Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 678
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:03:58 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 06 August 2003
 Number  678
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Subjects for today
 
1   Changed subject line :) : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
2  Re:  Changed subject line :) : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
3   [Fwd: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled] : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re:  [Fwd: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled] : Alan Heiser <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
5   Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
6  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
8  Re:  [Fwd: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled] : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
9  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
11  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>

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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:33:48 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:   Changed subject line :)

Hi Mike

> > Hi Tech Support [& Billing],
> > The following e-mail  fraudulently claiming to be from 
> > "admin at dodo dot com dot au" - arrived in my inbox an hour ago at 4:14 a.m. 2nd 
> > August.
> > Using nslookup I determined from the full headers that it actually 
> > originated from " host254.elpasoelectric dot com" :

I'd be very surprised if your ISP follows it up, as iprimus have had over
1000 !! emails about it so far, ISP's dont have the money nor staff to
chase these up, and figure its the users problem anyway, so we just
send out warning messages, and expect users to complain but not
to do anything about virus package installation, and updates.

And boy, havent I had some great customers today !

Working for Primus has mad me apreciate the OS/2 users whom
really do take a bit more time to understand the basics of things,
gad, I am really starting to had Windows users.

Did I tell the list about the irate father that rang up just after I
started at iPrimus, and threatened to ring Microsurf to ensure
I was fired because I wouldnt help him and his daughter access
her hotmail account ?  I gave him the MS Australia number :-)

PS
No more replys with the bit about tel adm, as each one gets
bounced back to ME saying its undeliverable due to a virus.
Sighhh

Cheers
Ian Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

If I Warp my computer today, can I add a Transporter Room next week?
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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:09:16 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Changed subject line :)

Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Mike
>  
>
>I'd be very surprised if your ISP follows it up, as iprimus have had over
>1000 !! emails about it so far, ISP's dont have the money nor staff to
>chase these up,
>
Some of them aren't even aware when their Authentication/SMTP servers 
have fallen over!  :-D

> and figure its the users problem anyway, so we just
>send out warning messages, and expect users to complain but not
>to do anything about virus package installation, and updates.
>
>And boy, havent I had some great customers today !
>
>Working for Primus has mad me apreciate the OS/2 users whom
>really do take a bit more time to understand the basics of things,
>gad, I am really starting to had Windows users.
>
>Did I tell the list about the irate father that rang up just after I
>started at iPrimus, and threatened to ring Microsurf to ensure
>I was fired because I wouldnt help him and his daughter access
>her hotmail account ?  I gave him the MS Australia number :-)
>  
>

Hi Ian,
Must be very frustrating for you there, working in a "Windows" world.  I 
think I converted a couple of people to our way of OS'ing in the past 
couple of days - one even preferred the look of Warp 4 [with extensions 
of course - OD in particular and XWP] over XP :-)
As the expression goes "Microsoft's Windows just demonstrates the 
Public's insatiable appetite for mediocrity" :-P

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:43:50 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:   [Fwd: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled]

Unfortunately there seems to be less than 5 people interested in meeting
to discuss OS/2 in Sydney. How did the other cities fair ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:06:50 -0400
From: OS/2 Warp Meetup <os2 at meetup dot com>
To: edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au

Important
===================
Unfortunately, less than 5 people voted on a venue, so the
Sydney, Australia OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled this month.
===================

Meetup is growing very fast, so please be patient while more
OS/2 Warp Enthusiasts around Sydney, Australia (and everywhere) 
discover International OS/2 Warp Meetup Day

What you can do now:

1. Check to see if there's a OS/2 Warp Meetup happening this 
month in another city near you:
http://os2.meetup dot com/

2. Help spread the word for next month:
* Tell friends about http://os2.meetup dot com/
* Post flyers around town: http://os2.meetup dot com/flyer/
* Tell good websites about http://os2.meetup dot com/share/

3. Get involved with OS/2 Warp Meetups in other ways while 
waiting for more local OS/2 Warp Enthusiasts.
See http://os2.meetup dot com/plus/

4. Explore http://www.meetup dot com/
There are Meetup Days everywhere on 1000+ topics.
Tell friends and family!

Thanks for your patience!

We hope that you, your friends, your family, and your neighbors 
have good Meetups.

Need help?
Visit http://os2.meetup dot com/help/
(This is an auto-generated email, please do NOT reply to this 
message.)

Your Meetup account settings are at http://my.meetup dot com/
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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:49:42 +1000
From:  Alan Heiser <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  [Fwd: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled]

Only 1 in Brissie - it's a big bad world out there

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:43:50 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Unfortunately there seems to be less than 5 people interested in meeting
>to discuss OS/2 in Sydney. How did the other cities fair ?
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>

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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:39:19 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1

Hello everyone!

Has anybody successfully installed and used the latest release of <subj>,
please?

I downloaded all 19Mb (thank heavens for cable!!) from our local Hobbes
mirror (thanks os2site dot com!!), but I can't get it going.

Yes, I have made a fresh installation as the docs say.

When I cIick on the object I receive the standard OS/2-eCS message box
"Cannot start ..." with the usual 5 options including missing component DLL
(quite likely) and the question: "Do you wish to modify the properties for
the object?"

In CONFIG.SYS I have the following set:
REM *** Mozilla-Firebird ***
SET MOZILLA_HOME=H:\MOZPROFILES
SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=H:\MOZPROFILES\PLUGINS

being the same as for the earlier version 0.6, which still functions
correctly.

There are no path statements relevant to either version.

I will shutdown and reboot just in case... but stay tuned.

After above, no change.

So I retain use of 0.6 version only.

Any help appreciated.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:33:05 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1

There's been a whole string of mails on this subject on either the warpbrowsers or
ecomstation lists (or perhaps both?) John.

The key point is don't try to run either firebird or Thunderbird (the split off mail
client) at the same time as having Mozilla loaded, they clash at the moment. also you
may need additional gcc DLLs that I belive you can download from the Innotek site.

Cheers/2

Ed.

John Angelico wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> Has anybody successfully installed and used the latest release of <subj>,
> please?
>
> I downloaded all 19Mb (thank heavens for cable!!) from our local Hobbes
> mirror (thanks os2site dot com!!), but I can't get it going.
>
> Yes, I have made a fresh installation as the docs say.
>
> When I cIick on the object I receive the standard OS/2-eCS message box
> "Cannot start ..." with the usual 5 options including missing component DLL
> (quite likely) and the question: "Do you wish to modify the properties for
> the object?"
>
> In CONFIG.SYS I have the following set:
> REM *** Mozilla-Firebird ***
> SET MOZILLA_HOME=H:\MOZPROFILES
> SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=H:\MOZPROFILES\PLUGINS
>
> being the same as for the earlier version 0.6, which still functions
> correctly.
>
> There are no path statements relevant to either version.
>
> I will shutdown and reboot just in case... but stay tuned.
>
> After above, no change.
>
> So I retain use of 0.6 version only.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________
>
> PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
> ... ERROR #2720: [ OUT OF TAGLINES, PLEASE ORDER MORE ]

>  

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:19:17 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:33:05 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

Hi Ed.

>There's been a whole string of mails on this subject on either the warpbrowsers or
>ecomstation lists (or perhaps both?) John.

Hmmm, not on either list.

>The key point is don't try to run either firebird or Thunderbird (the split off mail
>client) at the same time as having Mozilla loaded, they clash at the moment. 

Not an issue here.

>Also you may need additional gcc DLLs that I belive you can download from the Innotek site.

Yes, and no.

Got their little package of runtime (25K - nice!) but it wasn't enough. 

Back to Mozilla.Org

Finally found my way to Mozilla 1.5 OS/2 Builds aka Warpzilla
http://www.mozilla dot org/ports/os2/ where there is a link to the larger
package of 2 DLLs. The link is marked as 'C runtime DLLs'
http://download.innotek.de/gccos2/libc01.zip but don't be fussed by the
reference to Mozilla 1.5. It is required for Firebird as well.

These DLLs totalling about 250Kb can be loaded into any suitable place in
your path - mine are in D:\EXTRADLL - and MF061 obediently fires up:
subjectively I notice a little faster on my humble 64Mb machine.

Thanks Ed for your alertness.

Memo to Ian as custodian of os2site dot com/software and Hobbes mirror. It
would be nice to have libc01.zip in with the Firebird entry in Incoming,
wouldn't it? <g>

Now my only deficiency is Java. 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:34:44
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  [Fwd: Your OS/2 Warp Meetup is cancelled]

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:43:50 +1000

> Unfortunately there seems to be less than 5 people interested in meeting 
> to discuss OS/2 in Sydney. How did the other cities fair ?

fwiw, just came across a book, something about 'greatest blunders', and,
OS/2 made (quite substantial) chapter 2.

as I didn't feel like spending A$50 for it, I quickly perused it, it had
quite detailed history of rise and demise of OS/2

other chapters were about Ashton Tate, Phillipe Khan, Ray Noorda, Jim Manzi
(I think) and I forgot the rest

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:42:01 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1

John Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:33:05 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed.
> 
> 
>>There's been a whole string of mails on this subject on either the warpbrowsers or
>>ecomstation lists (or perhaps both?) John.
> 
> 
> Hmmm, not on either list.

Must be ! I can't think where else I have seen it. Perhaps I'll have 
a look back thru my trash folder.

> 
> 
>>The key point is don't try to run either firebird or Thunderbird (the split off mail
>>client) at the same time as having Mozilla loaded, they clash at the moment. 
> 
> 
> Not an issue here.
> 
> 
>>Also you may need additional gcc DLLs that I belive you can download from the Innotek site.
> 
> 
> Yes, and no.
> 
> Got their little package of runtime (25K - nice!) but it wasn't enough. 
> 
> Back to Mozilla.Org
> 
> Finally found my way to Mozilla 1.5 OS/2 Builds aka Warpzilla
> http://www.mozilla dot org/ports/os2/ where there is a link to the larger
> package of 2 DLLs. The link is marked as 'C runtime DLLs'
> http://download.innotek.de/gccos2/libc01.zip but don't be fussed by the
> reference to Mozilla 1.5. It is required for Firebird as well.

Yes these were the DLLs I saw reference to.

> 
> These DLLs totalling about 250Kb can be loaded into any suitable place in
> your path - mine are in D:\EXTRADLL - and MF061 obediently fires up:
> subjectively I notice a little faster on my humble 64Mb machine.
> 
> Thanks Ed for your alertness.
> 
> Memo to Ian as custodian of os2site dot com/software and Hobbes mirror. It
> would be nice to have libc01.zip in with the Firebird entry in Incoming,
> wouldn't it? <g>
> 
> Now my only deficiency is Java. 

  There was also talk about how to get the Java plugin to work with 
Java 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 - I don't think it's possible as yet.

> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ___________________
> 
> PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
> ... Cannibalism Rule 10: Jogger's are considered FAST FOOD!
> 
> 

>  

> 

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:32:42 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:42:01 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>  There was also talk about how to get the Java plugin to work with 
>Java 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 - I don't think it's possible as yet.

Innotek Java is working fine with Mozilla 1.5a here - didn't work with the earlier GCC 
builds.

Goldencode Java doesn't yet have a plugin, but apparently the Innotek OJI plugin can be 
pointed at the install directory for Goldencode Java and it works :)

Cheers,

Paul.

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Date:  Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:07:04 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:42:01 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>
>> Hmmm, not on either list.
>
>Must be ! I can't think where else I have seen it. 

Uh, sorry Ed. Ambiguous statement - I meant that *I* am not there...so I
couldn't peruse the messages. 

>Perhaps I'll have a look back thru my trash folder.

Sorry to cause you trouble. You can now stop diving into that dumpster!!

How come you keep trash? 

{Groan} I know the answer - so you can answer dumb questions from people
like me, right<G>?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or 
talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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