Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 624
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:04:04 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 22 May 2003
 Number  624
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  eCS install questions : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
2  Re:  Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
3  Re:  FP15 and Dialog Boxes : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
4   OS/2 Java Corner updated! : Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
5   OS/2 Java Corner updated! : Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
6   OS/2 Java Corner updated! : Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
7   OS/2 Java Corner updated! : Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
8  Re:  Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
9  Re:  Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
10   * Reminder * - Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting : List Admin" <deadmail at os2 dot org dot au>
11   Melbourne PC OS/2 SIG Meeting 27th May : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
12   OS/2UGSA May Meeting : Leigh Bunting <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 01:24:07 +1100
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  eCS install questions

Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Mike
>
>>Do you have a version of OS/2 for PowerPC running?!!!
>>    
>>
>Not anymore, the kernal is to dated. I use AIX on the RS/6000
>and OSX on the G4, both PowerPC's
>  
>
Hi Ian,
Sorry for the delay in acknowledging. Unfortunately the machine I am 
using as my gateway via NAT encountered the HPFSMINI trap problem, and 
I've only now managed to fix it back up again the long way without 
reinstalling eCS 1.1 entry.  Learnt a few things about the new OS 
version that way.
Yes, I'd forgotten that the RS/6000 was PPC-powered. Did they ever get a 
version of StarOffice  for the Mac developed, or does it use the Linux 
version?

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 02:00:28 +1100
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Old Pc's (was eCS install questions)

Leigh Bunting wrote:

>Voytek Eymont wrote:
>
>>I still use 486SL 66 s;
>>-----
>>it still works just as well as the day it was commisioned, and, nothing it
>>does would work any better or faster regardless of the CPU.
>>    
>>
>For the job they are fulfilling, I can understand that.
>
>And my PIII/500 does all I want. What I have difficulty in understanding is what do OS/2 / eCS
>users DO with P4 grunt?
>
>For winblows/games a P4 would be handy/necessity but with our favourite OS what apps do people
>use to soak up the clock cycles of a P4?
>
>I know that I could get through a heck-of-lot more SETI work units than I do now, but I'm not
>prepared to spend the loot just to do that. At the moment, its no great problem to go and have a
>shower or a crap or something while StarOffice fires up.
>
Hi Leigh,
I can't follow the reason that people comment on how slow [& bulky ????? 
huh?] Star Office (I presume the final OS/2 version 5.1A) is.  Here on a 
Celeron 366, and I just used the stopwatch timer in the eComCenter, 
under eCS 1.00; and it's the same under W4FP12+/MCPx; it took just under 
3 seconds from click on the icon to fully loaded and operational! I 
installed every available option for Star Office, and am very pleased 
with it, contrary to what a lot of folks appear to think.  As they say 
YMMV, but not that much!

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 02:16:43 +1100
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  FP15 and Dialog Boxes

Gavin Miller wrote:

>Thanx for all the help guys, but nothing has changed.  I repmod'ed the dll.  The new dll 
>hasn't fixed the problem and I have added the SDD config lines with no result there 
>either.  I have attached a happy snap of the symptoms.
>
>The image contains canvases at 100% (no problem) 90% (first stage of problem to 
>illustrate) and the adjust gradient map to show the dialog problem.  I hope the 
>attatchment gets to you guys.
>  
>
Hi Gavin,
Could you attach those [attachments deleted] items privately, so that I 
can see just what you are referring to. I presume they are only GIF/JPG 
 - not multi-MB size.  I've noticed that if I save screenshots as OS/2 
BMP V2 without RLE encoding and zip them they end up much smaller than 
any GIF/JPG and of course no loss whatsoever in quality.  What size were 
those two patches you mentioned and do you still have the originals you 
could mail me privately?
TIA

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Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 2003 19:28:40 +0200
From:  "Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
Subject:   OS/2 Java Corner updated!

OS/2 Java Corner has been updated!
 
        http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
 
Thanks to numerous contributions from visitors it now contains well over 160 entries, each with its version no., the Java version required, a short description and its url, sorted in the categories: 
 
        - Java for OS/2 and eCS
        - FAQs, tutorials and books
        - Java resources and software sites
        - Communication
        - Development
        - Games
        - Graphic and image
        - Multimedia
        - Scientific
        - Various
  
All applications have been reported to run well with IBM Java 1.1.8, 1.3.x or 1.4.x for OS/2 and eComStation. For your convenience, all new entries are in bold and red.
 
Please feel free to send me your additions, corrections, wishes or other comments!
 
Kind regards,

--
Roger Troost
Polarbar / eComStation
Visit OS/2 Java Corner at http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 2003 19:34:58 +0200
From:  "Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
Subject:   OS/2 Java Corner updated!

OS/2 Java Corner has been updated!
 
        http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
 
Thanks to numerous contributions from visitors it now contains well over 160 entries, each with its version no., the Java version required, a short description and its url, sorted in the categories: 
 
        - Java for OS/2 and eCS
        - FAQs, tutorials and books
        - Java resources and software sites
        - Communication
        - Development
        - Games
        - Graphic and image
        - Multimedia
        - Scientific
        - Various
  
All applications have been reported to run well with IBM Java 1.1.8, 1.3.x or 1.4.x for OS/2 and eComStation. For your convenience, all new entries are in bold and red.
 
Please feel free to send me your additions, corrections, wishes or other comments!
 
Kind regards,

--
Roger Troost
Polarbar / eComStation
Visit OS/2 Java Corner at http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 2003 19:41:15 +0200
From:  "Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
Subject:   OS/2 Java Corner updated!

OS/2 Java Corner has been updated!
 
        http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
 
Thanks to numerous contributions from visitors it now contains well over 160 entries, each with its version no., the Java version required, a short description and its url, sorted in the categories: 
 
        - Java for OS/2 and eCS
        - FAQs, tutorials and books
        - Java resources and software sites
        - Communication
        - Development
        - Games
        - Graphic and image
        - Multimedia
        - Scientific
        - Various
  
All applications have been reported to run well with IBM Java 1.1.8, 1.3.x or 1.4.x for OS/2 and eComStation. For your convenience, all new entries are in bold and red.
 
Please feel free to send me your additions, corrections, wishes or other comments!
 
Kind regards,

--
Roger Troost
Polarbar / eComStation
Visit OS/2 Java Corner at http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
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Date:  Wed, 21 May 2003 19:42:10 +0200
From:  "Roger Troost" <rjj.troost at hccnet.nl>
Subject:   OS/2 Java Corner updated!

OS/2 Java Corner has been updated!
 
        http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
 
Thanks to numerous contributions from visitors it now contains well over 160 entries, each with its version no., the Java version required, a short description and its url, sorted in the categories: 
 
        - Java for OS/2 and eCS
        - FAQs, tutorials and books
        - Java resources and software sites
        - Communication
        - Development
        - Games
        - Graphic and image
        - Multimedia
        - Scientific
        - Various
  
All applications have been reported to run well with IBM Java 1.1.8, 1.3.x or 1.4.x for OS/2 and eComStation. For your convenience, all new entries are in bold and red.
 
Please feel free to send me your additions, corrections, wishes or other comments!
 
Kind regards,

--
Roger Troost
Polarbar / eComStation
Visit OS/2 Java Corner at http://home.hccnet.nl/rjj.troost/japp4os2.htm
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 08:33:01 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Old Pc's (was eCS install questions)

On Thu, 22 May 2003 02:00:28 +1100, Mike O'Connor wrote:

>Hi Leigh,
>I can't follow the reason that people comment on how slow [& bulky ????? 
>huh?] Star Office (I presume the final OS/2 version 5.1A) is.  Here on a 
>Celeron 366, and I just used the stopwatch timer in the eComCenter, 
>under eCS 1.00; and it's the same under W4FP12+/MCPx; it took just under 
>3 seconds from click on the icon to fully loaded and operational! I 
>installed every available option for Star Office, and am very pleased 
>with it, contrary to what a lot of folks appear to think.  As they say 
>YMMV, but not that much!

Hi Mike.

How much RAM do you have installed?

I have a P166 (Cyrix) machine with 64Mb, lots of other apps open, and SO
takes over a minute to load, plus the time to open up a document - even if
I have selected SO from the document's Open menu list. 

You are quite right YMMV, but here it's by quite a lot!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 09:40:32 +1100
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  Old Pc's (was eCS install questions)

John Angelico wrote:

>On Thu, 22 May 2003 02:00:28 +1100, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>>Hi Leigh,
>>I can't follow the reason that people comment on how slow [& bulky ????? 
>>huh?] Star Office (I presume the final OS/2 version 5.1A) is.  Here on a 
>>Celeron 366, and I just used the stopwatch timer in the eComCenter, 
>>under eCS 1.00; and it's the same under W4FP12+/MCPx; it took just under 
>>3 seconds from click on the icon to fully loaded and operational! I 
>>installed every available option for Star Office, and am very pleased 
>>with it, contrary to what a lot of folks appear to think.  As they say 
>>YMMV, but not that much!
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Mike.
>
>How much RAM do you have installed?
>
>I have a P166 (Cyrix) machine with 64Mb, lots of other apps open, and SO
>takes over a minute to load, plus the time to open up a document - even if
>I have selected SO from the document's Open menu list. 
>
I find it much faster to open it directly, then click on the document in 
the SO default "work" folder!

>You are quite right YMMV, but here it's by quite a lot!
>  
>
Hi John,
I was lucky enough to be able to buy 2*256MB DIMMS  at  AU$69 quite a while 
back, which might explain why this eCS 1.00 machine brings up SO 5.1A 
quickly - IBM WB+Mail+NG was very active at the same time, plus NetBios 
and a bunch of other apps running.  One each of those 256MB DIMMs went 
into each system.  This machine currently has 384 total (8MB shared  for 
SiS onboard Video), but the other 2 machines have 256MB total.  Just 
went and checked out there and loadtime for SO to full desktop [no 
documents opened] was 7-8  seconds with W4FP12 and still ~170MB free 
RAM.  Under  MCP2 same machine [566 Celeron] it was circa 5 seconds for 
same, less remaining free RAM though.  The drives are [here] 6.4GB 
Fujitsu ATA-66, UDMA4 and on the others 4GB Seagate Medalist ATA-33, 
UDMA2 and Maxtor 20GB ATA-100/5400 UDMA5. My motherboards are all that I 
can afford - [upgrade kits], but I try to get the best drives available 
in my price range [DSP], by shopping around. I'm only running in 64K 
colours - not 16 Million, if that makes a difference.
Although I have become accustomed to Netscape/IBM Browser over the 
years, I'm actually very impressed with the SO browser - it's very fast 
and intelligent, yet barely rates a mention in most SO discussions.

I guess if I had one of these cutting edge P4 or Athlon XP+ machines 
with 15,000 RPM SCSI, it'd really fly!!  Doubt I'll ever see the day though.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 15:00:00 +1000 (EDT)
From:  "List Admin" <deadmail at os2 dot org dot au>
Subject:   * Reminder * - Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting 

Date:   Tuesday, 27th May 2003
Time:  6:30PM - 9:30PM
Place:  Melbourne PC Group
           Victoria, Australia.

With Backup strategies, presented by John Angelico.

The Monthly Meeting of Melbourne OS/2 SIG 
Normally held the fourth Tuesday of each month.
Except December ! ie, this is the last meeting for
the year, so be there or be hexagonal.
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 16:43:41 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:   Melbourne PC OS/2 SIG Meeting 27th May

Hello everyone on the Australian OS/2 list.

Announcing next week's meeting of the Melbourne SIG to be held at 
Melbourne PC Rooms 
27 Wells St, Sth Melbourne
Commencing 6:30pm

News & Views - latest items of interest in the world of PC

Backup Strategies: John Angelico
Why protect your data?
Disaster recovery and the onosecond time-slice
What to protect and how to store it
Available software & hardware

Tech-Talk: Bob Traynor on eCS 1.1 installation problems

Free Java - continuous downloads available from the kitchenette!

Close: 9:00pm

Eatery: new venue, closer to our meeting room. 

Advance notice of June Meeting: Bootable JFS by Ian Manners
Don't know what this means? Come along and find out! 
You do know? Then come and see latest developments on this topic from one
of the world-wide team of beta-testers

See you there!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 17:59:46 +0830
From:  Leigh Bunting <vh_gdn at internode.on dot net>
Subject:   OS/2UGSA May Meeting

A note to anyone in SA (other than OS/2UGSA Members) about our meeting
on the Tuesday 27th May from around 7.30pm at the Velocette Motor Cycle
Clubrooms, corner of Drayton and Third St, Bowden.

Ed Durrant from Sydney (brought in at tremendous expense) will be giving
a presentation of eCS - if his download of it last night went according
to plan ;-)

Leigh Bunting
Secretary

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