Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 880
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:01:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 29 June 2004
 Number  880
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Subjects for today
 
1   Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
2  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
3  Re:  Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
6  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
7  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
11   java 1.x ?Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
12   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-       Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
13   Java plugin woes, was Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
14  Re:  java 1.x ?Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
15  Re:  SBT Information Systems?? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
16  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-       Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
17  Re:  Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
18  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
19  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
20  Re:  Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
21  Re:  Java plugin woes, was Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
22   From the Australian Financial Review : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
23  Re:  java 1.x ?Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
24  Re:  Java plugin woes, was Re:  Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
25  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
26  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:25:17 -0400
From:  Chris_neeson <Chris_Neeson at compuserve dot com>
Subject:   Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?

Is there a Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?

( I've been reading the threads about
  Flash 7a for mozilla, and now Most stable Browser,
  and it occurs to me that I might - MIGHT - be able
  to get a Flash player for Netscape 4.61 )

Regards
Chris

---------- Ed emailed ------------

Hi,

   I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM
Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of
Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a
browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to
even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end
it's operation.

  I'm actually seriously considering changing my default
browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3.

  I wonder what other people's experiences have been. I
haven't tried the separated out Firebird browser, is it more
or less stable than the complete Mozilla package ??

   Cheers/2

     Ed.
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**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:26:58 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Ed Durrant schreef:

>Hi,
>
>   I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM
>Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of
>Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a
>browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to
>even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end
>it's operation.
>
>  I'm actually seriously considering changing my default
>browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3.
>
>  I wonder what other people's experiences have been.
>
ns461 always will interfere one way or another. I guess that's why John 
has problems with the new Flash.
So, imho you better bit the bullet and remove ns461 entirely.

Mozilla runs here ultra stable since 1.4.1 (I've removed the ns461 
consequently). Incidentally, os2web 2.03 is nothing more than  mozilla16 
in disguise.  There is already a stable  mozilla 1.7  GA,  and that's 
the one I would like to recommend.

Also, imho it is mandatory to have these entries in the config.sys:

REM Mozzarella

SET MOZ_BIN=E:\Mozzarella
SET Mozilla_home=C:\Internet\Gebruikers
SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers
SET MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
SET LIBPATHSTRICT=T

and having set the  system according to these entries (according to your 
own directories of course). Advantage of such a setup is you don't need 
any entry nor in the libpath nor in the path.
Prior to the install, put these entries in the config and reboot.

---

Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:20:52 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?

Unfortunately, reading the Innotek website, it appears their Flash 5 player is only
for Mozilla / IBM Web Browser, not Netscape 4.61.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Chris_neeson wrote:

> Is there a Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?
>
> ( I've been reading the threads about
>   Flash 7a for mozilla, and now Most stable Browser,
>   and it occurs to me that I might - MIGHT - be able
>   to get a Flash player for Netscape 4.61 )
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
> ---------- Ed emailed ------------
>
> Hi,
>
>    I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM
> Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of
> Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a
> browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to
> even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end
> it's operation.
>
>   I'm actually seriously considering changing my default
> browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3.
>
>   I wonder what other people's experiences have been. I
> haven't tried the separated out Firebird browser, is it more
> or less stable than the complete Mozilla package ??
>
>    Cheers/2
>
>      Ed.

>  
> ===========================================

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:24:14 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Thanks for your comments Kris. I realise that IBM WB is Moz 1.6 however comparing it
to Moz1.7 which I also have installed, I find IBMWB more stable.

OK on the Config statements - what happens when (as I do) I have both Moz and IBMWB
installed do both reference the same directories ? (I guess so).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >   I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM
> >Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of
> >Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a
> >browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to
> >even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end
> >it's operation.
> >
> >  I'm actually seriously considering changing my default
> >browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3.
> >
> >  I wonder what other people's experiences have been.
> >
> ns461 always will interfere one way or another. I guess that's why John
> has problems with the new Flash.
> So, imho you better bit the bullet and remove ns461 entirely.
>
> Mozilla runs here ultra stable since 1.4.1 (I've removed the ns461
> consequently). Incidentally, os2web 2.03 is nothing more than  mozilla16
> in disguise.  There is already a stable  mozilla 1.7  GA,  and that's
> the one I would like to recommend.
>
> Also, imho it is mandatory to have these entries in the config.sys:
>
> REM Mozzarella
>
> SET MOZ_BIN=E:\Mozzarella
> SET Mozilla_home=C:\Internet\Gebruikers
> SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers
> SET MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
> SET LIBPATHSTRICT=T
>
> and having set the  system according to these entries (according to your
> own directories of course). Advantage of such a setup is you don't need
> any entry nor in the libpath nor in the path.
> Prior to the install, put these entries in the config and reboot.
>
> ---
>
> Groeten uit Gent,
>
>    Kris
>

>  

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**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:14:02 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?

Ed Durrant schreef:

>Unfortunately, reading the Innotek website, it appears their Flash 5 player is only
>for Mozilla / IBM Web Browser, not Netscape 4.61.
>
>  
>
I had it working in ns461 (when I was still on sn461). Moreover, when it 
was released mozilla even didn't exist yet.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:30:45 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Ed Durrant schreef:

>Thanks for your comments Kris. I realise that IBM WB is Moz 1.6 however comparing it
>to Moz1.7 which I also have installed, I find IBMWB more stable.
>
>OK on the Config statements - what happens when (as I do) I have both Moz and IBMWB
>installed do both reference the same directories ? (I guess so).
>
>  
>
IBMweb has the bad habit to put entries in path and libpath. If you want 
to use both, is is mandatory to remove these entries and reboot.

Also, both ibmweb and mozilla have their own entries in the file os2.ini 
.. In order to have a mozilla right, you have to run once an installer 
file (mozilla*.exe, creates then the entries, in the same matter ibmweb 
does). So, check your os2.ini file with Unimaint or another editor.

Once you'll have these things right, you'll be able to remember ns461 as 
a nightmare of the past. And mozilla 1.7 will be rock stable.

http://ftp.mozilla dot org/pub/mozilla dot org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.7/contrib/mozilla-os2-1.7-installer.exe

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:13:29 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Kris Steenhaut said:

> Once you'll have these things right, you'll be able to remember ns461 as
> a nightmare of the past. And mozilla 1.7 will be rock stable.

yes. ns461 was good, when there was nothing else around, but, just isn't
standard compliant. I relaized that when an OS/2 site told me: your
browser won't work here. I've used Mozilla and Phoenix/Firesomething ever
since.

both Mozilla and Firesomething are as solid as they come

(now, if I could only work out how to make the Java plugin work...)

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:36:52 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>  
>
>>Once you'll have these things right, you'll be able to remember ns461 as
>>a nightmare of the past. And mozilla 1.7 will be rock stable.
>>    
>>
>
>yes. ns461 was good, when there was nothing else around, but, just isn't
>standard compliant. I relaized that when an OS/2 site told me: your
>browser won't work here. I've used Mozilla and Phoenix/Firesomething ever
>since.
>
>both Mozilla and Firesomething are as solid as they come
>
>(now, if I could only work out how to make the Java plugin work...)
>
>
>  
>
The Innotek one or the IBM one?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:47:56 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Kris Steenhaut said:

> The Innotek one or the IBM one?

Kris,

at this time, I'd like to 'activate' the 'built-in' IBM's OS/2 Java,
preferably, with Firesomething, as well as, Mozzarella.

someone already posted the cookbook for Innotek's, I'll try that if/after
I fail this one

I have:

1[roman][E:\]java -version
java version "1.3.0"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0)
Classic VM (build 1.3.0, J2RE 1.3.0 IBM build co130-20010925 (JIT enabled:
jitc)
)

0[roman][E:\]java13 -version
java version "1.3.1"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1)
Classic VM (build 1.3.1, J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 (JIT enabled:
jitc)
)

0[roman][E:\]jre -d

JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20010426 (JIT enabled: javax )

Runtime Settings:
 javaHome   = E:\JAVA11
 runtimeLib = E:\JAVA11\dll\javai.dll
 version    = 1.1.8
 compiler   = enabled: javax

I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ?

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:15:10 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>  
>
>>The Innotek one or the IBM one?
>>    
>>
>
>Kris,
>
>at this time, I'd like to 'activate' the 'built-in' IBM's OS/2 Java,
>  
>
Simple comme bonjour, just copy the file npoji6.dll to the plugins 
directory.

>preferably, with Firesomething, as well as, Mozzarella.
>
>  
>
Firesomething + mozilla hasn't much of sense.

Or you take mozilla, or you take firesomething + thundersomething.

As mozilla 17 is the stable one, I would make it myself comfortable and 
keep it just by this one.

>someone already posted the cookbook for Innotek's, I'll try that if/after
>I fail this one
>
>  
>
There is no reason to fail.

>I have:
>
>1[roman][E:\]java -version
>java version "1.3.0"
>Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0)
>Classic VM (build 1.3.0, J2RE 1.3.0 IBM build co130-20010925 (JIT enabled:
>jitc)
>)
>
>0[roman][E:\]java13 -version
>java version "1.3.1"
>Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1)
>Classic VM (build 1.3.1, J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 (JIT enabled:
>jitc)
>)
>
>0[roman][E:\]jre -d
>
>JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20010426 (JIT enabled: javax )
>
>Runtime Settings:
> javaHome   = E:\JAVA11
> runtimeLib = E:\JAVA11\dll\javai.dll
> version    = 1.1.8
> compiler   = enabled: javax
>
>I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ?
>
>  
>
Indeed, and java11 as well.

It is already hard enough. Don't keep different versions of teh same, 
don't keep outdated program trees as java11.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:22:09 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:   java 1.x ?Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Kris Steenhaut said:

>>I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ?

> Indeed, and java11 as well.
>
> It is already hard enough. Don't keep different versions of teh same,
> don't keep outdated program trees as java11.
-----------------------

Kris,

I was under impression some of the 'old' java was needed for the built -in
java-gui config utilities ....? like tcpcfg2 ?

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:11:11 +1000
From:  Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
Subject:   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-       Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates

I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page

Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print 
preview.

Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not 
wrapped.

System:  NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5

So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser.

Regards

Dennis.

[attachments have been removed]
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**= Email   13 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:51:32 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:   Java plugin woes, was Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Kris Steenhaut said:

> Simple comme bonjour, just copy the file npoji6.dll to the plugins
> directory.

Kris,

I've zipped up both old java trees;

LIBPATH has, amonsts others:

F:\JAVA131\JRE\DLL;

PATH has, amongst others:

F:\java131\jre\bin;

CLASSPATH has:

SET
CLASSPATH=.\.;E:\OS2\JAVAAPPS\LVMGUI.ZIP;E:\TCPIP\java;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SRIP.JAR;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SGUIDE.ZIP;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\CSSGKEY.JAR;

there are no other references to java in config

I have exploded the F:\java131\ns]mzplugin.exe
and, copied the dll:

0[roman][F:\java131\ns]dir *.dll

The volume label in drive F is JFSData.
The Volume Serial Number is 13E5:85C1.
Directory of F:\java131\ns

02-07-10   7:16     279790           0  npoji6.dll

to 0[roman][F:\mozilla dot org\mozilla\plugins]dir npoji6.dll

The volume label in drive F is JFSData.
The Volume Serial Number is 13E5:85C1.
Directory of F:\mozilla dot org\mozilla\plugins

02-07-10   7:16     279790           0  npoji6.dll
        1 file(s)     279790 bytes used
(I've also tried to run the two CMDs,

0[roman][F:\java131\ns]insmzplg.cmd

0[roman][F:\java131\ns]clifi  /a:c /b:c: /s:f:\java131\ns  /r:mzfiles.rsp
/r2:mz
user.rsp /l1:error.log /l2:history.log

-512[roman][F:\java131\ns]

0[roman][F:\java131\ns]mzcheck2.cmd
    12 +++   Whatbrowser = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid,
'{JAVA131MZFiles:M
ZDRV}', 0);
REX0040: Error 40 running F:\java131\ns\mzcheck2.cmd, line 12: Incorrect call
to routine

I then restarted both the system, (and Mozilla), but, still no luck

aboutplugin shows:
---------------------
BM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710
    File name: npoji6.dll
    Java Plug-in 1.3.1 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)
MIME Type 	Description 	Suffixes 	Enabled
application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.3.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.3.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.3.0_01 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.3.0_01 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-vm/java-applet 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-vm 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 	OJI Plug-in 	* 	Yes
-------

I have these SETS:

0[roman][F:\java131\ns]set |grep MOZ
MOZ_BIN=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla
MOZILLA_HOME=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla
MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla\plugins
MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1

andm my panorama still refuses to load, telling me I need Java plugin:
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/panorama.html

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:52:43 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  java 1.x ?Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Voytek Eymont said:

> Kris,
>
> I was under impression some of the 'old' java was needed for the built -in
> java-gui config utilities ....? like tcpcfg2 ?

seems I was wrong, tcpcfg2 still works

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:00:18 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SBT Information Systems??

John Angelico said:
> Hi all.
>
> Anyone know what has become of <subj> company?
>
> They used to be in Chippendale (Sydney, NSW) and were distributors of OS/2
> s/w including the Sundial range.

still are in Chippendale
still are distributors of OS/2..

>
> Web site http://www.sbt dot net dot au/sbt/ still functions but is very out of
> date.

a little bit out of date
hmmm, perhaps we should view it as shrine to OS/2 apps at their peak ...
the danger is, If I remove all the old bits, there might not be much left....

> As an expanding user of spreadsheets, I am a willing buyer of Sundial s/w
> licence for Mesa, and looking to support an Oz operation.

-- 
Voytek
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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:41:31 +1000
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-       Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates

Dennis

IE has always truncated the text whenever I have tried printing from it. 
That is with NT4, w2k and winxp.  I find printing from IE basically 
useless for most sites.

I tried the RBA site and besides the printing of the header on the first 
page and then printing the text on the second page, both prints worked fine.

I am using Mozilla 1.7 (Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7) 
Gecko/20040617)

regards
Ken

Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:

>I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page
>
>Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print 
>preview.
>
>Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not 
>wrapped.
>
>System:  NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5
>
>So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser.
>
>Regards
>
>Dennis.
>
>[attachments have been removed]

> 

>
>
>  
>

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**= Email   17 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:59:40 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:25:17 -0400, Chris_neeson wrote:

>Is there a Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61?
>
>( I've been reading the threads about
>  Flash 7a for mozilla, and now Most stable Browser,
>  and it occurs to me that I might - MIGHT - be able
>  to get a Flash player for Netscape 4.61 )

Yes Chris.

It's the same one from Innotek.

The install searches your path for Netscape and Mozillas plugin directories,
and can be installed in all.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:07:18 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:11:11 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:

>I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page
>
>Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print 
>preview.
>
>Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not 
>wrapped.
>
>System:  NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5
>
>So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser.

Great! Thanks for the confirmation Dennis.

I was starting to doubt myself and the latest Firefox browsers...

I will email RBA to tell them of the problem.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:57:07 +1000
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates

John

I have printing this page using both Mozilla 1.7 and Firefox 0.9. Both 
do exactly the same, in that I get the first page printed containing 
only the "Reserve Bank of Australia" and the second page is a perfect 
print of their information.

regards
Ken

John Angelico wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:11:11 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page
>>
>>Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print 
>>preview.
>>
>>Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not 
>>wrapped.
>>
>>System:  NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5
>>
>>So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser.
>>    
>>
>
>Great! Thanks for the confirmation Dennis.
>
>I was starting to doubt myself and the latest Firefox browsers...
>
>I will email RBA to tell them of the problem.
>
>
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>OS/2 SIG
>os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
>talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>___________________
>

> 

>
>
>
>  
>

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:09:20 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:41:31 +1000, Ken Laurie wrote:

>Dennis

Hi Ken (saw you other post too) 

>
>IE has always truncated the text whenever I have tried printing from it. 
>That is with NT4, w2k and winxp.  I find printing from IE basically 
>useless for most sites.

That is what NS 4.61 does. But I can shrink the page to fit at least...

>I tried the RBA site and besides the printing of the header on the first 
>page and then printing the text on the second page, both prints worked fine.

That's what Firebird 0.7 used to do. 

For about a month it hasn't

>I am using Mozilla 1.7 (Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7) 
>Gecko/20040617)

Hmmm...a puzzle.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:56:48 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Java plugin woes, was Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>  
>
>>Simple comme bonjour, just copy the file npoji6.dll to the plugins
>>directory.
>>    
>>
>
>Kris,
>
>I've zipped up both old java trees;
>
>LIBPATH has, amonsts others:
>
>F:\JAVA131\JRE\DLL;
>
>  
>
You should have in the libpath:

LIBPATH=E:\Java131\JRE\DLL;E:\java131\jre\bin

That's all you need.

and that's about all. If you wish to start java from command line 
instead of command file, you should add  in the Path= statement the path 
to  java.exe .  However , imho it's not recommendable to do so.
btw: in order to have the plugin worked, there is no need to have 
java.exe in the path. Repeat:  this superfluous.

>PATH has, amongst others:
>
>F:\java131\jre\bin;
>
>  
>
See above, better to remove it.

>CLASSPATH has:
>
>SET
>CLASSPATH=.\.;E:\OS2\JAVAAPPS\LVMGUI.ZIP;E:\TCPIP\java;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SRIP.JAR;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SGUIDE.ZIP;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\CSSGKEY.JAR;
>
>there are no other references to java in config
>
>  
>

The entry classpath= is an java11 entry. java13 doesn't know it, hence 
doesn't use it. Nothing else uses it, only java11 uses it. On more 
reason  to get rid of java118.

>02-07-10   7:16     279790           0  npoji6.dll
>
>to 0[roman][F:\mozilla dot org\mozilla\plugins]dir npoji6.dll
>
>  
>
Good.

>I then restarted both the system, (and Mozilla), but, still no luck
>
>aboutplugin shows:
>---------------------
>BM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710
>    File name: npoji6.dll
>    Java Plug-in 1.3.1 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)
>  
>
Which means the plugin is properly installed.

So far, so good.

>I have these SETS:
>
>
>MOZ_BIN=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla
>MOZILLA_HOME=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla
>  
>
Very bad!

This means your user and data files are within the mozilla program tree. 
A recepee for disastre, as you now well are aware of.

Keep the user files out of the program tree!
Keep the plugin directory out of the program tree!
Keep the bookmark files out of the program tree.

In order to do so, just follow my example.

>MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla\plugins
>  
>
Keep it out of the program tree.

>MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
>
>andm my panorama still refuses to load, telling me I need Java plugin:
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/panorama.html
>
>  
>
Here it is working perfect. If it does here, it will do at yours.

Open the os2.ini file with (preferable) Unimaint. Look for the (rather 
misleading) entry:

java Plug-in

The application should have only one key:

JAVA_HOME

Value (in your situation):

F:\java131\bin

No other entry is requiered!
Reboot, and then everything should work.

Hmm, on Thursday I'm leaving for a 10 days holliday. If it shouldn't 
work out, can I ask to wait a bit till I am back?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:12:36 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   From the Australian Financial Review

Not happy, Bill, IT users to tell Gates
Australian Financial Review
28 June 2004
Rachel Lebihan
Subscription only, no URL

Australia's top technology managers have a blunt message for
Microsoft chief Bill Gates: fix your software or risk losing
big business. For all Mr Gates's promises about
making Microsoft products more secure, 19 years after the
first release of the Windows operating system it is still
littered with holes.

IT managers are becoming increasingly frustrated by the
debacle, which is costing many of them hundreds of thousands
of dollars a year in security measures to deal
with software glitches. This is one of the main issues Mr
Gates will face when he fronts businesses and media in
Sydney today during a brief visit to Australia.

The chief information officer of Tasmania's Aurora Energy,
Reefe Brighton, said Microsoft products ran across virtually
all of the company's 100 servers and 700 personal
computers.

But that would change if the software giant did not make its
products more secure.

"We might have to rethink where we're spending money if
Microsoft has the same problem in 12 months as it has now,"
Mr Brighton said. "Particularly in the things that
face the outside world, like external web servers."

The Sydney-based information technology manager of hotel
group Swissotel, Matthew Coutts, also said he would prefer
to replace Microsoft software, particularly at the
server level. Mr Coutts said the Windows Update feature that
automatically downloaded software patches had "eased the
workload a significant amount" since being
unveiled late last year.

However, it was limited to computers running Windows 2000 or
later releases, so did not cover all workstations.

Security was the only element of Aurora's technology budget
that increased last year and it almost doubled to about
$250,000, with the management of software patches
and anti-virus software accounting for much of that
expenditure.

Mr Brighton said the biggest security headache was that
virus writers now exploited software flaws so quickly that
there was no time to test patches before installing them.

The window of opportunity to fix software flaws has been
narrowing for some time. It took almost a year for virus
writers to exploit the vulnerability that the Nimda virus
targeted in 2000, about six months for the SQL server
vulnerability to be hit by the Slammer worm in January 2003,
and the Blaster worm exploited a Microsoft flaw last
August after just 26 days.

Virus writers hit a new record in April when the Sasser worm
exploited a known vulnerability in just 18 days.

Aurora is not the only Microsoft customer struggling with
the rigorous and often unworkable patching regime.

Westpac's branch computer network was taken offline by the
Sasser worm last month after a software flaw was left
unfixed by outsourcing partner IBM Global Services.

Westpac CIO Simon McNamara said there was a lot of work
involved in installing patches that required rigorous
testing before being deployed or else they could disrupt
the network.

In the week following the virus attack, Mr McNamara said
Westpac was not "fixed in perpetuity" to relationships with
either IBM or Microsoft.

The regional IT facilitator at Det Norske Veritas, Darren
Warner, said more software patches were being installed,
which suggested they must be working to some extent.
But one problem was how they were distributed.

"The patches are becoming bigger and bigger and bigger, and
the people with narrowband connections are finding that more
challenging. That's definitely one big
challenge that Microsoft's got," Mr Warner said.

He said that the days of Microsoft dictating what software
customers used were starting to change with alternatives
such as open source becoming more viable.

"It's probably too early at this point to say how much of a
threat it will be," Mr Warner said. "I don't necessarily
know that it puts too much pressure on Microsoft. At the end

of the day, Microsoft can release what they want to
release."

Microsoft is concerned about the raft of CIOs who are having
patch-management difficulties and threatening to dump its
products. So much so that it recently started
identifying key business clients to take part in consulting
programs to help remedy patching and other risk-management
issues.

Microsoft Australia's security leader, Ben English, told The
Australian Financial Review at the Auscert security
conference last month that locally the company was looking
to review all its enterprise customers' security problems
and had already engaged about six customers in remediation
consulting programs.

Microsoft was encouraging IT professionals to go beyond
patching and look at what policies and long-term strategies
needed to be in place, Mr English said.

Microsoft Australia kicked off a roadshow this month that
will visit all six states and "try to raise the bar and
general awareness of all IT security issues", Mr English
said.

But there are other signs of unrest among Microsoft users,
which industry watchers believe will spread further this
year.

The German city of Munich defected from the Microsoft fold
last year, and other governments have indicated they are
looking at competing open-source operating
systems, such as Linux.

Deacons lawyer Leif Gamertsfelder said legislators and users
were starting to take matters into their own hands.

He pointed to the proposed Corporate Information Security
Accountability Act 2003 in the US, which sought to impose
greater security obligations on public companies.

California also recently introduced specific legislation to
lift security standards in that jurisdiction.

However, Mr Gamertsfelder said last year's Marcy Hamilton
class action launched against Microsoft for alleged security
defects in its products was the first time that the
law had focused solely on a software vendor.

"This is a worrying trend that is likely to develop in the
US and other jurisdictions if radical changes to the current
'patch-on-alert' security model are not made," Mr
Gamertsfelder said.

The managing director of technology advising firm S2
Intelligence, Bruce McCabe, said there was no question that
users would dump Microsoft eventually if security was
not improved.

While it posed no real threat for the software giant today,
"ultimately it will cost them in business if they don't
address this issue," Mr McCabe said.

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:17:37 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  java 1.x ?Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>Kris Steenhaut said:
>
>
>  
>
>>>I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ?
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>Indeed, and java11 as well.
>>
>>It is already hard enough. Don't keep different versions of teh same,
>>don't keep outdated program trees as java11.
>>    
>>
>-----------------------
>
>
>Kris,
>
>I was under impression some of the 'old' java was needed for the built -in
>java-gui config utilities ....? like tcpcfg2 ?
>
>  
>
Certainly not for tcpcfg2, java131 does the job.
IMHO you don't need java118 anymore. At least here I don't need it.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:30:43 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Voytek Eymont" <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Java plugin woes, was Re:  Most stable Browser ?

Kris Steenhaut said:

>
> Hmm, on Thursday I'm leaving for a 10 days holliday. If it shouldn't
> work out, can I ask to wait a bit till I am back?

sure, have a nice holiday
me too, on Friday, I'm going away for about a week
meanwhile, I'll follow your steps shortly, thanks, Kris

-- 
Voytek
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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:56:10 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:

>If anyone would like to go to
>http://www.rba.gov.au/Statistics/exchange_rates.html and try
>a) print the viewed page with menu, Print Preview or Ctrl-P
>b) select the print-friendly version (opens a new browser window) and print
>that
>then I would be interested to know what browser and version actually prints
>successfully, without closing down competely.
>

Hi John,

I went to the site mentioned using Mozilla 1.4 and  was able to print the page OK.
Following (a)  the page printed as 2 pages, the 1st with Reserve Bank of Australia; the 2nd with all the 
exchange rates.

Following (b) the page was printed as a single page.

Regards

Alan Duval

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Date:  Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:15:30 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:56:10 +1000 (AEST), Alan Duval wrote:

Hi Alan and thanks.

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:
>
>>If anyone would like to go to
>>http://www.rba.gov.au/Statistics/exchange_rates.html and try
>>a) print the viewed page with menu, Print Preview or Ctrl-P
>>b) select the print-friendly version (opens a new browser window) and print
>>that
>>then I would be interested to know what browser and version actually prints
>>successfully, without closing down competely.
>>
>
>Hi John,
>
>I went to the site mentioned using Mozilla 1.4 and  was able to print the page OK.

Your Mozilla is a bit earlier than my Firefox but I was hoping that wouldn't
be the major difference.

>Following (a)  the page printed as 2 pages, the 1st with Reserve Bank of Australia; the 2nd with all the 
>exchange rates.
>
>Following (b) the page was printed as a single page.

Now I am not sure whether to blame the website or my browser...

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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