Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 739
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:04:05 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 04 December 2003
 Number  739
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  WS4eB: network applications et-al : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
4  Re:  WS4eB: network applications et-al : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
5   Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
6   OS/2 CP owners : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
9   Anyone use HanduSoft ? : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
10  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails : k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au
11  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
12  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au
13  Re:  Anyone use HanduSoft ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
14  Re:  Thunderbird : Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
15  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
16  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
17  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
18  Re:  Anyone use HanduSoft ? : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
19  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
20  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
21  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : voytek at sbt dot net dot au
22  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails : Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
23  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
24  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
25   Soft Choice/Passport Advantage Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
26  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
27  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
28  Re:  OS/2 CP owners : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:13:41 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  WS4eB: network applications et-al

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:27:41 +1100
>
> Ed,
>
> sorry, this is a little beyond what I can try to explain right here,
> (and, besides, I don't remember most of it anymore, anyhow), so, all I can
> say, RTFM, then decide what's suitable based on needs/hardware capability
> etc assesemnt.
>

 Which FM ?

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:16:58 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails

I have found (I think) from the header that the Spam is originating through server
bwmam09.bigpond dot com ([144.135.24.94]) - so is there anyone on this list who uses Bigpond
dial-up or ADSL (ie bigpond dot com not bigpond dot net dot au) and is running Windoze - If so plerase
check you are not infected with a virus !

Thanks

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:29:39 +1100
>
> > Ha - you missed one point - Telstra are my ISP. Their mail servers are terrible at
> > doing ANYTHING !
> >
> > I've long said we need a "windows machine" filter on all ISP mail servers. If the
> > sender is using MS
> > Windows and they don't protect against viruses, they should be blocked at their ISP
> > before they
> > can do harm to others.
>
> FWIW, I now block any and all windoze execuatbles, good, bad, or
> indifferent, all dropped, period.
>
> beats scanning mail for windoze malware, IMHO
>
> ok, so I made exception for doc and xls, under user pressure
>
> Voytek Eymont

>  

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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:56:35 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails

>  and is running Windoze
> - If so plerase
> check you are not infected with a virus !
>

Ed,

i thought both are synonymous ?
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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:15:11 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  WS4eB: network applications et-al

>> sorry, this is a little beyond what I can try to explain right here,
>> (and, besides, I don't remember most of it anymore, anyhow), so, all I
>> can
>> say, RTFM, then decide what's suitable based on needs/hardware
>> capability
>> etc assesemnt.
>>
>
>  Which FM ?

Ed,

I guess, PMfax FM would be good starting points, though, (I think,
relaying on recollection), it expects that you understand the various
protocols already.
e.g. one of the protocols involves sending additional (routing) digits
after the phone number, etc
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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:44:34 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

Hi All,

For those of you looking to buy a new printer soon, this little bit
of info may be of interest.  I have a P4 system that is intentionally
to be a WinXP machine. 

So to start, I installed eCS 1.1 to it, just to see if eCS could handle the newer
hardware.  With the exception of the onboard sound chip and the LG DVD
burner, eCS works ok.  (Haven't tried RSJ for DVD and not sure I want to.)

Now the new printer a Canon i865 which does BW/Colour and also prints onto
CD's and DVD's directly without the need for a paper label.
(You do need to buy blanks that are intended for this purpose).

Now there is NO printer for os/2 listed for this printer.  BUT, I installed the latest
IBM OMNI drivers and from there, installed a printer - the Canon i850.

Now the printer works in eCS 1.1 and so do the nozzle check utilities too.!
I have not tried to print colour yet but the BW works very well and VERY fast.

Hope this helps.
Robert Traynor (BobT).
4 December 2003   10:11

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:49:19 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:   OS/2 CP owners

Hi all (and/or Convenience Pack owners),

How much is it for the warp convenience packs.  I've scoured IBM's web site and found 
the software choice site but no prices.  I did not e-mail IBM as I thought this list would be 
faster.  I'm trying to decide between eCs 1.1 or the latest IBM offerings and it comes 
down to what bang for the buck between the two.

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:17:22 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

Hi Bob,

   Thanks for the tip, these tips are always useful. Can you tell me if the printer is an
Inkjet or a Laser printer ? (I guess the former). It's trick of printing direct to
printable CD's and DVD's is of particular interest to me. I'll be looking up the specs.
Please let everyone know if colour works aswell - if not it's a bit of a let down.  Is
this printer a USB printer ?

As for you LG DVD Burner. What software are you trying to get it to work with ? The
special version of CDRecord/2 (CDRecord-PRODVD v 2.0) doesn't seem to work with most
drives. RSJ is the only software I have got to work and I use it regularly without
problems. Don't forget there was discount offer for people who bought eCS v 1.1 (about 50%
off!) which I thought I was one of the last to take advantage of however, I've seen posted
since, that the offer is still up on the website, if you know where to look.

Also, if you want to dig deeper, I have a few os/2 drivers for the AC97 compatible sound
chips that are often integrated onto motherboards - let me know the chipset and if I have
a driver, I'll send you it off-list.

Cheers/2

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> For those of you looking to buy a new printer soon, this little bit
> of info may be of interest.  I have a P4 system that is intentionally
> to be a WinXP machine.
>
> So to start, I installed eCS 1.1 to it, just to see if eCS could handle the newer
> hardware.  With the exception of the onboard sound chip and the LG DVD
> burner, eCS works ok.  (Haven't tried RSJ for DVD and not sure I want to.)
>
> Now the new printer a Canon i865 which does BW/Colour and also prints onto
> CD's and DVD's directly without the need for a paper label.
> (You do need to buy blanks that are intended for this purpose).
>
> Now there is NO printer for os/2 listed for this printer.  BUT, I installed the latest
> IBM OMNI drivers and from there, installed a printer - the Canon i850.
>
> Now the printer works in eCS 1.1 and so do the nozzle check utilities too.!
> I have not tried to print colour yet but the BW works very well and VERY fast.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Robert Traynor (BobT).
> 4 December 2003   10:11
>
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
>

>  

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**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:13:15 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

Sorry,

I now realise I left out a lot of info.
Replies below.

Robert Traynor (BobT).
4 December 2003   18:12

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:17:22 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
>    Thanks for the tip, these tips are always useful. Can you tell me if the printer is an
> Inkjet or a Laser printer ? (I guess the former). It's trick of printing direct to
> printable CD's and DVD's is of particular interest to me. I'll be looking up the specs.
> Please let everyone know if colour works aswell - if not it's a bit of a let down.  Is
> this printer a USB printer ?

It is an inkjet with 5 cartridges, 3 colours plus a black and for normal BW printing
it has ANOTHER, LARGER black cartridge.  Cost $315.00 from shop.
Both USB and Parallel port.  I am using Parallel port cable.
I have not tried USB at all.
I have not yet tried printing to a CD blank in ANY os.

> As for you LG DVD Burner. What software are you trying to get it to work with ? The
> special version of CDRecord/2 (CDRecord-PRODVD v 2.0) doesn't seem to work with most
> drives. RSJ is the only software I have got to work and I use it regularly without
> problems. Don't forget there was discount offer for people who bought eCS v 1.1 (about 50%
> off!) which I thought I was one of the last to take advantage of however, I've seen posted
> since, that the offer is still up on the website, if you know where to look.

As it is intended to be a WinXP only machine, I have NO intention of trying to
get DVD burning to work under eCS.  I just had so much trouble with this particular
Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard and the computer shop that I simply am throwing 
as much software at it to try and learn its quirks, and in as short a time period as
possible.   I am currently on my FOURTH motherboard..   It is a LONG story,
PLEASE don't ask for details.   Seems alright at the moment. :-)   Sigh..

> Also, if you want to dig deeper, I have a few os/2 drivers for the AC97 compatible sound
> chips that are often integrated onto motherboards - let me know the chipset and if I have
> a driver, I'll send you it off-list.

Will do, I will email separately off list.

> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 
> "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > For those of you looking to buy a new printer soon, this little bit
> > of info may be of interest.  I have a P4 system that is intentionally
> > to be a WinXP machine.
> >
> > So to start, I installed eCS 1.1 to it, just to see if eCS could handle the newer
> > hardware.  With the exception of the onboard sound chip and the LG DVD
> > burner, eCS works ok.  (Haven't tried RSJ for DVD and not sure I want to.)
> >
> > Now the new printer a Canon i865 which does BW/Colour and also prints onto
> > CD's and DVD's directly without the need for a paper label.
> > (You do need to buy blanks that are intended for this purpose).
> >
> > Now there is NO printer for os/2 listed for this printer.  BUT, I installed the latest
> > IBM OMNI drivers and from there, installed a printer - the Canon i850.
> >
> > Now the printer works in eCS 1.1 and so do the nozzle check utilities too.!
> > I have not tried to print colour yet but the BW works very well and VERY fast.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > 4 December 2003   10:11
> >
> >    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
> >  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
> >  \_,--.x/
> >
> 
> >  
> 
> 

>  

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:25:03 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   Anyone use HanduSoft ?

Hi Everyone

Anyone here use Handysoft Tax stuff ?

I've setup a server for  my accountant, moved his HandiSoft program
over to the server but now only one person at a time can use Handysoft,
as it locks the /data/user.dat file. Now I assume this worked ok under
Windows due to share loading, and I can remember sorting out the
same problem a few years ago for another acountant but cant for the
life of me remember what I did to fix it. The OS/2 Server is pure OS/2
running Peer-Peer, ie, no DOS loaded.

Any ideas ?

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody gets busy on the proof.
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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:47:11 +0800
From:  k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au
Subject:  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails

In <62255.203.51.58.24.1070495795.squirrel at www.sbt dot net dot au>, on 12/04/2003 
   at 10:56 AM, voytek at sbt dot net dot au said:

>>  and is running Windoze
>> - If so plerase
>> check you are not infected with a virus !
>>

>Ed,

>i thought both are synonymous ?

> 

Not so!!  Read on ...

What's the difference between Windows and a virus?  Believe it or not,
Windows is not a virus, as many (millions) have claimed.  You want proof? 
Look no further!

                                                    Virus   Windows

Replicates Quickly                                  Yes     Yes

Uses up valuable system resources,
slowing down the system as it does so               Yes     Yes

Occasional hard disk destruction                    Yes     Yes

Ocasional locking of system, causing reboot
and loss valuable data and programs	                Yes     Yes

Usually carried, unknown to the user,
along with valuable programs and systems.           Yes     Yes

Will often make the user suspect their system
is too slow so that the user will buy new hardware. Yes     Yes

Occasional meltdown of vital componants             Yes     Yes

Until now it seems Windows truly is a virus, but wait, there are several
fundamental differences.  Read on ...

Viruses :-  1. are well supported by their authors.
	     2. are actually 'running' on most systems.
	     3. have fast, compact and efficient code.
	     4. become more sophisticated as they mature.

Hence we can deduce from the above that despite all appearances, Windows
is not worthy of being called a virus - yet!

To view to problem from another angle :-

	Windows:           A committee-written virus.
	Windows 95/98:	     Same after feed-lotting.
	Windows NT:        Same again but Needs Terabytes.

=========================
k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!   We
use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>For those of you looking to buy a new printer soon, this little bit
>of info may be of interest.  I have a P4 system that is intentionally
>to be a WinXP machine. 
>
>So to start, I installed eCS 1.1 to it, just to see if eCS could handle the newer
>hardware.  With the exception of the onboard sound chip and the LG DVD
>burner, eCS works ok.  (Haven't tried RSJ for DVD and not sure I want to.)
>
>Now the new printer a Canon i865 which does BW/Colour and also prints onto
>CD's and DVD's directly without the need for a paper label.
>(You do need to buy blanks that are intended for this purpose).
>
>Now there is NO printer for os/2 listed for this printer.  BUT, I installed the latest
>IBM OMNI drivers and from there, installed a printer - the Canon i850.
>
>Now the printer works in eCS 1.1 and so do the nozzle check utilities too.!
>I have not tried to print colour yet but the BW works very well and VERY fast.
>
>Hope this helps.
>Robert Traynor (BobT).
>4 December 2003   10:11
>
>
>
>
>
>   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
> /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
> \_,--.x/ 
>
>

> 

>
>.
>
>  
>
Rob
Have you tried the UniAud (Universial Audio) product.
It works on my motherboard sound chip.

If I remember correctly I got it at http://os2.keil.ua

Regards
Dennis

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:00:05 +0800
From:  k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

In <0056692530.00008BD4 at mail.>, on 12/04/2003 
   at 03:49 PM, "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au> said:

>Hi all (and/or Convenience Pack owners),

>How much is it for the warp convenience packs.  I've scoured IBM's web
>site and found  the software choice site but no prices.  I did not e-mail
>IBM as I thought this list would be  faster.  I'm trying to decide
>between eCs 1.1 or the latest IBM offerings and it comes  down to what
>bang for the buck between the two.

Hi Gavin

I know nothing of IBM's CPs, but I do know what eCS1.1 has done for me. 
eCS1.03 is fine, but 1.1 breaks darn near everything I want to use,
including InJoy, PMFax and IBM Works' phone dialler.  I've put up with
OS/2 et al because I'm not a techo nerd who can break the Linux code of
exclusivity, and now eCS is doing it to me.  eCS1.1 is the WORST OS/2
released since v2.0

My son has come back from his friend's place with WinXP loaded, and I'm
about convinced to quit my 10 or 11 year association with OS/2 et al
(since 2.1) and finally succumbe to Windoze.

regards
Kev Downes

=========================
k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!   We
use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:14:35 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Anyone use HanduSoft ?

Perhaps multiple user.dat files in each users (H:) home directory/drive and configure the application ini file to point to this H:\user.dat (which would be different for
each user).

Or did you say you were not using Server but rather only Peer to Peer ??

Cheers/2

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> Anyone here use Handysoft Tax stuff ?
>
> I've setup a server for  my accountant, moved his HandiSoft program
> over to the server but now only one person at a time can use Handysoft,
> as it locks the /data/user.dat file. Now I assume this worked ok under
> Windows due to share loading, and I can remember sorting out the
> same problem a few years ago for another acountant but cant for the
> life of me remember what I did to fix it. The OS/2 Server is pure OS/2
> running Peer-Peer, ie, no DOS loaded.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
> Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody gets busy on the proof.

>  

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:21:25 +1100
From:  Dennis Nolan <denny at alphalink dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Thunderbird

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
> How well have you got Thunderbird working on OS/2?
> I too am trying to get it working & noted your IBM Browser 
> co-existence problems issues.
>
> I've got it working on CP2FP3 client but it crashes when I go to:
> View/Toolbars/customize
>
> Have you been able to install an *English* dictionary?
>
> I also haven't been able to figure out how to get profiles configured.
> I'll try a bit more today.
>
> I've been using it on a W2k box without a glitch. Still seems a bit 
> buggy on OS/2. Be nice to be able to run the same modern email client 
> on OS/2,W2k & Linux.
>
>
> Dennis Nolan wrote:
>
>> Well I've got Thunderbird working.
>> The problem was having the IBM Browser installed, with it's entry 
>> first in the dpath statement in Config.sys.
>>
>> There is great comunilaty of dlls for the Mozilla products, and the 
>> IBM Browser were earlier versions which  didn't work.
>> With a bit of luck Firebird will now work.
>>
> SNIP
>
 
>
> 

>
> .
>
Hi Daryl

I've only just got it working, I'll five it a week or two to settle down 
before I start trying to tweek it.
I have yet to download and install the various plug ins, I'll be doing 
that over the next couple of weeks.

One thing I've noticed, and that is that there are many dll files that 
are the same with Firebird and Thunderbird. I think it would be ok to 
put both in the same directory and so use the same dlls and subdirectories.
But I've just cleared out the washing machine and everything else from 
the laundry, and will be spending the weekend and whatever more it takes 
to repaint and tile the floor.
And my new digital camera is on it's way, and so I need to devote some 
time to working out how to use it. An Olympus C50.

As for the dictionary, it has the standard US_ENG installed. If there is 
an Australian one I would be most interested in installing it.

It's a pity that you can't use the Aus dictionary in Lotus Smart Suite.
Seems stupid for every app to have it's own dictionary.

Regards
Dennis.

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:26:03 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> It is an inkjet with 5 cartridges, 3 colours plus a black and for normal BW printing
> it has ANOTHER, LARGER black cartridge.  Cost $315.00 from shop.
> Both USB and Parallel port.  I am using Parallel port cable.

This really sounds like an interesting printer - it'll be interesting to see how good it is with
Ink.

I am FED UP with forever having to buy new ink cartridges for my Epson 680. Good printer but
uses ink far too quickly. Strangely enough, having done comparisons over a period of time the
best duration and dare I say it, quality come from the $25 Calidad Hero cartridges not the $60
Epson originals. The 5 cartridge models are undoubtably a better solution but they used to be up
at the $500+ price range.

 Back to your printer, the quoted resolution is also 4800 x 1200 and direct printing of digital
camera memory cards. Recomended retail is $399, I've searched the web and the best price I've
found is $359, so if you have got it for $315, that's a bargain. Does it still print black if
one of the colour cartridges is empty and you're only asking to print in black ? The Epson 680
doesn't.

I'll have to look out at the stores here and the computer market - perhaps an after-christmas
present for myself ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

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**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:30:44 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au wrote:

>
> I know nothing of IBM's CPs, but I do know what eCS1.1 has done for me.
> eCS1.03 is fine, but 1.1 breaks darn near everything I want to use,
> including InJoy, PMFax and IBM Works' phone dialler.  I've put up with
> OS/2 et al because I'm not a techo nerd who can break the Linux code of
> exclusivity, and now eCS is doing it to me.  eCS1.1 is the WORST OS/2
> released since v2.0
>
> My son has come back from his friend's place with WinXP loaded, and I'm
> about convinced to quit my 10 or 11 year association with OS/2 et al
> (since 2.1) and finally succumbe to Windoze.

Well Kev, my experience with eCS 1.1 is totally the opposite of yours. I have programs
working on eCS 1.13 that don't seem able to run on OS/2 Warp 4 CP2FP3 or FP4 !

I think your point was also about the x.x3 suffix, this is what happens once you do
one run through the eCS maintenance tool (a bit like MS's auto-update thingy), to
bring the base 1.1 code to the current level.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:35:03 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:00:05 +0800, k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au wrote:

>eCS1.1 is the WORST OS/2
>released since v2.0

Wow.  That's a big statement.  I gather with all the extra fancy 'MS PLUS' like features in 
eCs it would be a bit unstable.  I know that when I installed Styler on my Warp 4 system 
it became unstable and crashed quite a bit.  I might be wrong here but I've heard that 
CP2 can be installed without eCs installing, but you need to create boot floppies a'la 
Warp 3/4.

Trust me you don't want to go to WinXP.  It's bad news on sooo many levels from the 
normal Windows resource hog to huge security holes that the latest MS patch is 
supposed to fix.

I have to go to Sydney in Jan, so I go into my local travel agent to book the flight.  I sit at 
the nice girls desk and her computer locks.  We move to the next desk and the same 
happens again accessing a different program.  That's WinXP.

Anyway back to the topic.... does anyone concer with Kev about eCs 1.1?

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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:44:57 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Anyone use HanduSoft ?

Hi Ed

David Graser removed the theme file from yahoo as he decided to make
some changes.

> Perhaps multiple user.dat files in each users (H:) home directory/drive and configure the application ini file to point to this H:\user.dat (which would be different for
> each user).

HandiTax will only look on the same drive, in the same directory as all
users use the same config files, ie, cant have exe's in one place, and
data files in a different, like a standard old DOS program.

> Or did you say you were not using Server but rather only Peer to Peer ??

Just peer to peer, doesnt need WSeB, its OS/2 v4  FP15, sold him an
APC mag.
 
Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch.  -- Gilda Radner
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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:31:12 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

Yes, I tried the UniAud but not from your address below.
I think your url is wrong.

The correct url was:-
http://os2.kiev.ua/en/uniaud.php

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
4 December 2003   20:29

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +1100, Dennis Nolan wrote:
> Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote:
<SNIP>

> Rob
> Have you tried the UniAud (Universial Audio) product.
> It works on my motherboard sound chip.
> 
> If I remember correctly I got it at http://os2.keil.ua
> 
> Regards
> Dennis

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:35:14 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Canon i865 printer works in eCS 1.1 with driver for i850

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:26:03 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
<SNIP>

>  Back to your printer, the quoted resolution is also 4800 x 1200 and direct printing of digital
> camera memory cards. Recomended retail is $399, I've searched the web and the best price I've
> found is $359, so if you have got it for $315, that's a bargain. Does it still print black if
> one of the colour cartridges is empty and you're only asking to print in black ? The Epson 680
> doesn't.
> 
> I'll have to look out at the stores here and the computer market - perhaps an after-christmas
> present for myself ?

I don't know the full ins an douts yet.  Still with the original cartridges.
Only printed 4 or so sheets so far.  Time will tell.
In Melbourne Two shops, CPL (Computer parts Land) has it for $328.00
and the store I have had some issues with, MSY (?) had it for $315.00.

Note:- MSY has other stores in NSW and they are on the web.
Purchase at own risk. Joking...  :-)

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
4 December 2003   20:34

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:50:18 +1100 (EST)
From:  voytek at sbt dot net dot au
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

> My son has come back from his friend's place with WinXP loaded, and I'm
> about convinced to quit my 10 or 11 year association with OS/2 et al
> (since 2.1) and finally succumbe to Windoze.

rotf,l
rotf,l
rotf,l

wish you well, *if* you can enjoy it.

having just spent few days setting up b-new 2.6G Dells with 512 and XP Pro
on a small LAN, I couldn't believe, that after all these years, this is
still such CRAP.
after I opened maybe 6 or 8 sessions, gets what popup up: you're out of
virtual memory, this is with MS XP, MS Office, MS IE and MS Publisher

I honestly couldn't belive how underperforming a 2.6GB with FIVE HUNDRED
TWELVE RAM could be.

but, like I said, if you can enjoy it, I wish you well.
(I mean, there must be some good things about it, I'm sure)

rotf,l

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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:17:33 +1100
From:  "Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 6:17 AM
> To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
> Subject: Re:  Bogus Microsoft e-mails
> 
> 
> I have found (I think) from the header that the Spam is 
> originating through server
> bwmam09.bigpond dot com ([144.135.24.94]) - so is there anyone on 
> this list who uses Bigpond
> dial-up or ADSL (ie bigpond dot com not bigpond dot net dot au) and is 
> running Windoze - If so plerase
> check you are not infected with a virus !
Ed,

I think it's dial up account, as I recall telstra broadband uses  dot net dot au

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ed.
> 
> 
> > ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Wed, 
> 03 Dec 2003 22:29:39 +1100
> >
> > > Ha - you missed one point - Telstra are my ISP. Their mail 
> servers are terrible at
> > > doing ANYTHING !

Yes I did miss that point as I use Optus

> 

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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:27:36 +1100
From:  "Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

> -----Original Message-----
> From: voytek at sbt dot net dot au [mailto:voytek at sbt dot net dot au]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 9:50 PM
> To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
> Subject: Re:  OS/2 CP owners
>
>
> > My son has come back from his friend's place with WinXP loaded, and I'm
> > about convinced to quit my 10 or 11 year association with OS/2 et al
> > (since 2.1) and finally succumbe to Windoze.
>
> rotf,l
> rotf,l
> rotf,l
>
> wish you well, *if* you can enjoy it.
>
> having just spent few days setting up b-new 2.6G Dells with 512 and XP Pro
> on a small LAN, I couldn't believe, that after all these years, this is
> still such CRAP.
> after I opened maybe 6 or 8 sessions, gets what popup up: you're out of
> virtual memory, this is with MS XP, MS Office, MS IE and MS Publisher
>
> I honestly couldn't belive how underperforming a 2.6GB with FIVE HUNDRED
> TWELVE RAM could be.
>

That's bad rap for Dell then, I have plenty of Win2k Pro and XP Pro on IBM
Netvista's P4 2.4Ghz with 512MB ram & 40GB HD, running office and call
centre apps and they run with out any problems and these guys stick in
digital cameras and scanners on usb and play when it's quiet.

> but, like I said, if you can enjoy it, I wish you well.
> (I mean, there must be some good things about it, I'm sure)
>
> rotf,l
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------
>  

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**= Email   24 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:29:26 -0500
From:  "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

In <52811.203.221.203.74.1070535018.squirrel at www.sbt dot net dot au>, on 12/04/03
at 09:50 PM,
   voytek at sbt dot net dot au said:

>having just spent few days setting up b-new 2.6G Dells with 512 and XP
>Pro on a small LAN, I couldn't believe, that after all these years, this
>is still such CRAP.
>after I opened maybe 6 or 8 sessions, gets what popup up: you're out of
>virtual memory, this is with MS XP, MS Office, MS IE and MS Publisher

>I honestly couldn't belive how underperforming a 2.6GB with FIVE HUNDRED
>TWELVE RAM could be.

>but, like I said, if you can enjoy it, I wish you well.
>(I mean, there must be some good things about it, I'm sure)

Was this winXP Pro?  I have a 2.4GHz P4 laptop that came with XP Home on
it and it is usable but not as responsive as eCS on the same machine, but
my wife just got a new IBM ThinkCentre 2.4 GHz desktop with XP Pro and the
damn thing runs like a 486.  Luckily its just to run a DOS app (don't ask,
OS/2 was not a choice as it is a billing system installed and supported by
a vendor).  They said it was because it has "so many processes running".

Mark

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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:43:54
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:   Soft Choice/Passport Advantage Re:  OS/2 CP owners

** Reply to note from k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:00:05 +0800

> >Hi all (and/or Convenience Pack owners), 
>    
> >How much is it for the warp convenience packs.  I've scoured IBM's web 
> >site and found  the software choice site but no prices.  I did not e-mail 
> >IBM as I thought this list would be  faster.  I'm trying to decide 
> >between eCs 1.1 or the latest IBM offerings and it comes  down to what 
> >bang for the buck between the two.

all you can now buy is as below:

---------

We no longer sell Software Choice Subscriptions.  Instead, customers can
purchase an OS/2 Warp  Software Maintenance Reinstatement  through Passport
Advantage .  The following URL describes the process and includes Part
Numbers.
http://www-3.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/swchoice/howtobuy.html

Basically, the customer would register on-line to Passport Advantage (link
to Passport Advantage is provided at above URL site).  Once they are
registered they can call the in-country IBM Direct Sales phone number to
D5C4NLL) and the OS/2 Warp V4 media package (e.g. part number 84H6327 for
the English Language version) if they currently do not have the Convenience
Package CDs.  Our last major shipment of CDs was when we shipped the
Convenience Package for OS/2 Warp V4.52.  The most current device drivers,
feature refreshes, and fixpacks are downloadable (see the Software Choice
Website at http://www-3.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/swchoice/).

Software maintenance entitles the customer to the same benefits as the
Software Choice Subscription but also includes phone support.  In addition
we have just extended the defect support for the OS/2 Convenience Package
level of code through YE 2006 for Passport Advantage customers who maintain
Software Maintenance during that timeframe (see OS/2 Strategy for 2003
document at http://www-3.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/strategy/ for additonal
information).

BTW, we announced the withdrawal of the Software Choice Subscription part
numbers on 12/10/2002 via Announce Letter 902-274.

Armando Villa Flores
OS/2 Market Manager

----------

The following is what is required to order:

If the end user is a registered businesse with an ABN# we can sell the
following Upgrade product through Passport Advantage licensing;

OS/2 WARP INSTALL SW MAINT REINSTATE 12 MO   	$441.21   	

for those wishing to order, we have staff standing by for orders 24 hours 7 days on
9310-1144; or, email me directly

Voytek Eymont
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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:57:36
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

** Reply to note from "Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au> Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:27:36 +1100

> That's bad rap for Dell then, I have plenty of Win2k Pro and XP Pro on IBM 
> Netvista's P4 2.4Ghz with 512MB ram & 40GB HD, running office and call 
> centre apps and they run with out any problems and these guys stick in 
> digital cameras and scanners on usb and play when it's quiet.

Stan, 

i really don't think so, what can be so different about Dell ?
I'd say it's a bad wrap for MS apps.
I suspect it was the MS photo editor that sapped all the ram

I had maybe 4 or 8 IE's opened, when the user opened the a picture in MS app, the
out of ram' message poped up.

but, regardless, even with out photos, it SLOW, and SLOW, and SLOW,

an OS/2 P2 300 will run circles around it, any time

and, the apps are very poorly threaded

I have other users with W2K on 2GH, and, 'performance' plainly sucks:

open 'my docs' whilst burning a CD, presto, you've just made a perfect coaster

and, whilst on the subject of threading:

what a hide Intel has, advertsing 'experience multi tasking like never before', we
should report them to ACCC.

Voytek Eymont
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Date:  Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:02:53
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

** Reply to note from "Mark Dodel" <madodel at ptdprolog dot net> Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:29:26 -0500

> Was this winXP Pro?  I have a 2.4GHz P4 laptop that came with XP Home on 
> it and it is usable but not as responsive as eCS on the same machine, but 
> my wife just got a new IBM ThinkCentre 2.4 GHz desktop with XP Pro and the 
> damn thing runs like a 486.  Luckily its just to run a DOS app (don't ask, 
> OS/2 was not a choice as it is a billing system installed and supported by 
> a vendor).  They said it was because it has "so many processes running".

XP Pro.

it would drive me nuts if I had to use it. 
I only do it for the money.

Voytek Eymont
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Date:  Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:01:03 +1100 (AEDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  OS/2 CP owners

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:35:03 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote this reply to
Kev Downes:

>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:00:05 +0800, k.downes at optusnet dot com dot au wrote:
>
>>eCS1.1 is the WORST OS/2
>>released since v2.0
>
>Wow.  That's a big statement.  I gather with all the extra fancy 'MS PLUS' like features in 
>eCs it would be a bit unstable.  I know that when I installed Styler on my Warp 4 system 
>it became unstable and crashed quite a bit.  I might be wrong here but I've heard that 
>CP2 can be installed without eCs installing, but you need to create boot floppies a'la 
>Warp 3/4

Hi Kev.

So far I am with Gavin. I have 2 machines running eCS 1.13.

Server with 36Gb SCSI HDD and P100 CPU CD and CD burner, old video, not
even APM - it's so old.
Simple, just serves and backs up data with BA2K v4. 

Office Internet gateway and my main workhorse (working on it now). 
Installed two weekends ago. Athlon 2.4Ghz chip, 256MB ram, onboard video
etc. aka all mod cons. 

Could your experience of "breaking all your apps" be actually the simpler
problem that the install is a matter of "scrape off the old, pour in the
new" which means NOT an upgrade and therefore you get an entirely new set
of INI files?

I had to recreate all my objects, re-create Launchpad and WarpCenter, etc
ad nauseum. First time up each of my apps wouldn't work. I had to find all
my extra DLLs, add paths, tweak my CONFIG.SYS. All the stuff was there and
I have only had to re-install two apps (one Wind16, the other DeScribe).
Some apps were 'automatically' upgraded by the install.

Oh, sorry I had a major problem with USB nicking the IRQ for the NIC, but
that was just plain stupid.

Latest discovery PMFax isn't receiving like it used to. I have to find out
how to re-establish receiving mode, could be that I now have an external
modem instead of my trusty old internal Banksia (no ISA in these new
m/boards).

But I now have 16M colours, 1280x1024 desktop and I love the acres of
space. I run so many apps that use plenty of area.

Stay with it Kev, it's STILL worth it. 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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