Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 804
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:01:05 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 14 February 2004
 Number  804
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  phantom ports and sound : Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
2   St George Internet Banking : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  St George Internet Banking : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
4  Re:  St George Internet Banking : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
6  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
7  Re:  St George Internet Banking : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
9  Re:  St George Internet Banking : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
11  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Michael Barrow" <thebarrows at iinet dot net dot au>
12  Re:  St George Internet Banking : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
14  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
15  Re:  St George Internet Banking : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
16  Re:  St George Internet Banking : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
17  Re:  St George Internet Banking : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
18  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
19  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
20  Re:  St George Internet Banking : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
21  Re:  St George Internet Banking : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:51:07 +1100
From:  Gavin Miller <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  phantom ports and sound

Yep.  Quite sure.  No IR here, but it doesn't matter now.  The sound was 
crappy in Windows anyway so I went out and got myself a SBLive and it 
works beautifully.

PS.  I did play around with port settings and setting up a dummy port 
with com.sys.
Thanks anyway guys.

Cheers
G

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:48:41 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   St George Internet Banking

Anyone here use St George Internet Banking? (it is Java based). Up until the last day or so it has worked very 
well with latest java eg JRE131 or Innotek's 142.  But it now doesn't work.  Seems St George must have 
changed something that has broken java compatibility under os/2.

Has anyone noticed this as well?

David

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:20:07 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:48:41 +1000, David Shearer wrote:

>Anyone here use St George Internet Banking? (it is Java based). Up until the last day or so it has worked very 
>well with latest java eg JRE131 or Innotek's 142.  But it now doesn't work.  Seems St George must have 
>changed something that has broken java compatibility under os/2.
>
>Has anyone noticed this as well?

Hi David.

Can't say I have noticed as I'm not a STG banker. But Daryl P used to be I
think.

Is there a public part that I could test?

I have just installed Firefox 0.8 (clean) and found that CBA and NAB fail
where in Firebird 0.7 they are fine. Seems like a Javascript problem from
what I can see in the status line.

I am watching the various OS/2 lists for more news on the problem.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Message adjusted to produce more light than heat.
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:31:09 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

John - thanks - I have been using the latest IBM web browser 2.02 based on moz 141.  If you like you can go 
to the www.stgeorge dot com dot au site and click on internet banking on the left hand side - there is a demo.  There 
is also a compatibility test which shows that it doesn't recog java nor SSl etc.

I have sent an email to St George - but wont hold my breath.  This happened a few years ago but then it 
worked again and has since (until now).

Let me know if you succeed with the demo. I have downloaded moz 1.6 to see if that works.

Might have something to do with SSL?

David

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:20:07 +1100, John Angelico wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:48:41 +1000, David Shearer wrote:
>
>>Anyone here use St George Internet Banking? (it is Java based). Up until the last day or so it has worked 
very 
>>well with latest java eg JRE131 or Innotek's 142.  But it now doesn't work.  Seems St George must have 
>>changed something that has broken java compatibility under os/2.
>>
>>Has anyone noticed this as well?
>
>Hi David.
>
>Can't say I have noticed as I'm not a STG banker. But Daryl P used to be I
>think.
>
>Is there a public part that I could test?
>
>I have just installed Firefox 0.8 (clean) and found that CBA and NAB fail
>where in Firebird 0.7 they are fine. Seems like a Javascript problem from
>what I can see in the status line.
>
>I am watching the various OS/2 lists for more news on the problem.
> 
>
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>OS/2 SIG
>os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
>talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>___________________
>
>PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
>... Message adjusted to produce more light than heat.

> 

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:41:04 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Hi David

Using Mozilla v1.7b
IBM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.3.1 Plus Innotek Java 1.4x plugin

http://www.stgeorge dot com dot au/int_bank/about/system_information/default.asp?orc=personal

System Suitability Test
=====================
Operating System* 		OS/2		 	X
Browser 			Mozilla 1.7		tick	
Javascript 			JavaScript not Enabled 	X
Java	 			Java not Enabled 	X
Java VM, Apple Java and Apple MRJ 		          Blank
SSL Cypher Strength 		Compatible		tick

The only thing that is accurate is I have Javascript Disabled.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Reality Meter [....../]  But what will we do with all this reality.
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:44:39 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Ohhh...

> The only thing that is accurate is I have Javascript Disabled.

Oops, and OS/2 of cause ;-)

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I am Warp of Borg. Lotus has been assimilated. Microsoft is irrelevant.
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:45:06 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Hi Ian - did you try the demo - you dont need to be an account holder.

David

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:41:04 +1100, Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi David
>
>Using Mozilla v1.7b
>IBM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.3.1 Plus Innotek Java 1.4x plugin
>
>http://www.stgeorge dot com dot au/int_bank/about/system_information/default.asp?orc=personal
>
>System Suitability Test
>=====================
>Operating System* 		OS/2		 	X
>Browser 			Mozilla 1.7		tick	
>Javascript 			JavaScript not Enabled 	X
>Java	 			Java not Enabled 	X
>Java VM, Apple Java and Apple MRJ 		          Blank
>SSL Cypher Strength 		Compatible		tick
>
>The only thing that is accurate is I have Javascript Disabled.
>
>Cheers
>Ian Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>Reality Meter [....../]  But what will we do with all this reality.

> 

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:52:48 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Hi David

> Hi Ian - did you try the demo - you dont need to be an account holder.

I get :-

   'Please make sure that AutoInstall and Java are enabled.'

Autoinstall is on WITH the option to ask before doing anything, and my
Java is fine as it works for everything else. Am I suppost to see something
else ?

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

"I'm a Leo.  Leos don't believe in this astrology stuff."   -- Tom Neff
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:55:54 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

That happens for me - it does not recognise the java vm.  Mozilla 1.6 was not any better.  It seems St George 
have done something to cripple OS/2's java vms.  

I might have to resort to using windows in a VPC to access internet banking now - what a pain.  Only hope is 
if enough os/2 users complain.

regards

David

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:52:48 +1100, Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi David
>
>> Hi Ian - did you try the demo - you dont need to be an account holder.
>
>I get :-
>
>   'Please make sure that AutoInstall and Java are enabled.'
>
>Autoinstall is on WITH the option to ask before doing anything, and my
>Java is fine as it works for everything else. Am I suppost to see something
>else ?
>
>Cheers
>Ian Manners
>http://www.os2site dot com/
>
>"I'm a Leo.  Leos don't believe in this astrology stuff."   -- Tom Neff

> 

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:28:31 +1100
From:  Ken Laurie <ken.laurie at graeleah dot com>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

John

I just tried the CBA with a clean install of firefox 0.8 and I was able 
to use it without a problem. The only part that didn't work was the Java 
ad running at the top of the screen, otherwise it seemed all OK.

regards
Ken

John Angelico wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:48:41 +1000, David Shearer wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Anyone here use St George Internet Banking? (it is Java based). Up until the last day or so it has worked very 
>>well with latest java eg JRE131 or Innotek's 142.  But it now doesn't work.  Seems St George must have 
>>changed something that has broken java compatibility under os/2.
>>
>>Has anyone noticed this as well?
>>    
>>
>
>Hi David.
>
>Can't say I have noticed as I'm not a STG banker. But Daryl P used to be I
>think.
>
>Is there a public part that I could test?
>
>I have just installed Firefox 0.8 (clean) and found that CBA and NAB fail
>where in Firebird 0.7 they are fine. Seems like a Javascript problem from
>what I can see in the status line.
>
>I am watching the various OS/2 lists for more news on the problem.
> 
>
>Best regards
>John Angelico
>OS/2 SIG
>os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
>talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>___________________
>
>PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
>... Message adjusted to produce more light than heat.

> 

>
>
>  
>

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:24:15 GMT
From:  "Michael Barrow" <thebarrows at iinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

** Reply to St George thread.
I fail compatibility using Moz 1.3 and java 1.3.1.
Sees the browser and OS/2. Doesn't see java at all.
The demo sits there saying it's loading java applet.
Everything here works fine with all those java games sites my daughter uses so
I'm glad I'm with Bendigo Bank. It works without java. I know that 'cos it only
just dawned on me that I had to load the dll's and plugins to make things work.
Collective groan from family.
Regards,

Michael
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:35:56 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

The other irony about this new saga with St George is that I installed Win98 with the vanilla IE 5.0 using the 
default old MS Java VM (under VPC) and lo and behold the internet banking worked.  I can't imagine that St 
George have now just updated to a more secure uptodate Java - and hence exlcuded OS/2.  My suspicion is 
that they are excluding non-standard OS and browsers - by the browser identifier (they only officially support 
Windows and Mac).  They did this a few years back but must have backed down and reopened access due 
to complaints.

I am not an expert on the Trade Practices Act but I wonder if this is illegal third party forcing (eg forcing you to 
use a third party product to access their service).

Boy am I pissed offf.

David

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:28:31 +1100, Ken Laurie wrote:

>John
>
>I just tried the CBA with a clean install of firefox 0.8 and I was able 
>to use it without a problem. The only part that didn't work was the Java 
>ad running at the top of the screen, otherwise it seemed all OK.
>
>regards
>Ken
>
>John Angelico wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:48:41 +1000, David Shearer wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Anyone here use St George Internet Banking? (it is Java based). Up until the last day or so it has worked 
very 
>>>well with latest java eg JRE131 or Innotek's 142.  But it now doesn't work.  Seems St George must have 
>>>changed something that has broken java compatibility under os/2.
>>>
>>>Has anyone noticed this as well?
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Hi David.
>>
>>Can't say I have noticed as I'm not a STG banker. But Daryl P used to be I
>>think.
>>
>>Is there a public part that I could test?
>>
>>I have just installed Firefox 0.8 (clean) and found that CBA and NAB fail
>>where in Firebird 0.7 they are fine. Seems like a Javascript problem from
>>what I can see in the status line.
>>
>>I am watching the various OS/2 lists for more news on the problem.
>> 
>>
>>Best regards
>>John Angelico
>>OS/2 SIG
>>os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
>>talldad at kepl dot com dot au
>>___________________
>>
>>PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
>>... Message adjusted to produce more light than heat.

>> 

>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

> 

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:28:36 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Change banks !

ANZ still works fine (touich wood).

Cheers/2

Ed.

David Shearer wrote:

> That happens for me - it does not recognise the java vm.  Mozilla 1.6 was not any better.  It seems St George
> have done something to cripple OS/2's java vms.
>
> I might have to resort to using windows in a VPC to access internet banking now - what a pain.  Only hope is
> if enough os/2 users complain.
>
> regards
>
> David
>
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:52:48 +1100, Ian Manners wrote:
>
> >Hi David
> >
> >> Hi Ian - did you try the demo - you dont need to be an account holder.
> >
> >I get :-
> >
> >   'Please make sure that AutoInstall and Java are enabled.'
> >
> >Autoinstall is on WITH the option to ask before doing anything, and my
> >Java is fine as it works for everything else. Am I suppost to see something
> >else ?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Ian Manners
> >http://www.os2site dot com/
> >
> >"I'm a Leo.  Leos don't believe in this astrology stuff."   -- Tom Neff

> > 

>

>  

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:30:33 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

I guess you know you can tell Mozilla to spoof (report itself as) running on e.g. WinXP and being IE5 ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

David Shearer wrote:

> The other irony about this new saga with St George is that I installed Win98 with the vanilla IE 5.0 using the
> default old MS Java VM (under VPC) and lo and behold the internet banking worked.  I can't imagine that St
> George have now just updated to a more secure uptodate Java - and hence exlcuded OS/2.  My suspicion is
> that they are excluding non-standard OS and browsers - by the browser identifier (they only officially support
> Windows and Mac).  They did this a few years back but must have backed down and reopened access due
> to complaints.

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:07:10 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

> Hi David
>
>> Hi Ian - did you try the demo - you dont need to be an account holder.
>
> I get :-
>
>    'Please make sure that AutoInstall and Java are enabled.'
>
> Autoinstall is on WITH the option to ask before doing anything, and my
> Java is fine as it works for everything else. Am I suppost to see
> something
> else ?

as far as I recall, the demo will fail an OS/2 machine, even if the
banking actually works.

I have used StG with OS/2 in the past, generally, it worked OK.
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:01:55 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

How do you do that?

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:30:33 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>I guess you know you can tell Mozilla to spoof (report itself as) running on e.g. WinXP and being IE5 ?
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>David Shearer wrote:
>
>> The other irony about this new saga with St George is that I installed Win98 with the vanilla IE 5.0 using 
the
>> default old MS Java VM (under VPC) and lo and behold the internet banking worked.  I can't imagine that 
St
>> George have now just updated to a more secure uptodate Java - and hence exlcuded OS/2.  My 
suspicion is
>> that they are excluding non-standard OS and browsers - by the browser identifier (they only officially 
support
>> Windows and Mac).  They did this a few years back but must have backed down and reopened access 
due
>> to complaints.
>

> 

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:09:54 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

> I might have to resort to using windows in a VPC to access internet
> banking now - what a pain.  Only hope is
> if enough os/2 users complain.

yes, you have two chances of that.

Read the requirements page, it's quite specific what is supported,

last time I looked, even certain windoze combos were not supported

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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:25:33 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Hi David

> How do you do that?

exit ibmbrowser, mozilla, or Firebird etc, look for the file 'prefs.js' and
add the line :-

user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (WinXP; U; WinXP; rv:1.6) Gecko/20031214");

You will need to see what the actual line is for IE, Netscape etc for XP and replace
the relevant bits in that line.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up!
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:32:29 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

ok, looked in my apache logs :-)

user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)");

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.  -- A. Whitney Brown
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:33:20 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

Or

user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)");

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Windows: wimpy, wimpy, wimpy. OS/2 Warp: Hefty Hefty Hefty!
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Date:  Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:03:59 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  St George Internet Banking

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:25:33 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>> How do you do that?
>
>exit ibmbrowser, mozilla, or Firebird etc, look for the file 'prefs.js' and
>add the line :-
>
>user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (WinXP; U; WinXP; rv:1.6) Gecko/20031214");
>
>You will need to see what the actual line is for IE, Netscape etc for XP and replace
>the relevant bits in that line.

You don't need to exit the browser.  Enter "about:config" as the url. 
Then, find the the above preference, right click on it and select
"Modify".  Then enter the desired value.  If the preference isn't
there, then create a new one.  In this case it has to be a "String",
with the name and value as above.
--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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