Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 698
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:04:00 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 25 September 2003
 Number  698
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  Need a Web Site Service with MySQL, PHP & OS/2 : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  Travelstar portable HDD : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
3   The end of an empire : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
4  Re:  The end of an empire : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- REXX problem : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
6  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
7  Re:  The end of an empire : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
8  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- REXX problem : Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
10  Re:  The end of an empire : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
11  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
12  Re:  The end of an empire : Voytek <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
13  Re:  The end of an empire : glenn5 <gh5 at Serenity-Systems dot com>
14  Re:  The end of an empire : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
15  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
16  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
17  Re:  The end of an empire : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
18  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
19  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
20  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
21  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
22  Re:  The end of an empire : Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
23  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
24  Re:  The end of an empire : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
25   Spam Request : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
26  Re:  The end of an empire : Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:06:56 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Need a Web Site Service with MySQL, PHP & OS/2

> Does anybody know of an Australian web site service that runs MySQL & PHP on OS/2 (eCS) ?

http://www dot comkal dot com dot au/
http://www.os2site dot com/pages/techinfo.html

Essentially the same box.
The specs dont say it but it does run the latest PHP as well.
All software versions are the latest.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

"Programming graphics in X is like finding sqrt(pi) using Roman numerals."  -- Henry Spencer
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:09:13 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Travelstar portable HDD

Hi John

I have a spare IBM IDE card and case BUT the case is for a
CDROM, should still be able to fit HD in as long as it has the
IBM IDE connector card.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

OLTION'S COMPLETE, UNABRIDGED HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE.   Bang!      ...crumple.  -- Jery Oltion
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:39:15 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   The end of an empire

Hi All

I believe that we are now witnessing the start of the decline
of the Microsoft empire, as will all empires, it could take a
while but it has started, bit by bit it will slowly decline.

I can tell you that Internet Service Providers are also really
getting ticked off with the additional cost and burden of MS's
security problems. On one side, extra data is good because
the customer pays (cold view) BUT on the other side, it costs
a lot of time to answer queries, point people at AV software,
and software updates, The Primus Tech Support que is closed
half the night now as the que lengths exceed 60 minutes, and the
techs struggle to empty the que full of people who expect us to
fix their virus infections etc, while the people who we should
really be helping are turned away :-(

ie, people thing we should fix there MS related problems, as
they cant get on the net, or cant get MS to answer there phones !!

Wonder how Symantic and McAfee's tech support ques are
going..

While answering Tech support related calls at work, I'm taking
the time to educate people on alternatives, primarily as far as
the default settings of Outlook, other email clients, and operating
systems.

Must put together a simple webpage with this stuff on.

By the way, I'm not even in Tech Support at work, so myself
and about 6 others are getting the overflow from the tech
support que at night time !!

ISP's are really coping the brunt of the virus's and worms
as Joe User seems to think its our fault because we provide
the internet access. Customer education....

Its dangerous for an ISP to start filtering email and port access,
as so many Windows based programs, (chat, P2P, Game servers
etc) all us wierd and wonderful port settings, not to mention the
CPU usage of a major ISP filtering everything !!

My weasel mailserver at home is struggling with the CPU usage
of the filtering and virus scanning at present, and thats with a PIII-600
and SCSI disks, each one of these MS virus's are about 147K in size
and I'm receiving about 20-40 an hour, so shortly I'm going to add some
stuff to the firewall to drop packets containing strings from these
emails.

I can only guess at the hammering that Telstra, Primus, Optus and
other ISP's are taking with the onslaught. And each day, another
person starts swearing at/about Microsoft.

The major huddle though in getting Joe User to use a different
operating system is that your normal 'PC' users is of the opinion
that Windows comes free with the computer, and this is the major
hurdle that only Linux can overcome. So far, the only real Linux
distribution for your average computer user is Lindows.....

Which also comes back to the MS tying up the preload market
with "incentives", crack that, and other products like eCS stand
a real chance of getting a toe in.

Me, I'd like to just do my job, spend 8 hours a day at work, be
a normal person, and stop getting my wife to record Star Trek
for me to watch at 2am in the morning !

Be nice to take my rostered days off to, the gardens looking
rather shabby.

Thanks Microsoft :-|
I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to
change.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Real men don't need EXTENDED memory...
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:44:50 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

Hi Ian,

   What a co-incidence - I was thinking along the same lines only yesterday after
seeing the horrible traffic levels caused by viruses that take advantage of the
security holes in the badly written Microsoft code at work.

   I wonder how long it will be before clauses are added into ISP Customers contracts
making them  liable for the damage caused by their PCs redistributing viruses ? And
yes, I agree with you the only way is to drop packets that "could" contain this type
of data.

   Unfortunately this will inevitably make a two teir system, those technically
capable of keeping their
M$ based system clean (or pay for someone to do this for them) and those who can't -
who will be slowly excluded from Internet access.

   Logically a firewall program on the users own PC should be able to stop "bad"
traffic however this will cripple the PCs performance when a big hit occurs.

   Microsoft are not (IMHO) moving fast enough to address this problem and indeed this
is an opportunity for other OSes to get into the market again. Publicity is needed on
this issue however with M$'s financial interests everywhere, most papers will be
reserved in publicising the issues.

   Cheers/2

    Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I believe that we are now witnessing the start of the decline
> of the Microsoft empire, as will all empires, it could take a
> while but it has started, bit by bit it will slowly decline.
>

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:22:43 +1100
From:  Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au
Subject:   SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- REXX problem

I've got past the problem

I put storeAll into Store and now the files being updated are only opened 
and closed once.

When working on this project I found that exposing variables when using 
procedures was not trivial

When the main line calls procedure A which calls procedure B which calls 
procedure C problems arise

I know that variables exposed in procedure C also need to be exposed in 
procedures B and A

But I found that the order in which they appear in the expose statement is 
significient.

Does anybody have info on the rules for this

I had to completly redesign the program so that procedures which are 
nested beyond the second level do not expose variables, they only get 
parameters and return a result ( preferably boolean or scalar)

Regards

Mr. Dennis J. Nolan
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my 
systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:

Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something 
like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to 
YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.  
Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.  
Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already 
logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the 
network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same 
domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've 
done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).

Cheers
G

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:02:30 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

I don't really know much about the inner security features of OS/2.  I just know that I don't 
have a virus cheacker and I don't have any viruses.  I get a virus through e-mail - it 
doesn't bother me.  However, would it be plausable to think that if the rolls were 
reversed and OS/2 (or another OS) was the top dog, that there would be this many 
virus attacks on it instead of windows.  Right now most folks think OS/2 is dead and isn't 
bothered about writing viruses for it anymore.  I can only think of 3 viruses for OS/2, and 
they're pretty much out of circulation.  There would always be some bored person who 
would want to cause the most destruction they could.

Food for though anyway.

Cheers
G

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:10:37 +1100
From:  Mike O'Connor <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- REXX problem

Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote:

>I've got past the problem
>
>I put storeAll into Store and now the files being updated are only opened 
>and closed once.
>
>When working on this project I found that exposing variables when using 
>procedures was not trivial
>
>When the main line calls procedure A which calls procedure B which calls 
>procedure C problems arise
>
>I know that variables exposed in procedure C also need to be exposed in 
>procedures B and A
>
>But I found that the order in which they appear in the expose statement is 
>significient.
>
>Does anybody have info on the rules for this
>
>I had to completly redesign the program so that procedures which are 
>nested beyond the second level do not expose variables, they only get 
>parameters and return a result ( preferably boolean or scalar)
>
>  
>

Hi Denis,
Not being a REXX programmer, I may be way off-base here - but from 
reading the REXX CommandRef I think that the SETLOCAL/ENDLOCAL 
statements [which can be nested] should be your solution.

HTH

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
--------------------
MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:21:38 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Hi Gavin

> Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something 
> like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to 
> YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.  

And on the OS/2 box, unless you want to us the command line NET
utility, make sure that x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini has this :-

  srvhidden = no

The line is sometimes set to yes, which hides the PC from the
network.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Honey, what does 'Formatting Drive C:' mean?
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:59:52 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:02:30 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:

Hi Gavin

>I don't really know much about the inner security features of OS/2.  I just know that I don't 
>have a virus cheacker and I don't have any viruses.  I get a virus through e-mail - it 
>doesn't bother me.  

>However, would it be plausable to think that if the rolls were 
>reversed and OS/2 (or another OS) was the top dog, that there would be this many 
>virus attacks on it instead of windows.  

Up to a point plausible but in actual fact less likely.

By default and by design OS/2 Linux et al. are less open than MSWin. It
would take a highly skilled programmer to find and exploit the holes.

a) such programmers could command good incomes doing paid work for OS/2
clients, since there would be plenty of demand for their services if OS/2
was mainstream 
b) the level of skill required would be beyond young "skript-kiddies"
fiddling around in their loungerooms, and the level of exploitation of
holes would be that much lower
c) if OS/2 were more mainstream, I would expect a higher level of
sophisticated training to be prevalent, since basic training would not have
to be redone all the time (MS having no commitment to backwards
compatibility: how many know that it was *way back* in NT3.51 when MS
reversed the action of Ctrl-Alt-Del to perform login rather than reboot?).
I have some OS/2 v2 books here which are perfectly valid for boot camp
training of new users.   
and
d) if OS/2 were mainstream, it would be easier to find knowledge on
fireweall services in TCP/IP, robust quality software etc, so fewer people
would be susceptible to simple traps

>Right now most folks think OS/2 is dead and isn't 
>bothered about writing viruses for it anymore.  I can only think of 3 viruses for OS/2, and 
>they're pretty much out of circulation.  There would always be some bored person who 
>would want to cause the most destruction they could.
>
>Food for though anyway.

Isn't it though? Spot on!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:19:30 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Hi Gavin,

I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
"File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.

Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).

Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"

Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
25 September 2003   13:19

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:

> Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my 
> systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> 
> Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something 
> like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to 
> YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.  
> Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.  
> Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already 
> logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the 
> network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same 
> domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've 
> done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> 
> Cheers
> G

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:21:49
From:  Voytek <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <deadmail> Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:39:15 +1000 (EST)

> Thanks Microsoft :-| 
> I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to 
> change.

and the hardware companies, and the pay-4-support, and...

come off it, Ian, it's good for the Industry !

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date:  Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:50:40 -0500
From:  glenn5 <gh5 at Serenity-Systems dot com>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

 > Voytek wrote:

>from "Ian Manners" <deadmail> 
>Thanks Microsoft :-| 
>I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to 
>change.
>  
>
>
>and the hardware companies, and the pay-4-support, and...
>  
>
 > come off it, Ian, it's good for the Industry !

We know you are joking. But as usual there is some truth.

It is good for SOME in the industry but it is definitely bad for society.

Here is a economic link using "real" windows (ie glass) as an example

http://www.progress dot org/archive/fold136.htm
Fred Foldvary on The Broken Window

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:29:47 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

Hi Voytek

> > Thanks Microsoft :-| 
> > I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to 
> > change.
> 
> and the hardware companies, and the pay-4-support, and...
> 
> come off it, Ian, it's good for the Industry !

True, it was also my bread and butter up until about 4 years
ago :-)

But I think it is now reaching past the nice income stream for a lot
of techs and heading into just plain agro. You know, that point
were it just gets so  at $# at $, there was always plenty to do with
new HW and standard windows problems to keep everyone
busy before the quality went even more downhill.

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

// Of course it worked. Don't act so surprised.
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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:46:29 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Oops, the line SHOULD have said the opostite.
ie:-
Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
to change "srvhidden = yes"  to "srvhidden = no"

Not the other way around.
Robert Traynor (BobT).
25 September 2003   14:46

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:19:30 +1000, Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:

> Hi Gavin,
> 
> I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
> "File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.
> 
> Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
> from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
> LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
> when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).
> 
> Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
> to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"
> 
> Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?
> 
> Regards,
> Robert Traynor (BobT).
> 25 September 2003   13:19
> 
> 
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> > Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my 
> > systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> > 
> > Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something 
> > like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to 
> > YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.  
> > Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.  
> > Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already 
> > logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the 
> > network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same 
> > domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've 
> > done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> > 
> > Cheers
> > G

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:15:54 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:

Hi Gavin and thanks for helping out.

>Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my 
>systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
>
>Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something 
>like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to 
>YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.  

It is essential to make sure that the Windows "Workgroups" name and the
OS/2 "IBMPEERS" name is the same (domain name IIRC but not exactly the same
as in TCP/IP). Then begin the sharing process.

>Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.  

>Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already 
>logged onto the network on another terminal.  

>You may have to "Find Computer" in the 
>network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same 
>domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've 
>done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

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Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:23:17 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

A good point, however many of the more difficult windows viruses use flaws in the code. A good
example of this was the code red virus which played on a flaw in the implementaion of SNMP, the
flaw existed, not only in windows but in Novell and Linux as well. It didn't exist in mainframe
operating systems or OS/2. Quality of code counts for a lot. OS/2 was always designed as a
mainframe standard operating system running on a lower powered platform. Windows on the other
hand was aimed more at the less critical home and games markets and the standard of code relects
this. (IMHO).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> I don't really know much about the inner security features of OS/2.  I just know that I don't
> have a virus cheacker and I don't have any viruses.  I get a virus through e-mail - it
> doesn't bother me.  However, would it be plausable to think that if the rolls were
> reversed and OS/2 (or another OS) was the top dog, that there would be this many
> virus attacks on it instead of windows.  Right now most folks think OS/2 is dead and isn't
> bothered about writing viruses for it anymore.  I can only think of 3 viruses for OS/2, and
> they're pretty much out of circulation.  There would always be some bored person who
> would want to cause the most destruction they could.
>
> Food for though anyway.
>
> Cheers
> G
>

>  

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**= Email   18 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:21 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

The very first "trap" is that by default WinXP does not install Netbeui, you have to install it manualy
from the install CD.

There's several very good articles in this area at www.servolution.at  - the people who produce a VERY
GOOD login client to allow Windows 32 bit OSes to log onto IBM Warp server for e-Business server
systems without problems.

Cheers/2

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> Hi Gavin,
>
> I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
> "File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.
>
> Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
> from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
> LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
> when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).
>
> Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
> to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"
>
> Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?
>
> Regards,
> Robert Traynor (BobT).
> 25 September 2003   13:19
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
>
> > Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my
> > systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> >
> > Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something
> > like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to
> > YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.
> > Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.
> > Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already
> > logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the
> > network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same
> > domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've
> > done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> >
> > Cheers
> > G
>
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
>

>  

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**= Email   19 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:56:23 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Thanks Ed, for the URL but it is out of date.

This one is current and in English:-
http://servolution dot comtarsia dot com/main/en/Allgemein

The Netbeui bit I already knew of and have already installed.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
25 September 2003   20:56

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

> The very first "trap" is that by default WinXP does not install Netbeui, you have to install it manualy
> from the install CD.
> 
> There's several very good articles in this area at www.servolution.at  - the people who produce a VERY
> GOOD login client to allow Windows 32 bit OSes to log onto IBM Warp server for e-Business server
> systems without problems.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 
> "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gavin,
> >
> > I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
> > "File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.
> >
> > Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
> > from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
> > LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
> > when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).
> >
> > Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
> > to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"
> >
> > Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > 25 September 2003   13:19
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> >
> > > Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my
> > > systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> > >
> > > Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something
> > > like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to
> > > YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.
> > > Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.
> > > Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already
> > > logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the
> > > network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same
> > > domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've
> > > done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > G

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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**= Email   20 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:00:15 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Has the URL stopped re-routing now ?

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> Thanks Ed, for the URL but it is out of date.
>
> This one is current and in English:-
> http://servolution dot comtarsia dot com/main/en/Allgemein
>
> The Netbeui bit I already knew of and have already installed.
>
> Regards,
> Robert Traynor (BobT).
> 25 September 2003   20:56
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> > The very first "trap" is that by default WinXP does not install Netbeui, you have to install it manualy
> > from the install CD.
> >
> > There's several very good articles in this area at www.servolution.at  - the people who produce a VERY
> > GOOD login client to allow Windows 32 bit OSes to log onto IBM Warp server for e-Business server
> > systems without problems.
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> > "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gavin,
> > >
> > > I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
> > > "File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.
> > >
> > > Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
> > > from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
> > > LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
> > > when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).
> > >
> > > Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
> > > to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"
> > >
> > > Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > > 25 September 2003   13:19
> > >
> > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > > Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my
> > > > systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> > > >
> > > > Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something
> > > > like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to
> > > > YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.
> > > > Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.
> > > > Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already
> > > > logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the
> > > > network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same
> > > > domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've
> > > > done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > G
>
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
>

>  

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**= Email   21 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:24:08 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Ed, I presume so, there was a URL displayed but the web browser did not
send me to it, I had to manually click the url link.

My main reason for reporting the change of url is that the link you gave
when I followed it thru, initially took me to a non english page.

Robert Traynor (BobT).
25 September 2003   21:24

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:00:15 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

> Has the URL stopped re-routing now ?
> 
> Ed.
> 
> "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Ed, for the URL but it is out of date.
> >
> > This one is current and in English:-
> > http://servolution dot comtarsia dot com/main/en/Allgemein
> >
> > The Netbeui bit I already knew of and have already installed.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > 25 September 2003   20:56
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > > The very first "trap" is that by default WinXP does not install Netbeui, you have to install it manualy
> > > from the install CD.
> > >
> > > There's several very good articles in this area at www.servolution.at  - the people who produce a VERY
> > > GOOD login client to allow Windows 32 bit OSes to log onto IBM Warp server for e-Business server
> > > systems without problems.
> > >
> > > Cheers/2
> > >
> > > Ed.
> > >
> > > "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gavin,
> > > >
> > > > I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
> > > > "File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.
> > > >
> > > > Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
> > > > from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
> > > > LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
> > > > when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).
> > > >
> > > > Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
> > > > to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"
> > > >
> > > > Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > > > 25 September 2003   13:19
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my
> > > > > systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> > > > >
> > > > > Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something
> > > > > like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to
> > > > > YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.
> > > > > Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.
> > > > > Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already
> > > > > logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the
> > > > > network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same
> > > > > domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've
> > > > > done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > G

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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**= Email   22 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:41:32 +1000
From:  "Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

-----Original Message-----
From: Voytek [mailto:voytek at sbt dot net dot au]
Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 1:22 PM
To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
Subject: Re:  The end of an empire

** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <deadmail> Thu, 25 Sep 2003
03:39:15 +1000 (EST)

> Thanks Microsoft :-|
> I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to
> change.

and the hardware companies, and the pay-4-support, and...

come off it, Ian, it's good for the Industry !

Right on Voytek, it keeps me employed especially when they don't adhere to
my virus policies they get hit big time it's been an eventful month for me

Stan

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**= Email   23 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:45:44 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Adapted Copy of MelbPC OS/2 SIG meeting report Sept 2003

Whoops sorry for that (I speak German as well as English, having lived in Munich for 12 years).

Cheers/2

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:

> Ed, I presume so, there was a URL displayed but the web browser did not
> send me to it, I had to manually click the url link.
>
> My main reason for reporting the change of url is that the link you gave
> when I followed it thru, initially took me to a non english page.
>
> Robert Traynor (BobT).
> 25 September 2003   21:24
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:00:15 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> > Has the URL stopped re-routing now ?
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> > "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Ed, for the URL but it is out of date.
> > >
> > > This one is current and in English:-
> > > http://servolution dot comtarsia dot com/main/en/Allgemein
> > >
> > > The Netbeui bit I already knew of and have already installed.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > > 25 September 2003   20:56
> > >
> > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:21 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> > >
> > > > The very first "trap" is that by default WinXP does not install Netbeui, you have to install it manualy
> > > > from the install CD.
> > > >
> > > > There's several very good articles in this area at www.servolution.at  - the people who produce a VERY
> > > > GOOD login client to allow Windows 32 bit OSes to log onto IBM Warp server for e-Business server
> > > > systems without problems.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers/2
> > > >
> > > > Ed.
> > > >
> > > > "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Gavin,
> > > > >
> > > > > I found the setting "LM Announce"in the properties of Win98se's
> > > > > "File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" ok and changed it to YES.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trying to do the same to WinXP but could not find a means of access to the saqme setting
> > > > > from the GUI.  So I resorted to searching the registry and eventually found the key
> > > > > LMAnnounce with a value of zero.  I assume this is the equivalent setting in WinXP
> > > > > when compared to Win98, so I changed the value to "1" (meaning YES).
> > > > >
> > > > > Now to check the os2 x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini as detailed by Ian Manners email
> > > > > to change "srvhidden = no"  to "srvhidden = yes"
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any other traps for os2/Win98/WinXP networking.?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Robert Traynor (BobT).
> > > > > 25 September 2003   13:19
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:37 +1000 (EST), Gavin Miller wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Win98 and OS/2 Peer network hey?  I had just that setup before I gave one of my
> > > > > > systems to my sister.  Let's see if I can remember:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Make sure netbios protocol is on both OS's.  One will be called netbui or something
> > > > > > like that, but essentially the same thing.  Make sure the LM Announce setting is set to
> > > > > > YES on the Win98 machine.  Will need to activate File and Print sharing in Win98.
> > > > > > Depending on how you set up your shares, both machines should see each other.
> > > > > > Just make sure that the user names are different or OS/2 will say you're already
> > > > > > logged onto the network on another terminal.  You may have to "Find Computer" in the
> > > > > > network neighborhood to see the OS/2 machine at first, but it will find it if it's on the same
> > > > > > domain.  I think that's all.  It been awhile, but setting it up is pretty straight forward.  I've
> > > > > > done it heaps with company laptops (just not recently hee hee).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > G
>
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
>

>  

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**= Email   24 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:03:10 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:41:32 +1000, Stan Pallis wrote:

Hi Stan.

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Voytek [mailto:voytek at sbt dot net dot au]
>Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 1:22 PM
>To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
>Subject: Re:  The end of an empire
>
>
>** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <deadmail> Thu, 25 Sep 2003
>03:39:15 +1000 (EST)
>
>
>> Thanks Microsoft :-|
>> I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to
>> change.
>
>and the hardware companies, and the pay-4-support, and...
>
>come off it, Ian, it's good for the Industry !
>
>
>Right on Voytek, it keeps me employed especially when they don't adhere to
>my virus policies they get hit big time it's been an eventful month for me
>

Replying carefully to keep the atmosphere friendly, I would say there is a
limit to this. After a while my conscience would get at me, and start
nagging that I am feeding on an unethical business model.

I sold and supported a commerical accounting package for 10 years but gave
it away when the company adopted a predatory style of business clearly
borrowed from MS.

Mainly I got tired of repairing data corrupted by Windows crashes, where
the software company had decided not to implement data protection
(available in Btrieve) for the sake of apparent speed. On my OS/2 machine,
the data hardly ever gets corrupted, but it occasionally still happens
because the WBTRCALL module is a bit flaky *and* the VB code is sometimes
not too good. 

I continue to support clients with earlier versions of the package, but am
now developing a DB2 based accounting package of my own.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
___________________

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Windows support: If it breaks you get to keep both pieces.
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**= Email   25 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:45:03 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:   Spam Request

Hi All,
I know I asked for this once before, but I'm in search of Spam again to train up the Bayesian 
filters in SpamAssassin.

Please direct any/all Spam you may have to spam at smedley.info

Promise I'll keep it all this time so that I have a ready collection :)

Cheers,

Paul.

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**= Email   26 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:32:03 +1000
From:  "Stan Pallis" <stathip at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  The end of an empire

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Angelico [mailto:talldad at kepl dot com dot au]
> Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 10:03 PM
> To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
> Subject: Re:  The end of an empire
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:41:32 +1000, Stan Pallis wrote:
>
> Hi Stan.
Hi John,

>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Voytek [mailto:voytek at sbt dot net dot au]
> >Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 1:22 PM
> >To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au
> >Subject: Re:  The end of an empire
> >
> >
> >** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <deadmail> Thu,
> 25 Sep 2003
> >03:39:15 +1000 (EST)
> >
> >
> >> Thanks Microsoft :-|
> >> I know the AV companies love you and wouldnt want you to
> >> change.
> >
> >and the hardware companies, and the pay-4-support, and...
> >
> >come off it, Ian, it's good for the Industry !
> >
> >
> >Right on Voytek, it keeps me employed especially when they
> don't adhere to
> >my virus policies they get hit big time it's been an
> eventful month for me
> >
>
> Replying carefully to keep the atmosphere friendly, I would
> say there is a

I'm not antogonistic :)

> limit to this. After a while my conscience would get at me, and start
> nagging that I am feeding on an unethical business model.
>

I agree there is a limit, for me it's when they no don't listen and they
keep taking a path that causes them more grief, after while you get tired of
bailing them out and leave them to sort it out for themselves.

> I sold and supported a commerical accounting package for 10
> years but gave
> it away when the company adopted a predatory style of business clearly
> borrowed from MS.
>
> Mainly I got tired of repairing data corrupted by Windows
> crashes, where
> the software company had decided not to implement data protection
> (available in Btrieve) for the sake of apparent speed. On my
> OS/2 machine,
> the data hardly ever gets corrupted, but it occasionally still happens
> because the WBTRCALL module is a bit flaky *and* the VB code
> is sometimes
> not too good.
>
> I continue to support clients with earlier versions of the
> package, but am
> now developing a DB2 based accounting package of my own.

All the best with your developement efforts

Stan

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