Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 756
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:01:02 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 22 December 2003
 Number  756
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Opening Drives folders hangs system : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2   Dial-Up ISP Problems : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
3  Re:  Opening Drives folders hangs system : Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
8  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
11   ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems : Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
12  Re:  Java : Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
13  Re:  Java : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
14  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
15  Re:  ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
16   Living Without Microsoft : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:41:31 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Opening Drives folders hangs system

Thanks Alan,

 The problem you describe is mostly when applications are loading, mine is a bit different as it is definately
related to the drives/folders  opening, which I think is more related to the system OS itself.

 In your case, I'd suspect the original memory and rather than adding extra memory, I'd replace the existing
memory DIMMs. A static shock when the DIMMs were originally installed can often cause problems 6 months, a
year or even 2 or more years later as the damaged (and hence thinner) track within the DIMMs heats up as
current goes through it, hence it's resistance changes (which can cause memory read errors) and eventualy
breaks. Unfortunately there has never been a 100% accurate memory testing program, however as many people who
assemble or upgrade PCs don't take anti-static precautions, this kind of problme is quite common (and very
difficult to prove blame).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Alan Duval wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:46:53 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >   I've had this problem for months, no years, - Just sometimes when I
> >open a directory in drives either during or after expanding the
> >directory, the whole system hangs and the only solution is C-A-D. I
> >only have this problem on Warp 4 CP2, I don't have it on eComstation.
> >I suspect it may be one of the "enhances" that I am running (NPS WPS
> >and WE). Does anyone else have this problem or is it only on my system
> >?? Is there an y suggested fix ??
>
> I have had a problem with eCs 1.1 which is somewhat similar. When opening Mozilla 1.4 the system hangs
> when 1/2 the screen is loaded. Also the same thing happens when, in Lotus Word Pro, I try to open letters
> stored in J:\Letters. I have even had , horror of horrors, the blue screen of death occurring. The problem
> doesn't seem to be occurring if I open these in minimised form. I have just wiped the whole system and
> reinstalled it from an image and put another 256 MB of RAM in to see if it solves the problem.
>
> Alan Duval
>

>  

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Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:21:12 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:   Dial-Up ISP Problems

Hi All

I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.

It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early evening.

I had no problem until they changed to a national dial in number.
The local Rosebud number had no problems.

I've talked to their helpline and sent e-mail to them, and am still 
working up the chain past the "Technicians" who seem to think my modem 
initialisation string or firmware is the problem.
Though they get upset when I point out that before the phone number 
change there was no problem, and that I didn't know that them changing 
the phone number changed my modem settings.

I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that 
had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.

Regards and merry Christmas to all,
Dennis.

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Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:19:33 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amoht at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Opening Drives folders hangs system

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:41:31 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Thanks Alan,
>
> The problem you describe is mostly when applications are loading, mine is a bit different as it is definately
>related to the drives/folders  opening, which I think is more related to the system OS itself.
>
> In your case, I'd suspect the original memory and rather than adding extra memory, I'd replace the existing
>memory DIMMs. A static shock when the DIMMs were originally installed can often cause problems 6 
months, a
>year or even 2 or more years later as the damaged (and hence thinner) track within the DIMMs heats up as
>current goes through it, hence it's resistance changes (which can cause memory read errors) and eventualy
>breaks. Unfortunately there has never been a 100% accurate memory testing program, however as many 
people who
>assemble or upgrade PCs don't take anti-static precautions, this kind of problme is quite common (and very
>difficult to prove blame).
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.

Thanks Ed,

I'll replace the original memory DIMMS. You are probably right as I suspect the problem is hardware related as 
I've been having similar problems in Win95. I used a wrist strap earthed to the case to put in the recent 
DIMM. Last year I had an extra 64 MB of RAM installed at the local computer shop so they probably caused 
the problem.

Alan

>
>Alan Duval wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:46:53 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >   I've had this problem for months, no years, - Just sometimes when I
>> >open a directory in drives either during or after expanding the
>> >directory, the whole system hangs and the only solution is C-A-D. I
>> >only have this problem on Warp 4 CP2, I don't have it on eComstation.
>> >I suspect it may be one of the "enhances" that I am running (NPS WPS
>> >and WE). Does anyone else have this problem or is it only on my system
>> >?? Is there an y suggested fix ??
>>
>> I have had a problem with eCs 1.1 which is somewhat similar. When opening Mozilla 1.4 the system hangs
>> when 1/2 the screen is loaded. Also the same thing happens when, in Lotus Word Pro, I try to open letters
>> stored in J:\Letters. I have even had , horror of horrors, the blue screen of death occurring. The problem
>> doesn't seem to be occurring if I open these in minimised form. I have just wiped the whole system and
>> reinstalled it from an image and put another 256 MB of RAM in to see if it solves the problem.
>>
>> Alan Duval
>>
>
>>  
>
>

> 

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**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:56:58 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

S91=13, increases the signal output transmit level by your modem from the default
level 10 DbM, this often helps a bit on less efficient phone connections.

Add this to your initialisation string.

Also which dialer are you using ? If you are using the IBM "dial-other-providers"
dialer, you may wish to download the free Injoy dialer from http://www.fx.dk - this is
the best modem dialer bar none (In my humble opinion).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.
>
> It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early evening.
>
> I had no problem until they changed to a national dial in number.
> The local Rosebud number had no problems.
>
> I've talked to their helpline and sent e-mail to them, and am still
> working up the chain past the "Technicians" who seem to think my modem
> initialisation string or firmware is the problem.
> Though they get upset when I point out that before the phone number
> change there was no problem, and that I didn't know that them changing
> the phone number changed my modem settings.
>
> I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that
> had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.
>
> Regards and merry Christmas to all,
> Dennis.
>

>  

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Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:45:58 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

Ed Durrant wrote:

>S91=13, increases the signal output transmit level by your modem from the default
>level 10 DbM, this often helps a bit on less efficient phone connections.
>
>Add this to your initialisation string.
>
>Also which dialer are you using ? If you are using the IBM "dial-other-providers"
>dialer, you may wish to download the free Injoy dialer from http://www.fx.dk - this is
>the best modem dialer bar none (In my humble opinion).
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All
>>
>>I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.
>>
>>It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early evening.
>>
>>I had no problem until they changed to a national dial in number.
>>The local Rosebud number had no problems.
>>
>>I've talked to their helpline and sent e-mail to them, and am still
>>working up the chain past the "Technicians" who seem to think my modem
>>initialisation string or firmware is the problem.
>>Though they get upset when I point out that before the phone number
>>change there was no problem, and that I didn't know that them changing
>>the phone number changed my modem settings.
>>
>>I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that
>>had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.
>>
>>Regards and merry Christmas to all,
>>Dennis.
>>    
>>

Hi Ed,
I completely agree with the recommendation/evaluation, but since when is 
Injoy Dialler  *FREE*? It [as version 2.30] came licenced with eCS 1.0, 
and for previous registered owners the V3.0 Beta [maybe the GA release 
also] will accept the previous licence key, although it no longer says 
registered to ....., but doesn't have any nag screens, and doesn't 
expire - but also isn't valid for updates beyond 3.0.  i think that V3.0 
GA has a fully functional 30-day evaluation period.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:04:14 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

Unfortunately it seems with v 3.x you're correct Mike.

The previous v 2 (SOHO Single/2 user edition), although you could register it to get extra
features, it would not stop working or bring up "nag screens" if you didn't. It seems that
Bjarn has decided to charge even for the SOHO version with version 3.x ($35 US I guess),
however it is still possible to download a copy to try for 30 days at no cost.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >Also which dialer are you using ? If you are using the IBM "dial-other-providers"
> >dialer, you may wish to download the free Injoy dialer from http://www.fx.dk - this is
> >the best modem dialer bar none (In my humble opinion).
>

> >Dennis Nolan wrote:
> >>I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.
> >>It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early evening.
> >>I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that
> >>had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.
> >>
>
> Hi Ed,
> I completely agree with the recommendation/evaluation, but since when is
> Injoy Dialler  *FREE*? It [as version 2.30] came licenced with eCS 1.0,
> and for previous registered owners the V3.0 Beta [maybe the GA release
> also] will accept the previous licence key, although it no longer says
> registered to ....., but doesn't have any nag screens, and doesn't
> expire - but also isn't valid for updates beyond 3.0.  i think that V3.0
> GA has a fully functional 30-day evaluation period.
> -
> Regards,
> Mike

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:12:09 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

Ed Durrant wrote:

>S91=13, increases the signal output transmit level by your modem from the default
>level 10 DbM, this often helps a bit on less efficient phone connections.
>
>Add this to your initialisation string.
>
>Also which dialer are you using ? If you are using the IBM "dial-other-providers"
>dialer, you may wish to download the free Injoy dialer from http://www.fx.dk - this is
>the best modem dialer bar none (In my humble opinion).
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All
>>
>>I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.
>>
>>It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early evening.
>>
>>I had no problem until they changed to a national dial in number.
>>The local Rosebud number had no problems.
>>
>>I've talked to their helpline and sent e-mail to them, and am still
>>working up the chain past the "Technicians" who seem to think my modem
>>initialisation string or firmware is the problem.
>>Though they get upset when I point out that before the phone number
>>change there was no problem, and that I didn't know that them changing
>>the phone number changed my modem settings.
>>
>>I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that
>>had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.
>>
>>Regards and merry Christmas to all,
>>Dennis.
>>

>> 

>>    
>>
>

> 

>
>.
>
>  
>
Thanks all

I'll try the S91=13 and see how it goes.

I am using the eCSoNet which came free with eCS 1.1, IMO it is unbelievable.

However Alphalink has suggested I get a MOLDs test performed.

Three questions spring to mind, what is it and how do I get one done and 
what is it going to cost me???

I'll test the new modem string in the morning.

What really gets me is their absolute refusal to entertain the 
possibility that it's not my system or modem, despite sending them trace 
file info that shows the modem reporting NO CARRIER.
To me that indicates that my modem is still operating and that the 
carrier which is coming from their equipment is not reaching my modem. 
The tendency for the duration of the connection to be shortest during 
business hours also strengthens my suspicions re their or telstra's 
equipment not being able to cope.

However I could be completely wrong, but they completely ignore the 
trace dumps, so I really wonder if anyone there has ever studied them.

Regards
Dennis

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:25:41 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

Ed Durrant wrote:

>Unfortunately it seems with v 3.x you're correct Mike.
>
>The previous v 2 (SOHO Single/2 user edition), although you could register it to get extra features, it would not stop working or bring up "nag screens" if you didn't. It seems that Bjarn has decided to charge even for the SOHO version with version 3.x ($35 US I guess),
>however it is still possible to download a copy to try for 30 days at no cost.
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>>Ed Durrant wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Also which dialer are you using ? If you are using the IBM "dial-other-providers"
>>>dialer, you may wish to download the free Injoy dialer from http://www.fx.dk - this is
>>>the best modem dialer bar none (In my humble opinion).
>>>      
>>>
>>>Dennis Nolan wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.
>>>>It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early evening.
>>>>I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that
>>>>had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.
>>>>
>>Hi Ed,
>>I completely agree with the recommendation/evaluation, but since when is Injoy Dialler  *FREE*? It [as version 2.30] came licenced with eCS 1.0, and for previous registered owners the V3.0 Beta [maybe the GA release also] will accept the previous licence key, although it no longer says registered to ....., but doesn't have any nag screens, and doesn't expire - but also isn't valid for updates beyond 3.0.  I think that V3.0 GA has a fully functional 30-day evaluation period.
>>-
>>Regards,
>>Mike
>>    
>>

Hi Ed,
Yes, but it's worth it even at twice the price - when you compare the 
facilities with what's available on those other Operating Systems!

I think I started about Version 1.70 or thereabouts and upgraded 
progressively - so have my own licenced 2.30 [Extended Client] which 
covered up to and including the 3.0 Final Beta for sure, and I'll find 
out after a couple more weeks whether that also applies to the V3.0GA 
edition, and also the eCS-licenced V2.30 [can't remember offhand what 
level that came with].

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:29:47 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

I've never used eCsoNet, so I can't comment - is this the modified PMISDN of a few years
ago ? I know it was planned to be expanded to cover cable and DSL but I didn't think it
covered POTS ("plain old telephone system" - this is an accepted valid abreviation, not my
comment by the way) as well.

MOLD is a signal strength measurement performed by Telstra to test out lines. However,
unless anything has changed, POTS lines are only rated at 2400 bps and as long as they can
transfer data at that rate, the PTT is providing the contracted service. If you are using a
56K modem on the line and not getting 56k (you never will get 56k), let say you're only
getting 40k with drop outs, then the reply can (quite correctly) be you should not run at
faster than 2400 bps. If you read the small print on your ISPs contract, there will be
something in there about it.

Another approach with your ISP, since you now have to call a national number, is why should
you stay with them ? You selected them BECAUSE OF THE LOCAL NUMBER on technical grounds and
as such can assume the right to break contract at no penalty and switch to another supplier
with a national or local number who can support you better ! That's how I would try to
pressure them into providing support (I'm not sure how you actually stand legally, it
depends upon what is said in the contract you signed (assuming you signed a long term
contract - if now, switch on principal !).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Thanks all
>
> I'll try the S91=13 and see how it goes.
>
> I am using the eCSoNet which came free with eCS 1.1, IMO it is unbelievable.
>
> However Alphalink has suggested I get a MOLDs test performed.
>
> Three questions spring to mind, what is it and how do I get one done and
> what is it going to cost me???
>
> I'll test the new modem string in the morning.
>
> What really gets me is their absolute refusal to entertain the
> possibility that it's not my system or modem, despite sending them trace
> file info that shows the modem reporting NO CARRIER.
> To me that indicates that my modem is still operating and that the
> carrier which is coming from their equipment is not reaching my modem.
> The tendency for the duration of the connection to be shortest during
> business hours also strengthens my suspicions re their or telstra's
> equipment not being able to cope.
>
> However I could be completely wrong, but they completely ignore the
> trace dumps, so I really wonder if anyone there has ever studied them.
>
> Regards
> Dennis

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**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:56:12 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

Dennis Nolan wrote:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> S91=13, increases the signal output transmit level by your modem from 
>> the default
>> level 10 DbM, this often helps a bit on less efficient phone 
>> connections.
>>
>> Add this to your initialisation string.
>>
>> Also which dialer are you using ? If you are using the IBM 
>> "dial-other-providers"
>> dialer, you may wish to download the free Injoy dialer from 
>> http://www.fx.dk - this is
>> the best modem dialer bar none (In my humble opinion).
>>
>> Cheers/2
>
> Thanks all
>
> I'll try the S91=13 and see how it goes.
>
> I am using the eCSoNet which came free with eCS 1.1, IMO it is 
> unbelievable.
>
> However Alphalink has suggested I get a MOLDs test performed.
>
> Three questions spring to mind, what is it and how do I get one done 
> and what is it going to cost me???
>
> I'll test the new modem string in the morning.
>
> What really gets me is their absolute refusal to entertain the 
> possibility that it's not my system or modem, despite sending them 
> trace file info that shows the modem reporting NO CARRIER.
> To me that indicates that my modem is still operating and that the 
> carrier which is coming from their equipment is not reaching my modem. 
> The tendency for the duration of the connection to be shortest during 
> business hours also strengthens my suspicions re their or telstra's 
> equipment not being able to cope.
>
> However I could be completely wrong, but they completely ignore the 
> trace dumps, so I really wonder if anyone there has ever studied them.
>
> Regards
> Dennis
>

Hi Dennis,
I wasted about 4 years with Telstra having MOLDS tests done - they 
doesn't cost you anything and that's exactly what they're worth - the 
Telstra MOLDS test allocates your telephone number a temporary 
authorisation to dial the 1800 xxxxxx number, which in your dialler 
terminal window puts up a dialogue box to enter your current phone 
number, and then turns the line around and sends a whole bunch of ASCII 
text - from memory a series of blocks of 0x0d [carriage return] and runs 
it at various distortion levels to see what the dB loss is along the 
line - the test here in Tweed Heads actually routed the traffic to 
Melbourne via Townsville - Telstra aren't *obliged* to have your PSTN 
line running any better than 19,200 bps, it used to be 2,400 was rated 
good enough for them.

Until I had ISDN-at-home connected, at which time Telstra agreed the 
copper quality to the exchange, 5832m away at Banora Point, was 
inadequate to sustain a Digital line, without a booster for my 
*new*specific, individual, telephone line, they had always said that my 
equipment , blah, blah,   was the problem - after I got the ISDN when 
connection was on a special last Christmas period for only $99 - vice 
$344 or so normally - my voice line also lost all the snap/crackle/pop 
that had plagued it but which was blamed by Telstra on the handset(s) - 
still in use and now perfect.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:38:54 +1100
From:  "Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems

Mike,
   I have just had the Telstra techie advise me to
switch to ISDN-at-home here on the farm 8km
from the exchange in Gippsland, Vic.He said he
could put a booster in our line to the exchange
enabling ISDN 2 channel capability where ADSL
is unobtainable. I was going to ask Ian all about
it as I think his OS2Site is on ISDN....but you
can tell me just as well. We will be able to drop
the second (modem) line we have, but I guess we
need a ISDN modem & s'ware . Are you with
BigPond ? Is your interface OS/2 or Windows
or Linux ? Is a small lan a problem ? Are you
utilising 64k for your internet connection and do
you initialise voice over? It's all new to me so
your advice would be welcome. I have read the
stuff at the BigPond site.
   We could take this off-group if it's too specific.
Currently I'm with Austar ( the country Foxtel )
via sattelite for TV only, but they act as ISP for
normal dial-up. They do not offer ISDN.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

> Until I had ISDN-at-home connected, at which time Telstra agreed the
> copper quality to the exchange, 5832m away at Banora Point, was
> inadequate to sustain a Digital line, without a booster for my
> *new*specific, individual, telephone line, they had always said that my
> equipment , blah, blah,   was the problem - after I got the ISDN when
> connection was on a special last Christmas period for only $99 - vice
> $344 or so normally - my voice line also lost all the snap/crackle/pop
> that had plagued it but which was blamed by Telstra on the handset(s) -
> still in use and now perfect.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> Failed the exam for
> --------------------
> MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
> --------------------
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> [Please use zipped versions of above]
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>  

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**= Email   12 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:54:59 +1100
From:  "Michael Peters" <mpeters at austarnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Java

Ed,
   I have taken your advice and have installed
Innotek's 1.4.2. Everything's fine with Mozilla.
However, I cannot find a FAQ on what to do
with or how to treat  Java11 and Java131
directories, in spite of searching warpbrowsers
 at yahoo. Alan Duval asked you about this also.
Have you deleted the older stuff and are just
using Java142? How about a copy pf your
config Java lines...Path, Lib, Java2_home,
classpath, swingall etc. Or could you give me
a reference.
Incidentally, 142 broke my HotJava_3 browser,
although it's fixable within the batch cmd
file and fi, which I have
used for yonks (no frames) with DTOC.

With regds,

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Durrant" <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: Re:  Java

> IBM appear to have stopped development of Java at the 1.3.x level and in
gact
> recommend on the website, to use the Innotek product.
>
> Go with the Innotek Java 1.4.2 - It is an Odin-ised version of the SUN
Windoze
> product, rather than a total re-compile as in the case of the Golden Code
version.
>
> The advantage of this is 99.9 % compatibility - it a Java program runs
under the
> Windows version of SUNs Java, it'll run under the Innotek version. Another
advantage
> is "time to market". Innotek are talking about being a few DAYs behind the
Windows
> release. A complete compile and debug as Golden Code have to do can take
weeks or even
> months. Their release code is still at 1.41 not 1.42 level.
>
> It has been claimed that the "native code" will execute quicker. This is
probably true
> on low powered systems (sub 400 MHz) however on the average new system,
there's no
> difference.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Graham Norton wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I am not sure if there has been a thread on this recently, but if so
.....scold me!
> >
> > Java!
> >
> > there are 3 choices as I read it
> >
> > 1.      IBM ( Software Choice)
> > 2.      Innotek Java
> > 3       Goldencode Java
> >
> > thoughts from users as to preferences?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Graham
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >  
> 
>
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>  

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Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:11:53 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Java

I still have JAVA 131 installed. I need it for TCPCFG2.

There are NO entries in libpath, path etc. for the JAVA 142 directories only the
statement

SET JAVA2_USERHOME=c:\java142\bin

at the end of config.sys.

To use Java 142 I have to point spefically to it when running a JAVA application
(either from the command line or via a simple batch file).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Michael Peters wrote:

> Ed,
>    I have taken your advice and have installed
> Innotek's 1.4.2. Everything's fine with Mozilla.
> However, I cannot find a FAQ on what to do
> with or how to treat  Java11 and Java131
> directories, in spite of searching warpbrowsers
>  at yahoo. Alan Duval asked you about this also.
> Have you deleted the older stuff and are just
> using Java142? How about a copy pf your
> config Java lines...Path, Lib, Java2_home,
> classpath, swingall etc. Or could you give me
> a reference.
> Incidentally, 142 broke my HotJava_3 browser,
> although it's fixable within the batch cmd
> file and fi, which I have
> used for yonks (no frames) with DTOC.
>
> With regds,
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Durrant" <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re:  Java
>
> > IBM appear to have stopped development of Java at the 1.3.x level and in
> gact
> > recommend on the website, to use the Innotek product.
> >
> > Go with the Innotek Java 1.4.2 - It is an Odin-ised version of the SUN
> Windoze
> > product, rather than a total re-compile as in the case of the Golden Code
> version.
> >
> > The advantage of this is 99.9 % compatibility - it a Java program runs
> under the
> > Windows version of SUNs Java, it'll run under the Innotek version. Another
> advantage
> > is "time to market". Innotek are talking about being a few DAYs behind the
> Windows
> > release. A complete compile and debug as Golden Code have to do can take
> weeks or even
> > months. Their release code is still at 1.41 not 1.42 level.
> >
> > It has been claimed that the "native code" will execute quicker. This is
> probably true
> > on low powered systems (sub 400 MHz) however on the average new system,
> there's no
> > difference.
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> > Graham Norton wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I am not sure if there has been a thread on this recently, but if so
> ....scold me!
> > >
> > > Java!
> > >
> > > there are 3 choices as I read it
> > >
> > > 1.      IBM ( Software Choice)
> > > 2.      Innotek Java
> > > 3       Goldencode Java
> > >
> > > thoughts from users as to preferences?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> > >  

> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> >  
> 
>

>  

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**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:48:04 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems

Hi Dennis,
Working from a "Change Problem Determination" technique, either their 
modem access server is not compatable with your modem or some obscure 
TCP/IP setting is not compatible with their setup.

Their are 2 areas that need to be tuned:
1)
Tuning your modem to their access server.
2)
Once this is done, tune the TCP/IP link.

1) deals with really low-level things like:
Telephone line transmit level
Compression protocol
Error correction protocol

2) deals with TCP/IP parameters which are completely independent of the 
modem:- but the modem needs to be tuned 1st!

The technicians are pretty well on-track with their advice.
They have changed their infrastructure which is not playing nice with 
your modem. It is not practical or economic for them to fiddle with that 
infrastructure. It has been tuned for a Windows world, it is easier for 
you to fiddle with your modem to look like Windows Dial-Up Networking, 
(DUN).

O.K. with that said, could you be more specific with, "It drops off"
Does this mean your modem link disconnects, or does it just become 
slower with it finally disconnecting?

Could you please let me know what dialer you are using & what modem.
You can give me the exact modem information by issuing the following 
command to your modem:
ati3

Tell me what comes back.

Dennis Nolan wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> I am having terrible trouble with my Dial-In account.
> 
> It drops off, this is especially bad during business hours or early 
> evening.
> 
> I had no problem until they changed to a national dial in number.
> The local Rosebud number had no problems.
> 
> I've talked to their helpline and sent e-mail to them, and am still 
> working up the chain past the "Technicians" who seem to think my modem 
> initialisation string or firmware is the problem.
> Though they get upset when I point out that before the phone number 
> change there was no problem, and that I didn't know that them changing 
> the phone number changed my modem settings.
> 
> I just thought that if someone else had heard of a similar problem that 
> had been resolved, it may shorten my pain.
> 
> Regards and merry Christmas to all,
> Dennis.
>

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**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:57:38 +1000
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems

Michael Peters wrote:

>Mike,
>   I have just had the Telstra techie advise me to
>switch to ISDN-at-home here on the farm 8km
>from the exchange in Gippsland, Vic.He said he
>could put a booster in our line to the exchange
>enabling ISDN 2 channel capability where ADSL
>is unobtainable. I was going to ask Ian all about
>it as I think his OS2Site is on ISDN....but you
>can tell me just as well. We will be able to drop
>the second (modem) line we have, but I guess we
>need a ISDN modem & s'ware . Are you with
>BigPond ? Is your interface OS/2 or Windows
>or Linux ? Is a small lan a problem ? Are you
>utilising 64k for your internet connection and do
>you initialise voice over? It's all new to me so
>your advice would be welcome. I have read the
>stuff at the BigPond site.
>   We could take this off-group if it's too specific.
>Currently I'm with Austar ( the country Foxtel )
>via sattelite for TV only, but they act as ISP for
>normal dial-up. They do not offer ISDN.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
>To: <os2genau at os2 dot org dot au>
>Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:56 PM
>Subject: Re:  Dial-Up ISP Problems
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Until I had ISDN-at-home connected, at which time Telstra agreed the
>>copper quality to the exchange, 5832m away at Banora Point, was
>>inadequate to sustain a Digital line, without a booster for my
>>*new*specific, individual, telephone line, they had always said that my
>>equipment , blah, blah,   was the problem - after I got the ISDN when
>>connection was on a special last Christmas period for only $99 - vice
>>$344 or so normally - my voice line also lost all the snap/crackle/pop
>>that had plagued it but which was blamed by Telstra on the handset(s) -
>>still in use and now perfect.
>>
>>-- 
>>Regards,
>>Mike
>>    
>>

Hi Michael,
I'm with dodo dot com dot au as ISP, but my ISDN line(s) are courtesy of Telstra. 
I have just a single 64Kb/sec 'B' Channel +16Kb/sec 'D' channel 
[control], as with Dodo  - nationwide access for local call on 
0198333424 [in almost all cases it's a local call] - they don't offer 
MultiLink-PPP [128Kb] access for ISDN, and it costs me a base rate of 
$9.90/month with excess downloads over 70MB/month capped at $14/month - 
normal month is $23.90, any light one is only $9.90.  I still pay the 
same charge as when I was on analogue modem dial-up.

If at some time in the future Dodo offer  MLPPP [128Kb] a second digital 
data line would cost me an extra $4 per month from Telstra.  If I went 
to Telstra for ISP the minimum charge would be $24.95/month plus that's 
not capped for capacity.

Prior to having ISDN, the amount of connection charges for the multiple 
calls with carrier-loss and subsequent re-dials at 20-25 cents per call 
on my *single* PTSN line - either Internet/BBS or voice amounted to a 
heck of a lot more than I am paying for ISDN with a Digital quality data 
line plus a voice line both usable concurrently, so cost has decreased 
while facilities/quality have improved - a win/win situation.

ISDN-at-home is charged at 30 cents per hour of connection time [per 'B' 
channel]- no connection charge per call.  The 30 cents per hour is 
charged on a *per-second* basis - calls of under 120 seconds duration 
cost *nothing*. 

I run exclusively on OS/2-eCS - one of my MCP/2 systems runs the Injoy 
dialler with NAT and Dial-on-Demand activated and the www is available 
on every other machine on the LAN, as that machine is directly connected 
via RS-232C cable from COM2 to the ISDN line termination unit - an NT1 
Plus II which has an analogue phone jack [that you can plug an 
additional  regular modem into], a USB jack  and a 9-pin COMM port - 
that I'm using.  There is no separate modem/card required for ISDN, as 
there is effectively a digital modem built into the NT1 PlusII - just an 
ADC and DAC for the signal conversion.

Some months my total calls on DoD are up to about 8,000  - repeat 8,000 
- that would be impossible to do with a regular analogue modem on a PSTN 
line - for a charge around $10, mainly accounting for downloading 
fixpacks/IBMWB updates etc.

Ian is now on ADSL, from what I remember reading recently, with further 
speed upgrades upcoming.

I haven't had any involvement with Voice-over-IP whatsoever - as an OAP 
I'm not into that :-)

As I was in the same situation with no possible ADSL/Cable, I'd say go 
ahead - you won't regret it.

My son was one of the original Austar people - he was responsible for 
setting up all the Regional outlets in the early days - 
Darwin/Mt.Isa/Townsville/Mt.Gambier/Ballarat .....etc., and was their  
Network Communications Engineer based on the Gold Coast [HQ].

Hope this has answered all your queries.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:48:58 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Living Without Microsoft

Hi all.

I am hoping that Voytek will re-run his non-offensive seasons greetings
email again, since I can't find the one he sent last year.<g>

I am browsing around a bit to try out the new Innotek Freetype beta, which
looks good so far, and the Flash plugin for Firebird and Mozilla which I
finally installed correctly.

From Da Noo Joisy Star-Ledger via Newsforge comes this nice little
encouragement:

http://www.livingwithoutmicrosoft dot org/

Naturally it's mostly Leenux and Open Source, but the sentiment is OK. 

Read about it
here:
http://www.nj dot com/business/ledger/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1071989181263670
..xml

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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