Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 740
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:04:01 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Friday 05 December 2003
 Number  740
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
4  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
5  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
8  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
10  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:59:09 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails

Stan Pallis wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
>
> I think it's dial up account, as I recall telstra broadband uses  dot net dot au
>
>

Hi Stan - Telstra ADSL also use bigpond dot com  - ONLY Cable (and possibly satellite)uses
..NET

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:55:18 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

Thank for all the feedback guys.  Most appreciated.

Having read the eCS website, they do mention that "Upgardes" are not officially 
supported.  It was designed to install on a blank drive.  They also said that some 
people have had success installing over eCS 1.0 or CP1, but can't officially suport it.  I 
think I can live with broken objects; I have before.

>Latest discovery PMFax isn't receiving like it used to. I have to find out
>how to re-establish receiving mode, could be that I now have an external
>modem instead of my trusty old internal Banksia (no ISA in these new
>m/boards).

It could well be the external modem.  When I replaced my internal with the external I 
have now, it wouldn't send properly.  I ended up turning on all the options.  This is with 
Faxworks lite BTW.

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:36:23 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:55:18 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:

>>Latest discovery PMFax isn't receiving like it used to. I have to find out
>>how to re-establish receiving mode, could be that I now have an external
>>modem instead of my trusty old internal Banksia (no ISA in these new
>>m/boards).
>
>It could well be the external modem.  When I replaced my internal with the external I 
>have now, it wouldn't send properly.  I ended up turning on all the options.  This is with 
>Faxworks lite BTW.

Yes, fiddled last night (and read the online Help - always a help-ful
idea!<g>)

Switched on Alt-COM to bypass FMD.SYS and use the installed SIO drivers for
the com port. 

Now I see an extra light on the Netcomm 56K modem, an extra line in the
Status Window and I go "Aha!" to interpret that the FMD driver is great for
a) sending and b) internal modems which represent a COM port of their own,
but for external modems, all the smarts are external too, so FMD.SYS has
nothing to talk to. 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... You gotta know when to code 'em, know when to modem.
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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:55:54 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

Hi John,
The fmd.sys driver was useful in the bad-old-days of Warp 3 et-al when 
the com.sys driver was pretty ordinary.

These days, the out-of-the-box com.sys driver is just fine.
You should actually delete fmd.sys line from your config.sys.
Noticed you are using sio.sys, that's OK too, still better than com.sys, 
but I've never had a need to use it on a Warp 4 or higher PC.

Fax Rx & internal modems are much fussier with FaxWorks settings.
Class 1 usually works more reliably than the less CPU intensive class 2 
mode. Class 2 mode implementation in most modems is buggy or not quite 
upto spec, causing compatability problems.

You can still buy mobos with ISA slots, considering you had to fork out 
extra money for the external modem, would have been better spent on 
getting a mobo with an ISA slot, even if it cost you an extra $20.

Internal modems are a invariably a PITA to configure, but a tidy solution.

You should also ensure good lightning protection is on the phone-line 
before the internal modem, otherwise lightning could take out your whole PC!
Most UPSes have a protected telephone jack for this purpose.
Lesser quality modems can also lock-up, requiring a power-off to reset. 
This is not so convenient if this means turning off your PC.
Probably not so much of a problem for a workstation, compared to a server.

External modems are ugly, but a doddle to configure.
Lightning usually only takes out the modem!

John Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:55:18 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> 
>>>Latest discovery PMFax isn't receiving like it used to. I have to find out
>>>how to re-establish receiving mode, could be that I now have an external
>>>modem instead of my trusty old internal Banksia (no ISA in these new
>>>m/boards).
>>
>>It could well be the external modem.  When I replaced my internal with the external I 
>>have now, it wouldn't send properly.  I ended up turning on all the options.  This is with 
>>Faxworks lite BTW.
> 
> 
> Yes, fiddled last night (and read the online Help - always a help-ful
> idea!<g>)
> 
> Switched on Alt-COM to bypass FMD.SYS and use the installed SIO drivers for
> the com port. 
> 
> Now I see an extra light on the Netcomm 56K modem, an extra line in the
> Status Window and I go "Aha!" to interpret that the FMD driver is great for
> a) sending and b) internal modems which represent a COM port of their own,
> but for external modems, all the smarts are external too, so FMD.SYS has
> nothing to talk to. 
>
SNIP

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:50:50 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:55:54 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>Hi John,

Hi Daryl.

>The fmd.sys driver was useful in the bad-old-days of Warp 3 et-al when 
>the com.sys driver was pretty ordinary.
>
>These days, the out-of-the-box com.sys driver is just fine.
>You should actually delete fmd.sys line from your config.sys.

Good thought.

>Noticed you are using sio.sys, that's OK too, still better than com.sys, 
>but I've never had a need to use it on a Warp 4 or higher PC.
>

I am hardly ever using ZOC for the MelbPC BBS so it's only driving the fax
line now.

>Fax Rx & internal modems are much fussier with FaxWorks settings.
>Class 1 usually works more reliably than the less CPU intensive class 2 
>mode. Class 2 mode implementation in most modems is buggy or not quite 
>upto spec, causing compatability problems.

Just tested. Type 1 is the only one that works here.

>
>You can still buy mobos with ISA slots, considering you had to fork out 
>extra money for the external modem, would have been better spent on 
>getting a mobo with an ISA slot, even if it cost you an extra $20.

Already had the Netcomm. It was donation-ware from someone who didn't need
it anymore, so it became my fall-back spare unit in case the internal
failed (but it never did), or for use on the road. 

>Internal modems are a invariably a PITA to configure, but a tidy solution.

I keep hearing that but I have had internal Banksia's since the year
dot...never a problem. Had one failure through line spike, which allowed me
to upgrade from 14.4 to 33.6. Never bothered with anything else. Also had
one less power outlet to worry about and fewer cables snaking around my
feet <g>

>
>You should also ensure good lightning protection is on the phone-line 
>before the internal modem, otherwise lightning could take out your whole PC!
>Most UPSes have a protected telephone jack for this purpose.

Physical space and layout is messy so that isn't so easy to handle

>Lesser quality modems can also lock-up, requiring a power-off to reset. 

Only ever had the Banksia, so I don't know about lower-class modems <g>

>This is not so convenient if this means turning off your PC.
>Probably not so much of a problem for a workstation, compared to a server.
>
>External modems are ugly, but a doddle to configure.
>Lightning usually only takes out the modem!

According to the theory, although I have never had reason to worry here.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Misspelled? Impossible. My modem is error correcting.
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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:57:22 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:36:23 +1100 (AEDT), John Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:55:18 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> >>Latest discovery PMFax isn't receiving like it used to. I have to find out
> >>how to re-establish receiving mode, could be that I now have an external
> >>modem instead of my trusty old internal Banksia (no ISA in these new
> >>m/boards).
> >
> >It could well be the external modem.  When I replaced my internal with the external I 
> >have now, it wouldn't send properly.  I ended up turning on all the options.  This is with 
> >Faxworks lite BTW.

<SNIP>

John,
All modems can be set within their settings (and saved internally) to "Listen" or
pickup a phone line.  I can't remember the AT commands so I found a website.

So, if you can't get the software to do the job, you can tell the modem to do it.
I remember doing this years ago.

Here is a sample from:-
  http://fan.nb.ca/cfn/info/help/com-prog/modemcommandslist.html

The Basic Hayes Command Set - Alphabetical

AT$        HELP, Command Quick Reference (CTRL-S to Stop, CTRL-C to Cancel) 
&$	    HELP, Ampersand Commands 
A/	    Repeat last executed command. Use primarily to redial, AT nor [Rtrn] required 
AT	    Required Command mode prefix (Attention Modem) 
A	    Answer Call 

The last one is probably the one you want.
Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
5 December 2003   20:51

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:53:26 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

Bad move getting the modem to auto-answer.
If the software is is not running for any reason, the modem will still 
go off-hook, meaning the caller is charged for the call irrespective 
whether the fax is sucessful or not.

Always get the software to do it.

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:
 >
SNIP
> 
> John,
> All modems can be set within their settings (and saved internally) to "Listen" or
> pickup a phone line.  I can't remember the AT commands so I found a website.
> 
> So, if you can't get the software to do the job, you can tell the modem to do it.
> I remember doing this years ago.
> 
> Here is a sample from:-
>   http://fan.nb.ca/cfn/info/help/com-prog/modemcommandslist.html
> 
> The Basic Hayes Command Set - Alphabetical
> 
> AT$        HELP, Command Quick Reference (CTRL-S to Stop, CTRL-C to Cancel) 
> &$	    HELP, Ampersand Commands 
> A/	    Repeat last executed command. Use primarily to redial, AT nor [Rtrn] required 
> AT	    Required Command mode prefix (Attention Modem) 
> A	    Answer Call 
> 
SNIP

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:30:43 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:53:26 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> Bad move getting the modem to auto-answer.
> If the software is is not running for any reason, the modem will still 
> go off-hook, meaning the caller is charged for the call irrespective 
> whether the fax is sucessful or not.
> 
> Always get the software to do it.

IF.... IF the software CAN'T do it THEN try the modem way.

Besides, John could always buy shares in Telstra.!  :-)

And anyway, who gives a damn about the sender loosing 20 cents
or so.  

My 2 cents worth..  
Robert Traynor (BobT).
5 December 2003   22:29

> Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:
>  >
> SNIP
> > 
> > John,
> > All modems can be set within their settings (and saved internally) to "Listen" or
> > pickup a phone line.  I can't remember the AT commands so I found a website.
> > 
> > So, if you can't get the software to do the job, you can tell the modem to do it.
> > I remember doing this years ago.
> > 
> > Here is a sample from:-
> >   http://fan.nb.ca/cfn/info/help/com-prog/modemcommandslist.html
> > 
> > The Basic Hayes Command Set - Alphabetical
> > 
> > AT$        HELP, Command Quick Reference (CTRL-S to Stop, CTRL-C to Cancel) 
> > &$	    HELP, Ampersand Commands 
> > A/	    Repeat last executed command. Use primarily to redial, AT nor [Rtrn] required 
> > AT	    Required Command mode prefix (Attention Modem) 
> > A	    Answer Call 
> > 
> SNIP

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:03:36 +1100
From:  Daryl Pilkington <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

Do you have Telstra shares Bob?
Gees, what sort of crappy software can't be set to auto-answer?
Time to get some better software if it can't!

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:53:26 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
>>Bad move getting the modem to auto-answer.
>>If the software is is not running for any reason, the modem will still 
>>go off-hook, meaning the caller is charged for the call irrespective 
>>whether the fax is sucessful or not.
>>
>>Always get the software to do it.
> 
> 
> IF.... IF the software CAN'T do it THEN try the modem way.
> 
> Besides, John could always buy shares in Telstra.!  :-)
> 
> And anyway, who gives a damn about the sender loosing 20 cents
> or so.  
> 
SNIP

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Date:  Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:09:34 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Faxworks and external modems was OS/2 CP owners

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:03:36 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote:

>Do you have Telstra shares Bob?
>Gees, what sort of crappy software can't be set to auto-answer?
>Time to get some better software if it can't!

<<VBG>> OK, ease up guys! We don't want to waste energy arguing, let's get
stuck into the common enemy, eh? <<More BG>>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Multitasking: Make twice the mistakes in half the time.
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