Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 954
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:01:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 07 October 2004
 Number  954
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  hi speed USB ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
2  Re:  hi speed USB ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
3  Re:  hi speed USB ? : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
4  Re:  hi speed USB ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  hi speed USB ? : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Cheap computer : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Cheap computer : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Cheap computer : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
9   Internet access via unwired and ecs : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
10  Re:  Internet access via unwired and ecs : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11   fixpacks : John Wildgoose <johnwild at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
12  Re:  fixpacks : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Internet access via unwired and ecs : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
14  Re:  fixpacks : John Wildgoose <johnwild at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
15  Re:  Cheap computer : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
16  Re:  Cheap computer : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
17  Re:  Spyware : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:57:12 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  hi speed USB ?

Paul Smedley said:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>> Mike O'Connor said:
>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>>Paul Smedley said:

> With cwUSBMSD I don't use /REMOVABLES at all and the card reader still
> works..

Paul,

reading the csUSB docs, cw USB doesn't suppport EHCI, amd I correct in
that ? only OHCI.

I'll try it anyhow, just concerned about potentiall speed loss

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:01:08 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  hi speed USB ?

Mike O'Connor said:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>Mike O'Connor said:
>>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>>>Paul Smedley said:

> That 480mbps rate is all BS - tests have shown that maximum throughput
> on external HDs using USB2 were only around 27MB/sec compared to the
> "slower!?" 400Mbps Firewire which gave 34MB/sec.

this seems a bit like 'IDE drives are faster than SCSI'

> Did you create the volume directly -- or did you follow the full
> procedure and delete+recreate the partition, then make a volume from that?
>
>>gave instant reboot...
>>now, it allowed partition, again, after F3, instant reboot
>>
>>3 instant reboots later, I seem to have re made my partition;
>>though, back to HPFS, I undone the JFS after I couldn't get the drive
>> letter 'engage'.
>>
>>
>>
> I'm not familiar with "instant reboot" and "after F3" - do you mean that
> you are resetting the Video back to VGA-GRADD at each reboot?

no, I mean, when exiting/save LVM (i.e. F3/save), the PC instanly reboots....

ever since I started stuffing around with this stick, that's what happens,
any LVM alteration on stcik, when esiting LVM F3/sabe, reboots the PC

I think I'll reformat stick with supplied utilies and, start afresh

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:31:17 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  hi speed USB ?

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>Mike O'Connor said:
>  
>
>>That 480mbps rate is all BS - tests have shown that maximum on external HDs using USB2 were only around 27MB/sec compared to the throughput "slower!?" 400Mbps Firewire which gave 34MB/sec.
>>    
>>
>this seems a bit like 'IDE drives are faster than SCSI'
>  
>
A lot of that argument is because of the generally larger caches on SCSI 
drives.

>>Did you create the volume directly -- or did you follow the full
>>procedure and delete+recreate the partition, then make a volume from that?
>>
>>>gave instant reboot...
>>>now, it allowed partition, again, after F3, instant reboot
>>>
>>>3 instant reboots later, I seem to have re made my partition;
>>>though, back to HPFS, I undone the JFS after I couldn't get the drive
>>>letter 'engage'.
>>>
>>I'm not familiar with "instant reboot" and "after F3" - do you mean that you are resetting the Video back to VGA-GRADD at each reboot?
>>    
>>
>no, I mean, when exiting/save LVM (i.e. F3/save), the PC instanly reboots...
>  
>
Ah! Gotcha now.

>ever since I started stuffing around with this stick, that's what happens, any LVM alteration on stcik, when esiting LVM F3/sabe, reboots the PC
>
>I think I'll reformat stick with supplied utilies and, start afresh
>

Hi Voytek,

As this procedure shouldn't be writing any "changes" to your HDD-MBR, 
have you considered using the utility from DANI - comes with DANIS506 
package - think it's diskinfo.exe - that allows you to "write-protect" 
cylinder-0 i.e. your MBR on HDD?

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:39:10 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  hi speed USB ?

Mike O'Connor said:
> Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>Mike O'Connor said:
>>>That 480mbps rate is all BS - tests have shown that maximum on external
>>> HDs using USB2 were only around 27MB/sec compared to the throughput
>>> "slower!?" 400Mbps Firewire which gave 34MB/sec.
>>this seems a bit like 'IDE drives are faster than SCSI'
>>
>>
> A lot of that argument is because of the generally larger caches on SCSI
> drives.

I thought it was more to do with dedicated processor and logic;
and, you hang, last time I looked, 14 drives of a scsi controler versus ide

 > As this procedure shouldn't be writing any "changes" to your HDD-MBR,
> have you considered using the utility from DANI - comes with DANIS506
> package - think it's diskinfo.exe - that allows you to "write-protect"
> cylinder-0 i.e. your MBR on HDD?

wasn;t aware of this; I need to re-read Danis's docs, now that I'm going
to IDE.

well, I was forced to it, my old system was all-scii: cd rom, cdrw, dat, hd;

then Sony CDR wouldn't read CDRWs...;
so, I had to put an IDE CDR; but was still using external Yama CDRW;
when I saw the Teak for 32$.... 50x vs Yama 4 x...

say; should I put cdrw/cdr on prim/sec, rather than , both on 1 controller ?
the hds are still scsi

do cdr/cdrw support the high density ribbons things ?

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:07:48 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  hi speed USB ?

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>Mike O'Connor said:
>  
>
>>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Mike O'Connor said:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>That 480mbps rate is all BS - tests have shown that maximum on external HDs using USB2 were only around 27MB/sec compared to the throughput "slower!?" 400Mbps Firewire which gave 34MB/sec.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>this seems a bit like 'IDE drives are faster than SCSI'
>>>
>>A lot of that argument is because of the generally larger caches on SCSI drives.
>>    
>>
>I thought it was more to do with dedicated processor and logic;
>and, you hang, last time I looked, 14 drives of a scsi controler versus ide
>  
>
W-SCSI does has that advantage -- 15 drives+controller [0-7[HBA]-15] 
(per channel!)
Sequential access is a lot different to random - EIDE can be faster than 
SCSI under certain conditions [given same drive specifications & brand]

> > 
>
>>As this procedure shouldn't be writing any "changes" to your HDD-MBR, have you considered using the utility from DANI - comes with DANIS506 package - think it's diskinfo.exe - that allows you to "write-protect" cylinder-0 i.e. your MBR on HDD?
>>    
>>
>wasn;t aware of this; I need to re-read Danis's docs, now that I'm going to IDE.
>
>well, I was forced to it, my old system was all-scii: cd rom, cdrw, dat, hd;
>
>then Sony CDR wouldn't read CDRWs...;
>so, I had to put an IDE CDR; but was still using external Yama CDRW;
>when I saw the Teak for 32$.... 50x vs Yama 4 x...
>
>say; should I put cdrw/cdr on prim/sec, rather than , both on 1 controller ?
>the hds are still scsi
>  
>
Probably won't make any significant difference, but you could put the 
current primary slave as master on the secondary, in view of the fact 
that you have no other EIDE HDD at this time, so IRQ15/port 0170h are 
unused.

>do cdr/cdrw support the high density ribbons things ?
>

Hi Voytek,

Even 52x  CD-R* have a max read-rate of 52*150KB/sec = ~7.8MB/sec << 
UDMA2-3 [33MB-44MB/sec] which is the upper limit of 40-wire cables. 
80-wire cables needed for UDMA4-5-6 [66-100-133MB/sec], so not really a 
problem having 40-wire cables for quite a while yet!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:50:53 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cheap computer

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:55:04 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Doesn't sound bad for the price but no network and no soundcard ?? Also any idea what
>the video chipset is ??

I was told that a sound card is included and that there is an outlet for networking. The shop assistants 
couldn't give me any further information. They said Acer makes their own components which I doubt. Maybe 
further info could be gleaned from the internet. The model is Acer Inspire and I was told that it is a new model 
and not a run out model. WIN XP iloaded.

Regards

Alan Duval

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:01:40 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cheap computer

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:55:04 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Doesn't sound bad for the price but no network and no soundcard ?? Also any idea what
>the video chipset is ??
>

OK so this is further info i've gleaned from the internet.

Acer Aspire  T310

SIS 661FX chipset with built in VGA graphics
Integrated LAN
Integrated audio
6 USB 2.0 ports  (two front)
3.5" floppy disc drive
7-in-1  card reader (optional)
Multimedia keyboard & mouse
256 MB memory expandable to 2GB
3 PCI 2.2 slots
8x agp slot for upgrading graphics

Cheers

Al;an Duval

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:13:35 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cheap computer

Alan Duval wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:55:04 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >Doesn't sound bad for the price but no network and no soundcard ?? Also any idea what
> >the video chipset is ??
> >
>
> OK so this is further info i've gleaned from the internet.
>
> Acer Aspire  T310
>
> SIS 661FX chipset with built in VGA graphics
> Integrated LAN
> Integrated audio
> 6 USB 2.0 ports  (two front)
> 3.5" floppy disc drive
> 7-in-1  card reader (optional)
> Multimedia keyboard & mouse
> 256 MB memory expandable to 2GB
> 3 PCI 2.2 slots
> 8x agp slot for upgrading graphics
>
> Cheers
>
> Al;an Duval
>

Thanks for the research Alan. I'm thinking of upgrading the wife's PC and wondering
whether I'd be better buying a cheap PC like this, for myself and passing my system on to
her - this means that the new system would need to be able run eCS of course, hence the
questions.

I always used to build my own systems but at the prices nowadays, it's not really worth it
!

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:51:49 +1000
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:   Internet access via unwired and ecs

Hi all

Just thought I would let others know of my success with using unwired 
for internet access. Actually the ISP is Veritel and they use the 
Unwired network.

I received the modem this morning and had to do some reconfiguration of 
my Internet machine which was connecting to a Cisco router and then to 
the Internet via ISDN.

Basically the modem connects via ethernet to my machine and using injoy 
firewall and PPPOe I was able to connect and logon. It's good to have a 
1024/256k connection instead of 64k. I still have some playing around to 
do to make sure I have it all configured correctly as it is supposed to 
use DHCP but without configuring "use a previous ip address" start up 
halts with the message about not locating a DHCP server.

When I get everything working as I would like I will send in another 
report.

regards
Ken

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:05:27 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Internet access via unwired and ecs

Ken Laurie wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Just thought I would let others know of my success with using unwired
> for internet access. Actually the ISP is Veritel and they use the
> Unwired network.
>
> I received the modem this morning and had to do some reconfiguration of
> my Internet machine which was connecting to a Cisco router and then to
> the Internet via ISDN.
>
> Basically the modem connects via ethernet to my machine and using injoy
> firewall and PPPOe I was able to connect and logon. It's good to have a
> 1024/256k connection instead of 64k. I still have some playing around to
> do to make sure I have it all configured correctly as it is supposed to
> use DHCP but without configuring "use a previous ip address" start up
> halts with the message about not locating a DHCP server.
>
> When I get everything working as I would like I will send in another
> report.
>
> regards
> Ken
>

That's good input Ken !  I thought Unwired would simply be using standard WiFi
adapters but if they supply an ethernet connectable modem with PPoE authentication,
that's the same as ADSL as far as the system is concerned (I think).  It'd be
interesting to see if it would work using eCONet - the software that comes with eCS
1.2 rather than Injoy, if possible.  As for the DHCP issue, make sure the dhcp client
is starting.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:56:22 +1000 (EST)
From:  John Wildgoose <johnwild at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Subject:   fixpacks

Hi,

Does anyone still get fixpacks for warp4, or have you all switched to ecs?
What is the status of fixpacks? Can we still access them without being
part of software choice (which I thought was ceasing). 

Finally even if we can get them will they fix ecs or do we have to wait
for the next ecs upgrade?

jaw

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:07:28 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  fixpacks

John Wildgoose wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone still get fixpacks for warp4, or have you all switched to ecs?
> What is the status of fixpacks? Can we still access them without being
> part of software choice (which I thought was ceasing).
>
> Finally even if we can get them will they fix ecs or do we have to wait
> for the next ecs upgrade?
>
> jaw
>

Latest Warp 4 version is Convienience Pack 2 at fixpack 4 and you are correct, this is
only obtainable if you have a Software Choice subscription. Software Choice is
dissapearing and IBm are staying with the Passport Advantage service offering as how
you will be able to get the next fixpacks, driver updates etc.

Passport Advantage is really aimed at corporations. The simplest, cheapest and best
way to get access is through an eCS software subscription. The fixpacks and driver
updates produced for OS/2 Warp 4 also apply to eCS as eCS is a "value add" version of
OS/2 Warp 4.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:09:16 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Internet access via unwired and ecs

You shouldn't need econet for ADSL connection. Al least I don't think I do.

I used it for the dial-up modem, when I changed over to ADSL, I replaced my network router with the router modem. The modem-router used the same IP address as the router, so I only had to log into the modem-router web server and configure the modem and bingo.

Regards
Dennis. 

Ed Durrant wrote:

>Ken Laurie wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>Just thought I would let others know of my success with using unwired
>>for internet access. Actually the ISP is Veritel and they use the
>>Unwired network.
>>
>>I received the modem this morning and had to do some reconfiguration of
>>my Internet machine which was connecting to a Cisco router and then to
>>the Internet via ISDN.
>>
>>Basically the modem connects via ethernet to my machine and using injoy
>>firewall and PPPOe I was able to connect and logon. It's good to have a
>>1024/256k connection instead of 64k. I still have some playing around to
>>do to make sure I have it all configured correctly as it is supposed to
>>use DHCP but without configuring "use a previous ip address" start up
>>halts with the message about not locating a DHCP server.
>>
>>When I get everything working as I would like I will send in another
>>report.
>>
>>regards
>>Ken
>>
>>    
>>
>
>That's good input Ken !  I thought Unwired would simply be using standard WiFi
>adapters but if they supply an ethernet connectable modem with PPoE authentication,
>that's the same as ADSL as far as the system is concerned (I think).  It'd be
>interesting to see if it would work using eCONet - the software that comes with eCS
>1.2 rather than Injoy, if possible.  As for the DHCP issue, make sure the dhcp client
>is starting.
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>

> 

>
>
>  
>
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:20:33 +1000 (EST)
From:  John Wildgoose <johnwild at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Subject:  Re:  fixpacks

Ed,

Thanks, that cleared things up.

jaw

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Ed Durrant wrote:

> 
> 
> John Wildgoose wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone still get fixpacks for warp4, or have you all switched to ecs?
> > What is the status of fixpacks? Can we still access them without being
> > part of software choice (which I thought was ceasing).
> >
> > Finally even if we can get them will they fix ecs or do we have to wait
> > for the next ecs upgrade?
> >
> > jaw
> >
> 
> Latest Warp 4 version is Convienience Pack 2 at fixpack 4 and you are correct, this is
> only obtainable if you have a Software Choice subscription. Software Choice is
> dissapearing and IBm are staying with the Passport Advantage service offering as how
> you will be able to get the next fixpacks, driver updates etc.
> 
> Passport Advantage is really aimed at corporations. The simplest, cheapest and best
> way to get access is through an eCS software subscription. The fixpacks and driver
> updates produced for OS/2 Warp 4 also apply to eCS as eCS is a "value add" version of
> OS/2 Warp 4.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 

>  

> 

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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:11:58 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cheap computer

Did you guys see my post on the Acer T310.?  I was beginning to wonder if my posts are invisible or if maybe 
(paranoia) I am beign ignored??

David

(ecs/os/2 user from Brisbane QLD)

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:13:35 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>
>
>Alan Duval wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:55:04 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>> >Doesn't sound bad for the price but no network and no soundcard ?? Also any idea what
>> >the video chipset is ??
>> >
>>
>> OK so this is further info i've gleaned from the internet.
>>
>> Acer Aspire  T310
>>
>> SIS 661FX chipset with built in VGA graphics
>> Integrated LAN
>> Integrated audio
>> 6 USB 2.0 ports  (two front)
>> 3.5" floppy disc drive
>> 7-in-1  card reader (optional)
>> Multimedia keyboard & mouse
>> 256 MB memory expandable to 2GB
>> 3 PCI 2.2 slots
>> 8x agp slot for upgrading graphics
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Al;an Duval
>>
>
>Thanks for the research Alan. I'm thinking of upgrading the wife's PC and wondering
>whether I'd be better buying a cheap PC like this, for myself and passing my system on to
>her - this means that the new system would need to be able run eCS of course, hence the
>questions.
>
>I always used to build my own systems but at the prices nowadays, it's not really worth it
>!
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>

> 

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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:10:12 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Cheap computer

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:11:58 +1000, David Shearer wrote:

>Did you guys see my post on the Acer T310.?  I was beginning to wonder if my posts are invisible or if maybe 
>(paranoia) I am beign ignored??
>

Yes David. I didn't check my eMail until after I had typed and sent my last eMails. As you have found the Acer 
Aspire T310 to be very satisfactory I'm now toying with the idea of buying one myself. I'd like to be able to use 
voice to contact a friend in the country. Costs too much phoning. I think I would need WIN XP or Linux to 
install the programs. Only have WIN 95 at present and not enough space to install either of these.
One thing I didn't check - Does the Acer Aspire have a parallel port?

Regards

Alan Duval

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**= Email   17 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:21:02 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Spyware

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:36:26 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:

>
>Presuming you mean *anti-*spyware... <g>
>
>Probably not required, Alan, since the known malicious spyware is almost all
>for Win.
>
>Mozilla and Firefox both incorporate Popup-Window-Blocking, which may be
>called first-level anti-intrusion, apart from Norman Anti-Virus of course.

Yes I was referring to anti Spyware. I thought there was one such program called "Spyware" for Windows.

My reason for this request is that I have been receiving eMails from Yahoo thanking me for my mail to FreeOs 
which I subscribe to but have not sent anything to for some time. Also I am receiving eMail from the FreeOs 
site which is spam. I am wondering whether some trojan has been installed on my computer.

Regards

Alan Duval

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