Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 793
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:01:06 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 02 February 2004
 Number  793
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
2  Re:  EI Office 2003 : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
3  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  EI Office 2003 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
6  Re:  EI Office 2003 : Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
7  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
8  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
9   How much? : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
10  Re:  How much? : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:16:29 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:17 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

Well, despite Daryl's warning, I have spent $A50 and bought the HP 5100C
//port scanner which works fine under my Win95 on the laptop with only 32Mb
RAM.

However, I continue my research, and thus display my curmugeonly
stubbornness.

In my surfing I have discovered in the Linux SANE areas the following:
http://cyberelk dot net/tim/parport/parport.html
which reports on development efforts towards a PP-SCSI driver to handle such
models as the 5100C.

The page claims success with the HP-5100C particularly, but I would be
interested in knowing if the parport driver has been ported to OS/2 along
with the rest of the SANE package.

If it has, there is scope for other parallel port sharing devices
(ZipDrives?) to work as well, and I may be able to resurrect my old DOS
MicroSolutions BackPack drive :-)

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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>John Angelico wrote:
>> Hi all!
>> 
>> I have an opportunity to grab a HP ScanJet 5100C model for $50.
>> 
>> As I read the SANE docs, this is a parallel port model fully supported by the
>> SANE/TAME software.
>> 
>> Can anyone offer advice or experience in using this model please? 
>>
>Hi John,
>Don't touch parallel-port scanners with a barge-pole.
>Nothing but trouble & the lpt interface really is too slow for the 
>amount of data throughput, Oh, good luck trying to get a printer working 
>through it too ;)
>
>I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale.
>Full support provided to get you going.
>
>The 5p has_never_been_used. It came from a customer's site & still 
>contained a sheet of packaging paper on the glass under the lid:- i.e. 
>it had never been used, although the exterior is slightly soiled.
>
>I've even got the box for the 4c & will provide a better-than-original 
>ISA SCSI card with the unit. The original card was a CPU hog & I think I 
>threw it out.
>

> 

>
>

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:18:25 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  EI Office 2003

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:

>Hi Alan,
>
>I am d/l to give it a try.
>
>On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:50:13 +1100 (AEDT), Alan Duval wrote:
>
>>Hi, 
>>
>>Has anyone purchased and used EI Office?
>>It sounds like a good office product.
>>Details at   <http://www.evermoresw dot com>
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Alan
>>    
>>
>
>>From the website:-
>With EIOffice 2003, users launch one program, not a word processor,
>then a spreadsheet, then a business graphics application.
>Instead, EIOffice 2003 users control all text, worksheets, slides,
>presentations, charts, tables and graphs from the Application Bar.
>
>EIOffice 2003 stores all related office information in a single file
>called a "binder," eliminating the different file formats and separate,
>individual files required by word processors, spreadsheets and graphics
>programs crammed into conventional Office suites.
>
>One "binder" stores all related cell ranges, text, graphics, audio
>and video objects, an approach that synchronizes an entire project
>and facilitates the exchange of Office data.
>
>
>Written in Java, EIOffice 2003 offers the global enterprise and small
>business one REAL Office that works across platforms.  EIOffice 2003 runs
>on all operating systems that support Java, including Windows and Linux.
>Support for Macintosh OS X and Solaris is in development.
>Chinese and English versions of EIO are available for worldwide markets.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The scarey bit is where they say:-
>[stores all related office information in a single file called a "binder,"]
>
>I don't like the idea of one huge file.  It could be a b**tard to backup.
>And imagine what would happen with a lockup of the program,, the whole
>file could disappear in one brief scandisk.
>
>More later.
>

Hi Bob, Alan,

Did you notice under pricing was the following;

Price $ 99 USD (12 month *lease*)

My emphasis!

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Mike

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:34:06 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Hi John,

  Since OS/2 2.1 there have been parrallel port drivers for OS/2 ! These "should" still
work under Warp 4. Is your HP scanner one with a parrallel to SCSI convertor of
sometype because I do seem to remember seeing an OS/2 driver for same, from HP - check
their website. I'll send you the  parrallel port ("shuttle") drivers for OS/2 that I
have off-list. These are supposed to work with Zip drives. Remember though, that the
parrallel port isn't that quick when compared to SCSI or USB.

Cheers/2

Ed.

John Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:17 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
> Well, despite Daryl's warning, I have spent $A50 and bought the HP 5100C
> //port scanner which works fine under my Win95 on the laptop with only 32Mb
> RAM.
>
> However, I continue my research, and thus display my curmugeonly
> stubbornness.
>
> In my surfing I have discovered in the Linux SANE areas the following:
> http://cyberelk dot net/tim/parport/parport.html
> which reports on development efforts towards a PP-SCSI driver to handle such
> models as the 5100C.
>
> The page claims success with the HP-5100C particularly, but I would be
> interested in knowing if the parport driver has been ported to OS/2 along
> with the rest of the SANE package.
>
> If it has, there is scope for other parallel port sharing devices
> (ZipDrives?) to work as well, and I may be able to resurrect my old DOS
> MicroSolutions BackPack drive :-)
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ________________________
>
> >John Angelico wrote:
> >> Hi all!
> >>
> >> I have an opportunity to grab a HP ScanJet 5100C model for $50.
> >>
> >> As I read the SANE docs, this is a parallel port model fully supported by the
> >> SANE/TAME software.
> >>
> >> Can anyone offer advice or experience in using this model please?
> >>
> >Hi John,
> >Don't touch parallel-port scanners with a barge-pole.
> >Nothing but trouble & the lpt interface really is too slow for the
> >amount of data throughput, Oh, good luck trying to get a printer working
> >through it too ;)
> >
> >I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale.
> >Full support provided to get you going.
> >
> >The 5p has_never_been_used. It came from a customer's site & still
> >contained a sheet of packaging paper on the glass under the lid:- i.e.
> >it had never been used, although the exterior is slightly soiled.
> >
> >I've even got the box for the 4c & will provide a better-than-original
> >ISA SCSI card with the unit. The original card was a CPU hog & I think I
> >threw it out.
> >

> > 

> >
> >
>

>  

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:36:46 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  EI Office 2003

Yes,

  read my upcoming article on the Voice newsletter ......

Cheers/2

Ed.

Alan Duval wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone purchased and used EI Office?
> It sounds like a good office product.
> Details at   <http://www.evermoresw dot com>
>
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>

>  

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:20:37 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

John Angelico schreef:

>The page claims success with the HP-5100C particularly, but I would be
>interested in knowing if the parport driver has been ported to OS/2 along
>with the rest of the SANE package.
>
>  
>
Told you already, the only two // port devices reported to work (a bit) 
in OS/2 are the Medion and Mustek, which means only one device as the 
Medion and Mustek are exactly the same.

>If it has, there is scope for other parallel port sharing devices
>(ZipDrives?) to work as well,
>
Yes. Read the tame/2 readme and start the experiment. You will be the 
very first one ever to try a HP 5100c under OS/2.
We will be happy to applaud your reports of success.

>>I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale.
>>Full support provided to get you going.
>>
>>    
>>
Nevertheless, I would advise you to take the HP 4c. Will save you lot's 
of time and money.
The 4C is 600*600 optical, the 5P is 300*-600 optical. The latter being 
plenty of enough already. The 5p also is a device that would be 
prederred by the lady in the house.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:39:13 -0500
From:  "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  EI Office 2003

In <401D635E.A426DD19 at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 02/02/04 at 07:36 AM,
   Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:

>Yes,

>  read my upcoming article on the Voice newsletter ......

You mean the one that is now up at
<http://www.os2voice dot org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0204H/vnewsf3.htm> ?

:-)

Mark

>Cheers/2

>Ed.

>Alan Duval wrote:

>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone purchased and used EI Office?
>> It sounds like a good office product.
>> Details at   <http://www.evermoresw dot com>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Alan
>>
>
>>  
>

> 

-- 

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:06:14 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> Alan Duval schreef:
> 
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
 >
SNIP
>>
>> My apology. Mixing up my HP printer and HP 4Pscanner.
>> The scanner has a SCSI card.  I thought the large connector was  to a 
>> parallel porT.
>>  
> Your HP4 has a centronics (// port) as well as a db 25 outlet. You can 
> use both outlets, provided the scsi-cable has a suitable connection to 
> the scsi card.
>
G'day Folks,
The HP 4p scanner has a female Centronics 50 & female DB25 connector. It 
is SCSI.
Parallel ports have a female DB25 connector, mentioning HP4 in the same 
sentence as parallel is not helpful.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:29:49 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

John Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:17 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
SNIP
> 
>>I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale.
>>Full support provided to get you going.
>>The 5p has_never_been_used. It came from a customer's site & still 
>>contained a sheet of packaging paper on the glass under the lid:- i.e. 
>>it had never been used, although the exterior is slightly soiled.
>>
>>I've even got the box for the 4c & will provide a better-than-original 
>>ISA SCSI card with the unit. The original card was a CPU hog & I think I 
>>threw it out.
> 
> 
> In Melb? What sort of money?
>
Say $40 for the 5p & $60 for the 4c.
Delivery should be around $15 each by Aussie Post in Australia, maybe less.

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:07:38 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:   How much?

I have an eBay search for OS/2 that sends a notification when something turns up.  Last week, someone put 
up four packages, copies of: 1.0, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0.  I noticed today that they had all finished, and I was 
surprised at the results (with links to the auctions if anyone is interested):

2.1 - had a starting price of $1 and didn't sell.
<http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782975340&category=1247&rd=1>

2.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - sold for $1.00
<http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782959632&category=1247&rd=1>

3.0 Connect on CD- went for $13.49
<http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782976985&category=1247&rd=1>

But, the surprise package was:

1.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - started at $10 and went for $178.00!
<http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782946821&category=1247&rd=1>

So, who out there urgently needed a copy 1.0?

--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:23:01 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  How much?

David Forrester wrote:

>I have an eBay search for OS/2 that sends a notification when something turns up.  Last week, someone put up four packages, copies of: 1.0, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0.  I noticed today that they had all finished, and I was 
>surprised at the results (with links to the auctions if anyone is interested):
>
>2.1 - had a starting price of $1 and didn't sell.
><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782975340&category=1247&rd=1>
>
>2.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - sold for $1.00
><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782959632&category=1247&rd=1>
>
>3.0 Connect on CD- went for $13.49
><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782976985&category=1247&rd=1>
>
>But, the surprise package was:
>
>1.0 on 5.25 inch diskettes - started at $10 and went for $178.00!
><http://cgi.ebay dot com dot au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782946821&category=1247&rd=1>
>
>So, who out there urgently needed a copy 1.0?
>  
>

Hi David,

They'll probably auction it in 2025 for about the then equivalent of 
today's $1 million! :-)
Honest it wasn't me!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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