Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 879
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:01:09 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 28 June 2004
 Number  879
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : freiherr at earthlink dot net
2  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
4  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
5  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
6  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
7  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
10  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
11   Most stable Browser ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
12  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
13  Re:  Most stable Browser ? : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:18:55 -0400
From:  freiherr at earthlink dot net
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On 06/27/04 at 09:58 AM, "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net> wrote:

> Please don't announce it anywhere else.

Umm, isn't a bit too late for that admonition?

Regards, 
Eric Schilke

Copyright (c) 2004.  All rights reserved.

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:01:11 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

Hi Mark,

   You have confirmed my suspecions !  I did not announce it here or elsewhere - I have been simply querying what it was and who it actually came from.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Mark Dodel wrote:

> In <40DEAA56.AD436AE6 at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/27/04 at 09:07 PM,
>    Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:
>
> >   Yes a couple of other people have referenced this corespondance, so I
> >guess Macromedia have no problems with someone porting it - and it does
> >seem to work very well from my trials, however since the plugin reports
> >itself as being fromInnotek, it seems strange that the code is coming
> >from a russian eComstation site, rather than Innoteks own site in
> >Germany.
>
> It is a leaked drop of an internal development version from Innotek.  This
> is not a legal release of Flash for OS/2.  It was not intended for public
> release.  I know this because I asked Innotek.  Please don't announce it
> anywhere else.
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
>  From the eComStation Desktop of: Mark Dodel
>
>  Warpstock 2004, Denver, Colorado, October 21 - 24, 2004  http://www.warpstock dot org
>  Warpstock Europe 2004, Arnhem, The Netherlands, November 26-28th, 2004 http://www.warpstock dot net
>
> For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE - http://www.os2voice dot org
>
>   "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself.   That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation, 1938
>

>  

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Date:  Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:15:17 -0300
From:  "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

In <40DF3597.4420174D at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/28/04 at 07:01 AM,
   Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:

>   You have confirmed my suspecions !  I did not announce it here or
>elsewhere - I have been simply querying what it was and who it actually
>came from.

Sorry, I was directing that to everyone on this list, not you Ed.  Since
its on a .ru site I don't think Innotek can do much to stop it, they just
would prefer to keep the damage controlled, as it contains Macromedia
copyrighted material.  People will do what they will, but since Innotek is
still trying to get it released legally, it would help if the illegal
version wasn't spread around.

Mark

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:04:16 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:15:17 -0300, Mark Dodel wrote:

Hi Mark and Ed.

>In <40DF3597.4420174D at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/28/04 at 07:01 AM,
>   Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:
>
>>   You have confirmed my suspecions !  I did not announce it here or
>>elsewhere - I have been simply querying what it was and who it actually
>>came from.

Thanks both of you for the advice and caution. 

>
>Sorry, I was directing that to everyone on this list, not you Ed.  Since
>its on a .ru site I don't think Innotek can do much to stop it, they just
>would prefer to keep the damage controlled, as it contains Macromedia
>copyrighted material.  People will do what they will, but since Innotek is
>still trying to get it released legally, it would help if the illegal
>version wasn't spread around.

That will be helped by the fact that 
a) some Firefox/Mozilla can't see the "new" version 
I tried but failed to get it going here, and will stop now.

b) some report no difference anyway ie. the sites they are visiting don't yet
use Flash past our level 5.

I responded to the original request for feedback, supporting the idea of
Innotek proceeding, with a comment that it may not be much of an issue now
but it will become a bigger "problem" in the future.

In a perverse way, the existence of a leaked update is good news - it
confirms the Innotek statement that it is not holding back, and it shows that
*someone* is actually working on something...

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:55:02 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

Mark Dodel schreef:

>would prefer to keep the damage controlled, as it contains Macromedia
>copyrighted material.  People will do what they will, but since Innotek is
>still trying to get it released legally,
>
It more looks like they were trying very hard not to release.

> it would help if the illegal
>version wasn't spread around.
>
>  
>
It certainly wouldn't help us.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:56:30 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

John Angelico schreef:

>In a perverse way, the existence of a leaked update is good news - it
>confirms the Innotek statement that it is not holding back,
>
It rather seems to me they were holding it back.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:38:52 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:56:30 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

Hi Kris.

>John Angelico schreef:
>
>>In a perverse way, the existence of a leaked update is good news - it
>>confirms the Innotek statement that it is not holding back,
>>
>It rather seems to me they were holding it back.

Well, it's hard to know. 

My experience (as reported) is that it failed to install, and then failed to
work as designed. Others had better fortune and got it going. The overall
result is that I would call it not ready for release - not really even alpha.

So I would find it hard at this stage to accuse them of holding back.

As the Scots would say "Not Proven" (neither Not Guilty nor Guilty, but in
between and open for more evidence to be brought).

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:00:41 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

John Angelico schreef:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:56:30 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
>Hi Kris.
>
>
>  
>
>>John Angelico schreef:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>In a perverse way, the existence of a leaked update is good news - it
>>>confirms the Innotek statement that it is not holding back,
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>It rather seems to me they were holding it back.
>>    
>>
>
>Well, it's hard to know. 
>
>My experience (as reported) is that it failed to install,
>
Do you have the entry

SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=

in the config?

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:12:40 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:00:41 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
Hi Kris

>
>
>John Angelico schreef:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:56:30 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>>
>>Hi Kris.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>John Angelico schreef:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>In a perverse way, the existence of a leaked update is good news - it
>>>>confirms the Innotek statement that it is not holding back,
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>It rather seems to me they were holding it back.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Well, it's hard to know. 
>>
>>My experience (as reported) is that it failed to install,
>>
>Do you have the entry
>
>SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=

Yes. I have just tried again, without success, on a site that asks for the
latest version of Flash (doesn't use it much but...).

I am now uninstalling the new one and re-installing Flash 5.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:24:54 +1000 (EST)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:38:52 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:

>
>My experience (as reported) is that it failed to install, and then failed to
>work as designed. Others had better fortune and got it going. The overall
>result is that I would call it not ready for release - not really even alpha.
>

It seems to be working well here.  The only problem seems to be sound. 
But, I suspect that might be the UniAud drivers and my soundcard. 
Unfortunately, it seems that all the Innotek ports have problems on
different machines.  I've seen reports of problems with Java, OO and
Acrobat (though this seems to be the least problematic).  From what I
see of this, it is well past alpha stage.

Hmm, do you have the other ports and ODIN installed and working?

--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:05:34 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   Most stable Browser ?

Hi,

   I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM
Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of
Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a
browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to
even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end
it's operation.

  I'm actually seriously considering changing my default
browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3.

  I wonder what other people's experiences have been. I
haven't tried the separated out Firebird browser, is it more
or less stable than the complete Mozilla package ??

   Cheers/2

     Ed.

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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Flash 7a for Mozilla

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:24:54 +1000 (EST), David Forrester wrote:

Hi David.

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:38:52 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote:
>
>>
>>My experience (as reported) is that it failed to install, and then failed to
>>work as designed. Others had better fortune and got it going. The overall
>>result is that I would call it not ready for release - not really even alpha.
>>
>
>It seems to be working well here.  

Good-oh. That's what I said - some people are fine!

>The only problem seems to be sound. 
>But, I suspect that might be the UniAud drivers and my soundcard. 

We boring accountants are not bothered by this class of problem. <g>
 
>Unfortunately, it seems that all the Innotek ports have problems on
>different machines.  I've seen reports of problems with Java, OO and
>Acrobat (though this seems to be the least problematic).  From what I
>see of this, it is well past alpha stage.

Ah, fair comment then, I must be not hearing of those successes. 

Old jungle saying: Bad news travel fast!

>
>Hmm, do you have the other ports and ODIN installed and working?

No, since I am using GSView rather than Acrobat, and I don't knowingly use
ODIN.... very little in Windows; almost no installs. 

Java problems have only been evident in the browser (Firefox 0.8, mostly
fixed now in 0.9).

I have only one residual problem in browser printing, which seems to be
related to sites rather than the browser itself.

If anyone would like to go to
http://www.rba.gov.au/Statistics/exchange_rates.html and try
a) print the viewed page with menu, Print Preview or Ctrl-P
b) select the print-friendly version (opens a new browser window) and print
that
then I would be interested to know what browser and version actually prints
successfully, without closing down competely.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:21:43 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Most stable Browser ?

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:05:34 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Hi,
Hi Ed.

>
>   I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM
>Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of
>Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a
>browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to
>even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end
>it's operation.
>
>  I'm actually seriously considering changing my default
>browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3.

I managedthat rite of passage when Phoenix 0.6 was released. 

*However*, NS4.61  is still here and used for a secure logon for credit card
merchant transactions. 

I may have mentioned here a few times that all the new browsers handle
form-filling very differently to NS4.61.

Therefore I retain it to go with our nifty rexx program to spit credit card
data into the form for online processing.

As well as that I retain Webex 1.1h to run with HTML-Ed 0.96 for building,
maintaining and testing web pages. 

>  I wonder what other people's experiences have been. I
>haven't tried the separated out Firebird browser, is it more
>or less stable than the complete Mozilla package ??

Can't compare the two, since they feed off the same sources I believe. 

I might expect the full IBM/Mozilla to be somewhat less stable only on the
presumption that more code = more complexity = more likelihood of points of
failure.

But Firefox 0.9 is very good, has fixed the Java/Javascript problems from 0.8
which annoyed me to blazes, and is very nifty. 

It is almost at the stage where one may apply the Jeeves sobriquet "At your
service, sir! We endeavour to give satisfaction!"

However, see my other reply re Flash 7a to see my one remaining irritant - to
do with printing.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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