Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 912
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:01:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 11 August 2004
 Number  912
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Fwd: Owch! : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  Fwd: Owch! : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
4  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  EXT2 from OS/2 : freiherr at earthlink dot net
6  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:51:36 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Fwd: Owch!

Hi John

> Is this a risk for OS/2?
> Developers, what can you tell us about dynamic loading of DLLs straight into
> memory in OS/2-eCS?

Yes, it is a risk for any Operating System including OS/2 but you
would first need someone to write the DLL for OS/2.
Its a bigger risk if you have Win-OS/2 and/or DOS support loaded.
Second, you would need a hole in OS/2 to load the DLL into RAM.
Third, PROTECTONLY=YES would need to be NO to present a more
likely proposition of success.

Same as any system, you also need a delivery mechanism.

If you use a VPC running under OS/2, the answer would also depend
on something external gaining access to that VPC.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Windows: A View to be Killed.
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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:15:50 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Fwd: Owch!

Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi John
>
>  
>
>>Is this a risk for OS/2?
>>Developers, what can you tell us about dynamic loading of DLLs straight into
>>memory in OS/2-eCS?
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, it is a risk for any Operating System including OS/2 but you
>would first need someone to write the DLL for OS/2.
>Its a bigger risk if you have Win-OS/2 and/or DOS support loaded.
>Second, you would need a hole in OS/2 to load the DLL into RAM.
>Third, PROTECTONLY=YES would need to be NO to present a more
>likely proposition of success.
>
>Same as any system, you also need a delivery mechanism.
>
>If you use a VPC running under OS/2, the answer would also depend
>on something external gaining access to that VPC.
>
>Cheers
>Ian Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>Windows: A View to be Killed.
>

Hi Ian, John,

Thanks for the confirmation Ian!
I re-posted both this and previously an extract of the original on 
os2user at Yahoo.

[Liked the tagline]

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:56:03 -0400
From:  Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

Subject formerly part of Graham Utilities - Wishlist

One of Voytek's questions was how do we access HPFS
from Windoze boots?

1. carefully

2a. somebody wrote an IHPFS DOS package that gave DOS boots
     access to HPFS partitions.

     Early versions were read only access ( still useful for recovery ).

    The HPFS partiton might get a different drive letter
     from a DOS boot than it had in OS2
     ( depending how you 'configured' your DOS config.sys
       & autoexec ).

     For those who need it, they're on Hobbes ( & OS2site? ).

3a. somebody else wrote AMOS, also for DOS boots
     version 1.20 claims to support read/write access to HPFS
     ( haven't tried it, also downloadable from Hobbes ).

Regards,
Chris

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Chris_neeson said:

> 4 I'd like resurrection of Stacker, with extension of support
>    to JFS & Linux's ext2/3.
>
>    ( not sure if this belongs in a utility package, but anyway... )
>
>    The beauty of Stacker for DOS & OS/2 was that you could access
>    your compressed 'drives' from whichever OS you booted
>    ( ESSENTIAL! - having access to data dependent on your OS
>      is simply unacceptable )

how do you access HPFS from windoze ?
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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:10:52 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

Chris_neeson said:
> Subject formerly part of Graham Utilities - Wishlist
> One of Voytek's questions was how do we access HPFS
> from Windoze boots?

> 2a. somebody wrote an IHPFS DOS package that gave DOS boots
> 3a. somebody else wrote AMOS, also for DOS boots

thanks, I'll try
I ocassionally boot windoze 98 (either to sync Palm/Avantgo, use
word/acrobat or use IE) and, it would be handy at times to be able to
access stuff, if need be

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:13:42 -0400
From:  freiherr at earthlink dot net
Subject:  Re:  EXT2 from OS/2

Along the recent line of HPFS from Windows, it occurs to me that years
ago I had a utility that would read and write Linux EXT2 partitions
from OS/2.  It was broken when I went to larger drives, and over time
I've lost it.  A search has been fruitless; does anyone know if there
is something that works?

Regards, 
Eric Schilke

Copyright (c) 2004.  All rights reserved.

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:44:37 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

Actually microsoft supply the required solution for accessing HPFS from any of their
32Bit Operating systems (ie not WINDOS 9X or 3X).  I'm pretty sure it's documented ON
THE MICROSOFT SITE ! Do a search on PINBALL - this is the DLL (ex windows NT 4) that
you can add to Windows 2000 or Windows XP and Windows then supports HPFS formatted
drives the same as NTFS or FAT32.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:55:29 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

Ed,

In the name of accuracy:-
A search of microsoft via google for "pinball" only returns 3 hits for games.

The name of the file you refer to is PINBALL.SYS and NOT a
DLL file.

For those of a suicidal nature, have a look at:-

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/hpfs_w2k.zip

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/hpfs_nt4.zip

From a readme;-
-------------
Copy pinball.sys from your NT 3.5x CD-ROM to x:\winnt\system32\drivers.
Substitute x: for your own drive letter and winnt for your
Windows NT directory.

Then  use hpfs_nt.exe, a  freeware program from WarpSpeed Software,  
which will setup all your registry entries.
-------------

Also, I think there are caveats on the use of this driver.

From memory, I think the HPFS  partition size was critical when
it got beyond a certain size.  A lot of people in the early
days, could not get it to work after win2k and some claimed
HPFS file system corruption.

Personally, I would NOT try it at all.

I am sure Microsoft will have ensured that the later windows
versions (XP etc.) will NOT work with this kludge.!

Don't blame me if you totally screw up your os2 HPFS partitions.

Lots of luck, mate.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
11 August 2004   18:51

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:44:37 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

> Actually microsoft supply the required solution for accessing HPFS from any of their
> 32Bit Operating systems (ie not WINDOS 9X or 3X).  I'm pretty sure it's documented ON
> THE MICROSOFT SITE ! Do a search on PINBALL - this is the DLL (ex windows NT 4) that
> you can add to Windows 2000 or Windows XP and Windows then supports HPFS formatted
> drives the same as NTFS or FAT32.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:30:12 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

Ed Durrant schreef:

>THE MICROSOFT SITE ! Do a search on PINBALL - this is the DLL (ex windows NT 4) that
>you can add to Windows 2000 or Windows XP and Windows then supports HPFS formatted
>drives the same as NTFS or FAT32.
>  
>
I'm afraid that is a bit of an exaggeration. The pinball.sys supports up 
to 4 Giga and that's it.

Better than nothing, but I wouldn't call it "the same support". :-)

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:37:08 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
> >THE MICROSOFT SITE ! Do a search on PINBALL - this is the DLL (ex windows NT 4) that
> >you can add to Windows 2000 or Windows XP and Windows then supports HPFS formatted
> >drives the same as NTFS or FAT32.
> >
> >
> I'm afraid that is a bit of an exaggeration. The pinball.sys supports up
> to 4 Giga and that's it.
>
> Better than nothing, but I wouldn't call it "the same support". :-)
>

 Agreed, what I meant is that the partitions so supported appear to the user in the same
way as other "native" Windows file systems. The 4GB limit may be an issue nowadays I
guess, but is that not also the restriction under OS/2 and that is then one reason for
HPFS 386 or JFS ?

Thanks for whoever it was that corrected me, yes it's pinball.sys not pinball.dll.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:37:06 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

On the contary I have used the HPFS driver under NT then WinXP quite successfully.  Indeed you need to 
be careful not to use a very large partition - i use around 2GB but I think you can use up to 4gb.

I first used the NT HPFS setup package available on Hobbes - it copies pinball.sys for you.  Then you use 
the updated HPFS_Wk2 package also from hobbes which patches the pinabll.sys to work under Win2k and 
WinXP - the original one from NT 3.5 doesnt work.

So far so good - I have being using it for a couple of years now and never lost data!!.  At least it is preferable 
to using a FAT16 partition to share files - although I now find FAT32 to be better to share a partition.

My 2 cents worth.

David

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:55:29 +1000, Robert Traynor . (BobT) wrote:

>Ed,
>
>In the name of accuracy:-
>A search of microsoft via google for "pinball" only returns 3 hits for games.
>
>The name of the file you refer to is PINBALL.SYS and NOT a
>DLL file.
>
>
>For those of a suicidal nature, have a look at:-
>
>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/hpfs_w2k.zip
>
>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/hpfs_nt4.zip
>
>From a readme;-
>-------------
>Copy pinball.sys from your NT 3.5x CD-ROM to x:\winnt\system32\drivers.
>Substitute x: for your own drive letter and winnt for your
>Windows NT directory.
>
>Then  use hpfs_nt.exe, a  freeware program from WarpSpeed Software,  
>which will setup all your registry entries.
>-------------
>
>Also, I think there are caveats on the use of this driver.
>
>From memory, I think the HPFS  partition size was critical when
>it got beyond a certain size.  A lot of people in the early
>days, could not get it to work after win2k and some claimed
>HPFS file system corruption.
>
>Personally, I would NOT try it at all.
>
>I am sure Microsoft will have ensured that the later windows
>versions (XP etc.) will NOT work with this kludge.!
>
>Don't blame me if you totally screw up your os2 HPFS partitions.
>
>Lots of luck, mate.
>
>Regards,
>Robert Traynor (BobT).
>11 August 2004   18:51
>
>
>
>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:44:37 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> Actually microsoft supply the required solution for accessing HPFS from any of their
>> 32Bit Operating systems (ie not WINDOS 9X or 3X).  I'm pretty sure it's documented ON
>> THE MICROSOFT SITE ! Do a search on PINBALL - this is the DLL (ex windows NT 4) that
>> you can add to Windows 2000 or Windows XP and Windows then supports HPFS formatted
>> drives the same as NTFS or FAT32.
>> 
>> Cheers/2
>> 
>> Ed.
>
>
>
>
>
>   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
> /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
> \_,--.x/ 
>
>

> 

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Date:  Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:50:20 +1000 (EST)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Accessing HPFS from windoze

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:37:06 +1000, David Shearer wrote:

>On the contary I have used the HPFS driver under NT then WinXP quite successfully.  Indeed you need to 
>be careful not to use a very large partition - i use around 2GB but I think you can use up to 4gb.
>
>I first used the NT HPFS setup package available on Hobbes - it copies pinball.sys for you.  Then you use 
>the updated HPFS_Wk2 package also from hobbes which patches the pinabll.sys to work under Win2k and 
>WinXP - the original one from NT 3.5 doesnt work.
>
>So far so good - I have being using it for a couple of years now and never lost data!!.  At least it is preferable 
>to using a FAT16 partition to share files - although I now find FAT32 to be better to share a partition.

I'll back this up.  I've been using the HPFS_Wk2  package under Win2000
for at least three years.  I've seen reports that it will support up to
8GB partitions, but, when I replace the drive in my laptop last year,
it didn't work.  But, I have a 2GB and a 4GB partition that are shared,
and I have no problems with them.

--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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