Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 778
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:01:02 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 14 January 2004
 Number  778
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-  Gobsmacked : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
3  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-  Gobsmacked : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS : David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
6  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
7  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
8  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
9  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
10  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
11  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
12  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
13  Re:  OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
14  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:02:18 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

Hi John,

  I don't hold out much hope of you finding a new SCSI based flatbed scanner with adaptec card
nowadays, they're almost all USB attached now. I (and a few others) were lucky enough to be able to
"snap up" a $99 brand new Canon FB620S with adaptec SCSI card a couple of years ago but even then
it was difficult to find SCSI attached scanners. I believe support for parrallel port scanners is
now included in the OS/2 port of SANE and I keep thinking about trying my Plustek OpticPro out but
since the Canon works perfectly, I never seem to find the time !

  You should be able to pick up an adaptec 2940 card at a computer meet for $40-$50 without too
much problems though. It needs to be a 2940 if you want tio boot off a HD also attached to the
card, the 2910 for example, has no Bios and hence will not boot.

  Cheers/2

  Ed.

John Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:39:07 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> Hi Ed and all.
>
>  we still couldn't get the connection right: either the card was not found
> by the BIOS and the machine tried to boot from a floppy or CD (the hard drive
> is on the same card) OR the settings stumped the card and it refused to allow
> the boot process to go any further <sigh>
>
> So, despite the "fact" that the scanner is theoretically supported by the
> SANE/TAME combo, Ed is almost right: I'm on the hunt for a flat-bed SCSI
> scanner with it's own card - probably adaptec.

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:42:40 +1000
From:  Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
Subject:   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-  Gobsmacked

Hi all

At work they run NT desktops, and having taken some work photos I 
attempted to have my work computer dowmload the images.

Naturally it didn't happen.

Maybe the USB ports are not USB 2.0

Anyway they don't like individualism on the network, and so they have 
limited the settings and system info access, so what is available on a 
normal desktop installation is not available here.

But while trying to find out what type of USB was fitted I got into the 
system properties

And there in the Environment page is a Syatem variable Os2LibPath 
C:\WINNT\system32\os2\dll;

I never expexted that.

Regards
Dennis

Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
Repair & Maintenance

Contact Details:
        Help Desk       03 5950 7763
        Workshop        03 5950 7484
        Fax             03 5950 7934

        Email:          dennis.nolan at defence.gov.au

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:53 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-  Gobsmacked

1. NT doesn't natively support USB - not likely that Microsoft will ever support it as it doesn't support NT 
anymore.  To get USB support you are forced as an organisation to upgrade to Win 2000 or XP.

2. NT has always had a basic OS/2 subsystem -- only supported 16bit text mode apps.  Eg you could run 
Word 5.5 or 5.0 as an os/2 text mode app under NT.  Word has it that MS did have an addon to allow 
Presentation Manager apps to run under NT - but it would be almost impossible to come across now.

David

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:42:40 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:

>Hi all
>
>At work they run NT desktops, and having taken some work photos I 
>attempted to have my work computer dowmload the images.
>
>Naturally it didn't happen.
>
>Maybe the USB ports are not USB 2.0
>
>Anyway they don't like individualism on the network, and so they have 
>limited the settings and system info access, so what is available on a 
>normal desktop installation is not available here.
>
>But while trying to find out what type of USB was fitted I got into the 
>system properties
>
>And there in the Environment page is a Syatem variable Os2LibPath 
>C:\WINNT\system32\os2\dll;
>
>I never expexted that.
>
>Regards
>Dennis
>
>Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
>Repair & Maintenance
>
>Contact Details:
>        Help Desk       03 5950 7763
>        Workshop        03 5950 7484
>        Fax             03 5950 7934
>
>        Email:          dennis.nolan at defence.gov.au
>
>
>LEGAL NOTICE
>IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence 
>Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the 
>Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are 
>requested to contact the sender and delete the email
>[attachments have been removed]

> 

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:07:21 +1000
From:  "David Shearer" <dshe5874 at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS

I especially like the "save to PDF" option - I have tried it on a basic Word document and it worked really well.  
Sure the system is a bit slow to load but so was Staroffice 5.1 as I recall.  I run it on eCs 1.1 and a P3 
450mhz.

It probably also needs import filters for Smartsuite documents as well - but it has excellent Excel and Word 
support.

David

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:35:47 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote:

>David Shearer wrote:
>
>>In one word - yes - easy to install, flawless, so far no crashes etc. If this is the beta what will the GA look 
>>like??
>>
>>David
>>
>>On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:51:59 +1100, voytek at sbt dot net dot au wrote:
>>
>>>>For those that haven't seen this yet, OpenOffice v1.1 Beta 1 is now
>>>>available for OS/2 & eCS from
>>>>http://www.innotek.de/products/openofficeos2/beta/
>>>>
>>>so what;s it like, worth downloading ?
>>>
>
>Hi David,
>
>That's an encouraging note.
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>Failed the exam for
>--------------------
>MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
>--------------------
>[ISP blocks *.exe attachments]
>[Please use zipped versions of above]
>
>

> 

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:48 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

Hi John,
Google also being my friend, quickly found this to be an Ultra-Wide, 3 
connector card.

Having had some painful experiences with a similiarly configured Adaptec 
AHA2940UW, you cannot connect devices to all 3 connectors simultaneously.
You mention you couldn't get the connection right, I suspect the above 
is why.

Here is a sample layout of a typical termination.
Note this sample does not use the external connection since both 
internal connectors are used. Could you supply your configuration?

2940UW controller
Wide & narrow devices connected to both 50 & 68pin headers:
     n          n         w      w
|--------|----------||-------|-----|
CD-ROM   Tape   Controller   HDD   Terminator
                                    (Active)

This is achieved by enabling the high-side termination on the controller 
card & disabling the low-side.
Termination power for the active terminator is provided by the tape unit.

John Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:39:07 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed and all.
> 
> After some 
> a) checking of the card software utility
> b) web searching - successful
> and
> c) fiddling around
> 
> the final upshot is
> a) I discovered the card was a 956C doh! - better since all termination
> settings are software settable
> b) we found an excellent PDF manual online - still referring to support for
> OS/2 AND quite detailed
> and yet
> c) we still couldn't get the connection right: either the card was not found
> by the BIOS and the machine tried to boot from a floppy or CD (the hard drive
> is on the same card) OR the settings stumped the card and it refused to allow
> the boot process to go any further <sigh>
>
SNIP

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:59:55 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

> Having had some painful experiences with a similiarly configured Adaptec
> AHA2940UW, you cannot connect devices to all 3 connectors simultaneously.
> You mention you couldn't get the connection right, I suspect the above
> is why.

if you want to connect to *all* *three*, you need UW2940UWP

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Date:  Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:57:03 -0500
From:  "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

In <40044ECA.C8E76B37 at bigpond dot net dot au>, on 01/14/04 at 07:02 AM,
   Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> said:

>Hi John,

>  I don't hold out much hope of you finding a new SCSI based flatbed
>scanner with adaptec card nowadays, they're almost all USB attached now.

Not with a card or cable maybe, but HP still has a SCSI scanjet available
- 7450c  though it is pricey at a list of $699 USD.  It is also USB.  I
wonder if CopyShop/2 would work with this scanner?  Eventually I will have
to replace my HP 5P and I will greatly miss being able to use CS/2.

Mark

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:08:06 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

Mark Dodel schreef:

>Not with a card or cable maybe, but HP still has a SCSI scanjet available
>- 7450c  though it is pricey at a list of $699 USD.  It is also USB.  I
>wonder if CopyShop/2 would work with this scanner? 
>  
>
No way, as the 7450 isn't a HP but an Avision in disguise. Have a look at:

http://www.sane-project dot org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:06:01 -0500
From:  "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

In <40049676.9040807 at hccnet.nl>, on 01/14/04 at 02:08 AM,
   Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> said:

>Mark Dodel schreef:

>>Not with a card or cable maybe, but HP still has a SCSI scanjet available
>>- 7450c  though it is pricey at a list of $699 USD.  It is also USB.  I
>>wonder if CopyShop/2 would work with this scanner? 
>>  
>>
>No way, as the 7450 isn't a HP but an Avision in disguise. Have a look
>at:

>http://www.sane-project dot org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html

Sigh.  That's a damn shame.  All that money and its not a real scanjet.

Mark

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:02:30 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:48 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>
>Having had some painful experiences with a similiarly configured Adaptec 
>AHA2940UW, you cannot connect devices to all 3 connectors simultaneously.
>You mention you couldn't get the connection right, I suspect the above 
>is why.

Hi Daryl, sorry to put you to that fiddly typing of the diagram but the
detailed and excellent manual explained all that. 

No we only have one device on the card - 36Gb Seagate hard drive, so adding
one external device stayed within the limitations.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:23:26 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

Hi John,
I had this diagram floating around from a previous project.
Its good to know that you weren't using all 3 connectors.
What sort of cable are you using to connect the MFS-8000SP to the BT-956C?
I'm assuming you have a Honda 68 connector for the BT-956C end & 
Centronics 50 for the MFS-8000SP end?
Is the HDD 68pin or 50pin SCSI?

John Angelico wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:48 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> 
>>Having had some painful experiences with a similiarly configured Adaptec 
>>AHA2940UW, you cannot connect devices to all 3 connectors simultaneously.
>>You mention you couldn't get the connection right, I suspect the above 
>>is why.
> 
> 
> Hi Daryl, sorry to put you to that fiddly typing of the diagram but the
> detailed and excellent manual explained all that. 
> 
> No we only have one device on the card - 36Gb Seagate hard drive, so adding
> one external device stayed within the limitations.
>

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:28:32 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:23:26 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>Hi John,
>I had this diagram floating around from a previous project.
>Its good to know that you weren't using all 3 connectors.
>What sort of cable are you using to connect the MFS-8000SP to the BT-956C?
>I'm assuming you have a Honda 68 connector for the BT-956C end & 
>Centronics 50 for the MFS-8000SP end?
>Is the HDD 68pin or 50pin SCSI?
>

Daryl, it's a fat cable 68 to Centronics yes. And I have a terminator
Centronics-Centronics that can be plugged in at the scanner end of the cable
(b/w scanner and cable).

The HDD is actually an 80pin unit and I had to spend over $50 on a special
cable to go 80 to 68 to fit the card. The only other alternative was to spend
over $100 for a new card with an 80-pin connector.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:34:03 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS

I wouldn't hold your breath for Smartsuite import filters ! It wont get any. You'll have to to export your Smartsuite
documents into a format that Open Office supports and then read them in that way and then save in whichever format
you want.

Cheers/2

Ed.

David Shearer wrote:

> I especially like the "save to PDF" option - I have tried it on a basic Word document and it worked really well.
> Sure the system is a bit slow to load but so was Staroffice 5.1 as I recall.  I run it on eCs 1.1 and a P3
> 450mhz.
>
> It probably also needs import filters for Smartsuite documents as well - but it has excellent Excel and Word
> support.
>
> David

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Date:  Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:18:50 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re:  SCSI Scanner on BT-946C SCSI card s/be 956C card

Mark Dodel schreef:

>In <40049676.9040807 at hccnet.nl>, on 01/14/04 at 02:08 AM,
>   Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> said:
>
>  
>
>>Mark Dodel schreef:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>Not with a card or cable maybe, but HP still has a SCSI scanjet available
>>>- 7450c  though it is pricey at a list of $699 USD.  It is also USB.  I
>>>wonder if CopyShop/2 would work with this scanner? 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>No way, as the 7450 isn't a HP but an Avision in disguise. Have a look
>>at:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>http://www.sane-project dot org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html
>>    
>>
>
>
>Sigh.  That's a damn shame.  All that money and its not a real scanjet.
>
>
>  
>
"Scanjet" is a thing of the past. You know, HP isn't HP anymore but 
ComPaq-HP, and the new firm just kept the "HP" for keaping appearances.

-- 
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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