Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 627
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:01:01 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 28 May 2003
 Number  627
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  FP15 and Dialog Boxes : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
2   A batch of seriously bad components is disabling computers around the world : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
3   Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access. : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
4  Re:  FP15 and Dialog Boxes : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
5   How to use more than one Mozilla on the same eCS/os2 system : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
6   PC Update SIG Report for OS/2 May meeting : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
7  Re:  Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access. : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
8  Re:  Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access. : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access. : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
10   L2TP : <djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
11  Re:  L2TP : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>

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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 01:45:53 +1100
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  FP15 and Dialog Boxes

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>>> When you upgraded from FP9, did you make sure to apply the DDPAK 
>>> driver updates to the system?
>>>   
>>
>> Sure did.  I created a bootable CD and installed that on a clean 
>> partition.  Update CD creator won't work without at least fp12, DDpak 
>> 2 &Java 1.1.8, so I have all of that stuff
>>
>>> Are you running with DIMIC?   
>>
>> Never heard of it (or have, just not abreviated)
>>
>>> How much RAM do you have on that current system?
>>>   
>>
>> 223.6Mb
>>
> No problems there! That should be enough for at least a 1GB image with 
> Dynamic In-memory Image compression, with a lot of headroom left.
>
>> It's Definitely fp 12,13,14,15 that have this problem.  I know it's 
>> not a bad installation of colorworks because It was on a seperate 
>> partiton.  All I had to do was create another program object.  It 
>> worked fine before.
>>
>> Cheers
>> G
>>  
>>
> Hi Gavin,
> I thought the problem doesn't exist on FP12, as I'd never encountered 
> it, so went and tried it out - you're right! I updated the old SDD 
> 7.03 drivers to SNAP 213 SE, and still the same. when I setup 
> 1280*1024 canvas it came up  at 60% size, and about the right 40% of that 
> was jet black.  Wow!  I guess as I have always worked on images 
> smaller than screen dimensions, that's the reason I've never 
> encountered it. I know I remember having a "conversation" with a 
> German guy who had problems with Colorworks and SDD on a Matrox card.  
> that was about 6 months ago.
>
> When you look at the superb quality of the artwork and printing in the 
> printed manual, it's amazing, considering what they would have cost to 
> produce, that SPG are still there with their Web Graphics tools on the 
> Darkside, and hadn't gone down the drain.   It would have to be the 
> most expensive software manual ever produced! Will check out the 
> gradient controls.
>
Hi Gavin,
Addendum to that. I just tried out the same test on another FP12 on a 
machine with 8MB of on-board-SiS [shared] AGP  memory and the result was 
again 60% canvas, but no black at all on the canvas, so FP12/15 etc., on 
it's own isn't causing the problem.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 09:33:05 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   A batch of seriously bad components is disabling computers around the world

As discussed at the MelbPc Os2 SIG last night.
Credit to os2hardware email list.

See Toronto Star  website for full story...

-----------------partial quote----------------------------

Smaller than a triple-A battery, these tiny electronic components aren't 
likely to cause serious injury to computer users.
But a faulty capacitor can render a computer useless without warning. 

And they are - by the thousands, if not millions. 
Capacitors in all kinds of electronic circuits seem to be missing some
critical ingredients that keep them from exploding. It's unclear how 
this bad batch of capacitors came to be. Some say it's a case of 
bungled corporate espionage. 

Industry analysts say that something like this was bound to happen in 
such a highly competitive market. 

Take note, link below will wordwrap.
http://www.thestar dot com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1035777852519&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851

Robert Traynor (BobT).
28 May 2003   9:32

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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 12:09:17 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access.

Hi All,

At my the Os2 SIG group (Melbourne PC Users Group - os/2 SIG) last
night I tried to demo the eCS 1.1 Maintenance Tool.

The SIG has purchased our own copy of eCS 1.1 for our own club
machine.

I could not demonstrate the eCS MT as the "powers that be" have our machine
behind a firewall and with an internet lan connection that explicitly
demands a proxy for all HTTP and FTP connections.

Our browsers will only work if we add to their configuration for
manual proxy, specifically:- proxy1.melbpc dot org dot au Port 8080.

What I need to know is, HOW do I tell the eCS MT to use the proxy.?

At the moment, the eCS MT 2.0 recognizes the ecomstation web site,
attempts to download a file and effectively hangs.

If I use a browser with the proxy added, I can go to the ecomstation
site and download anything almost instantly, the other side of the
firewall is directly connected to a internet backbone.

And in case someone asks, I did configure the eCS MT with my download
ecs"name" and ecomstation download password, which I got by attempting
a download from the "Download Software" section, AFTER logging into
the ecomstation dot com site.

And PLEASE don't suggest I contact the "Internet Team" or administrators
of my clubs' Internet setup.  They are a pack of windows users with linux
pretensions and are as useless as tits on a bull.  Besides, if they did
do any changes, eCS 3.0 will have been delivered by the time they get
around to reviewing any "required" changes.

TIA,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
28 May 2003   11:52
MelbPc Os/2 SIG co-convenor.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 16:44:12 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  FP15 and Dialog Boxes

I have a nVidia TNT2 M64 AGP /w 32Mb ram.  My SDD is 7.07 IBM version.  Interesting 
that this problem didn't appear on your 8Mb SiS system.  I wonder if it has something to 
do with my AGP bios settings.  Will try on my sister's computer with has a 3D fx Voodoo 
3000 /w 16Mb ram and see what happens.

Cheers
G

>Hi Gavin,
>Addendum to that. I just tried out the same test on another FP12 on a 
>machine with 8MB of on-board-SiS [shared] AGP  memory and the result was 
>again 60% canvas, but no black at all on the canvas, so FP12/15 etc., on 
>it's own isn't causing the problem.
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>Failed the exam for
>--------------------
>MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
>--------------------
>
>

> 

>

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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 16:49:49 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:   How to use more than one Mozilla on the same eCS/os2 system

Hi All,

Following the MelbPc Os/2 SIG meeting last night where John
demoed the Mozilla FireBird 0.6 for os/2, the following info 
is to enable anyone to be able to use more than one Mozilla 
on the same eCS/os2 system at the same time.!

The info is From:-
http://www.os2bbs dot com/OS2News/Warpzilla.html

You can run multiple versions of Mozilla/Phoenix at the same time, as 
long as you are careful. You must use different profiles for each version, 
and run a little script to start it:

Create a batch file "gofirebird.cmd" and locate it in the same
sub directory as MozillaFireBird.
Note:-  This is from MY installation, change drive letters and
directories to suit YOUR system..

-----------------start gofirebird.cmd---------------------------
 at echo off

SET MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
SET LIBPATHSTRICT=T
SET HOME=D:\home\FireBird
SET MOZILLA_HOME=D:\home\FireBird

SET BEGINLIBPATH=D:\Programs\Firebird;%beginlibpath%'
SET PATH=D:\Programs\Firebird;%PATH%

rem  D:\Programs\Firebird\MozillaFirebird.exe  
MozillaFirebird.exe

-------------------end gofirebird.cmd-------------------------
Create icon on desktop and set the properties to "Start Minimized".

Add the line below to your FIREBIRD  "PREFS.JS" file (beware word wrapping).
Also Note the use of TWO backslash characters is required.

user_pref("browser.bookmarks.file", "D:\\home\\default\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\OptusNet Internet\\8g92ofmf.slt\\bookmarks.html");

The above enables me to use the SAME bookmark file for the IBM Web
Browser, in Mozilla FireBird as well.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, please post your ideas
under the SUBJECT heading above.

More Suggestions people.?

Regards,
BobT.

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 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 17:23:42 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   PC Update SIG Report for OS/2 May meeting

Melbourne PC SIG Meeting Report
To: G Taig Features Editor PC Update
CC: OS/2 SIG Members
Report Date: 28 May 2003
Meeting Date: 27 May 2003
Report by: John Angelico (03) 9544 8792

Numbers for May were down, possibly weather-related.

1. New browser 
Following a pause for setup, which included some struggle with proxy
settings, we introduced the latest browser for OS/2 and eCS:
Mozilla-Firebird.

Slim by recent Mozilla standards, it includes most modern features (tabbed
panels, sidebars, auto-completed sign-ins etc) but has been deliberately
designed as a browser without email, newsgroup or composer functions. It
therefore runs very well on old systems (eg. the SIGs 64Mb RAM, P200 CPU
machine) and will probably go like a scalded cat on any current
well-optioned hardware.

With the History feature plus excellent drag/n/drop to the Desktop,
Firebird is now approaching the level of integration with OS/2 which we
last saw in the original WebExplorer released with Warp 3.

The Mozilla project has now been subdivided into a number of Modules
(Firebird browser, Thunderbird email client, composer, newsgroup reader
etc), and the Mozilla v1.4 just released could be the last all-in-one
browser. The concept now is to release modules which can be mixed/n/matched
to suit individual user needs - an enlargement of the 'plug-ins' idea.

Conclusion: based on first looks, highly recommended

2. Hardware: motherboard warning
Bob Traynor reported on an epidemic of capacitor failures which render
motherboards useless. Full details have been posted to the SIG mailing
list.

3. Backup Strategies
John Angelico outlined some essential points in developing a backup and
data protection strategy. Outline notes will be published shortly on the
SIG website.

4. Tech-Talk 
In the second half of the meeting we discussed full-screen vs windowed
operations especially for Windows software running in a Win-OS2 session,
plus settings to modify the behaviour of sessions to suit particular needs
of programs.

The meeting closed at 9:15pm to try a new eatery nearby.
Conclusion: excellent value-for-money!
 
Next meeting:
June 24th Bootable JFS
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Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 18:42:18 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access.

Hi Bob,

On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:09:17 +1000, Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:
>I could not demonstrate the eCS MT as the "powers that be" have our machine
>behind a firewall and with an internet lan connection that explicitly
>demands a proxy for all HTTP and FTP connections.
>
>Our browsers will only work if we add to their configuration for
>manual proxy, specifically:- proxy1.melbpc dot org dot au Port 8080.
>
>What I need to know is, HOW do I tell the eCS MT to use the proxy.?
Easy - Click Downloads -> Status; check the box that says 'Use proxy for FTP' then enter 
the proxy details.

Hope this helps,

Paul.

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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 19:34:53 +1000 (AEST)
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access.

Thanks Paul,

I missed it.  I did not realize that it was on the "status box"
or that the option window would only appear once you put
the tick in the box that says 'Use proxy for FTP'.

I will test it out next time I am at the club rooms.

I just hope this "option" is not dependant on downloading an
update control config file from the ecomstation site.
I might just take the files d/l to my own system by the eCS MT
and burn them to cd, just in case I need to update the version
of the eCS MT etc currently installed.

Regards,
BobT.

On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:42:18 +0950 (CST), Paul Smedley wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:09:17 +1000, Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:
> >I could not demonstrate the eCS MT as the "powers that be" have our machine
> >behind a firewall and with an internet lan connection that explicitly
> >demands a proxy for all HTTP and FTP connections.
> >
> >Our browsers will only work if we add to their configuration for
> >manual proxy, specifically:- proxy1.melbpc dot org dot au Port 8080.
> >
> >What I need to know is, HOW do I tell the eCS MT to use the proxy.?
> Easy - Click Downloads -> Status; check the box that says 'Use proxy for FTP' then enter 
> the proxy details.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Paul.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au
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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 19:18:33 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  Problem demo-ing eCS MT with network Internet access.

Bob,

On Wed, 28 May 2003 19:34:53 +1000 (AEST), Robert Traynor  (BobT) wrote:

>I missed it.  I did not realize that it was on the "status box"
>or that the option window would only appear once you put
>the tick in the box that says 'Use proxy for FTP'.

I only knew it was there somewhere as I remembered reading a newsgroup post when the 
functionality was added :)

It shouldn't be dependant on any updated control files, as eCSMT uses wget to do all it's 
downloading - all it's doing is passing the proxy settings to wget to allow proxy ftp 
transfers.

Cheers,

Paul.

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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 20:36:07 -1000
From:  <djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au>
Subject:   L2TP

Hi All

What is L2TP and how is it better than PPPOE.

Anything special required for OS/2

Regards

Dennis.

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Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 20:14:57 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  L2TP

Dennis,

On Wed, 28 May 2003 20:36:07 -1000, djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote:
>What is L2TP and how is it better than PPPOE.
Layer 2 ADSL essentially just means that the Telstra authentication servers are cut out of 
the loop and the ISP's are used instead, increasing reliability.  PPPoE or PPPoA are still used 
regardless of L2 or L3.

A much better explanation is here:
http://adsl.internode.on dot net/faq/padsl-l2tp.htm

>Anything special required for OS/2

Layer 2 or Layer 3 ADSL has no effect on OS/2.

I just changed my Internode ADSL to Layer 2 yesterday - working great so far - but I'm 
using a D-Link DSL-504 router.

Cheers,

Paul.

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