Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 791
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:01:05 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Saturday 31 January 2004
 Number  791
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
2  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
3  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
4  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
8  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
10  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
11  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
12  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re:  Java 1.41 : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
14  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
15  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
16  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
17  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
18  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
19  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
20  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
21  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
22  Re:  Java 1.41 : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:15:28 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:17 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

So strong Daryl.

>John Angelico wrote:
>> Hi all!
>> 
>> I have an opportunity to grab a HP ScanJet 5100C model for $50.
>> 
>> As I read the SANE docs, this is a parallel port model fully supported by the
>> SANE/TAME software.
>> 
>> Can anyone offer advice or experience in using this model please? 
>>
>Hi John,
>Don't touch parallel-port scanners with a barge-pole.
>Nothing but trouble & the lpt interface really is too slow for the 
>amount of data throughput, Oh, good luck trying to get a printer working 
>through it too ;)

What about using a separate card?

>
>I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale.
>Full support provided to get you going.
>The 5p has_never_been_used. It came from a customer's site & still 
>contained a sheet of packaging paper on the glass under the lid:- i.e. 
>it had never been used, although the exterior is slightly soiled.
>
>I've even got the box for the 4c & will provide a better-than-original 
>ISA SCSI card with the unit. The original card was a CPU hog & I think I 
>threw it out.

In Melb? What sort of money?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:31:28 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

Um, Kris, these two statements are now in complete conflict.

Alan has said he has a parallel port scanner working with Copyshop 2 and you
say Copyshop/2 can't handle them.

Could there be some difference in features of CS/2?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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>
>Alan Duval schreef:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:07:27 +1100 (AEDT), John Angelico wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Hi all!
>>>
>>>I have an opportunity to grab a HP ScanJet 5100C model for $50.
>>>
>>>As I read the SANE docs, this is a parallel port model fully supported by the
>>>SANE/TAME software.
>>>
>>>Can anyone offer advice or experience in using this model please? 
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with 
>>Copyshop 2.
>>
>>  
>>
>Copyshop/2 can't handle parallel port scanners.

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:52:23
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

** Reply to note from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:31:28 +1100 (AEDT)

> >>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with  
> >>Copyshop 2.

hmmm, I'd be very (pleasantly) surprised if CS/2 could be used with LPT scanner...

Voytek
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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:04:39
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100

> >Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with  
> >Copyshop 2. 

HP 4P parallel port scanner....
did HP have a parallel port scanner for years...?
not that I claim to be a HP expert, but, I just dodn't recall HP making LPT scanners...

Voytek
Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:39:28 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

I think HP used to supply a parrallel port to SCSI-I convertor cable with some scanners.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100
>
> > >Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with
> > >Copyshop 2.
>
> HP 4P parallel port scanner....
> did HP have a parallel port scanner for years...?
> not that I claim to be a HP expert, but, I just dodn't recall HP making LPT scanners...
>
> Voytek
> Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan
>

>  

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:51:24
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:39:28 +1100

> I think HP used to supply a parrallel port to SCSI-I convertor cable with some scanners.

Ed, 
according to me vague recollection, *all* HP scanners were SCSI (and, all worked with OS/2,
whether with Galleria, CopyShop, Applause, CFMTwain, Impos etc.

and, even Imara Scan Tool (a trully attrocious app)

Voytek
Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:14:45 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

John Angelico schreef:

>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
>Um, Kris, these two statements are now in complete conflict.
>
>Alan has said he has a parallel port scanner working with Copyshop 2 and you
>say Copyshop/2 can't handle them.
>
>  
>
And Bush says Irak is/was piled up with mass detruction weapons.

Sorry guys, Copyshop/2 _only_ handles scsi devices.

The HP5p IS A scsi device.
The HP 5100c IS A parallel port device.

Stop dreaming.

>Could there be some difference in features of CS/2?
>
>  
>
Superficiality never has been a good guide.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>** Reply to note from "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:31:28 +1100 (AEDT)
>
>
>  
>
>>>>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with  
>>>>Copyshop 2.
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>hmmm, I'd be very (pleasantly) surprised if CS/2 could be used with LPT scanner...
>
>  
>
I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-)

The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p 
running here with Tame/2.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:20:16 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100
>
>
>  
>
>>>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with  
>>>Copyshop 2. 
>>>      
>>>
>
>HP 4P parallel port scanner....
>  
>
Absolutely not.

>did HP have a parallel port scanner for years...?
>  
>
The first // port scanner HP ever pruduced was the HP 5100C.

>not that I claim to be a HP expert, but, I just dodn't recall HP making LPT scanners...
>
>
>  
>
 From now on, I'll grant you the status of HP scanner expert. :-))

>
>
>Voytek
>Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan
>
>

> 

>
>.
>
>  
>

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:23:58 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p 
>running here with Tame/2.

Ah! So that's the difference. And George Bush didn't have anything to do with
it! <g> 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:54:24
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:14:45 +0100

> Sorry guys, Copyshop/2 _only_ handles scsi devices.

yes, 
or, to be more precise, Dan deSoto's Danmar driver only supports SCSI HP scanners.

Voytek
Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:00:25
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100

> I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-) 
>  
> The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p  
> running here with Tame/2.

now that I think of it, the HP-supplied SCSI card had a DB25 connector, not unlike, a,
whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer port.

and, if memory serves me right, HP supplied also a DB25 to Amphenol connector, again,not unlike, a,
whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer cable.

To an unititiated, it would look, just like a //,
I suspect that's how the confusion arose.

then again, it's a nice thought Ed had

Voytek
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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:08:42 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Java 1.41

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:20 +1100 (EDT), David Forrester wrote:

>My test for Java in the browser is
><http://games.yahoo dot com/games/downloads/tx.html>.  It works well with
>Innotek's Java.  As does the St George Bank's internet banking.
>--
>David Forrester

Went to the above site. Is Text Twist a Java program?  It came up on the screen OK. 
All the other games were for windows98.

Alan

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:09:25
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:20:16 +0100

> From now on, I'll grant you the status of HP scanner expert. :-))

make it a fond HP vintage scanner expert, OK ?

hmmmm, with cars, we have, what, veteran, vintage after, is it...? 25/15 years ??

how shall we delinate old computer gear ? rather than junk ?

I'm still using my ancient 2P with, (bless you Paul Balme for adding ADF support!!!) ADF.

If I recall, the ADF alone cost like... about A$1200.

but, a HP scanner with ADF with CS/2 and PMfax, what a trio !

I saw one in a junk shop the other day, I might buy it for a spare.

Voytek
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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:13:31 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100
>
>>I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-)  
>>The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p  
>>running here with Tame/2.
>>    
>>
>
>now that I think of it, the HP-supplied SCSI card had a DB25 connector, not unlike, a, whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer port.
>
>and, if memory serves me right, HP supplied also a DB25 to Amphenol connector, again,not unlike, a, whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer cable.
>
>
>To an unititiated, it would look, just like a //, I suspect that's how the confusion arose.
>
>then again, it's a nice thought Ed had
>
>Voytek
>  
>
Hi Voytek,

So what *IS* Alan Duval running?

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:15:48 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>
>
>Alan Duval schreef:
>Copyshop/2 can't handle parallel port scanners.
>
>-- 
>Groeten uit Gent,
>
>   Kris

My apology. Mixing up my HP printer and HP 4Pscanner.
The scanner has a SCSI card.  I thought the large connector was  to a parallel port.

Alan 

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:17:51 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:14:45 +0100
>
>
>  
>
>>Sorry guys, Copyshop/2 _only_ handles scsi devices.
>>    
>>
>
>yes, 
>or, to be more precise, Dan deSoto's Danmar driver only supports SCSI HP scanners.
>
>  
>
Quite right.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:22:42 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100
>
>
>  
>
>>I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-) 
>> 
>>The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p  
>>running here with Tame/2.
>>    
>>
>
>now that I think of it, the HP-supplied SCSI card had a DB25 connector, not unlike, a,
>whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer port.
>
>  
>

The HP4p and 4c scanners do have a centronics as well as a db25 
"outlet". The db 25 was in the first place meant for the MAC systems.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:29:05 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Voytek Eymont schreef:

>** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:20:16 +0100
>
>
>  
>
>>From now on, I'll grant you the status of HP scanner expert. :-))
>>    
>>
>
>make it a fond HP vintage scanner expert, OK ?
>  
>
Of course.
_ALL_  HP scanners are vintage now. The devices now put on the market by 
Compaq (disguised as HP-new) are Avision scanners (disguised as 
HP-scanners).

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:30:42 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Mike O'Connor schreef:

>
> So what *IS* Alan Duval running?
>
For sure he isn't using a parallel port scanner.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:33:43 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  More questions on scanners now HP5100C

Alan Duval schreef:

>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Copyshop/2 can't handle parallel port scanners.
>>
>>    
>>
>My apology. Mixing up my HP printer and HP 4Pscanner.
>The scanner has a SCSI card.  I thought the large connector was  to a parallel port.
>
>  
>
Your HP4 has a centronics (// port) as well as a db 25 outlet. You can 
use both outlets, provided the scsi-cable has a suitable connection to 
the scsi card.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:55:16 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re:  Java 1.41

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:08:42 +1100 (AEDT), Alan Duval wrote:

>
>Went to the above site. Is Text Twist a Java program?  It came up on the screen OK. 
>All the other games were for windows98.

Yes, Text Twist is a Java program.  And, as you saw it come up, that
says that Java is working for you.

--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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