Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1039
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:01:09 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 03 February 2005
 Number  1039
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Subjects for today
 
1   I'm in real strife now! : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
2  Re:  I'm in real strife now! : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  I'm in real strife now! : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
4   I t hought I was in more strife than I really am : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
5  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
6  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7   Congratulations on the makeover! : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
8   Help needed for someone offline with Feature Installer : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
9  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
10  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am : Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>

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Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:56:56 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:   I'm in real strife now!

Hi all (and one)

I think I'm in real strife now.  On my system I have 5 OSs.  DR-DOS
7.03, Wintendo XP, Ubuntu Linux 4.10, eCS 1.2 and eCS 1.2 maintenance.
Linux is on it's own separate physical 30 gig HDD - IDE 0 slave, and all
the others are on various partitions on IDE 0 master, which is a 120gig
drive.  I've had this setup, trouble free, for years.  In a fit-of-peak
on Tuesday I re-installed Linux, still on it's own physical drive, but I
used JFS instead of the usual EXT3.  I have absolutely no idea if this
has anything to do with my problems now.

Ever since then I can't boot eCS.  But wait!  It's worse than that.  I
can't boot ANY version of eCS or OS/2 (back to Warp Connect) from ANY
source - HDD, CD or floppy.  Each attempt ends abruptly, about 1/2 way
through the boot-up splash screen time with this error message ...

========================
The system detected an internal processing error at
location  ##1200:4e78 - 0002:4e78
60002,  5000

Internal revision 14.100c_W4

The system is stopped.  Record all ... blah blah blah, you know the
rest!
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.... and that's it!!  I get the same from all versions from all sources.
Wintendo, DOS and Linux all boot fine.  I'm using Linux for this email.
I've not added any hardware or made any changes except re-installing
Ubuntu.

I've tried a few things ...
1. I've removed each of my 2 memory DIMMs 1 at a time and tried,
   them separately and mixed and matched them through each of the 3
   DIMM slots.
2. I ran an exhaustive memory tester (Memtest) on a cycle which took 
   23hrs to complete.  No errors.
3. I've looked at the partitions via a couple of very trick FDISK type
   programs, but can see nothing out of the ordinary.
4. I've set all the CMOS settings back to "fail safe".

When I boot from HDD, Bootmanager comes up as per usual, with all of the
choices I set.  When select ANY of the boot choices the boot process
commences normally - except the eCS choices crash out about 15 - 20
seconds in.  I know that if a partition is saved by any of the usual
FDISKs, (other that LVM) it disappears from the BM list until I go back
into LVM to re-instate it.  I also know that, in the case of a Windoze
install, it will set itself as the active partition, and all one has to
do is use Windoze FDISK to set the BM partition active again.

I've tried to be as detailed as possible here.  Does anyone have ANY
clues or suggestions pleeeeaaaaaase??

Thanx in advance
Kev

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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:18:05 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  I'm in real strife now!

Kev wrote:
> Hi all (and one)
> 
> I think I'm in real strife now.  On my system I have 5 OSs.  DR-DOS
> 7.03, Wintendo XP, Ubuntu Linux 4.10, eCS 1.2 and eCS 1.2 maintenance.
> Linux is on it's own separate physical 30 gig HDD - IDE 0 slave, and all
> the others are on various partitions on IDE 0 master, which is a 120gig
> drive.  I've had this setup, trouble free, for years.  In a fit-of-peak
> on Tuesday I re-installed Linux, still on it's own physical drive, but I
> used JFS instead of the usual EXT3.  I have absolutely no idea if this
> has anything to do with my problems now.
> 
> Ever since then I can't boot eCS.  But wait!  It's worse than that.  I
> can't boot ANY version of eCS or OS/2 (back to Warp Connect) from ANY
> source - HDD, CD or floppy.  Each attempt ends abruptly, about 1/2 way
> through the boot-up splash screen time with this error message ...
> 
========================
> The system detected an internal processing error at
> location  ##1200:4e78 - 0002:4e78
> 60002,  5000
> 
> Internal revision 14.100c_W4
> 
> The system is stopped.  Record all ... blah blah blah, you know the
> rest!
========================
> 
> ... and that's it!!  I get the same from all versions from all sources.
> Wintendo, DOS and Linux all boot fine.  I'm using Linux for this email.
> I've not added any hardware or made any changes except re-installing
> Ubuntu.
> 
> I've tried a few things ...
> 1. I've removed each of my 2 memory DIMMs 1 at a time and tried,
>    them separately and mixed and matched them through each of the 3
>    DIMM slots.
> 2. I ran an exhaustive memory tester (Memtest) on a cycle which took 
>    23hrs to complete.  No errors.
> 3. I've looked at the partitions via a couple of very trick FDISK type
>    programs, but can see nothing out of the ordinary.
> 4. I've set all the CMOS settings back to "fail safe".
> 
> When I boot from HDD, Bootmanager comes up as per usual, with all of the
> choices I set.  When select ANY of the boot choices the boot process
> commences normally - except the eCS choices crash out about 15 - 20
> seconds in.  I know that if a partition is saved by any of the usual
> FDISKs, (other that LVM) it disappears from the BM list until I go back
> into LVM to re-instate it.  I also know that, in the case of a Windoze
> install, it will set itself as the active partition, and all one has to
> do is use Windoze FDISK to set the BM partition active again.
> 
> I've tried to be as detailed as possible here.  Does anyone have ANY
> clues or suggestions pleeeeaaaaaase??
> 
> Thanx in advance
> Kev

Hi Kev,

   Since you suspect Linsux and it's on a separate drive, why not simply 
disconnect the data and power cables to that drive ? Then restart and 
see if the systems on the first drive run ?

    It could be that Linsux has tried to move the boot drive for the 
system to "its" drive - which is confusing Boot manager / LVM.

    You "ought" to be able to boot the system using an OS/2 Warp 4 CD 
and then exit to a command prompt and run LVM to fix up the partition 
table / boot record / boot manager on the first drive once the second 
drive is removed.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:32:14 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  I'm in real strife now!

Hi Ed

On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 19:18 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>    Since you suspect Linsux and it's on a separate drive, why not simply 
> disconnect the data and power cables to that drive ? Then restart and 
> see if the systems on the first drive run ?

Yea!!  Good idea.  Why didn't I think of that?
> 
>     It could be that Linsux has tried to move the boot drive for the 
> system to "its" drive - which is confusing Boot manager / LVM.
> 
>     You "ought" to be able to boot the system using an OS/2 Warp 4 CD 
> and then exit to a command prompt and run LVM to fix up the partition 
> table / boot record / boot manager on the first drive once the second 
> drive is removed.

Of course I haven't tried it with the slave drive removed, but so far I
get the same error from Warp 4 and Warp Connect.  Your suggestion is one
I will try in just a few minutes.

I'll let you know in a few mins.

Thanx
Kev

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:13:58 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:   I t hought I was in more strife than I really am

Hi Ed, et al

Well, here I am back in eCS for 1st time in 3 days.  So now to work out 
what Ubuntu did to my master drive.  The main reason I keep Linux on a 
separate physical drive is so that it would have less chance of killing 
all the stuff I really want, and it did it anyhow!

Unless someone has some better suggestion, I'll go into LVM and re-save 
each partition/volume as an LVM partition/volume and see if that fixes 
my woes.

Thanx
Kev
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:27:12 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am

I wrote:
> Hi Ed, et al
> 
> Well, here I am back in eCS for 1st time in 3 days.  So now to work out 
> what Ubuntu did to my master drive.  The main reason I keep Linux on a 
> separate physical drive is so that it would have less chance of killing 
> all the stuff I really want, and it did it anyhow!
> 
> Unless someone has some better suggestion, I'll go into LVM and re-save 
> each partition/volume as an LVM partition/volume and see if that fixes 
> my woes.

Well, that didn't work.  Does anyone know what command one uses in 
Wintendo XP for partition management?  I've tried FDISK and few other 
possibles but haven't struck upon the correct one yet.

Cheers
Kev
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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:45:13 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am

Kev wrote:
> I wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ed, et al
>>
>> Well, here I am back in eCS for 1st time in 3 days.  So now to work 
>> out what Ubuntu did to my master drive.  The main reason I keep Linux 
>> on a separate physical drive is so that it would have less chance of 
>> killing all the stuff I really want, and it did it anyhow!
>>
>> Unless someone has some better suggestion, I'll go into LVM and 
>> re-save each partition/volume as an LVM partition/volume and see if 
>> that fixes my woes.
> 
> 
> Well, that didn't work.  Does anyone know what command one uses in 
> Wintendo XP for partition management?  I've tried FDISK and few other 
> possibles but haven't struck upon the correct one yet.
> 
> Cheers
> Kev

In WindozeXP - right click on my computer, select manage, select disk 
administration and you'll come to a screen that looks REMARKABLY LIKE LVM !!

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:52:06 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Congratulations on the makeover!

To Ian who manages the OS2Site dot com software archive as a Hobbes mirror, may I
express my hearty congratulations on the makeover!

It even looks like Hobbes - which, given the recent VoiceNews announcement,
means a lot for the continuation of a large OS/2 Filepile!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... OS/2 is dead? Again? Thanks for telling me, I would never have noticed!
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:48:43 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Help needed for someone offline with Feature Installer

Hi all!

While commiserating with Kev in his multi-OS woes, I have a new one for you
all.

I had a call today from a chap who wants to stay with Warp 4+FP15 for now,
but who has eCS and could move on to it later. 

He has had to re-install, and has almost everything going again, except for
the Feature Installer (which IIRC was required for Java up to about 1.1.8
plus a few other items).

He can't get the FI installation to complete correctly. It refreshes his
Desktop but does not report itself finished, even after a reboot for say the
Locked Device Driver.

He has his working W4+FP15 but wants FI and recalls there was someone who
analysed the problem, worked out which directories to remove, and the FI then
installed itself perfectly happily.

He hasn't access to his email archive yet, and his online searching todate
has been fruitless. So he asked if I could help him track down that
significant but small piece of information he needs.

All and any there with a better memory than mine (read most of you!) could
you please help us help him?

TIA

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... W Gates III: According to my best recollection, I don't remember.
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:43:43 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am

Hi Kev,

I recently installed Ubuntu on a slave disk (not using JFS) and was able to delete it with DFSee . You can get 
a version that can be run from a floppy disk which is handy if you can't access eCS.
 I don't think any of the Linux versions are a patch on eCS. Programs e.g. Open Office load slowly on my 
setup and I found it to be more involved setting up modems & printers. Even though there were several drivers 
for my printer it wouldn't print colours correctly.
Since I installed upgrades to eCS1.1 sent to me by Bob Traynor, I find that StarOffice and Firefox load much 
quicker. StarOffice used to take about 30 secs to load but now only 7 secs. Lotus Smartsuite has always 
been fast loading and IBM works is back to fast loading since eCS 1.1.
As long as I can get printer drivers and up to date browsers i'm staying with eCS. I love it. 

Regards

Alan Duval

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:24:40 +0800
From:  Kev <kdownes at tpg dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  I t hought I was in more strife than I really am

Hi Alan

Alan Duval wrote:
> Hi Kev,
> 
> I recently installed Ubuntu on a slave disk (not using JFS) and was able to delete it with DFSee . You can get 
> a version that can be run from a floppy disk which is handy if you can't access eCS.
>  I don't think any of the Linux versions are a patch on eCS. Programs e.g. Open Office load slowly on my 
> setup and I found it to be more involved setting up modems & printers. Even though there were several drivers 
> for my printer it wouldn't print colours correctly.
> Since I installed upgrades to eCS1.1 sent to me by Bob Traynor, I find that StarOffice and Firefox load much 
> quicker. StarOffice used to take about 30 secs to load but now only 7 secs. Lotus Smartsuite has always 
> been fast loading and IBM works is back to fast loading since eCS 1.1.
> As long as I can get printer drivers and up to date browsers i'm staying with eCS. I love it. 

Yes, I do too.  I'll only go away from eCS when I can no longer do the 
things I want to do.  That will most probably eventually come about 
through the lack of drivers for modern hardware.  I agree with you wrt 
Linux, in that it is extremely difficult to make many erstwhile simple 
things work.  And of course, Linux doesn't have a WPS equivalent.  I do 
believe, however, that in years (not months) to come, the user interface 
and operabilty will become viable for people other than geeks, nerds and 
others of nature's freaks, and that eCS-OS/2 will eventually dwindle 
away.  There simply isn't the user base to keep eCS going for ever, as 
much as that grieves me.  As far as I can ascertain, there are only 2 
private users of eCS-OS/2 left in Perth.  I started with a friends OS/2 
2.1, and pre-ordered Warp3 through Tech Pacific about a month before 
stocks arrived here in Perth.  That was about 10 yrs ago now, so you can 
see that I'm thoroughly entrenched in the OS by now.  I have Linux there 
as a play thing mainly, so I'll be ready for that day.

Cheers all
Long live eCS
Kev

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