Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 899
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:01:10 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 26 July 2004
 Number  899
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Scanners : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
2  Re:  THUMB DRIVE : Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Scanners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Scanners : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  THUMB DRIVE : Nicholas Lysaght" <nickl at pacific dot net dot au>
6  Re:  Scanners : Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Scanners : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Scanners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Scanners : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
10  Re:  THUMB DRIVE : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
11  Re:  Scanners : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
12  Re:  Scanners : Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
13   Font Creation : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
14  Re:  Font Creation : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
15  Re:  wpsbkp and Checkini : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
16  Re:  Font Creation : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
17  Re:  Scanners : Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
18  Re:  Scanners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
19  Re:  Font Creation : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
20  Re:  Font Creation : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
21  Re:  Font Creation : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:09:00 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

Hi Peter,

Peter Jenkins wrote:
> I sent this message last week, it seems it did not get through, so I am 
> resending.
> I am in the market for a scanner with slide/negative adapter to work 
> under ecs 1.1.
> Used or new up to $300 aud
> I am having no luck with e-bay in Australia. I can buy an Epsom 1670 
> photo with adapter for about $250 new, but am not certain it will run 
> under ecs,  it seems a 1640 photo will ?
> I do not wish to pay out money if a unit *_might work_*.
> Does any one on this list know of one for sale I can buy ? used or new, 
> scsi or usb.
> I have an adaptetech scsi card installed in a Dell Optiplex GX200 P3 833 
> with 256mb DDRAM
> Can any one here help me at all,  ???

I'm in the same boat.  According to Klaus Staedtler (co-author of TAME) 
- the following Epson USB scanners will work with OS/2 - eCS:

Eposn backend:
Epson GT9700
Epson 1240
Epson 1640USB
Epson 1650
Epson 1660
Epson 640U
Epson 636U
Epson 610U
Epson 2400 PHOTO
Epson 3200 PHOTO

Snapscan backend:
Epson 1670 (1600DPI doesn't work correctly, as in original Sane for
*nix)

Of the above - 1670 seems the only one that is still available new...

Plenty of SCSI scanners will work with Sane/Tame..

Cheers,

Paul.
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:45:51 +1000
From:  Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  THUMB DRIVE

Thanks Mike, I already knew about the fat32 limitation.  I'm not that 
fussed about it.  Everything else is running perfectly, and as I 
mentioned last time, I don't have to boot with the flash drive plugged 
in.  It attatches without problem at any stage.  Since I have a version 
of OS/2 on all my machines and USB on the one machine that's not 
networked, I can format the flash drive as HPFS and use fat32 drivers to 
keep long file names from fat32 partitions if I need to.  Too easy :-).  
I'm not too sure why Nicks' seems to think it's a floppy drive though.

Cheers
G

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> If I reef out the flash drive, I get a message stating that device x 
>> (H: in my case) has been removed.  Interesting that now that the 
>> drive has been formatted thru windows, I can now reformat it as fat 
>> in eCs.  I can also format as HPFS as well with no problems.  The 
>> only thing I can think of that was different from when I tried 
>> formatting when I first got the drive, is that I did not have a 
>> lable.  Windows automatically labled the drive with the manufacturer 
>> name and this has been carried over to eCs in subsequent reformats.  
>> I can also insert the drive when ever I feel like it and it attatches 
>> ( as it should :-)  ).  I've also found that ejecting the drive now 
>> works as it should.  All in all everything is working flawlessly.
>>
>> PS. Um... yes I did get the usb updates btw ;-)  .  Did all that 
>> before I bought the flash drive.
>> PPS.  Oh yes... the driver can be tricked into thinking the flash 
>> drive is a hard drive 1. If I DON'T eject. & 2. If I boot with the 
>> drive attatched.  Some folks seem to need the drive plugged in before 
>> booting for best results.  Mmmm interesting :-)
>
>
>
> Hi Gavin,
> The following from the July 2004 VOICE may be explanatory:
>
> June 5 2004 - "Problems with fat32 and flash card" (General)
>
> That's the subject line of a recent thread in comp.os.os2.bugs 
> <http://www.os2voice dot org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0704H/comp.os.os2.bugs>. 
> This is a *strongly edited summary* of those authors' comments.
>
> "Knud" stated the problem pretty clearly:
>
>    "I have tried the new ver 0.99 of fat32.ifs in connection with my
>    cardreader. Not working!"
>
> He continued:
>
>    . . . only a problem when the card (128MiB) is formatted with FAT32.
>    FAT(12) and even NTFS is fine.
>
>    When card is inserted it is not always recognized, but by inserting
>    a FAT(12) 16MiB card in the other slot both cards are found.
>
>    F32parts.exe . . . it sees a Fat32 partition on the card, in right
>    size, LVM sees also the right size.
>
>    You cannot format, or do anything like newmbr, LVM actions. Trying
>    to access the card gives "disk is not accessible."
>
>    HPFS works just as FAT and NTFS, accessing, formating etc.
>
>    But at least my card reader has this "feature": detecting the card
>    only happens if the card is inserted, not just by "refresh removable."
>
>    First take out the card => then re-insert the card => click "refresh
>    removable. . .".
>
>    Sometimes cards are automatically detected by "refresh removable."
>    Just take out and re-insert card, I believe it happens when there is
>    no FAT32 card in. . .
>
>    Trying to use (any of) "F32STAT /FCLEAN. . ./CLEAN. . ./Dirty" gives
>    "FAT_GETVOLCLEAN failed, rc = 22"
>
>    OS is eCS 1.0. Any ideas ?
>
> Among others, David Grasser added:
>
>    . . . a common problem when trying to use removable media formatted
>    FAT32.
>
>    . . . hit and miss whether the removable media will be recognized
>    and accessible when formatted FAT32.
>
>    . . . [I've] seen a Pony Attache 256 MiB USB flash stick recognized
>    as a 8132 MiB drive by LVM. Even unformatted. . .
>
>    . . . [Is it] . . . FAT32, LVM, USBMSD.ADD, possibly the kernel, or
>    something else?
>
>    FAT32 logs show that FS_MOUNT function is not being called.
>
> Then David asked:
>
>    Why can a removable drive be accessible when formatted FAT, and not
>    FAT32 with its driver installed?
>
>    The one thing I am almost sure about is that FAT16 support is coded
>    into the kernel which may explain why FAT16 can be read when other
>    file systems fail.
>
>    Is it possible that the system thinks a removable drive should
>    always be FAT and mounts the drive as FAT, thus preventing the FAT32
>    driver from mounting with an end result that the removable drive
>    can't be read by either file system?
>
> Your Kindly Editor chips in:
>
>    With the same (and earlier) FAT32.IFS, I've seen every symptom cited
>    above, experienced all the same difficulties, . . .and more. My wife
>    and I use 16MiB-256MiB Flash media in a USB reader and "thumb"
>    drives for "sneaker-netting" large files between my Warp 4.52 and
>    her Win95 machine.
>
>    Unfortunately a card/thumb nicely functioning under Warp-eCS, once
>    passed through the Win95 gullet, often gives me trouble later. This
>    ranges from "Inaccessible drive" through inability to re-format as
>    /anything/ -- just as "Knud" reported.
>
>    Win95 and up seem to examine all removable media inserted /after/
>    booting. Each (but not WinNT?) then lightly rearranges the media MBR
>    to suit its taste. /No files need be written/ to sometimes make the
>    media unusable even to the OS that formatted it!
>
> Our solution:
> For me (Warp; eCS) --
>
>    /Always/ boot with a "thumb" already connected, or a card already in
>    the reader.
>
>    /Always/ "Refresh removable media" immediately after booting.
>
>    /Never/ physically remove media without /first/ RMB -> "Eject disk".
>    (NB: /Add'l/ to "Knud"s tip!)
>
>    NB: I do the same three things with my HPFS-formatted ZIP-disks.
>
> For her (Win95) --
>
>    /Always/ boot with a "thumb" already connected, or a card already in
>    the reader.
>
>    /Never/ format the card/thumb as FAT32, for exchanges with me.
>
>    . . . Depending on card/thumb size or maker, it may not work anyway.
>
>
>

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:19:31 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:09:00 +0930, Paul Smedley wrote:

Hi Peter and Paul.

Sorry for the top-post but it's just a quick one:
HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME 

I have a secondhand HP3C which I run on a dedicated SCSI card (Adaptec 1520
series - doesn't need to be fancy) and it works real fine.

Only limitation for me is that the scanner must be connected, on and ready at
boot time or it will not be found by Tame when I want to scan.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
________________________
 
>Hi Peter,
>
>Peter Jenkins wrote:
>> I sent this message last week, it seems it did not get through, so I am 
>> resending.
>> I am in the market for a scanner with slide/negative adapter to work 
>> under ecs 1.1.
>> Used or new up to $300 aud
>> I am having no luck with e-bay in Australia. I can buy an Epsom 1670 
>> photo with adapter for about $250 new, but am not certain it will run 
>> under ecs,  it seems a 1640 photo will ?
>> I do not wish to pay out money if a unit *_might work_*.
>> Does any one on this list know of one for sale I can buy ? used or new, 
>> scsi or usb.
>> I have an adaptetech scsi card installed in a Dell Optiplex GX200 P3 833 
>> with 256mb DDRAM
>> Can any one here help me at all,  ???
>
>I'm in the same boat.  According to Klaus Staedtler (co-author of TAME) 
>- the following Epson USB scanners will work with OS/2 - eCS:
>
>Eposn backend:
>Epson GT9700
>Epson 1240
>Epson 1640USB
>Epson 1650
>Epson 1660
>Epson 640U
>Epson 636U
>Epson 610U
>Epson 2400 PHOTO
>Epson 3200 PHOTO
>
>Snapscan backend:
>Epson 1670 (1600DPI doesn't work correctly, as in original Sane for
>*nix)
>
>Of the above - 1670 seems the only one that is still available new...
>
>Plenty of SCSI scanners will work with Sane/Tame..
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul.

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:46:34 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

John Angelico said:

> HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME
> I have a secondhand HP3C which I run on a dedicated SCSI card (Adaptec
> 1520
> series - doesn't need to be fancy) and it works real fine.
> Only limitation for me is that the scanner must be connected, on and ready
> at
> boot time or it will not be found by Tame when I want to scan.

that was *always* one constant in OS/2 scanning: every single scanning
utility worked with HP scanners and every HP scanner worked with OS/2

of course, that was in the days when all HP scanners were SCSI scanners
made by HP (I believe they're badge engineered now)

I use a couple of HP scanners from 2p to 3c.

couple of weeks ago, I saw a HP2p *with* ADF, the guy wanted $30, bought
it just in case

i think there used to be a trannie adapter for the 3c series ?

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:51:02 -0000
From:  "Nicholas Lysaght" <nickl at pacific dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  THUMB DRIVE

In response to a message sent 2004-07-26 09:45:51 +1000 (Mon) by "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au> about Re:  THUMB DRIVE:

Hi All.

> Thanks Mike, I already knew about the fat32 limitation.  I'm not that
> fussed about it.  Everything else is running perfectly, and as I
> mentioned last time, I don't have to boot with the flash drive plugged
> in.  It attatches without problem at any stage.  Since I have a version
> of OS/2 on all my machines and USB on the one machine that's not
> networked, I can format the flash drive as HPFS and use fat32 drivers to
> keep long file names from fat32 partitions if I need to.  Too easy :-).
> I'm not too sure why Nicks' seems to think it's a floppy drive though.

When I had the "floppy drive" problem with my zips, back in FP14-15, yes, the same thing happened...if the drive was left in the machine, said machine rebooted (warm), it came up as a hard drive. Only way to retrieve it was to shut down properly, remove the disk, allow the main system to CHKDSK itself, then when all activity had stopped, re-insert the disk. Then, all the data on the disk had gone, and it was a 1.44 floppy. Thank goodness we've come a long way since then :-)

But if you think we have problems...(I know this is way off topic)...took this Astone Thumb Drive to a friend who runs W98SE...needless to say it needs a special driver. It ended up seeing the Thumb Drive as a re-writable CD-ROM!! 

Wouldn't be dead for quids <LOL>.
>
> Cheers
> G
>
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
> > Gavin Miller wrote:
> >
> >> If I reef out the flash drive, I get a message stating that device x
> >> (H: in my case) has been removed.  Interesting that now that the
> >> drive has been formatted thru windows, I can now reformat it as fat
> >> in eCs.  I can also format as HPFS as well with no problems.  The
> >> only thing I can think of that was different from when I tried
> >> formatting when I first got the drive, is that I did not have a
> >> lable.  Windows automatically labled the drive with the manufacturer
> >> name and this has been carried over to eCs in subsequent reformats.
> >> I can also insert the drive when ever I feel like it and it attatches
> >> ( as it should :-)  ).  I've also found that ejecting the drive now
> >> works as it should.  All in all everything is working flawlessly.
> >>
> >> PS. Um... yes I did get the usb updates btw ;-)  .  Did all that
> >> before I bought the flash drive.
> >> PPS.  Oh yes... the driver can be tricked into thinking the flash
> >> drive is a hard drive 1. If I DON'T eject. & 2. If I boot with the
> >> drive attatched.  Some folks seem to need the drive plugged in before
> >> booting for best results.  Mmmm interesting :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Gavin,
> > The following from the July 2004 VOICE may be explanatory:
> >
> > June 5 2004 - "Problems with fat32 and flash card" (General)
> >
> > That's the subject line of a recent thread in comp.os.os2.bugs
> > <http://www.os2voice dot org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0704H/comp.os.os2.bugs>.
> > This is a *strongly edited summary* of those authors' comments.
> >
> > "Knud" stated the problem pretty clearly:
> >
> >    "I have tried the new ver 0.99 of fat32.ifs in connection with my
> >    cardreader. Not working!"
> >
> > He continued:
> >
> >    . . . only a problem when the card (128MiB) is formatted with FAT32.
> >    FAT(12) and even NTFS is fine.
> >
> >    When card is inserted it is not always recognized, but by inserting
> >    a FAT(12) 16MiB card in the other slot both cards are found.
> >
> >    F32parts.exe . . . it sees a Fat32 partition on the card, in right
> >    size, LVM sees also the right size.
> >
> >    You cannot format, or do anything like newmbr, LVM actions. Trying
> >    to access the card gives "disk is not accessible."
> >
> >    HPFS works just as FAT and NTFS, accessing, formating etc.
> >
> >    But at least my card reader has this "feature": detecting the card
> >    only happens if the card is inserted, not just by "refresh
> removable."
> >
> >    First take out the card => then re-insert the card => click "refresh
> >    removable. . .".
> >
> >    Sometimes cards are automatically detected by "refresh removable."
> >    Just take out and re-insert card, I believe it happens when there is
> >    no FAT32 card in. . .
> >
> >    Trying to use (any of) "F32STAT /FCLEAN. . ./CLEAN. . ./Dirty" gives
> >    "FAT_GETVOLCLEAN failed, rc = 22"
> >
> >    OS is eCS 1.0. Any ideas ?
> >
> > Among others, David Grasser added:
> >
> >    . . . a common problem when trying to use removable media formatted
> >    FAT32.
> >
> >    . . . hit and miss whether the removable media will be recognized
> >    and accessible when formatted FAT32.
> >
> >    . . . [I've] seen a Pony Attache 256 MiB USB flash stick recognized
> >    as a 8132 MiB drive by LVM. Even unformatted. . .
> >
> >    . . . [Is it] . . . FAT32, LVM, USBMSD.ADD, possibly the kernel, or
> >    something else?
> >
> >    FAT32 logs show that FS_MOUNT function is not being called.
> >
> > Then David asked:
> >
> >    Why can a removable drive be accessible when formatted FAT, and not
> >    FAT32 with its driver installed?
> >
> >    The one thing I am almost sure about is that FAT16 support is coded
> >    into the kernel which may explain why FAT16 can be read when other
> >    file systems fail.
> >
> >    Is it possible that the system thinks a removable drive should
> >    always be FAT and mounts the drive as FAT, thus preventing the FAT32
> >    driver from mounting with an end result that the removable drive
> >    can't be read by either file system?
> >
> > Your Kindly Editor chips in:
> >
> >    With the same (and earlier) FAT32.IFS, I've seen every symptom cited
> >    above, experienced all the same difficulties, . . .and more. My wife
> >    and I use 16MiB-256MiB Flash media in a USB reader and "thumb"
> >    drives for "sneaker-netting" large files between my Warp 4.52 and
> >    her Win95 machine.
> >
> >    Unfortunately a card/thumb nicely functioning under Warp-eCS, once
> >    passed through the Win95 gullet, often gives me trouble later. This
> >    ranges from "Inaccessible drive" through inability to re-format as
> >    /anything/ -- just as "Knud" reported.
> >
> >    Win95 and up seem to examine all removable media inserted /after/
> >    booting. Each (but not WinNT?) then lightly rearranges the media MBR
> >    to suit its taste. /No files need be written/ to sometimes make the
> >    media unusable even to the OS that formatted it!
> >
> > Our solution:
> > For me (Warp; eCS) --
> >
> >    /Always/ boot with a "thumb" already connected, or a card already in
> >    the reader.
> >
> >    /Always/ "Refresh removable media" immediately after booting.
> >
> >    /Never/ physically remove media without /first/ RMB -> "Eject disk".
> >    (NB: /Add'l/ to "Knud"s tip!)
> >
> >    NB: I do the same three things with my HPFS-formatted ZIP-disks.
> >
> > For her (Win95) --
> >
> >    /Always/ boot with a "thumb" already connected, or a card already in
> >    the reader.
> >
> >    /Never/ format the card/thumb as FAT32, for exchanges with me.
> >
> >    . . . Depending on card/thumb size or maker, it may not work anyway.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
>  

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:48:21 +1000
From:  Dennis Nolan <dennik at swiftdsl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

John Angelico wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:09:00 +0930, Paul Smedley wrote:
>
>Hi Peter and Paul.
>
>Sorry for the top-post but it's just a quick one:
>HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME 
>
>I have a secondhand HP3C which I run on a dedicated SCSI card (Adaptec 1520
>series - doesn't need to be fancy) and it works real fine.
>
>Only limitation for me is that the scanner must be connected, on and ready at
>boot time or it will not be found by Tame when I want to scan.
>
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>OS/2 SIG
>talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>________________________
> 
>  
>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>Peter Jenkins wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>I sent this message last week, it seems it did not get through, so I am 
>>>resending.
>>>I am in the market for a scanner with slide/negative adapter to work 
>>>under ecs 1.1.
>>>Used or new up to $300 aud
>>>I am having no luck with e-bay in Australia. I can buy an Epsom 1670 
>>>photo with adapter for about $250 new, but am not certain it will run 
>>>under ecs,  it seems a 1640 photo will ?
>>>I do not wish to pay out money if a unit *_might work_*.
>>>Does any one on this list know of one for sale I can buy ? used or new, 
>>>scsi or usb.
>>>I have an adaptetech scsi card installed in a Dell Optiplex GX200 P3 833 
>>>with 256mb DDRAM
>>>Can any one here help me at all,  ???
>>>      
>>>
>>I'm in the same boat.  According to Klaus Staedtler (co-author of TAME) 
>>- the following Epson USB scanners will work with OS/2 - eCS:
>>
>>Eposn backend:
>>Epson GT9700
>>Epson 1240
>>Epson 1640USB
>>Epson 1650
>>Epson 1660
>>Epson 640U
>>Epson 636U
>>Epson 610U
>>Epson 2400 PHOTO
>>Epson 3200 PHOTO
>>
>>Snapscan backend:
>>Epson 1670 (1600DPI doesn't work correctly, as in original Sane for
>>*nix)
>>
>>Of the above - 1670 seems the only one that is still available new...
>>
>>Plenty of SCSI scanners will work with Sane/Tame..
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Paul.
>>    
>>
>
>

> 

>
>
>  
>
Hi all,

I think it is actually a SCSI limitation, SCSI looks for connected 
devices when initialising.

But after boot up, I beleive that the scanner can be switched off, and 
when switched on again it is ready to go.

Regards

Dennis.
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:20:18 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

Dennis Nolan said:

> I think it is actually a SCSI limitation, SCSI looks for connected
> devices when initialising.
> But after boot up, I beleive that the scanner can be switched off, and
> when switched on again it is ready to go.

yes, it's a SCSI requiremet

generally, yes, it does re-latch to the scanner, though, sometimes, I need
to prompt it twice b4 it sees scannerafter power off/on cycle

now, for some reason, on my 'no SCSI HD, only SCSI scanner/CDRW' system,
CopyShop will not see the scanner, until I prompt the scanner with
Galleria

also, ahem, if it';s not too much to ask:

can we be somewhat more selective, and, not quote *entire* mssg umpteen
times, pls ?

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:45:07 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:20:18 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

Hi Voytek and Dennis

>
>Dennis Nolan said:
>
>> I think it is actually a SCSI limitation, SCSI looks for connected
>> devices when initialising.
>> But after boot up, I beleive that the scanner can be switched off, and
>> when switched on again it is ready to go.
>
>
>yes, it's a SCSI requiremet

Oh. So have I been wasting my time searching for a special SCSI command to do
that initial search AFTER boot?

>
>generally, yes, it does re-latch to the scanner, though, sometimes, I need
>to prompt it twice b4 it sees scannerafter power off/on cycle
>
>now, for some reason, on my 'no SCSI HD, only SCSI scanner/CDRW' system,
>CopyShop will not see the scanner, until I prompt the scanner with
>Galleria

Could CopyShop not have such a command to reconnect, whereas Galleria does
have it?

>
>also, ahem, if it';s not too much to ask:

No it's not too much...<g>

>
>can we be somewhat more selective, and, not quote *entire* mssg umpteen
>times, pls ?

It was to help with Peter and Paul advertising their requirements for a
scanner...

But in future I will try harder, yes <GD&R>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:30:22 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>CopyShop will not see the scanner, until I prompt the scanner with
>Galleria
>
>  
>
What's Galleria?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:33:01 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  THUMB DRIVE

Nicholas Lysaght schreef:

>seeing the Thumb Drive as a re-writable CD-ROM!! 
>
>Wouldn't be dead for quids <LOL>.
>  
>

Yep, we wouldn't, but nevertheless we would like a bit more of proper 
quoting and trimming of messages. :-)

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:06:40
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:30:22 +0200

> What's Galleria?

it used to be a very nifty image viewer from Steven Best/Bitware,
sort of basic PMView
it has nifty basic rectangular image editing, including 'merge' function

e.g, I just received a couple of postcard, with Galleria, I scanned both
sides, made a dummy file 4 * height of the scan, then merged the images via
clipboard into a single image file.

it was probably one of the very 1st image utilities I've used with OS/2,
and, I still use it

it also supports scanning with HPs, using it's own driver (or a third party
driver)

with the present OS/2 vide drivers, it started 'stuffing up' the background
outide of the actual image area, printing through desktop.

sadly, and developement stopped few years ago

(fwiw, last time I spoke to Steven, he was coding stuff for Palm devices)

---
This update adds usable support for scanning from HP ScanJet scanners
(when attached to an OS/2 supported SCSI adapter). See the README.DOC in
the Galleria 2.14 package for info on driver installation.

Supported scanning features include:

   o monochrome, grayscale and color modes
   o sharpen option for grayscale and color
   o selectable resolution from 12 to 1600 dpi
   o brightness and contrast adjustment
   o selection of partial scanning region
   o scan preview display
   o multithreaded operation

Please direct any comments or problem reports to id 100033,340 on the
CompuServe OS2AVEN forum, section 1.

Stephen Best
20 January, 1995

Bitware Australia Pty. Ltd.
P.O. Box 3097
Manuka  A.C.T.  2603
Australia

                           Galleria and Galleria/CM
                           ------------------------

                         Version 2.31 - July 18, 1996

DESCRIPTION:

   Galleria and Galleria/CM together provide a sophisticated yet easy to
   use environment for the display, editing, printing, conversion, scanning
   and capture of bitmapped images for 32-bit Intel-based systems using IBM
   OS/2 2.1, 2.11, Warp 3.0, Warp Connect or OS/2 for Windows. Both are
   high-performance tools which exploit OS/2 features such as large memory
   space and multiple threads. As Presentation Manager applications, they
   feature ease of use and full interoperability with other applications on
   the desktop.

   Galleria is general purpose tool for the management of bitmapped images.
   It provides a window for the display of images at varying resolutions
   on all OS/2-supported display subsystems (up to 24-bit). Images can be
   read from the OS/2 clipboard or from disk in numerous formats. Direct
   support is provided for input from HP ScanJet desktop scanners. Once
   loaded, the displayed image can be edited (cropped, resized, rotated
   etc.) and converted to monochrome or grayscale. The modified image can be
   transferred to other applications via the clipboard or saved on disk in a
   different format. Monochrome or color printed output can also be
   generated.

   Galleria reads and writes common bitmap file formats including BMP, GIF,
   JPEG, PCX, PNG, Targa, TIFF and WPG, plus OS/2 metafiles. Full support is
   provided for the import of Kodak Photo CD and Pro Photo CD images.

   Additional features include drag/drop support, a browse facility with
   saved thumbnails, a file search function, multi-level undo/redo, filters,
   the ability to create saved lists for screen shows, a floating zoom
   window and limited DDE capability.

   Galleria/CM (Capture Module) can take a snapshot of the current OS/2
   desktop contents and copy the resultant image to the clipboard, disk or
   printer. Galleria can also be invoked automatically for post-processing
   of the captured image. An options dialog enables selection of either the
   full desktop, window or region for the capture.

   Galleria/CM operations can be controlled from either an icon on the
   desktop or the keyboard (with the Print Screen key).

   Online manuals for both Galleria and Galleria/CM are provided as part of
   the package.

SOFTWARE/HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS:

   Minimum:

     o IBM OS/2 2.1, 2.11, Warp 3.0, Warp Connect or OS/2 for Windows
     o 386SX
     o 6MB total memory
     o VGA, SVGA or XGA card with appropriate display driver
     o Mouse
     o 800KB free disk space

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:50:51 +0930
From:  Paul Smedley <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

Hi John,

John Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:09:00 +0930, Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter and Paul.
> 
> Sorry for the top-post but it's just a quick one:
> HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME 
> 

Correction - _OLD_ HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME :)

Tried finding a recent scanner with decent transparency support that 
still uses SCSI?  Tried finding ANY recent scanner that supports SCSI - 
that an end-user can afford that is :P

Cheers,

Paul
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:39:58 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Font Creation

Hi all!

Saw this article by Helen Bradley in Monday's Age newspaper (Melbourne).

http://www.theage dot com dot au/articles/2004/07/23/1090464851282.html
"There are plenty of programs but Font Creator from High-Logic
<http://www.high-logic dot com/> is easy-to-use shareware and offers a free
30-day trial. Download and install this program and very quickly you can have
a font
of your own."

Helen then gives a rundown on how to create a font of your own handwriting -
a dangerous idea that I would never contemplate!

As expected, Font Creator requirements are for Win95 or NT4 + SP3, although
the results are usable on anything with Type 2 support ie. it creates and
edits True-Type Font (TTF) files. 
 
However, her article got me thinking: is there anything in the OS/2 world for
creating fonts?

Although the font world talks about an "OS/2" page, this seems to have
nothing currently relevant to our favourite OS, it seems to be something
about fot metrics.

I have found the Linux FontForge at http://fontforge.sourceforge dot net/ with
many links to the FOSS-world but nothing at os2site dot com or hobbes.

Anybody got any ideas?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:49:25 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Font Creation

John Angelico said:

> However, her article got me thinking: is there anything in the OS/2 world
> for
> creating fonts?

(not sure you can create with FF )
Cliff Cullum's FontFolder ?

FontFolder

FontFolder is a shareware native OS/2 Font Manager that allows you to
easily use large collections of Type 1 fonts in OS/2 without bogging down
the system or generating hopelessly long font selection lists in
applications. You can have rapid access to hundreds or even thousands of
fonts while keeping only a small number actually installed in OS/2 at any
time.
-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:23:07 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  wpsbkp and Checkini

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:47:33 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>>Do you not have a start folder template in the template's dir?
>>
>>  
>>
>No. Do you have one?

No, I don't, sorry.

I got mixed up with the WP_STARTUP folder type when creating objects (which
is how we do it programatically).

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9307-0344   Internet:   chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
FAX:    +61-3-9307-0633   Web Page:   http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au
Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 212, Brunswick, VIC 3056, AUSTRALIA

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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:54:25 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Font Creation

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>John Angelico said:
>
>  
>
>>However, her article got me thinking: is there anything in the OS/2 world
>>for
>>creating fonts?
>>    
>>
>
>
>(not sure you can create with FF )
>Cliff Cullum's FontFolder ?
>
>  
>
No you can't. It's only for installing fonts and maintenance of 
installed fonts. A must have though imho.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:03:58 -0300
From:  "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

In <0040800870.00000DVK at [192.168.0.3]>, on 07/26/04 at 11:19 AM,
   "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> said:

>Sorry for the top-post but it's just a quick one:
>HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME 

>I have a secondhand HP3C which I run on a dedicated SCSI card (Adaptec
>1520 series - doesn't need to be fancy) and it works real fine.

Yes, I have an HP 5P which works well with Tame/Sane as well as the long
defunct CopyShop/2.  I recently bought an HP Scanjet 7490C.  This is not a
real Scanjet despite the name.  Its a rebadged Mustek Avision, but it
works with the Avision Sane backend.  But it is one of the few SCSI
scanners still around, and it has a 8.5inch x 14inch bed.  Its also USB
but that doesn't work with OS/2 (of course it works fine with XP).  The
scanner works, but the quality of the scans so far is pretty poor.  Color
scans have a red to blue shifting hue.  Black and white scans have thin
vertical lines instead of the white background.  Hopefully I can get some
time to work with the Sane developers to improve this.  Also the ADF and
transparency adapter don't work with Tame/Sane.  

Mark

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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:51:58 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Scanners

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:50:51 +0930, Paul Smedley wrote:

>Hi John,

Pardon my igorance(!) Paul.

>
>John Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:09:00 +0930, Paul Smedley wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter and Paul.
>> 
>> Sorry for the top-post but it's just a quick one:
>> HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME 
>> 
>
>Correction - _OLD_ HP scanners work real well with SANE/TAME :)

Yes.

>
>Tried finding a recent scanner with decent transparency support that 
>still uses SCSI?  Tried finding ANY recent scanner that supports SCSI - 
>that an end-user can afford that is :P

No - cause of my angst over scanners earlier this year. However, I find it
hard to believe that *modern* scanners can offer quality for the sort of
prices being shown in OfficeWorks, TrickyDicky or Tandy these days. 

>Cheers,

Sckol! <g>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:03:59 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Font Creation

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:54:25 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
>Voytek Eymont schreef:
>
>>John Angelico said:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>However, her article got me thinking: is there anything in the OS/2 world
>>>for
>>>creating fonts?
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>
>>(not sure you can create with FF )
>>Cliff Cullum's FontFolder ?
>>
>>  
>>
>No you can't. It's only for installing fonts and maintenance of 
>installed fonts. A must have though imho.

Exactly!

I already have it and it is INDISPENSIBLE!  Did someone say "cold, dead
fingers..." ? <g>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:10:09 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Font Creation

Kris Steenhaut said:

>>(not sure you can create with FF )
>>Cliff Cullum's FontFolder ?
> No you can't. It's only for installing fonts and maintenance of
> installed fonts. A must have though imho.

Kris,

but any windoze Adobe Type 1 font can be used with OS/2, no ?
can TT fonts be used ?

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:26:33 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Font Creation

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:10:09 +1000 (EST), Voytek Eymont wrote:

Hey Voytek.

>
>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>>>(not sure you can create with FF )
>>>Cliff Cullum's FontFolder ?
>> No you can't. It's only for installing fonts and maintenance of
>> installed fonts. A must have though imho.
>
>Kris,
>
>but any windoze Adobe Type 1 font can be used with OS/2, no ?
>can TT fonts be used ?

Yes, but how about you get v3.0A it from www.os2site dot com at 
http://www.os2site dot com/sw/graphics/fonts/fntf30a.zip

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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