of that you don't need InJoy nor ISDNPM nor 
>anything else, in Linux and Windy as well.
>
>>  I don't know anything about either. What ports are 
>>these connected to?
>>  
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>- You do need of course a NIC in the PC and a cable from NIC to 
>router-adsl device.
>- from PC to router-adsl you can make the connection in the easiest way: 
>DHCP (automatically using DHCP)
>
>- With mozilla or any browser in the router part then you can set 
>password and userid to the telecom company (thus that's not the 
>provider); from that on the router does all the hard work for you, and 
>keeps repeating doing so for ever.
>And on top of that, as any of these devices have  at least four  lan 
>ports, you can connect in an easy way several computers to each other, 
>for backup purposes for instance.
>
>
>-- 
>Groeten uit Gent,
>
>   Kris

Thanks Kris and others for your helpful advice.  I've decided to purchase a ADSL Modem/router and network 
card.  I doubt that TPG would take back their D-Link modem as I had opened the pack and thus they 
wouldn't be able to sell it again.

Many thanks

Alan Duval

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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:06:28 +1100
From:  "Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Satellite 2-way setup

As Alan has finished his thread 'ADSL setup' in which I first put this
posting,
I have started a new thread. Sorry for the confusion.

Ed Durrant wrote in the ADSL setup thread :
> Most routers now-a-days allow you to map specific ports (eg HTTP, FTP)
> through to a server behind the firewall on your LAN, so even this is no
> longer a good reason to put your own router in.
>
> The price that these "network devices" are, it's also MUCH cheaper than
> setting up your own software based solution.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.

Next month I am switching from dial-up internet to two way satellite thanks
to the HiBIS grant for those of us who live in woopwoop. For this I must
have the DW4000 USB modem connected to a Windows box. No networking
allowed at setup under this scheme. After the Telstra man has left however,
I can reconnect my OS/2. If I want a router, Telstra will sell me a DW4020
to go with the modem for $900. I cant buy a second hand one 'cause Telstra
are somehow serialising/registering  the hardware with the ground station;
so you must buy via them.
There is a new DW6000 series out but until the 4000 series is sold out...
you know the rest... (The main feature is they both convert the USB to
ethernet and provide a 4 port switch/hub NAT and a basic firewall . The
DW6000 provides everything in one box not three.
Even so OS/2 may be incompatible.)
In consequence of this I am looking at software routing, either nat32
(www.nat32 dot com) which is Australian I think, or Satserv
(www.getsatserv dot com) and  to dodge the MS ICS option.

Anybody want to give me advice about this?

Mike

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Date:  Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:24:05 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Kris Steenhaut said:
> Voytek Eymont schreef:
>>Kris Steenhaut said:
>>>And on top of that, as any of these devices have  at least four  lan
>>>ports, you can connect in an easy way several computers to each other,
>>>for backup purposes for instance.
>>not always.... the Dlink 302 (that ISPs provide) only has 2: 1xethernet,
>>1xUSB
> Are we speaking about the connecton from router to telephone line or the
> connection  from router to PC (NIC)??

me was replying to 'at least four  lan ports' part, so , me speaking about
connecting PC to device:
1 x ethernet
1 x usb

phone line is RJ11.... not USB not Ethernet... (but you knew that already)

> Anyway, if there something USB in it it isn't worth a s**t.

not that I personally used one, but it seems the way telcos connect them
things.

as it is, the 302 it's quite good, even if I never used the usb port, and,
perhaps, never will

I know of folks who do, apprently it works OK

then again, to do windoze luser, 'works ok' probly means somewhat
different what it means to me...

but, Dlink 302 is good, I use one (via ethernet, of course)

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:25:59 +1100 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:   adsl setup, what to do after

anyhow, ONCE you get the ADSL working, 'tis important to keep your screen
clean:

This hi-tech method works well

 http://screenclean.j1media dot com/lick.html

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:03:08 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ADSL setup

Michael Peters wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote :
> 
>>Most routers now-a-days allow you to map specific ports (eg HTTP, FTP)
>>through to a server behind the firewall on your LAN, so even this is no
>>longer a good reason to put your own router in.
>>
>>The price that these "network devices" are, it's also MUCH cheaper than
>>setting up your own software based solution.
>>
>>Cheers/2
>>
>>Ed.
> 
> Next month I am switching from dial-up internet to two way satellite thanks
> to
> the HiBIS grant for those of us who live in woopwoop. For this I must have
> the
> DW4000 USB modem connected to a Windows box. No networking allowed
> at setup under this scheme. After the Telstra man has left however, I can
> reconnect my OS/2. If I want a router, Telstra will sell me a DW4020 to go
> with the modem for $900. I cant buy a second hand one 'cause Telstra are
> somehow
> serialising/registering  the hardware with the ground station; so you must
> buy via them.
> There is a new DW6000 series out but until the 4000 series is sold out...
> you know
> the rest... (The main feature is they both convert the USB to ethernet and
> provide a
> 4 port switch/hub NAT and a basic firewall The DW6000 provides everything in
> one
> box not three. Even so OS/2 may be incompatible.)
>  In consequence of this I am looking at software routing, either nat32
> (www.nat32 dot com)
> which is Australian I think, or Satserv (www.getsatserv dot com) and  to dodge
> the MS ICS
> option.
> 
> Anybody want to give me advice about this?
> Should I shift this to a renamed topic?
> 
> Mike
> 
>Hi Mike,

    Searching on DW4020 I found this text on the website at:

http://www.dwge dot com/products/dw4020/

The DW4020 terminal is a self-hosted, stand-alone unit that provides an 
integrated broadband LAN solution to Windows, UNIX, Linux, MAC, and 
other platforms running IP over Ethernet.

Key features include:

     * Ethernet-based
     * Operating System (OS) independent
     * Scalable
     * Self-hosted
     * Stand-alone terminal

So it certainly should work with OS/2 without problems but $900 is a bit 
steep !

Cheers/2

Ed.
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