Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1038
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:01:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 02 February 2005
 Number  1038
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Subjects for today
 
1   MSN Search : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  MSN Search : STEVEN DAHARI" <stdahari at hotmail dot com>
3  Re:  MSN Search : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
4  Re:  MSN Search : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-  MSN Search : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
6  Re:  MSN Search : Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  MSN Search : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
8  Re:  MSN Search : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re:  MSN Search : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
10  Re:  MSN Search : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re:  MSN Search : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
12  Re:  MSN Search : Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
13  Re:  backup to CD & EAs - Standards : Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
14  Re:  MSN Search : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:50:46 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   MSN Search

Goto

http://www.msn dot com/

and enter

os2site dot com

into the search box and click on Search

:-)))))

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Those who can, do.  Those who can't, supervise!
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Date:  Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:44:03 -0500
From:  "STEVEN DAHARI" <stdahari at hotmail dot com>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
<P>Hello Ian,</P>
<P>I may have too many irons in the fire, what is this for?</P>
<P>Thanks,</P>
<P>Steven<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Ian Manners" &lt;deadmail&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "OS2GenAu" &lt;os2genau at os2 dot org dot au&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject:  MSN Search
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:50:46 +1100 (EDT)
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Goto
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.msn dot com/
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;and enter
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;os2site dot com
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;into the search box and click on Search
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;:-)))))
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Cheers
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Ian Manners
<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.os2site dot com/
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Those who can, do.&nbsp;&nbsp;Those who can't, supervise!
<DIV></DIV>&gt;----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV></div></html>

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:14:52 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Ian Manners wrote:

>Goto
>
>http://www.msn dot com/
>
>and enter
>
>os2site dot com
>
>into the search box and click on Search
>
>:-)))))
>

Hi Ian,

Well -- I guess one out of two isn't bad -- for M$!
Seriously , for a service that's trying to beat Google, what a pathetic 
attempt!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:23:08 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Ian Manners wrote:
> 
>> Goto
>>
>> http://www.msn dot com/
>>
>> and enter
>>
>> os2site dot com
>>
>> into the search box and click on Search
>>
>> :-)))))
>>
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> Well -- I guess one out of two isn't bad -- for M$!
> Seriously , for a service that's trying to beat Google, what a pathetic 
> attempt!
> 

You'll also note that the search engine referenced is "beta.search" or 
something, so like most of M$ software, it isn't finished "quite yet".

Might be worth dropping a line to the organisation listed as being at 
os2site dot com to tell them about this M$ blunder ??

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:24:04 +1000
From:  Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
Subject:   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-  MSN Search

-----Original Message--Sent by: "Ian Manners" <deadmail> on 2/02/05 
2:49:39-----

Original sent to: "OS2GenAu" <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>, 

Goto

http://www.msn dot com/

and enter

os2site dot com

into the search box and click on Search

:-)))))

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Those who can, do.  Those who can't, supervise!
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The mind boggles.

Regards
Dennis.

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:31:30 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <gmi12896 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Trying your hand at being a spook Ian?  Oh what fun  :-D

Cheers
G

Ian Manners wrote:

>Goto
>
>http://www.msn dot com/
>
>and enter
>
>os2site dot com
>
>into the search box and click on Search
>
>:-)))))
>
>Cheers
>Ian Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>Those who can, do.  Those who can't, supervise!

> 

>
>  
>
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:31:10 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Ian Manners wrote:
>>
>>> Goto
>>>
>>> http://www.msn dot com/
>>>
>>> and enter
>>>
>>> os2site dot com
>>>
>>> into the search box and click on Search
>>>
>>> :-)))))
>>>
>>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Well -- I guess one out of two isn't bad -- for M$!
>> Seriously , for a service that's trying to beat Google, what a 
>> pathetic attempt!
>>
> You'll also note that the search engine referenced is "beta.search" or 
> something, so like most of M$ software, it isn't finished "quite yet".
>
> Might be worth dropping a line to the organisation listed as being at 
> os2site dot com to tell them about this M$ blunder ??
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.

Hi Ed,

os2site dot com and ecssite dot com are *run* by Ian Manners!
I thought you would have known that!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:34:23 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Ian Manners wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goto
>>>>
>>>> http://www.msn dot com/
>>>>
>>>> and enter
>>>>
>>>> os2site dot com
>>>>
>>>> into the search box and click on Search
>>>>
>>>> :-)))))
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ian,
>>>
>>> Well -- I guess one out of two isn't bad -- for M$!
>>> Seriously , for a service that's trying to beat Google, what a 
>>> pathetic attempt!
>>>
>> You'll also note that the search engine referenced is "beta.search" or 
>> something, so like most of M$ software, it isn't finished "quite yet".
>>
>> Might be worth dropping a line to the organisation listed as being at 
>> os2site dot com to tell them about this M$ blunder ??
>>
>> Cheers/2
>>
>> Ed.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> os2site dot com and ecssite dot com are *run* by Ian Manners!
> I thought you would have known that!
> 
Mike - go do the search - MSN links os2site to a "certain" australian 
goverment organisation ....   I think that's the point Ian is making 
(but we should keep it secret - pun intended).

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:57:00 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> os2site dot com and ecssite dot com are *run* by Ian Manners!
>> I thought you would have known that!
>
> Mike - go do the search - MSN links os2site to a "certain" australian 
> goverment organisation ....   I think that's the point Ian is making 
> (but we should keep it secret - pun intended).
>
> Cheers/2

Hi Ed,

That was the first thing I did - and of course the ASIO link also went 
straight to Ian's site!
Which was what I meant about one out of two correct!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:03:58 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> os2site dot com and ecssite dot com are *run* by Ian Manners!
>>> I thought you would have known that!
>>
>>
>> Mike - go do the search - MSN links os2site to a "certain" australian 
>> goverment organisation ....   I think that's the point Ian is making 
>> (but we should keep it secret - pun intended).
>>
>> Cheers/2
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> That was the first thing I did - and of course the ASIO link also went 
> straight to Ian's site!
> Which was what I meant about one out of two correct!
> 

And my comment was that perhaps ASIO need to be told that MSN is picking 
up their site data and listing it under incorrect links. They might not 
be too happy.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:24:20 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> os2site dot com and ecssite dot com are *run* by Ian Manners!
>>>> I thought you would have known that!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike - go do the search - MSN links os2site to a "certain" 
>>> australian goverment organisation ....   I think that's the point 
>>> Ian is making (but we should keep it secret - pun intended).
>>>
>>> Cheers/2
>>
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> That was the first thing I did - and of course the ASIO link also 
>> went straight to Ian's site!
>> Which was what I meant about one out of two correct!
>
>
> And my comment was that perhaps ASIO need to be told that MSN is 
> picking up their site data and listing it under incorrect links. They 
> might not be too happy.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed. 

Hi Ed,

Well if someone puts them wise, then there'll be at least one Govt. 
entity that knows that OS/2 is still alive and kicking!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:51:19 -0500
From:  Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

Oh, come on, Ed.

Linking ASIO to OS2 Warp guarantees at least
one intelligent association with our 'Intelligence'
organisation.
( some, of course, might regard the correct association
  as "Warped"
  - just how many puns are we running here? )

Regards
Chris.

------------- Ed's most recent post was: -------------
And my comment was that perhaps ASIO need to be told that MSN is picking 
up their site data and listing it under incorrect links. They might not 
be too happy.

Cheers/2
Ed.

--------------- earlier ones follow ------------------
 
Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> os2site dot com and ecssite dot com are *run* by Ian Manners!
>>> I thought you would have known that!
>>
>>
>> Mike - go do the search - MSN links os2site to a "certain" australian 
>> goverment organisation ....   I think that's the point Ian is making 
>> (but we should keep it secret - pun intended).
>>
>> Cheers/2
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> That was the first thing I did - and of course the ASIO link also went 
> straight to Ian's site!
> Which was what I meant about one out of two correct!
> 
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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:55:52 -0500
From:  Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
Subject:  Re:  backup to CD & EAs - Standards

I'd asked whether CD burner programs wrote EAs with files to CD,
got some responses from Mike, Voytek & maybe others whose names
I've missed, and thought I'd check the standards.

I'll describe what's in the standards in a minute,
but the next step seems to be to ask Chris Wohglemuth re CDREcord/2
& check IBM's Device Developer Kit as to exactly what CDFS supports.

Anyway, for EAs on CD, the relevant standards seem to be:

* ISO 9660 Rev 2 ( ECMA 119 )
  - Volume & File Structure for CDROM, 1987

* ISO 13346 ( ECMA 167 )
  - Vol & File Structure for Write Once & Rewritables,
    nonsequential recording, 1997

* ISO 13490 ( ECMA 168 )
  - Vol & File Structure for Read Only, Write Once, 1994.

It turns out that the earlier 9660 standard allowd for Unix style EAs
FOR FILES ( as Mike mentioned ), with these being written as the
first extent in the space allocated for that file on the CD.

The File Structure in the later standards allow much greater use of EAs.

They allow

* a lot more variety in TYPEs of EA that can be associated WITH
  A FILE.

  IMPORTANTLY, FILE EAs are written IN THE DIRECTORY for these file
  systems ( ie 'shifted' to the directory from the file extents ).

  There's an EA type for "Application Use", one to duplicate
  the Unix style EA information contained in ISO 9660, and even
  one to allow the entire contents of small files to be stored
  as EAs in the directory immediately after the filename
  structure, etc etc

* EAs for just about any file system entity

  So we can have EAS for

  - the Volume Description itself

  - Paths ( which I don't fully understand yet )

  - Directories

  - as well as individual files.

  This is where I'd gotten confused
  - I'd seen the EA structure for the Volume Description in source
    code and thought it was a structure for all EAs for all files
    on the CD ( whereas it's specifically for the Vol Desc in the std ).

  Anyway, the next step as far as EAs goes is to see what CDRecord
  does, and what IBM builds into its CDFS.

Regards
Chris.
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:22:53 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  MSN Search

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:44:03 -0500, STEVEN DAHARI wrote:

Hio Steven and Ian

It's nice to see that MSN ranks Ian as an equal partner in Australia's
anti-terrorist defences...

:-)))))))))

>
>
>Hello Ian, 
>
>I may have too many irons in the fire, what is this for? 
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Steven
>
>
>
>>From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail> 
>>Reply-To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au 
>>To: "OS2GenAu" <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au> 
>>Subject:  MSN Search 
>>Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:50:46 +1100 (EDT) 
>> 
>>Goto 
>> 
>>http://www.msn dot com/ 
>> 
>>and enter 
>> 
>>os2site dot com 
>> 
>>into the search box and click on Search 
>> 
>>:-))))) 
>> 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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